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Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: Turkish delight on April 07, 2019, 09:59:25 AM
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Hi team!
I'm off to my GP tmrw and just in case they don't have a clue on standard effective dose for vagifem for VA I want to know my oinions...wink!
So, what is the standard dose mg or dose you found works, and for how long/ many days etc?
I'm going to ask for SYLK or YES also for the outer bits of my bits. Any advice on the dose that works for you?
I know there are patient leaflets with these meds but quite often the word on the street by real users is different to what the literature says.
Any help would be golden.
Thanks girls.
TD
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Hi TD. I find Monday, Wednesday and Friday is okay for me but I know a lot of ladies use every other day after the two week load
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Thanks hun!
Are they always 10mg dose?
And is it ok to use Vagifem on the Utrogestan phase of my cycle? As I use those vaginally also.
TD
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They are 10mcg no 10mg.
Every other night or more if needed. 😊
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TD. It's a 2 week loading dose first which is every night.iim fairly new to it but I've done the loading dose and am now using it every other night but my doc doesnt know that.yet!! Some docs are fine with more frequent than twice a week but mine is a bit of a stickler.
Have you seen maryjane thread about it?
I use estriol cream for the outside bits and alternate with "yes".
My GP said yes products are not available here on prescription. It might be different where you are. I bought some from the well known high street chemists beginning with an S. I think you can get it online. I find the yes VM lovely to use.
Good luck. Let us know how you get on xx
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MayB read our threads on vaginal atrophy [there's also a book written by a Member] ;)
Atrophy mimics urine infection-type symptoms really really well >:( i.e. the need to pee little and often. Add dryness and soreness. Simply ask for treatment, don't be put off by 'you're not old enough' or 'it's a urine infection' - Yes and Slyc are brought from the Companies I believe not by prescription :-\
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I have to use Vagifem every morning otherwise I start getting UTIs x
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4 me it was like repeated urine infection-type symptoms >:( - like razor blades up there :o
Ovestin1mg helps enormously, used every 3/4 nights through the week after a 2 week nightly load. Sometimes I need Nurofen if the bladder feels irritated which it does sometimes after a dose [delivered by applicator].
Urine infections can only be diagnosed by a fresh sample being sent to a Lab., a dip stick in the Surgery doesn't tell much at all ::) but is often what 'they' go on ....... resist antibiotics ;-)
Let us know how you get on!
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I have to use it every day, one of the good GP's at my surgery, think she has now left :( said she had no problem with her ladies being on 5X a week as that was equivalent to the dose before they changed them to 10mcg.
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It was 25 initially.
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Wowee thanks girls, such great answers. I have it all in my head now :D
CLKD What you said re atrophy mimics UTI really hit home and came together for me. I am seeing Doc tmrw and will stand my ground.
I'm even going to bring in a fresh urine sample bcz although what I'm going to describe to her will sound like a UTI I'm 99.9 % sure it's not. I have my own 10 parameter dip strips, and have tested my pee this morning It's clear. I've only ever had 2 UTI's both last year a month apart caused by low estrogen.
Thought that SYLK is available on the NHS bcz it says that on their web page, have a looksee. Link under here
https://sylk.co.uk/article/health-professionals/
And "yes"
https://www.yesyesyes.org/blog/yes-vm-nhs/
TD
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I got prescribed Sylk by Nhs then after that I bought my own x
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TD. Have just taken a screenshot of the info in that link to show my gp who said yes products are not on prescription. Thank you.
Have you seen maryjane's post linking to her latest podcast on VA.?
If not. Give it a listen.
Good luck with the appointment and let us know how you get on.xxxxx
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Thanks girls
Just going out the door.
How often do i apply yes vm? Cz need to get enough from gp ina mo.
Thanksy
TD
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Probably too late for your appointment Turkish Delight but for anyone reading and who doesn't know - just to be correct re dose - there used to be TWO doses available - the 10 mcg and the 25 mcg so they did not reduce the dose as such - just discontinued the higher dose. The driver for this was to use the "lowest effective dose" and was based on a study that showed statistical significance for effectiveness at the lower dose for somewhere between 60 and 70 % of the participants in the trial (from memory!). This is of course nonsense because what happenes to the women for whom there was no significant effectiveness? The study also showed that better results were obtained from te higher dose! This is recognised (that there are women for whom 10 mcg twice a week is insufficient) by knowledgeable GPs and docs and also in the NICE Guidelines which says the amount can be increased (with specialist input I think?). It's also nonsnese because the Estring which is still available and licensed delivers 7 mcg per day which is equivalnet o the old dose so the whole thing is absurd!
Good luck Turkish Delight!
Hurdity x
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Thank you Hurdity, you are our fountain of knowledge.
It is absurd, and a minefield if your a newb like me and Docs don't have the foggiest either...I'm rolling my eyes now...
Couldn't get an apmnt with GP this morning...meh! It's a walk in clinic and was chock-a-block.
Will try my luck later in the week though, they can't hold me back now, I'm on a VA roll.
Tc Yep listened to MJ's podcast, great stuff, she's doing it for the girls.
SJ What was the right dose for you out of interest?
TD
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Practice Nurse then?
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Hi chicks (Easter is on the way yay!)
Just back from seeing yet another previously unknown female Doc at my surgery.
Got me some Vagifem & "yes VM" whoop whoop!
Had to have a speculum up there which isn't ideal is it....ever! Especially when you present with dryness as an issue :/
All things considered, it was a fair enough trade-off, and I'm impressed that she cared enough to check for other stuff like ulcers or thrush or whatever else she thought she might see up there.
I did take a urine sample in to prove that I wasn't crying wolf, but that my wolf was is crying...ouch...help me pleeease...
Needing to dash to the loo more and more each day so fingers and legs definitely crossed it'll work for me.
Doc gave me the yes pre-filled syringes, should I get the tube next time?
TD
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Well done and good luck. Keep posting
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Vagifem has made such a difference to me.....After umpteen antibiotic prescriptions for uti (never grew any bacteria from specimens sent off for testing) and two cystoscopies and two years of daily urinary pain and discomfort. I now do fine with 2x 10 mcg twice a week but this might be because I've been on other HRT for a long time. It was annoying when they discontinued the 25 mcg dosage but my GP just changed the dosage to 20 twice a week and I didn't notice the difference. They seem quite laid back at my practice about increasing the dose as needed if there was a flare up. Best of luck.
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Yes that was what my doc did roseandthorn - in fact wrote to me telling me that the 25 mcg had been discontinued and just doubled up my prescription - now seem to get unlimited Vagifem to compensate - it always seems to let me re-order whenever I go onlline!
Good news Turkish Delight - hope it does the trick for you. Have never used moisturisers - Yes and the like so can't comment there. If you can save on plastic waste and still do it comfortably then I would go for the tube and washable applicator....
Hurdity x
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Thanks Herdwick, roseandthorn, and Hurdity.
I thought same re plastic waste, I'm all for saving a plastic tree as they say so will get the tube next time.
I was quite shocked when the Doc just handed me the script with "yes" actually on it I didn't want to risk it by complaining that it wasn't the tube.
Hurdity I don't know how you have got by without any moisturisers/lube, well done to your vagina. I've been needing lube for the past 3 years during sex only though.
So do I put the Vagifem in the same place as the Utro? Far up as poss? I haven't picked them up from chemist yet so just getting ahead with info. I guess I will start with 1x10mcg for 2 weeks, not 2x10mcg for loading dose? Doc didn't say. Or say much in general actually, she was almost mute all the way through lol!
TD
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You will definitely need to do the two week load. As to how high up some ladies put it in as far as possible others low down. I have switched to low down as I find this is better for me. I am sure some other ladies will be along soon with advice
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You will definitely need to do the two week load. As to how high up some ladies put it in as far as possible others low down. I have switched to low down as I find this is better for me. I am sure some other ladies will be along soon with advice
I have experimented with inserting as far as possible and with having it lower down. Inconclusive so far as to one being better than the other.
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If you've got time to trawl through the threads on Vagifem I'm sure at some point someone posted or linked an article that advised placing the tablet about two thirds in rather than high up. I usually do that now. Too close to the cervix seemed to cause a tiny bit of spotting but that may just be me!
I haven't had any spotting so far.
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I don't really monitor how far up I place the tablet. But what I do remember is that it took time for the pain and symptoms to subside.... it wasn't instantaneous, but eventually seems to have produced a lasting benefit.
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Hello ladies Ive been on ovestin for 3 months now ,2 week load then every other day (did try to drop it to 2 days ) how lon g would you say before you really noticed a difference xxx
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From the 'yes' product website:
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Hello. FOF. I have been on Ovestin for 6 months. I had cystitis last Sept after coming off hrt for pmb. Then had uti symptoms after that. I did the 2 week load then alternate nights . After 2 months and struggling my gp suggested a month using nightly then back to alternate. Did this and just about getting there after 6 months but still have flare ups and scared to have sex. I am not ready for a longer gap between using. On the other nights I use Boots moisturiser gel. It's a difficult condition to get on top of.
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Thank you suzysunday that gives me hope that ive got to keep going im just so sore still ,cant walk very far ,or sit for very long burning ect the only thing that has improved is less frequency in going the loo .
My GP did mention systemic hrt also but i feel that being post menopausal 3 years ive got over the worst of my hot flushes ,migraines ,joint pain mood swings ( didnt click this was all menopause ) so really wanted the viginal estrogen to sort my VA out as ive been reading loads on here and Hrt isnt easy to get right xx
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Poor you, it sounds bad. I was like that when first diagnosed and after 3 months on local hrt I went on systemic tibolone. It did help everything a lot including VA but after pmb from the tibolone and biopsy and stress, although given all clear I was so frightened. So I am reluctant to try systemic again, lime you say it is hard to get right. But many on here say they need systemic as well as local for VA. I am going to plod on and it may take a year to feel ok. These are hard decisions to make and it can get depressing. All the best!
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Thank you suzysunday that gives me hope that ive got to keep going im just so sore still ,cant walk very far ,or sit for very long burning ect the only thing that has improved is less frequency in going the loo .
