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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: Stellajane on March 10, 2019, 06:37:05 PM
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Granddaughter has gone veggie so I'm looking for the tastiest meat substitute products that will be acceptable to the non-veggies in the family. Most of the things we've tried so far have been pretty dull. Recommendations anyone?
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Stellajane you may have tried this, but I did Quorn a couple of times - not because anyone was vegetarian - and my son who is a meat lover couldn't tell the difference, both times was a spag bol. Otherwise I can't be much help.
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I gave up and cook separate meals for the veggies, the vegan and the meat-eaters!
Taz x
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How old is DGD? If old enough, go shopping with her and let her decide? I would never not cook meat-based dishes though, if someone wants to avoid foods stuffs that's fine: after all I can't eat onions.
What exactly is she avoiding? Some who avoid meat continue to eat meat/cheese/eggs otherwise it gets a bit narrow. If she is less than 25 years old she needs to consider avoiding oestopororis: now! because what we layer onto our bones during our early years/teens is important. Maybe have a look-see at the Osteoporosis Society for food ideas?
Have a look at Indian/Asian recipes too - we have several vegetable curry dishes which can be served with different sides, usually yogurt based.
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Hi Stella,I've been veggie for over 25 years now,quorn is good but I'm not sure I'd feed it to a meat eater,my OH isn't veggie and although he's tried and liked my food,he said he could definitely tell it wasn't meat.If you don't really want to cook two separate meals,I'd definitely opt for something with a tasty sauce over it,just to mask the taste of the substitute meat xx
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Is there room to grow her own veg. this year: peas, beans, marrows, squash, leeks, chives ........
We eat a lot of oven roasted veg. to go with chicken etc., which I love. Cooked separately the meat can be avoided.
Fish fingers and chips with peas.
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I can never see the point of veggie meat substitutes. If you don't want to eat meat why do you need to eat something that is pretending to be like meat. It's just weird.
Quorn is packed with additives and has limited nutritional value.
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Aubergine, Humdinger I HATE aubergine 🍆 :sick02:
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I don't eat meat because I love animals, I use substitute meat because it gives substance to a meal,not because it tastes like meat,only meat tastes like meat and I never liked the taste of it anyway
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I don't eat meat because I love animals, I use substitute meat because it gives substance to a meal,not because it tastes like meat,only meat tastes like meat and I never liked the taste of it anyway
??? Does that mean if you eat meat you don't like animals. Not sure you meant that.
My mum was vegetarian all her life and never made a fuss. She never ate anything like Quorn or other meat substitutes. They are highly processed and full of additives.
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Mince means meat! It's a way of spreading out lamb/beef so that it goes further. One doesn't mince anything else in the kitchen, i.e. fish ;)
Mince: shepherds' pie I think is lamb :-\ some logic there probably.
Stir fried veg. with garlic. On a bed of rice which has been mixed with ginger to spice it up. Yummy.
I can't eat eggs but they can be added to lots of meals as well as making good pancakes :-*
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No, I was speaking about me personally.when I was first vegetarian,there was no meat substitute,bit like with your mum,so when it came out it just complimented whatever I made,instead of curry or lasagne etc just having veg in them,I could now add something extra, I don't cook every meal with them,in fact probably only use it once or twice a week,it may be full of additives as many foods are but for me personally it's healthier than eating a fat saturated burger.
I'm not one of those soapbox veggies,it's my own personal choice and I have no problem cooking my husband a steak or whatever he fancies, I don't criticise meat eaters but in return I don't expect to be criticised
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I have to fancy what ever I eat anyway so that cuts out stuff. I can eat i.e. steak once a week for months then suddenly it turns :-X so I can't consider it ::). Same with cheese ............
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I have to fancy what ever I eat anyway so that cuts out stuff. I can eat i.e. steak once a week for months then suddenly it turns :-X so I can't consider it ::). Same with cheese ............
I'm like that with salmon. If I eat it too often I start to find it, sort of, too rich and sickly. Then I can't eat it for months.
