Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => Other Health Discussion => Topic started by: Kalinka on July 13, 2019, 10:18:18 AM
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Before the massage I had had four and a half days mouth pain-free for the first time in five years. Later that day, it started again and has been getting worse for over a week.
The massage therapist didn't use a lot of pressure as she knows I can't tolerate it, and I told her about my mouth, though she'd never heard of the condition. Afterwards I felt wiped out, but I was expecting that. I don't really like massage but thought it might help a tight area in my back.
I can't see anything in massage contraindications that would explain this, so am mystified. Has anyone experienced anything similar?
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Did she massage your head, neck or facial muscles?
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Maybe it upset your hormones, i had this yeas ago, Dr didn't know what caused it, but i have recently read that is connected with the menopause,
In fact i think i have seen something about it on mm
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Did she massage your head, neck or facial muscles?
She did a bit on my neck. I'm supposed to have another one in three weeks' time, and she was talking about massaging my facial muscles - which sounds like a bad idea. Mainly she worked on my upper back and shoulders.
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Maybe it upset your hormones, i had this yeas ago, Dr didn't know what caused it, but i have recently read that is connected with the menopause,
In fact i think i have seen something about it on mm
I'm several years post-menopause, though I know it can be a symptom of it. For me it happened after dental treatment.
Did you recover from your mouth problem?
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I read that as 'bit my neck' :-\ ...... need to clean my glasses?
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I read that as 'bit my neck' :-\ ...... need to clean my glasses?
That would have been a very unusual massage!!
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Would have answered your question ;)
I would hold off on massage and speak to the dentist?
However: what do you use in your toothpaste? There is a product which can cause burning mouth, when I use paste which includes it - chocolate, butter, milk, causes intense burning which lasts for ages. SLS?
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Would have answered your question ;)
I would hold off on massage and speak to the dentist?
However: what do you use in your toothpaste? There is a product which can cause burning mouth, when I use paste which includes it - chocolate, butter, milk, causes intense burning which lasts for ages. SLS?
I've used SLS-free toothpaste since it began, but it has made no difference. I will put off the massage - I don't even like it as I dislike being face down.
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Kalinka,yes it seemed to resolve on its own from what i remember i am post meno too, and was at the time,have you googled the cause?
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Kalinka,yes it seemed to resolve on its own from what i remember i am post meno too, and was at the time,have you googled the cause?
At the hospital where I eventually ended up they said that no one really knows the cause, hardly anyone gets better, and there's no point trying to do anything about it. I've read more sense here than I heard in hours of CBT.
The hospital doctor I saw initially was encouraging, prescribed Nortriptyline and Lidocaine ointment and said she thought it would sort itself out. About a month later I had to go to a group session in the same department of the same hospital, where we were given the complete opposite information - hardly anyone recovers, etc.etc. The negativity was psychologically very damaging, and up to that point I'd been starting to feel a bit better. If I hadn't gone to the session and the subsequent CBT, they'd have discharged me.
For me it was caused by the dentist starting a root canal treatment, grinding the tooth down until there was a tiny bit left, which was tearing my tongue to shreds. She said that she would have to leave it like that for three months before completing the treatment, though I went back twice and explained the problem. I changed to a different dental practice, where they did complete the treatment and crowned the tooth, but by then the pain had spread to other areas of the mouth.
Sorry, that's quite long!
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That's awful Kalinka, I hope you get relief soon, despite what you've been told. x
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That's awful Kalinka, I hope you get relief soon, despite what you've been told. x
Thank you. It was a very bizarre experience!
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Could you have ended up with some nerve damage maybe from the dental work?
For my burning mouth, zinc honestly helps me. When it comes back (which is does eventually) a few days of zinc and it's gone again. I have no idea if it's a coincidence or not but the first time it didn't start to ease until then. I had read that zinc deficiency could be a cause, so that's the reason I gave zinc a try. I actually used the quick dissolving tables because that's what I had on hand.
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Could you have ended up with some nerve damage maybe from the dental work?