My GP did mention systemic hrt also but i feel that being post menopausal 3 years ive got over the worst of my hot flushes ,migraines ,joint pain mood swings ( didnt click this was all menopause ) so really wanted the viginal estrogen to sort my VA out as ive been reading loads on here and Hrt isnt easy to get right xx
I am 56 and 4/5 years post meno. I have been using Vagifem for 7 months but have just started systemic to see if it adds to the Vagifem but also to try and relieve muscular/joint pain and prevent osteoporosis.
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Hello ladies, I am new to this site so excuse me if I am in the wrong area. I have had VA for 2years now and like many of you have had many doctors tell me different things! I am currently on vagifem 3X week and HRT after trying DHEA suppositories for a few months. The DHEA was ok but I think the vagifem is better for me, so very hard to tell sometimes😩 I live in Canada so not sure if I can buy all the vaginal moisturizers here but will look for them when I visit my daughter in Surrey in May. My gynaecologist (who specializes in Meno) tells me that 3 pills weekly is enough and to use coconut oil as a lube. However my pelvic floor physio therapist informed me today that she was at a conference recently and the speaker said “why is it that doctors think that 2X week is ok when our hormones work daily?) I also read through all of the pages of the “Burning Club†as that rears it ugly head sometimes!! I just wanted to let you know that this site is wonderful and I have learned so much and from reading through posts, keep up the fantastic work💕
So I guess in a nutshell we are all different and it takes alot of trial and error with what will work the best. My life changed drastically 2years ago and I am slowly learning how to live with my new normal, people dont always understand when you tell them the symptoms especially the feeling of needing to pee 24/7. Only those with VA know and I am learning there are way more than we realize,
God Bless us all XX
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Lovely post Pookie x
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Thanks for your post Pookie
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Yes spookiest this VA is something that can change your life, it has for me literally over night nearly two and a half years now, some days worse than others...sometimes it even feels like it's gone!! Silly me 😉
Us ladies do go through it but things could be so much worse really...it's the only was to deal with it all xxx
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I meant pooky not spookiest ::) my meno brain 😊 Xx
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Or predictive text ;)
:welcomemm: Pookie1959 - we have weather thread - do let us know whether you still have feet of snow ;).
If you feel that your vagina requires nightly Vagifem then try it for a couple of weeks to see if you get benefit. Love the quote: Hormones work daily : :thankyou:
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I am 3 years post memo now, my only menopause symptom has been the VA, apart from some palpitations, which started 4 years before my last period. I have had control of the VA for about 2 years now but to do that I have to use Vagifem daily and I am also on systemic HRT, 3 pumps of Oestrogel, so quite a high dose.
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I really don't want systemic hrt for reasons mentioned earlier, but then I get doubts that the local will be enough. I hate this condition! Aaargh!
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I did a 3 week loading dose instead of two. I did it off my own back as I was told 2 weeks. I'm now on every other night with estriol outside. The thing is we are told it doesnt just add moisture but helps the body to increase natural lubrication which is why it is favoured over "moisturisers" which just add superficial lube but .I dont feel it's doing that. I'm not as dry as I was but I dont feel I "produce" any lubrication myself. Even when "excited" and I have no natural healthy discharge..I know it's a treatment for life but whilst you are using it eastrogen therapy is supposed to not just replace moisture but get the cells working again and just dont understand how the eastrogen I'm on (systemic and local) isnt encouraging my body to do it's own thing.its like my vagina isnt getting the message.
Having said that I'm having a absorption problems with the systemic and It's only been almost 5 weeks on vagifem (i switched from estriol inside) so maybe I'm expecting too much too soon. Or maybe I have lost the benefit of the loading dose by not continuing with every day. It's so upsetting.
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Trial and Error then. If you feel symptoms are bothersome, up the dose as well as taking a pain relief.
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Possibly stellajane. I have never had an issue with natural lubrication before, a bit like you quite the opposite. But it disappeared overnight
I just feel like the local E should be working to help me regain some of that but if you say systemic has worked in that way for you it gives me hope.i just need to get my eastrogen up.
My whole body is dry from inside out.
I just cant seem to absorb eastrogen. I'm on one 100 and half a 75 patch now and it's like I'm on nothing meanwhile getting worse and worse.
And the docs dont know why I'm not absorbing. It's so depressing.
Thank you for your reply and for sharing your experience with me. X
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Someone asked about placement of Vagifem - I was advised by a meno clinic nurse to alternate high & low as it has a very localised effect & many women find they are sorest just inside, so the low placement can really help with this. Maybe experiment to see what works for you.
Tc - I'm like you - topical alone, even at 5 a week Vagifem + external Estriol is not enough. Some of us do need systemic as well. If you are having probs absorbing from patches, have you tried Oestrogel or Sandrena? Also wonder whether you think it might be Sjogren's? You say you are dry all over. Perhaps worth asking GP about that?
P.S. Ah - I now see from another post you have tried the gel. Sorry to know that was hard to get into your system too. I know oral HRT is considered less desirable for the risk profile, but you know what I'm going to say here - have you tried that to see whether you get any more oestrogen from it?
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Hi team!
Just a quick question.
What about sex and Vagifem? Do you have to wait any amount of time before having penetrative sex?
I've read the patient info leaflet from back to front and can't see any guidelines on it.
Should I be worried about my husband getting oestrogen on his bits if you get me?
TD
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Insert afterwards ;)
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Right lol!
Someone mentioned having Vagifem in the morning though bcz you have Utro at night before bed, that's when I have Utro.
Is this a non-issue or does it matter?
TD
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Hi everyone! I haven't been on here for a while as everything has been pretty stable with my hrt and running smoothly, but have logged on today and am so pleased to have seen this thread!
I went back to the GP to ask about increasing my vagifem dose (currently on 10mcg twice a week and have been on it for three years with systemic femseven sequi 50 patches) as I have been feeling a bit sore and dry again and had a small sore "split, in the skin, as if the Vagifem dose isn't quite effective as it was.
Basically, a few weeks ago I repeated the loading dose over two weeks which sorted out all my issues of soreness/skin split and dryness and also irritable bladder, but when I then went back to the twice weekly maintenance dose it didn't seem to be working as well.
Anyway, I went to the Gp today who started off with "why are you on patches AND Vagifem anyway? You shouldn't be on both!!" My heart sank. I thought, oh great! Here we go again, she's going to try to take me off one of the treatments. And then she started giving me a very long, scary lecture on the risks of hrt again(I get this from every gp I see literally every time I visit the surgery about something meno/hrt related. I keep saying it's not as if I WANT to be on bloody HRT! I have to be or the night sweats/flushes/joint pains/atrophy makes life unbearable). I recently did a "trial without" hrt patches, but had to go back on them again after a few weeks.
Anyway, the gp then proceeded to tell me she wasn't up to date with meno issues and needed to read up about it. She supplied me with more Vagifem and told me to basically do what I thought was best with it. And also examined me, said she couldn't see any other issues/visible skin problems other than a bit of redness, but prescribed me a steroid cream to use. And also gave me a swab to use on myself to take a low vaginal swab on monday. I just got home and my head is spinning with it all!! I started doubting myself, and wondering if it was ok to be on vagifem and patches at the same time...and if other people do increase the dose from 10mcg btwice a week, although I felt sure that I had read that on here before. Glad to have found this thread. I'm worried about this prescription for steroid cream. Nothing ever seems to be straightforward with gp appointments for meno stuff does it? I'm starting to actually dread making gp appointments now bcause I feel like it is such a battle to be heard and understood and to find someone who is up to date with it all xx
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Why hasn't the GP got herself up to date :bang: :bang: :bang: the message simply is NOT getting out there :beat:
You do what suits you to get relief. 'vagifem' is issued in a lower dose now than previously, i.e. down to 10 rather than 25 which is why some need nightly use! Your GP needs a :kick: >:(
If you don't have issues down there don't use a steroid cream! I was given one when I had 4 weeks radiotherapy treatment on the breast and told to use a pea-sized over the area that looked sun-burnt. I would speak with a Pharmacist next week about this particular cream for advice.
Do you keep a diary? To chart how you are? Something to hand to the GP next time ;-) - as well as a copy of the book 'me and my menopausal vagina' !
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Thank you, CLKD! I'm going to leave the steroid cream alone and just increase the amount of days I use the Vagifem and see how it goes. She said to go back in 8 weeks to let them know how things are. Not keen on that idea at the moment. Sick of any meno appointment turning into a long, boring battle! I don't keep a diary but will do now - thanks for the idea. I couldn't understand why she prescribed steroid cream because she examined me and said she couldn't see any other issues other than a bit red (not sore now though...and it didn't hurt me when she examined me) and in particular - no lichen sclerosis. She said all she remembered about vagifm was that the higher dose had been discontinued and the advice was that it should be only used for a year! Blimey! If I couldn't use the vagifem my "bits" would probably burst into flames! I don't think some people, including some g.ps, actually understand how bad meno can be for some of us - very seriously affecting quality of life when not comtrolled. I started peri when I was in my late thirties and went on to hrt age 41 (50 this year!)after coming on here for advice and support. I would not have got through without this forum to come to when faced with all this meno-madness. Happy to say though that in between these issues that crop up every now and then I have been fairly stable and comfortable. I hope there will be a day when I can eventually stop the patches although happy to continue with vagifem. Thanks for your reply xx
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Hi everyone! I haven't been on here for a while as everything has been pretty stable with my hrt and running smoothly, but have logged on today and am so pleased to have seen this thread!
I went back to the GP to ask about increasing my vagifem dose (currently on 10mcg twice a week and have been on it for three years with systemic femseven sequi 50 patches) as I have been feeling a bit sore and dry again and had a small sore "split, in the skin, as if the Vagifem dose isn't quite effective as it was.
Basically, a few weeks ago I repeated the loading dose over two weeks which sorted out all my issues of soreness/skin split and dryness and also irritable bladder, but when I then went back to the twice weekly maintenance dose it didn't seem to be working as well.
Anyway, I went to the Gp today who started off with "why are you on patches AND Vagifem anyway? You shouldn't be on both!!" My heart sank. I thought, oh great! Here we go again, she's going to try to take me off one of the treatments. And then she started giving me a very long, scary lecture on the risks of hrt again(I get this from every gp I see literally every time I visit the surgery about something meno/hrt related. I keep saying it's not as if I WANT to be on bloody HRT! I have to be or the night sweats/flushes/joint pains/atrophy makes life unbearable). I recently did a "trial without" hrt patches, but had to go back on them again after a few weeks.
Anyway, the gp then proceeded to tell me she wasn't up to date with meno issues and needed to read up about it. She supplied me with more Vagifem and told me to basically do what I thought was best with it. And also examined me, said she couldn't see any other issues/visible skin problems other than a bit of redness, but prescribed me a steroid cream to use. And also gave me a swab to use on myself to take a low vaginal swab on monday. I just got home and my head is spinning with it all!! I started doubting myself, and wondering if it was ok to be on vagifem and patches at the same time...and if other people do increase the dose from 10mcg btwice a week, although I felt sure that I had read that on here before. Glad to have found this thread. I'm worried about this prescription for steroid cream. Nothing ever seems to be straightforward with gp appointments for meno stuff does it? I'm starting to actually dread making gp appointments now bcause I feel like it is such a battle to be heard and understood and to find someone who is up to date with it all xx
I had a first meno clinic appt. this week and a follow up urogynaecology one last week. Both consultants and a mature nurse at the uro appt. assured me that it was fine to take HRT and Vagifem together. At the meno clinic he gave me a booklet about HRT published by Menopauseandme. On the last page there is a list of incorrect myths about meno. One of them is that it isn't safe to take HRT and vaginal oestrogen.
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Thank you, Katejo, every time I come away from a Gp meno-related appointment I leave in a state of total and utter confusion! I end up doubting myself and wondering if I have made up the things I think I know about meno. Honestly - I despair sometimes. It's no wonder we think we're going mad sometimes is it. I just dug out a copy of an old letter that was sent from the meno clinic back to my gp surgery about vagifem being ok with hrt. I'll take it with me next time. This is the third gp I've seen who has said they are not fully up to date with the latest meno info. I think I'll book to see my dog's vet next time. xx
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Hi Jojo
Its not good is it? We have enough confusion already in the meno brain fog, and it seems like some GPs are colluding to make us feel even worse!
Your comment about going to the Vets made me laugh so much I snorted some tea up my nose! ;D
Jeepers xx
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Aww, Jeepers, that is so true - it really does feel like that sometimes. My husband says he notices the change in me if I ever have to go to the Gp for anything meno related. I get very tense because I just know that it's going to be hard work! I've often thought about going to the vet. They are always very on-the-ball and so lovely with my dog! And she always gets a biscuit as well Hehe!! Sorry about the tea-snort ;D xxx
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Afternoon Ladies
I'm also on the Vaginal atrophy face book as I'm sucking up information from were ever I can .
The information now on vaginal estrogen is that 2 a week isn't enough (surprise surprise) and can be safely taken every other day .
There was even a power point presentation posted the showed this at one of the conference's.
Like you say jojo don't dought yourself if you need it you need it none of us want to be on it .
I Just cant understand why GPs are so slow catching up x
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I wonder whether the information isnt available to them or whether it's a case of them keeping themselves abreast of things and some just arent bothered about doing that. I'm not being down on all GPs but like every profession some are just not that interested in their job.
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The reason is the official information for the topical vaginal oestrogen is still two weeks loading followed by twice weekly. The NICE Guidelines do say this can be increased in consultation with a specialist but it is not written anywhere what dose this could be. As I think I said on this thread or elsewhere - the Estring already gives approx the same dose as the discontinued 25 mcg higher dose (ie 50 mcg per week) - so why docs can't just do the maths and translate this into Vagifem rather than keep their blinkers on!!!
Incidentally it is not universal that 10 mcg twice a week is not enough. It depends on the individual and also whether you are taking systemic HRT and how much. To be strictly correct - I think I mentioned on this thread (or maybe another one) that the research on which the reduction in standard dose was based showed that something like 2/3 of women showed significant improvement on the 10 mcg dose - so this is what led the decision. It was never all women but for some this is enough. Interestingly also there was greater improvement (in vaginal maturation and whatever else they measured) with the higher dose although it was sufficient for 2/3 at the lower dose. eg I am happy to use twice a week but I'm on systemic HRT and this is fine.
Those who need to increase should be under the care of knowledgeable doctors so that they can be prescribed more!!! FOF - yes they are slow to catch up and as Tc says maybe not interested enough :(
Hurdity x
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Of those that don't have a knowledgeable GP should be listened to :bang: :bang: :bang:
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COR WOW!
I have taken 2 days of Vagifem 10mcg and wow..wait...what...a difference in plumpness and volume down there, and it's not only me who has noticed...wink!
Took my 3rd pill this morning, haven't noticed much difference with urgency to pee yet, maybe a little, but obv it's early doors.
How long did it take for you before you noticed a difference to your bladder habits?
Lets campaign to change the name from Vagifem to Magifem, it's certainly worked some magic on me lemme tell you :bed:
TD
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;D ........ I haven't heard anyone say 'cor' for over 30 years, my Dad used it a lot ...... as well as 'squitt' ;D
Little steps ............ ;)
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Turkish delight, hope you don't mind me asking but did you find that having sex made the urgency to pee worse?
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Hia Suzy!
I don't mind, ask away!
No not at all, no pee issues having sex.
Just needing to go suddenly without much warning or time to get on the loo throughout a normal day.
Haven't had any accidents though, so i'm pleased about that.
TD
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Good news TD. :o
Did you put it in high up or a bit lower down?
Did you use the yes "vm" I bought some but it does t have a applicator. I would prefer that to put some just inside. It's a bit tricky with finger
I'm realy annoyed at my gp for saying I cant get it on prescription . At the moment I dont pay for prescription so it's expensive for me to buy it.
Glad to hear you are seeing be wfits already.
Xxx
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Thanks TC!
I went for two 3rds.
A bit horrified about the plastic waste of the blue applicator thingy though, trying to think of ways I can reuse them once washed lol!
Maybe a nice windchime, haha, or maybe tie a length of them on some string as a mobile for a baby's cot teehee, jokes obv!
Not picked up the yes yet, they had to order it in. The one I have coming has the applicators I think. Hey if it didn't I could have used the vagifem blue stick thing to apply it lol!
Annoying you can't get your GP to prescribe it, try another doc in your surgery see if they will do it for you.
TD
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Sorry. I added to my post and I think we crossed over.
Did you use the yes VM?
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Thanks Turkish delight,. I just have a mental block to getting back into sex. I got cystisis last September after off hrt for 3 months, then the niggling wee feelings on and off. Really want to have sex but so worried about cystisis and lingering wee feelings. I have been using ovestin for months and feel lubricated. Just got this anxiety about sex and I know only me and lovely partner can work it out. Of course the longer it goes the worse it gets.
Regarding Yes and applicators, they are expensive. I don't know why the Yes moisturiser tube doesn't come with a washable applicator like ovestin. You can try filling and applicator from the Yes tube, but the tube opening is not very suited to this. I think Yes think washable applicators are unhygienic, but ovestin applicators are OK to wash. I really don't see the point with the Yes moisturiser tube without applicator, and it's not cheap. Boot's own brand gel comes with a real usable applicator.
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Suzy. You mention not having sex making it worse but please try to put that out of your mind. I think the "use it or lose it" mantra can be unhelpful. It puts pressure on us ladies. It's hard to relax and be in the moment when you're thinking "if I dont do it I'm making the problem worse". It then builds into a realy big deal in your head.
Maybe with massage, a bath together or something like that and thinking "this doesnt have to lead further" might take the pressure off and lessen the anxiety.
Hope that's not too personal but your unhappiness about it realy came across in your post so I wanted to say something I thought might help.
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Thanks for the reply Tc, really kind. My partner is wonderful and we have had a few attempts that were not successful on both sides. We do take things slow , but we don't want things to drift indefinitely until we forget we once had a sex life! But cystisis is so HORRIBLE and it gets associated with sex. Now these lingering uti symptoms are something new to me. Every worse case scenario gets in my head, and with a holiday in several weeks I start thinking what if I have wee problems before or during and everything gets more stressful.
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Hia Suzy, the struggle is real!
It's good to talk about it I think bcz for us women sex begins in our mind before getting anywhere else.
Why have you come off hrt if you don't mind me asking? As it sounds like cystitis etc started after that?
Obv one must drink responsibly, and I do. I have one Malibu or Tia Maria about once a month, and no other alcohol. But if I'm feeling less frisky, I find sometimes a Malibu and Coke helps me lose my edginess, so I feel freer in my mind and more responsive to being amorous.
Going to start Testogel soon, hopefully that will help grease the wheels too. Have you tried that?
TD
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Suzy. It is horrible I know. And I understand you want that part of your life back.
What about if you were to get some anti biotics from doc to take just in case. You could take them on holiday with you.
I was told when I was young to always go for a wee as soon after as poss.
Have you ever tried the "powders" you mix up for cystitis. I have found they act much better if you take them straight away. Maybe you could take one straight after or just before sex? And take a pack on holiday too.
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I came off tibolone after post meno bleeding after 18 months. It stopped when I stopped the tibolone, but the hysteroscopy, under general anaesthetic because I don't cope well and all the hospital stuff was unbearable and stressful.. It's made me too scared to risk that again with systemic hrt.
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Tc, don't know if my gp would give out "in case" antibiotics. I have thought of buying some trimethoprim on line. After getting cystitis a few times I became vigilant to washing before and after sex and weeing. I haven't used the powders before or after sex so will give that a try.
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Suzy I have been prescribed trimethoprim for cystitis before
I've just looked it up and it says it can also be taken as a "prevention" in 100mg doses and also it says
"For cystitis which comes on after having sex a one off dose of 100mg within 2 hours of sex.".
Sorry I cant post a link but it's the NHS website under medicines.
Maybe your doc can prescribe it after all.
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That's great advice, thanks. That gives me more confidence to ask my gp.
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Tc, don't know if my gp would give out "in case" antibiotics. I have thought of buying some trimethoprim on line. After getting cystitis a few times I became vigilant to washing before and after sex and weeing. I haven't used the powders before or after sex so will give that a try.