For my burning mouth, zinc honestly helps me. When it comes back (which is does eventually) a few days of zinc and it's gone again. I have no idea if it's a coincidence or not but the first time it didn't start to ease until then. I had read that zinc deficiency could be a cause, so that's the reason I gave zinc a try. I actually used the quick dissolving tables because that's what I had on hand.
Well, I didn't have an injection at any point, which I think is what what would cause damage; although that's a word that the psychologist didn't allow us to use. We couldn't refer to pain either, but had to say symptoms.
The local consultant I saw did mention zinc and vitamin C. I take a multi that contains zinc, but it might be worth trying additional zinc. Thanks for the suggestion; it's always worth going back to look at things again.
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Have you tried oral thrush treatment ,it might help?
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Have you tried oral thrush treatment ,it might help?
I haven't, thank you. I think the hospital's "nothing will help" message has brainwashed me!
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What the hospital said is rubbish, i have had no problem since that time
I hope yours doesn't last too long and get it sorted
Mine was nothing connected with dentists,it just started for no reason i know of
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What the hospital said is rubbish, i have had no problem since that time
I hope yours doesn't last too long and get it sorted
Mine was nothing connected with dentists,it just started for no reason i know of
It's encouraging to come across people who have recovered.
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I remember reading somewhere that VB12 deficiency could cause burning mouth ,also check your iron, i have an overload of iron, and that could have been a factor in my case
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Oh thanks Birdy i will have a look, i am a member on facebook of a couple of Haemochromatosis groups, as i do have it, but not as badly affected as some ,
HH can cause a lot of weird things, and i only found out by being tested for anaemia, Drs don't test for it as a matter of routine in full count blood tests, so lots of people have it but don't know
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I remember reading somewhere that VB12 deficiency could cause burning mouth ,also check your iron, i have an overload of iron, and that could have been a factor in my case
There was an Inside Health (Radio 4) quite recently that covered having too much iron.
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Hello Kalinka.
I assume you have been tested for Sjorgens which causes the salivary glands to dry out. Plus vital B12 as mentioned is often accompanied by sores at the corners of the mouth. I think steroids can also cause drying so I wonder if any of this applies to you? Years ago I developed oral thrush because I was taking steroids and gargling with salt water at the same time.
I'm sure you have considered everything but I thought all the above was all worth a mention.
I hope you find a solution soon and wishing you well.
K.
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I get flu-like symptoms after deep tissue massage. I read stuff about toxins being released but i don't buy it to be honest. I think it's more likely a release of lactic acid from the muscles.
I felt really awful for days after a hot stone massage last year, but this time it just felt as if I'd been exerting myself to an unusual extent!
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Hello Kalinka.
I assume you have been tested for Sjorgens which causes the salivary glands to dry out. Plus vital B12 as mentioned is often accompanied by sores at the corners of the mouth. I think steroids can also cause drying so I wonder if any of this applies to you? Years ago I developed oral thrush because I was taking steroids and gargling with salt water at the same time.
I'm sure you have considered everything but I thought all the above was all worth a mention.
I hope you find a solution soon and wishing you well.
Actually I haven't been tested for anything. At the hospital the line was that there was no point doing any tests. The more I read here the odder my treatment sounds.
I haven't been taking steroids and as a non meat-eater for several decades, take a B12 supplement - perhaps I'm not taking enough.
Thank you for the ideas.
K.
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That sounds a frightening experience. There are two other drugs that the hospital I went to use, which are Gabapentin and Pregabelin, for nerve pain. Both are really powerful, and I avoided being prescribed them - perhaps not a good idea - I think the hospital is not too keen on prescribing them anyway. They're not anti-depressants, though. (I think that's right).
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I was given Gabapentin for Shingles, they made me dizzy, so i never took any more,
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Hello Kalinin,
I just caught up with your post re burning tongue/mouth.
I hope this may give you some hope, I had burning tongue for some time, started about 4 years ago, also sometimes felt like my throat was closing. GP's could find no cause and I was never offered anything for it, one GP did say she thought it was due to peri.
Forward about 3 years and I one day noticed it was not there, it does still pop back every now and then, but not to the same level.
The burning tongue has since been replaced by buzzing/aching legs.
I live in hope that one day this will also pass.
Hope this helps and that you are feeling better❤️