My GP has sometimes been unwilling to do this but not always. The urogynaecologist was perfectly happy to give me 2 courses of Trimethroprim to keep as reserve. She understood how much easier it is to have such a reserve to only use if you really need it. She also says that 3 day courses of AB are a complete waste of time and shouldn't be given out. My reserve courses are both 7 day ones.
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Last time I had cystitis an idiot male gp thought I could manage without antibiotics and drink loads of water and it would clear. Well it didn't!
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Shows how sad my life is as I am really jealous of your 2 reserve courses of not 3 but 7 trimethoprim, Katejo!
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Shows how sad my life is as I am really jealous of your 2 reserve courses of not 3 but 7 trimethoprim, Katejo!
[/quote It has taken a long time to get into this position. Last time I requested such a supply at my GP practice it was refused. Have you asked for a referral to a urogynaecologist? I can't remember whether you have. I explained to mine that I had cancelled short trips away more than once because I had UTI symptoms and no time to get any treatment. I tend to get symptoms under 24 hours before I am due to go! It is so hard to know whether it is genuine or not.
I have another holiday quite soon and I really want to feel ok for it.
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Thinking maybe I couldn't buy them on line?
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Thinking maybe I couldn't buy them on line?
Think i have seen them advertised on the Superdrug web site. I don't know which questions they ask. Of course it is better to have the urine sent away for testing before you take an AB but sometimes it just isn't possible.
It is a catch 22. I get symptoms if i am stressed but i get stressed before a holiday because I am worried about not being able to get an AB! If I have a reserve course, I can hold off taking it to see if symptoms will clear with a dose of Nurofen.
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How sad that GPs are still advising occasionally use of strong ABs. This is why the human race will be in difficulties in the not too distant future. Over-use allows bugs to become resistant. Also, it may well be the incorrect AB unless a sample is sent to a lab. to find out which bugs are growing.
ABs certainly relieve symptoms as do pain relief tablets. I was advised to drink barley water :sick02: ::) ..... something my Grandma had in the house. Bicarb of soda is also good but I never fancy that by mouth :-\
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Hi girls!
So I'm almost done with my 2 week loading dose of Vagifem.
I have noticed a slight improvement re urgency and frequency to pee, but nothing absolute of game-changing.
Is this may be a time sensitive issue, as in it will improve more in time once I drop back and take 1x 10mcg twice a week?
Or should I have seen the bulk of the effects now that I'm on it daily?
Is there a case for doing a 3 weeks loading dose? I mean has anyone done this? Sooo many questions ::)
Thanks for any insight.
TD
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Hi Turkish delight,
Yes, you can do a three week loading dose, I did. When you have finished that, you could use it every other day for a while and see how you get on. Twice a week is not enough for many, the 10 mcg pessary is such a very low dose and some women continue to use it daily. I use Vagifem every other day, and I have the Estring as well.
Vagifem can take a while before you see much difference, so you do have to be patient.
JP x
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Yes you need patience! I would do alternate days. I use Ovestin, similar to vagifem, and it's taking several months for improvement. I use alternate nights and also did a month re load, on advice of my gp. I have no plans to use less than alternate nights, and been using 6 months. Maybe be prepared for flare ups of symptoms. It's insidious. Stress affects my wee symptoms. I don't use any other hrt. It really is a battle!
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I would continue until symptoms are eased. Also, do remember that it's a lower dose of 10 rather than the original 25 - so ladies often require two doses at once a few nights to really get on top of the need to pee.
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Thanks huns!
Such good recommendations here from you all, I love it!
Feeling headachey, and a bit of tummy turbulence, with slight nausea, which is very rare for me these days. Had to cancel my day.
Wondered if it could be related to starting Testogel? I have read through the Testo thread and didn't see anyone mention this.
Didn't want to start a new thread and bother everyone bcz it's probably not connected.
TD
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HORMONES - a change in mine always results in nausea :'(
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Thanks CLKD!
I think your spot on.
I will start a thread bcz my symptoms are a growing list and I'm feeling worse.
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Hello, I need some advice. I have been using vagifem twice a week after 2 week loading dose since last Oct.
Recently my outer bits are a bit sore, itchy and spikey.
I have an appointment tomorrow with GP, not sure what to ask for.
I am considering HRT to see if that helps with my other problem of buzzing/tingling legs etc.
I am going on holiday in 3 weeks so maybe a moisturiser will be better. Don't want to be in Greece and possibly having other strange things going on, suspect that might ruin the holiday if I am on the verge of madness.
Any advice on what I should ask for would be very appreciated. Is there any other topical HRT that can be used with vagifem🤪👍
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Nope. Some ladies use 'sylc' and/or 'yes' products along with localised VA treatment. Maybe put the products into the search box to see what others find?
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Hi Jillm. You could ask the GP for Ovestin estriol cream, which can be applied just to the labia. Also, your doc should be able to prescribe either Yes WB or Yes VM, two very good moisturisers. If they can't/won't prescribe, have a look at the Yes website and maybe buy some direct from the company. Don't use anything with a whole load of chemicals and irritants, which most of the OTC products seem to have.
Two Vagifem a week is, I would say, the absolute minimum. Many women need more than that and some need it daily. What about upping your dose and trying every other day for a while?
JP x
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Ovestin can be used internally it's a cream and you wash and re use the applicator. Others on here use it externally with vagifem internally. Know what you mean about getting your vagina sorted before holidays! What a nightmare. Like you say, not a good time to start other hrt in case of worrying side effects away from home!
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Jillm. If you don't want to try anything new hormonally for VM. then I would concur with the other ladies "yes VM" is a good alternative.
The local estrogens wont help the systemic side effects of meno but I understand you don't want to start systemic HRT before your holiday.
Being as you have a few weeks to go you could ask for estriol 0.01 for the vulva.it is the weakest of the creams so it's a good place to start. but if you don't want to start that then definitely start with the ",yes" or "sylk". Soon as. You might find these help by the time your holiday comes around.
I hope you have a lovely time.xx
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Thanks for your great info. GP prescribed Yes VM.
Tried it earlier today, been out for dinner and drinks with a friend and felt a bit more comfortable.
I'll assume it's the Yes and not the Jack Daniels and coke, thought if it is the later I can highly recommend it.
Oh I now think I have a bunion starting on my right foot. Guess I'll just hobble off home now😂😤
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Probably the effects of the "Coke" ;)
Enjoy the holiday!
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Hi again,
Well GP called me at work today to tell me I have another urine infection and on another 3 days of antibiotics oh joy.
IBS also seems to be flaring up again.
Will go get some probiotics tomorrow.
Kind of glad it's a urine infection, was a bit worried as lower abdomen has been bloated and sore.
Of course I jump to worst possible case of either ovarian cancer or bowel cancer, even though I have just received a clear result from bowel screening.
What is wrong with me? It's as if my mind is not happy until I am making myself sick.
Get a grip Jill, you are worrying yourself into an early grave.
That's me giving myself a talking to😡
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Hi Jillm - you were not imagining symptoms & no need to give yourself a kicking for the worst case scenario thoughts - we all do that at some point. Some of us repeatedly! I've also had the pelvic swelling & tenderness with a UTI - I mean on top of the burning waterworks etc. A UTI can cause urinary retention which tends to make the bladder dome up (visible when you lie down on your back) - a sonographer pointed this out to me. Sorry, can't remember what's gone before in this thread & no time to reread, but in case you don't know, a 3-day course of antibiotics may not be enough, so be prepared to go back to your GP if you have any doubts. Hope you feel much better soon.
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Hi Jillm - you were not imagining symptoms & no need to give yourself a kicking for the worst case scenario thoughts - we all do that at some point. Some of us repeatedly! I've also had the pelvic swelling & tenderness with a UTI - I mean on top of the burning waterworks etc. A UTI can cause urinary retention which tends to make the bladder dome up (visible when you lie down on your back) - a sonographer pointed this out to me. Sorry, can't remember what's gone before in this thread & no time to reread, but in case you don't know, a 3-day course of antibiotics may not be enough, so be prepared to go back to your GP if you have any doubts. Hope you feel much better soon.
Urogynaecologist told .e that 3 day courses of AB's were pointless. We should always get 7 day ones if we need them. She has given me 2 rescue courses to use if needed.
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I always have a 7-day course in reserve as well, after recommendation many years ago from a Uro-Gynae. Makes sense if prone to UTIs & is reassuring to know you can start them without delay if unmistakeable symptoms come on. Strong history of renal disease in my family, so not something I want to muck about with & maybe the reason medics are happy to continue to authorise my standby script.
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I asked my gp recently for an emergency supply of trimethoprim but I didn't get them because I haven't had enough bouts of cystitis. I am seriously thinking of buying on line. Looked at Superdrug site and they don't issue trimethoprim anymore for cystitis as they said it isn't effective, but it's been ok for me. Instead they issue the awful nitrofurantain .
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DO NOT USE ABs unless a sample has been sent to a Lab because using the incorrect medication encourages bugs to take hold. Get appropriate treatment for vaginal atrophy, it may be that you need to use more than is generally suggested in order to keep the vagina healthy.
ABs should never be used occasionally as they don't do any more than what an over-the-counter pain relief will do. Other than affecting every one of us World Wide when ABs become in-effectual. Do you want to be the one with a serious condition where ABs could save your Life but won't due to over-use ..........
If you have repeated urine infections or are apparently 'prone' to infections then the GP should refer you to the appropriate Consultant. Also, infections are commonly caused by bad toilet hygiene. The bugs usually live in the back passage and are transferred to a totally different environment in the vagina where they take hold. Thrush lives in the back passage too.
VA does mimic urine infection-type symptoms and ABs do help but they should never be used 'as required'. Have a look-see at the threads regarding vaginas and bladders here for advice. Make notes ;). Maybe go back to your GP and ask for appropriate referral knowing how long waiting lists are in the UK.
It worries me that even Consultants will suggest reserve supply of ABs :-\. There is always a reason for infection which the Consultant should investigate!
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I always have a 7-day course in reserve as well, after recommendation many years ago from a Uro-Gynae. Makes sense if prone to UTIs & is reassuring to know you can start them without delay if unmistakeable symptoms come on. Strong history of renal disease in my family, so not something I want to muck about with & maybe the reason medics are happy to continue to authorise my standby script.
I currently have 2 standby courses for emergency . It removes the stress from it because I don't have the anxiety of not being able to get a GP appointment. I have some symptoms now but I am going to use Nurofen or bicarb of soda dissolved in water first plus an extra Vagifem to see if that clears it. I get symptoms just before I am due too go on holiday when there isn't time to get a GP appt. and get a sample sent away/get the result. Also th Uro-gynae has told me that the test results are very unreliable anyway.
I prefer Trimethroprim. It usually does the job for me.
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I wanted some in hand because I definitely know when I have cystitis as opposed to uti symptoms from atrophy. Cystitis is agony, usually with blood and I can't cope with taking a sample to my gp in a taxi, I have no car, then waiting for ages for a prescription in agony, either at the surgery or coming home and another taxi for medication. I am scrupulous about personal hygiene before and after sex, but with VA I have been prone to cystitis.
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Im 50 and this is my first post. GP suggested started Vagifem 14 days ago after recurrent UTIs. But didn't test I have VA she just assumed. Still have periods 28-34 days but they only last 2-3 days. Lighter and mainly dark brown gunk. Felt weird inserting VF during period. Don't like the plastic tube up there. TBH I feel like I'm getting another UTI only had one 3 weeks ago. Got the shivers, burning feeling and urgency. So sick of this viscous cycle. Tried everything for UTI, diet, yoga, meditation, no caffeine, ruled out some sexual positions, organic toiletries and san towels, herbal remedies.....aaaaargh! I've either got UTI or pmt or fatigue or low mood or insomnia waking at 4am or weepy or some drama!!!!! Totally interfering with work and family life. Not sure there's answersjust need to feel like I'm not alone. But if you have any other suggestions please post! I'm in bed hot water bottle drinking tons and really don't want another antibiotic. Sometimes resting up and keeping warm and drinking and cranberry and probiotic nip it in the bud.......
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If you are getting symptoms prior to a holiday Katejo then it's stress-related. Do you drink enough prior to a holiday? For me it's my guts that play up :'(: tight knot, need to pee more, nausea. Do you feel like you need to open your bowels more due to anxiety/excitement? I've long forgotten what excitement feels like :-\
As for cystitis, it was known as 'honeymoon complaint' due to un-famliar friction in that area. Soreness, redness, not able to bear clothing ...... I have a theory for which I may get shouted down so ducking in preparation: ditch the tong ;)
Does the bicarb help, it's something my paternal Gran swore by! but I have to say when poorly I can't face it.
Welcome Bluey - has your urine been sent to a lab for testing? VA isn't 'tested' for but a quick exam is often useful. However, have a look-see yourself ? ;-). Appropriate treatment really does ease symptoms - do read our vaginal atrophy threads as well as those relating to bladder issues.
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Hello everyone,
Well I finished the antibiotics for urine infection last Thursday, been taking probiotics and eating kefir but IBS symptoms still awful, terrible gurgling stomach, loose stools and uncomfortable bloating.
I only hope it calms down by next Wed when we are off to Greece.
Oh palpitations also flared up again, not really noticed them for a few months, flushes and night sweats also back.
Has anyone else had symptoms come and go. I thought they were on their way out, but back just in time for holidays.
I knew this would happen, maybe I am causing it with anxiety, you know scared it will happen and ruin holiday, so it does😡
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Remind me: was there an infection diagnosed by sample sent away to a lab. and are you on atrophy treatment? If it's Vagifem use it nightly for the next few weeks certainly until you return from your holiday.
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Yeh it was sent to lab and definitely infection.
I have increased the vagifem to 3 times a week, but I think I'll maybe up to every night when I am away and hope the sweats and palpitations don't go on holiday with me😎
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Jillm, though it suits some people well, Kefir can sometimes aggravate gut problems. The bug mix in any one product doesn't always suit everyone. Can be very powerful in an unhelpful way for some folk, causing looseness, bloating etc. If you google something like adverse reaction to kefir you will see that lots of people have trouble with it. If you are taking probiotics as well, the combination might be too much.
Some probiotics/yoghurts/kefir increase histamine levels too much, so for people who have trouble processing histamine that can cause or aggravate flushing, night sweats, insomnia & digestive tract inflammation. Also people with autoimmune tendencies (sorry don't know whether that applies here) sometimes overreact to foods containing probiotics - the body reacts as if the bugs in them were harmful & goes into overdrive with similar symptoms to those we get with infection. Maybe lay off the kefir & or probiotics before your hols to give your system time to calm down? I know they are thought to be helpful with UTIs - I've taken many over the years & they can help maintain health in many ways, but not all types are always right for everyone. I hope you have a lovely time in Greece - beautiful country, lovely people.
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Wrensong,
Thanks so much for your really helpful reply.
Not sure what's going on, as I have IBS which flared up again recently I asked pharmacist and he suggested probiotic as antibiotics can be unsettling, I chose high dose designed for use with antibiotics.
You are right though things seems worse than ever. I'll give probiotic a miss for a few days and see how that goes.
I'll take them with me along with Imodium and cover all bases. To be honest won't really miss the kefir.
Just hope things calm down, I have this horrible fear I'll spend whole time away fixating on every ache, pain and strange feeling and come back even more stressed.
I long for the days when I wasn't hyper sensitive to every odd sensation or if I did notice something, I just shrugged it off & got on with my very happy life.
I agree, we love Greece, food, people, weather - perfect🌞😎🍸🏝⛱
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Hello everyone,
Well I finished the antibiotics for urine infection last Thursday, been taking probiotics and eating kefir but IBS symptoms still awful, terrible gurgling stomach, loose stools and uncomfortable bloating.
I only hope it calms down by next Wed when we are off to Greece.
Oh palpitations also flared up again, not really noticed them for a few months, flushes and night sweats also back.
Has anyone else had symptoms come and go. I thought they were on their way out, but back just in time for holidays.
I knew this would happen, maybe I am causing it with anxiety, you know scared it will happen and ruin holiday, so it does😡
You have my sympathy! So many times I have had UTI symptoms just before holiday. I do now have 2 back up courses of Trimethroprim to keep. Hopefully I won't need them. I am going on holiday tomorrow but i am ok this time. Perhaps this is because I have been using Vagifem for 6 months. If you get symptoms just before going away, it is impossible to get a GP appt. and a urine test done in time. On 1 occasion I assumed it was anxiety but it got worse after I left and i ended up having to go to an Italian hospital.
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Symptoms B4 each holiday = anxiety ......... keep using the VA treatment if necessary a little more than usual, i.e. morning as well as evening. Cotton panties or go nude under a skirt ;-)
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Crikey katejo, that sounds like my major nightmare situation.
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Hi, I've been suffering with VA for months now. Doctor prescribed me all sorts of treatment but I still have itching and burning, keeps me awake at night! Any advice on how long Estirol and Vaigisan take to relieve symptoms? Thanks.
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Hia Tracy!
I'd love to know too.
Think I recall someone in this thread mentioned we need to be patient.
I've been taking Vagifem for a month now and had little improvement with my symptoms which are an urgency to pee which comes on suddenly.
It has most definitely worked for me as far as atrophy. I have become more lubricated and plump. My husband says I've never been as plump down there and we've been together since i was in my mid 20's...yikes!
Are you on any systemic hrt as well?
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Hia Tracy!
I'd love to know too.
Think I recall someone in this thread mentioned we need to be patient.
I've been taking Vagifem for a month now and had little improvement with my symptoms which are an urgency to pee which comes on suddenly.
It has most definitely worked for me as far as atrophy. I have become more lubricated and plump. My husband says I've never been as plump down there and we've been together since i was in my mid 20's...yikes!
Are you on any systemic hrt as well?
It varies a lot from 1 woman to another. I got some instant relief in the first 2 weeks but then it fluctuated . Really good periods and then a flare up. However now (8 months after starting) I haven't had a uti for 6 months and I am sleeping through most nights without the need to pee. Still get a flare up if stressed or unwell for another reason.
Will be happy if I get to October with no further UTI 's and still sleeping as well. Have just started systemic hrt as well.
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Jillm, the other thing about probiotics is that some strains have a tendency to be good for calming IBS-D & others better for IBS-C. I think you're wise to give them & the kefir a rest for a while & see whether your tummy calms down, then if you need to experiment to try to improve your IBS, maybe try again when you get back from Greece. Maybe have a look at Optibac's website if you haven't already - there are reviews & you can ask their staff questions, I think.
The milder natural yoghurts can be calming - not the acidic tasting or high fat varieties just now, but even the bland ones may be too much if your system is really off balance & protesting at the cultures it may be regarding as invaders. I love the Total 2% fat whisked with semi-skimmed milk to consistency of double cream poured over cereal or fruit salad, so that may be a gentler way to try to improve your digestion for the longer term, once you're back & not worried about a flare away from home.
Yes, you could pack the probiotics & Immodium so you have an option for any eventuality, but bear in mind it may take a little while for your system to reset itself naturally after the upset of the antibiotics. All those lovely Greek veggies dishes with olive oil may be asking a bit much of it too in its current delicate state, so you may need to choose wisely when you eat out!
Do the mindfulness thing while you're there - focus on the lovely sea, the gorgeous mountains, the Spring greenery, really listen to the sound of the waves, feel the breeze on your skin, the sand under your feet - anything that grabs your attention & diverts you from worrying about what's going on in your body. The weirdness of menopause can so overshadow everything but the change in surroundings might just be enough to give you a break from its grip. I really hope so. We would move to Greece tomorrow if we could, so I envy you the holiday. Have a really fab time & keep cool! :)
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Wrensong,
Again thank you so much for your very thoughtful advice.
I am hoping I can calm down by next week, I feel the anxiety rising, palpitations are back and of course now I am panicking, this doesn't help digestion either.
I am so worried I will spend the whole week in a state of panic and ruin it for my husband and daughter, this is meant to help her de stress after her exams.
I used to love going on holiday, but now it makes me so nervous. What is wrong with me, am I nuts?
I will focus on all the lovely things about being in Geeece🍸⛱🏝
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LIVE Greek yoghurt. 'natural' is different ;-)
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CLKD by natural I meant without added fruit/sugar/flavourings etc & yes it must be live, but most yoghurt we buy in the UK i.e. from chiller cabinets, will be live. Just the long life stuff that I presume isn't & I haven't seen that on sale for years, but if you know otherwise please put me right!
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Hi Jillm, you're very welcome :) Can you get immersed in practical things in the run up to the holiday, to distract from the feelings of panic? I'm sure you probably already do breathing exercises, but if not, these can also really help.
Just having you there with them will be enough for your husband & daughter, so try not to put pressure on yourself to perform. Could you perhaps talk to them about how you're feeling before you go, to reduce the worry of expectations you're afraid you may not be able to meet? It's no-one's fault that menopause can affect us in this way & we all need understanding, support & reassurance at this time.
You're certainly not nuts to be anxious about going away. I imagine many, many women feel that way at this time of our lives, so hats off to you for having the guts to go regardless. We stopped going to Greece during the worst years of menopause as I couldn't tolerate the heat & was not on HRT to moderate things.
Maybe get yourself a book on mindfulness if it's new to you to read on the plane, or listen to guided meditations, relaxation exercises etc? These strategies practised regularly can really help damp down the anxiety response so that challenging situations don't elicit the full-on fight or flight reaction any more. I found if I could shut myself away in a quiet room for 20 mins relaxation/mindfulness meditation every day, that over time I became calmer & this really helped get me through the worst.
Exercise can be great for anxiety too, but for me at least, not to the point of exhaustion, as that seems to stress the body too much when it's already coping with hormonal chaos. If you already have other ways of coping, so much the better - do whatever you need to feel your best & before you know it you'll be in Greece, with all you love about it to fill your mind with far more pleasant things than thoughts of the havoc menopause is wreaking.
Wx
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Oh Wrensong you have made me feel so much better, although I could actually have a good cry at the moment.
I thought things were getting better in the last few weeks, then the UTI and antibiotics seem to have set me back.
The horrible feeling in my legs has ramped up, buzzing and feeling like the skin on lower legs is burning especially left leg, bubble popping feeling and ache in calve. Now scared I have a clot and I've not even reached the plane yet.
I am a grown up and know I am doing this to myself with anxiety🤪, but find it really hard to control this.
I have nortriptyline 10mg from GP to damp down the nerve feeling in legs, but now have palpitations which seems to be a side effect, so a bit scared to continue with them, but can't stand the leg nonsense.
I have had palps in the past, last Sept had 24 hour trace and was told all ok, GP thought memo related, I need to calm down, have started packing and think I'll go sit in the sun for a while🌞 that always helps.
Again thank so much for taking the time to help me, it's so nice to know there is support from everyone❤️
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Hi everyone, sorry I seem to have gone off on a tangent, I did start by connection to vagifem and UTI and have spun off in another direction😏🥴
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Bless you Jillm, so easy to take the original post off course - I'm guilty of that again & again, but when other things come up within a thread we all just want to help with those there & then, so I'm sure we'll be forgiven!
UTIs & antibiotics can both really take it out of you & on top of everything else that's going on at meno, it can make a major production out of a small crisis we would have dealt with easily in earlier years. Anything extra can feel like the last straw. It can be a really, really trying time & the toll it takes is enough to send the sanest person batty. We have all been there in so many ways & this forum is a Godsend - lots of lovely women full of empathy, wisdom, knowledge & experience. Someone always seems to have had whatever it is we are currently struggling with & can either give advice or hold a hand & that alone can be so reassuring.
Even nearly 7 years postmeno I still get the burning legs - arms too. Unnerving & not nice is it? It can just be due to menopause, but have they checked your B12, as when that's low it can sometimes cause burning legs & feet? I would think they've checked that out if you've been given meds for the sensation. If not, don't worry about it before you go on hols, but maybe ask your GP when you get back whether they think it worth checking serum B12.
The palpitations are very common in menopause, but a really horrible symptom. Like you, I had the 24hr Holter monitor plus other tests & mine were just ectopics. Lots of other women on here have been there too. Mine came in lengthy episodes day & night for several years & I found those & the night sweats that so wreck sleep, the hardest symptoms to bear. A Gynae specialising in menopause later told me she had previously worked in Cardiology & over time many women had come in with palpitations, been thoroughly checked out & nothing abnormal could be found, BUT they were all menopausal. It's hard to accept that they're nothing to worry about I know, but you are doing the right things in carrying on with life regardless, taking a little time out when you need to - you know what helps you cope & that's half the battle.
I can't stress enough how important rest & relaxation are at this time - before meno we carry on, pushing ourselves when we have to & the body somehow copes, but at meno we really need to start taking more care of ourselves. It's not selfish to do that, we can't be our best for others if we get run down through neglecting our own needs. Get your hubby to help when things are tough - tell him the MM ladies say this will help you have as smooth a ride as possible & if he doesn't we will be round there to sort him out!
Enjoy that holiday & come back & tell us all how good it was. We won't be jealous. Honest ;)
Wxxx
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Thanks again Wrensong for all the time you have taken to reassure me.
As this is a vagifem threat, might as well ask a question, I know I have asked this before, but has anyone using vagifem had problems with buzzing/fizzing in legs and vagina.
I ask again as I have increased the vagifem to four times this week and after I used it earlier today, my whole legs were fizzing and right up into vagina and buttocks. The fizzing legs only started Nov last year after I was prescribed vagifem.
GP is adamant it has nothing to do with vagifem I am not too sure.
Anyone had experience if this?
As always your help and advise us greatly appreciated👍❤️
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Thanks again Wrensong for all the time you have taken to reassure me.
As this is a vagifem threat, might as well ask a question, I know I have asked this before, but has anyone using vagifem had problems with buzzing/fizzing in legs and vagina.
I ask again as I have increased the vagifem to four times this week and after I used it earlier today, my whole legs were fizzing and right up into vagina and buttocks. The fizzing legs only started Nov last year after I was prescribed vagifem.
GP is adamant it has nothing to do with vagifem I am not too sure.
Anyone had experience if this?
As always your help and advise us greatly appreciated👍❤️
I haven't had anything like that.
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Thanks Katejo for your early reply. So glad you have not experienced this.
Chances are it has nothing to do with vagifem, but it all seems a bit of a coincidence it started after vagifem used😏 guess I will only find out if I stop it, but can't stand the thought of continuing UTI symptoms😡 ah well just have to continue.
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Not sure if theres a connection here jillm but when I'm feeling very anxious I get a tingling to trembling feeling in my legs, buttocks that sometimes went into a full panic attack and my legs would be shaking as if I was freezing cold. You sound extremely anxious and worrying about taking Vagifem, there"s really no need. I'm always very anxious before a holiday as we dont want to feel ill away from home but once there I'm fine. I've been taking vagifem nearly 5 years now and it's been around a long time, so dont worry and enjoy your holiday.
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Dierdre
Thanks so much for your reply. I know deep down the way I'm feeling is down to anxiety and I am so angry with myself for allowing it to get to me.
Could not sleep last night had what I think were adrenaline rushes and palpitations.
I knew this would happen and I would have a hugh flare up of symptoms which again points clearly to anxiety.
I used to be such a together person, where has she gone? I hate this.
I am so angry with myself, now got it into my head the buzzing sore legs are down to vagifem, which as you said it's probably not, I will take my normal 2 per week with me and use as instructed.
Also think the flare up could be too much wine, was at friends for dinner on Friday and had more than I should. Sadly wine is no longer a friend.
In fact never feel good when I have a drink, answer just don't do it😡
Thanks again your help is very much appreciated.
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Hi jillm, ditto me sleeping last night exactly as you describe, like electric surges for literally hours. And brings on those pressure feelings and it's awful. I've practically given up wine and alcohol for same reasons, I can't enjoy it thinking what it could trigger. Also panicking about up coming holiday like you. I'm not going abroad but my anxiety builds and this VA , I hardly know how I will get out of the house. I know just how you feel and it's horrible so all good thoughts to you.
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Anxiety for me is sudden. Feeling of going to be sick, then my thighs followed by my calves go weak. I have to sit down. It's the Fight/flight response but knowing that does NOT stop it happening.
Keeping up with the 'vagifem' treatment is important. The vagina needs TLC ;-) and plumping up tissues really helps. Along with a pain relief if necessary: 1 x 3 times a day for 2 days ;-)
Someone told me to let the anxiety drift - yeah right :-X
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My pharmasist accidentally gave me ovestin instead of my usual estriol for outside bits and I've got to say the difference is marked. Its stronger so I use less but it seems to work for longer. It's the most noticeable difference I've had in all these months of using vagifem and estriol. The first couple days was a bit itchy but that went away and I've been using it 2 weeks now. I even think I could go to every other night which I couldnt do on the estriol.
The only problem is now convincincing my doc who heavily favours "the weakest cream".
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That's not good though :-\ even though you have benefitted.
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Jillm, even if your GP didn't use the term, formication may be what they had in mind for the sensation in your legs. Can be felt as crawling, itching or burning & surprise, surprise - often starts at menopause. Not sure whether that sounds possible to you. I doubt it is being caused by the Vagifem, but may just have coincided with your starting to use it because the hormonal chaos is causing various symptoms to manifest at once. Another possibility is restless legs, which again many of us start to suffer from at this time.
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Hi Wrensong,
Thanks for your reply, yup sounds just like that, along with tight calve and thigh muscle in left leg. It's really getting me down, I suppose I am just searching for a reason why and my hope is that it will stop one day.
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I'm on a vagifem high!!! :bounci:
Update
Just got in from seeing my own GP(not easy)to see if he would add vagifem to my repeats list.
Previously I had already seen a senior partner in the surgery to do this, the one who said...Na...sdon't do that, come back and see your own doc :( and was very against giving any more than the 10mcg 2x weekly to tide me over...fool!
Anyway skip to the end, I was feeling apprehensive bcz of the previous docs incompetence, so wasn't gonna say much in case it somehow ruined my chances of getting what I need.
So my doc asked how I'm getting on with the vagifem, I felt myself light up and I said...It's a game changer, you need to offer it to all women in perimenopause. He then sat up in his seat and said oh ok, I'm learning something here, he said we do give vagifem but tend not to offer if someone is on systemic hrt, but I will take that away and look into it. So not only did he give me them, he said is that dose enough, shall I double it, and what else do you want to add anything more? So I said the YES VM is helping is it ok to have that on repeat and he said don't see why not....whoop whoop! I do pay for my prescriptions so don't feel bad getting it this way on repeat. The apmnt was going so well that I thought I'd bring up that the prev doc didn't see fit to give me them, he rolled his eyes and said I'll talk to him and tell him I'm happy for you to have them. I said I was worried in case he had said no to me too, to which he said...I never say no to you. So nice, I love love my doc, he is the best.
Update on how It's been working.
The vagifem has started to work it's magic on the urgency and frequency that I needed to pee. It took 5 weeks of 2 weeks loading and one every other day. I feel liberated and not like a leaky old bag anymore, not that I leaked, I hadn't got to that point but was heading that way, luckily I had you all to direct me to get the help I needed.
TD(on her vagifem cloud...wink!)
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So glad things are working for you! My gp is also great about prescribing local hrt as I need. Got plenty on repeat for a year. Hurray.
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:hapij: fantastic news T.D where are you. I am moving!!!!!
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Hi there-
this is all so interesting!
I'm pootling towards menopause: only 2 periods in the space of a year.
Having horrible mood symptoms and totally knackered but unable to tolerate HRT- makes me feel shabby/blurry if that makes any sense.
Anyway this thread is very interesting to me as think I'm experiencing symptoms of VA: I'm passing urine several times a night- it's driving me crazy! Occasionally feel quite sore vaginally which is new to me.
As an aside a really odd feeling has woken me up a couple of times recently- I feel strange, sick and legs feel weak- sounds bizarre but think someone else mentioned something like this upthread. Also, palpitations sometimes wake me.
All that is a bit of a preamble into vagifem and whether it could help- with the vaginal symptoms? is it at all systemic? maybe even a little systemically might help other symptoms?
Can I take vagifem without being on hrt? If I could tolerate hrt I'd be happy as Larry but I have been through everything!! It's not just the prog that I can't tolerate.
I've done several private finger prick oestradiol tests and they always return a menopausal result- always out of the range.
I'm 47 but feel v old! I'm trying to combat with exercise but golly it's hard work!!
Thanks for any help :)
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Hi there-
this is all so interesting!
I'm pootling towards menopause: only 2 periods in the space of a year.
Having horrible mood symptoms and totally knackered but unable to tolerate HRT- makes me feel shabby/blurry if that makes any sense.
Anyway this thread is very interesting to me as think I'm experiencing symptoms of VA: I'm passing urine several times a night- it's driving me crazy! Occasionally feel quite sore vaginally which is new to me.
As an aside a really odd feeling has woken me up a couple of times recently- I feel strange, sick and legs feel weak- sounds bizarre but think someone else mentioned something like this upthread. Also, palpitations sometimes wake me.
All that is a bit of a preamble into vagifem and whether it could help- with the vaginal symptoms? is it at all systemic? maybe even a little systemically might help other symptoms?
Can I take vagifem without being on hrt? If I could tolerate hrt I'd be happy as Larry but I have been through everything!! It's not just the prog that I can't tolerate.
I've done several private finger prick oestradiol tests and they always return a menopausal result- always out of the range.
I'm 47 but feel v old! I'm trying to combat with exercise but golly it's hard work!!
Thanks for any help :)
Yes you definitely can take Vagifem without systemic HRT. I started Vagifem in that way. It sounds as though you would benefit. Sleeping through the night without extra loo trips is so much better. I sometimes still need 1 trip but it is much improved. I also sat through a theatre performance recently without having to queue for loos during the interval or before the journey home.
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Vagifem is targeted, local treatment, so there should be no systemic absorption. There are four treatments to choose from. Apart from the Vagifem pessaries there are two creams, Ovestin and Estriol. These are inserted into the vagina using the applicator provided, and can also be applied externally if the vulva is sore. Estriol is the weaker of the two but you have to use more. Then there is the Estring, which is a vaginal delivery system that stays in place for up to 12 weeks. VA will only get worse if left untreated, and treatment is for life.
Sorry to hear you can't tolerate systemic HRT, but at least you can use localised treatment for this particular problem.
I should also add that if you decide to use one of the local treatments, don't pay any attention to the patient information leaflet as it will be the same as the one provided for systemic. It ought to have its own leaflet but doesn't.
JP x
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Thanks very much Katejo and Joaniepat
I'll def give it a whirl-
have gp appt next week so will now go armed with info :)
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Thanks girls, your the best!
TD
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:ola: Go Girl GO!
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Hi have any of you ladies experienced hair kiss after starting Vagifem ? As I started systemic hrt patch for 7 weeks had bad side effects so stopped then a week later started Vagifem and then 6 weeks later lost half my hair volume so not sure if this was Vagifem or started systemic estrogen or stopping estrogen but I swapped the Vagifem for Ovestin just Incase but I am still shedding hair and it's mainly a wider parting slight receding across forehead and temples and side of head above ears but have lost the most back of head behind the ears and nap of neck ? You thoughts are much appreciated and any help and advise would be great . I'm now on Estrogel 2 pumps and using ovestin twice weekly as hysterectomy and ovary removal no need for progesterone. Please help with possible answers for my hair loss I think it is estrogen as I'm still loosing it and after my operation in 2014 I didn't take HRT for 4 1/2 years as had no Symtoms and no hair loss above normal still thick long growing hair now mega thin
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Great news TD. Well done!
Great post Joaniepat - all the relevant info in a succinct post. Love it!
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Sammie - it is unlikely to be localised vaginal treatment but can occur during The Change.
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Tinker bell
Can I ask for your VA symtoms you use vagifem and I estrogel 3 pumps have you experienced hair loss on these or hair thinning.
Because I had hysterectomy and ovary removed and I took vagifem for dampness I was getting which they thought VA but 6 weeks after taking I shed loads of hair but I tried a patch prior to then and then stopped cause it didn't suit so not sure whether was patch stopping it or the vagifem I swapped vagifem for ovestin and although hairloss has slowed it is still coming out and is half as thick I'm now on estrogel and have been for 6 months but am shedding hair ? I's this the case for you
Also your VA Symtoms do you get the feeling like u urinate but don't completely empty as I do and feels like there is a bit of wee trapped in the Pipe before the opening ?
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Maybe lean forwards at the end of each pee Summie? to encourage the bladder to empty fully. Squatting can help too!
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CLKD
I have tried that with urination but no help nothing comes out.
My bowel habits have changed to and are slower less frequent since being on estrogen mega back and abdominal pain.
I have gone through the change as was forced into surgical menopause 5 yrs ago now so I am 4 years post meno and hot flushes virtually had gone and the only other symptom was dampness now since messing on HRT estrogen only I have hair loss weight gain bloating mood swings from sucidal thoughts chronic depression fatigue zero energy, I'm either going to try another HRT patch or go back on the pill ! Do u think my hair loss could be caused by hormone imbalance as in progesterone and testosterone needs to be taken to balance things or is estrogen what's causing my hair loss
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I think you need to see I think: a tricologist? : someone who deals with hair loss. Alopecia is a difficult medical condition which can be caused by many things. Certainly hormones may contribute.
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Hiya ladies. I've got my 3rd bout of thrush in as many months and I'm beginning to think its vagifem.
Ovestin cream is working to keep outside moist but I'm dry inside and dont know whether that's the thrush or just that the vagifem not working. I cant see any thrush on the outside although it's weird that despite the vulva being moist its started itching at night which is new.
I cant keep taking a one off thrush tablet every few weeks can I?
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Tc, is the Vagifem dissolving OK? I have to use Yes VM internally to get it to dissolve, otherwise the pessary emerges in clumps the next day. I am using Yes one night, Vagifem the next (also have an Estring). The Yes is inserted up inside the vagina using one of the single use vials, or if you don't like those, transfered from a tube to one of the round ended applicators from Stressnomore. Just a thought.
This VA is a right pain. (Are you on Jane Lewis's VA Facebook group? Plenty of good ideas there.)
JP x
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Vagifem can cause thrush it says on the leaflet, or on their website.not sure on which i read it or on both but it can
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Thanks ladies.
joanie. Interesting as the last two times it was diagnosed by my womens physio upon examination because TMI warning she had white bits on gloves after.and could see iinside entrance. I wasnt itchy and had no discharge so I was surprised. Maybe it was the breakdown of the vagifem.
I'm assuming its thrush this time as I've been so itchy but maybe the vagifem is irritating me. I . would be happy to use ovestin internally but they will only give me one tube at a time . . I swear before I used it things were shrinking and felt sort of stuck together and still do if I dont use it for a couple of days. sorry if thats a bit graphic. It's horrible and keeping it to myself makes me feel even worse. I dont know why but I almost feel ashamed.
I've got some yes VM from superdrug but didnt get applicator with it I will look online. I know it's not eco friendly but I prefer disposable applicators.
I have read other ladies use acti gyn to keep the ph balanced to avoid thrush. But at this point I dont know if I should add anything else into the mix.
Ii would like to go to a GUM clinic. I know fore certain I dont have an STI but I wonder if they might confirm or dismiss thrush.and check for LS, . But dont know if they will see me for that.
Thanks for your helpful reply.xxx
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Is it Thrush? VA mimics that itchiness, 4 me thrush irritation is too high up to scratch :o and VA is like razor blades up there :-\
Use YES on the end of your finger, inserting gently? Lay quietly with a good book for 20 mins. ;-). I don't worry about disposal, it's how things are burnt or recycled that is the important issue in the UK. I put my applicators into plastic waste, washed thoroughly of course.
Maybe buy some LIVE yoghurt, eaten and applied. It cleanses the whole digestive tract and will encourage good bacteria. Thrush/candida lives in the back passage so toilet hygiene is important. It likes warm areas in which to grow. Applied: lots of yoghurt on the finger or on a tampon, as high as possible to ease that itch. Keeping tubs separate of course ;-).
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Not sure it is CLKD. That's why I'm reluctant to take the one off thrush tablet. I only took it 2 weeks ago.. I am a bit worried about LS so I think if I cant get rid of it I will get checked out.
Thanks so much for all your helpful advice. I will give it a go xxxx
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Take pain relief too.
How likely is it to be LS? Once that's checked out, if you haven't already, [you may have said] maybe try 'ovestin' instead of 'vagifem'? The applicators can be washed and rinsed ;-)
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Hi guys
So just to update you my hairdresser came and did my hair and she noticed that since her last visit 6weeks ago my hair is noticeably thinner.
I am on EstroGel 2 pumps and Ovestin 2 times a week , I do believe the EstroGel is causing my hair loss it's like it given me alopecia !! I had ovary removed and hysterectomy in 2014 and up Intill sept 2018 I never used HrT and did have hair loss !
I don't know if it's the Estrogen itself or imbalance because I don't take progesterone although I can Utrogestan 100mg and my menopause specialist said would do me know harm but then there are side effects to this.
I remember when I was on the pill had no hair loss or acne or problems so think I may go back on this instead anyone experienced hair loss on EstroGel or Utrogestan or the contraceptive pill ?
Thanks
Sam
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What did the hairdresser suggest?
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I've had sight of my gyna letter to gp thought it might be interesting regarding VA and vagifem dose.
Earlier in the year my notes read "vaginal atrophy/vulval atrophy " (despite using estriol 0.01)
I have since been using vagifem every night and ovestin outside and just inside entrance nightly.
although gynae has put in my notes I can use vagifem 3 times a week, nobody knows ive been using it every night for close to 10 weeks. I have to be very sneaky with getting it.
My recent letter read "no signs of atrophy"!!
I know ive still got it and that it's a problem that doesnt go away and can flare but the fact that she didnt see evidence of it on that particular day must mean I've got it under control.at least at the moment.
I'm convinced switching from estriol to ovestin made the difference on the outside. I could tell myself within a week of making the switch.
but as far as vagifem goes ...my little experiment with nightly dose seems to have worked.. .I guess to be balanced I might have improved on every other night too in the last 10 weeks but before that I was using it every other night for weeks on end with no improvement. So I think it has made the difference.
Now it's a bit more under control I should probably go to every other night i dont want to but getting enough for every night on prescription is becoming stressful and i dread them refusing to repeat and running out!!
So reluctantly I will reduce and see If symptoms come back. If they do then I guess I'm living proof that some ladies need vagifem nightly. But I doubt I will convince my GPs of that!!
Xx
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I've had sight of my gyna letter to gp thought it might be interesting regarding VA and vagifem dose.
Earlier in the year my notes read "vaginal atrophy/vulval atrophy " (despite using estriol 0.01)
I have since been using vagifem every night and ovestin outside and just inside entrance nightly.
although gynae has put in my notes I can use vagifem 3 times a week, nobody knows ive been using it every night for close to 10 weeks. I have to be very sneaky with getting it.
My recent letter read "no signs of atrophy"!!
I know ive still got it and that it's a problem that doesnt go away and can flare but the fact that she didnt see evidence of it on that particular day must mean I've got it under control.at least at the moment.
I'm convinced switching from estriol to ovestin made the difference on the outside. I could tell myself within a week of making the switch.
but as far as vagifem goes ...my little experiment with nightly dose seems to have worked.. .I guess to be balanced I might have improved on every other night too in the last 10 weeks but before that I was using it every other night for weeks on end with no improvement. So I think it has made the difference.
Now it's a bit more under control I should probably go to every other night i dont want to but getting enough for every night on prescription is becoming stressful and i dread them refusing to repeat and running out!!
So reluctantly I will reduce and see If symptoms come back. If they do then I guess I'm living proof that some ladies need vagifem nightly. But I doubt I will convince my GPs of that!!
Xx
In which way was Ovestin better than estriol please? I have a meno clinic appt. next week and want to ask about trying Ovestin (externally to prevent itching). The GP didn't even want to give me more Estriol because I am using Vagifem. I am also using Vagifem most nights and have the stress of possibly being refused
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Kate.
We shouldnt have to go through all this stress over this. . I only know from one scrip to the next if I will get enough or if they will try to stop the ovestin. Each time I get my scrip I breathe a sigh of relief. Until the next time It shouldn't happen.
I think the fact that ovestin is stronger is what made the difference. Its 10 times stronger so if you use it inside the applicator dose is smaller so it works out the same.
But for the outside its thicker and seems to rub in and absorb better. Also because its stronger i dont have to use much. . To get the same amount of E from estriol I wouldve had to use loads of it. So I might not have been using enough estriol to get the benefit but it's pretty difficult to use that much cream it doesnt rub in and its messy. When I used a lot of it I felt uncomfortable.
So in short, a little ovestin goes a long way.
I looked it up and ovestin is actually cheaper than estriol!!!
I think docs see that its 10 times the strength and panic so explain that you know you have to use a lot less.
I hope you get on o.k. xxx
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Kate.
We shouldnt have to go through all this stress over this. . I only know from one scrip to the next if I will get enough or if they will try to stop the ovestin. Each time I get my scrip I breathe a sigh of relief. Until the next time It shouldn't happen.
I think the fact that ovestin is stronger is what made the difference. Its 10 times stronger so if you use it inside the applicator dose is smaller so it works out the same.
But for the outside its thicker and seems to rub in and absorb better. Also because its stronger i dont have to use much. . To get the same amount of E from estriol I wouldve had to use loads of it. So I might not have been using enough estriol to get the benefit but it's pretty difficult to use that much cream it doesnt rub in and its messy. When I used a lot of it I felt uncomfortable.
So in short, a little ovestin goes a long way.
I looked it up and ovestin is actually cheaper than estriol!!!
I think docs see that its 10 times the strength and panic so explain that you know you have to use a lot less.
I hope you get on o.k. xxx
Yes I breathe a sigh of relief in the same way. I have just got a new box ov Vagifem. Yes I think Ovestin is also cheaper than Vagifem. At the hospital where i go for the meno clinic the pharmacy is not allowed to provide Vagifem but can Ovestin.
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Kate. There is no consistency.
Do you think the vagifem is helping you?
What do you think of the estriol 0.01?
X
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Kate. There is no consistency.
Do you think the vagifem is helping you?
What do you think of the estriol 0.01?
X
The Vagifem has definitely helped me but some weeks it works better than others. Estriol irritated me badly when I used it internally. Possibly helps a bit externally but too soon to know really.
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It's not good that you have to go through this every month with a prescription! My ovestin is ok for a year and it takes the stress out of it all.
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Just to clarify - the active ingredient in Ovestin is also estriol but as Tc says is 10 x stronger (0.1%) so the licensed dose is 10 x less than for the generic estriol (0.01 %). They have different composition of fillers too.
Hurdity x
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Hi guys
Well have now been on estrogel 2 pumps 6 months couldn't tolerate higher dose, due to side effects the worst being alopecia/hair loss.
I had hormone levels checked in March after 3 months and were estrogen 195 and testosterone 0.8 and now having had them tested last week are estrogen 104 and testosterone 0.6
I can't understand why it has gone lower does this mean my body is rejecting the estrogen and is expelling through hair loss ?
I tried a patch prior to this elleste solo mx40 didn't have hair loss but was only on it 6 weeks as gave me heavy arms chest pain breathless ness.
Hysterectomy and ovaries removed at 35 HRT Initiated Dec 2018
Advise welcome please ladies
Also which patch is better estradot or everol in terms of hair loss weight gain ?
I don't want Estraderm as side effect is alopecia !
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Cant say which would be better or worse for hair loss /weight gain, but Evoral info gives hair loss as a side effect[possible] i don't want hair loss :( as already have some which i have posted about before
I have only been on Evoral for 2 weeks but now getting headaches i am not usually prone to
My Dr said HRT should help with hair growth and companies have to say this as possible side effect, doesn't mean there will be any,
I am going to give it a months trial,that is all
Don't know anything about Estrogel
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I need Vagifem every night TC and the thing I was scared of has happened through the new computerised system (started a thread recently) now getting exact amount as stated on script and greyed out until 1st Sept, cant order when I've ran out as before, been rationed! Had a bit of a melt down and flare up so now on steroid cream. I've just ordered a box online superdrug in desperation.
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You cant get Vagifem? why, do you mean there is a shortage or your Dr wont let you have any? ???
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I've been put on repeat prescription and the new computer system only allows the exact amount prescibed and is greyed out until the exact date I run out. I was using everyday if needed then ordering when needed more, now im allowed 5 per week so I'm 2 short each week. I know it's only 2 but it has made a difference from being reasonable comfortable to being sore and burning on the 2 days I dont use. So I've ordered online to supplement if needed, dont know what else to do.
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Deidre you should not have to get this privately if it's what you need! Prices from Superdurg are absurd! Re the computerised system - mine won't let me order my repeats before the due date either - but there is a space for a message so if i run out of stuff too early I put a message through (eg patches fallen off etc). However you must go back to your doc and get their agreement to increase your prescription so that the exact amount coincdies with how much you need. If they refuse then ask for a referral because there is provision in the NICE Guidelines to vary from the licensed maintenance dose.
Hurdity x
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Sammijane. how long before you noticed hair loss,on the HRT you were on when it first happened,
Yoy said you were on it for 6 months, but how long had you been on it when your hair first started going?
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I go to the Surgery as the computer won't let me in since they up-dated their system ::)
Never have a query, if it happened I would stamp my feety-bits ;)
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I hope your right Hurdity, I will go and see the doctor, this has caused me so much stress. There's so many posts on here with the same fear every time we put in a prescription that we're going to be refused because we're all obviously using more than prescibed and worried the doctor will realise and limit the amount.
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Eighteen months ago i got told by my named GP that i had exceeded my Vagifem quota and he wouldn't prescribe anymore for three months, i dread to think what state my VA without continued treatment.
I promptly made another appointment with a GP who always takes time to listen, he said he was happy to describe what i felt i needed, i recently had a HRT review so made sure i waited until i could get an appointment with him and again he was happy to continue prescribing daily Vagifem, i shall dread the day he retires!
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It is sometimes best to try a different Dr if you are not happy with the one you usually see,
All Drs seem to have different views on things
Glad you found a better thinking Dr Tinkerbell
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I am absolutely appalled that your GP refused vagifem for 3 months because of your "quota" . I really am speechless with indignation!