I wish that worked with chocolate 🍫. ::)
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Hummdinger,you're so right,when I was first veggie it was almost impossible to go out for a meal,as it was basically salad you were offered,I remember being in hospital once and I told the nurse I was vegetarian and I was handed a roll with a slice of tomato in it 😂🤣
I have over 10 LARGE veggie cook books and I eat a very healthy diet,apart from chocolate and crisps 😆 I rarely buy ready made meals as they taste so fake. Oh there is one kind of mince I can eat at Xmas,mince pies 😆
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Some vegetables and rice is not a balanced meal. All right as a standby but not what many vegetarians would want on a regular basis.
I think it’s difficult not to fill up on starchy carbs, if you are not eating meat. Keeping the balance right, particularly for children, can be a challenge.
Glad I'm an omnivore. Life is complicated enough as it is.
Nothing wrong with a bit of saturated fat jaypo. It's essentially for good brain function and cell membrane. Trans fat, however, is always bad.
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I don't eat too many carbs either,it's very easy being veggie and after 25 years of it,it's just a way of life and I have a very balanced diet but I agree re children,can be a phase with some kids who along with their parents not knowing enough about balancing nutrition out
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GD is only 10 jaypo and I'd say almost certainly just doing it to go along with her mum. She worked out at a very young age the easiest way to keep the peace! Unfortunately they've cut out fish too, and she's not a fan of vegetables!
Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions everyone.
Oh boy, good luck with that, :-\
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She'll be fine stella,my daughter was vegetarian at age three & I'd no problems at all,she was as healthy as other children her age & has had no issues with growth etc in fact she's way taller than me now.It is very daunting at the start but if her mum is vegetarian then she should know what to do,the one thing I'd add is make sure she gets enough iron,again was never an issue with my daughter but it can be,especially if she won't eat greens.Hope all goes ok,would you like me to come round & cook 😆 I'm not at home right now but I'll look through my cook books & see if I can find some things suitable for children xx
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So get into the garden, make a plot so that DGD can grow what she fancies: lots of coloured veg., i.e. peppers, peas from the pods (never cooked ;-) ) etc.. I could go along without eating fish :-\.
Let us know how you get on!
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That would be 'are you serious about not eating meat then' ;D
She may like to have a bit of garden at Gran's house ;-). Go round fruit and veg. markets too, let her pick and choose. The ethnic stalls fascinate me.
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After working for the environmental health department of our local council, I have not eaten beef since :o the phrase "mechanically recovered meat" conjured up images of a product I didn't want to eat, and what went into the sausages :o
I'm not vegetarian but I do use Vegemince if I want to make a chilli or bolognaise type meal, I love Linda McCartney sausage rolls and mozzarella burgers :) I've always preferred fish to meat but I don't like shellfish ::)
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After working for the environmental health department of our local council, I have not eaten beef since :o the phrase "mechanically recovered meat" conjured up images of a product I didn't want to eat, and what went into the sausages :o
I'm not vegetarian but I do use Vegemince if I want to make a chilli or bolognaise type meal, I love Linda McCartney sausage rolls and mozzarella burgers :) I've always preferred fish to meat but I don't like shellfish ::)
What you need is a quality butcher. We have a wonderful local one that sources it produce from local farms. Nothing mechanical about it.
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Also ours will mince good cuts if we give him a week's notice ;)
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I'm not sure why it just can't be respected when someone says they don't want to eat meat.each to their own,surely 🤨
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I'm not sure why it just can't be respected when someone says they don't want to eat meat.each to their own,surely 🤨
Woops. I think you have got the wrong end of the stick. Nobody is knocking veggies :-\ There is just a separate conversation about meat quality.
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Hello ladies.
There are some fantastic vegetarian and vegan cookery books available which is great. I have two books by The Happy Pear chefs and their food is delicious and child friendly, they also have a YouTube channel that's worth a look.
At the age of eleven my daughter announced that she would be vegetarian and she hasn't had any problems, she is twenty nine now and in good health.
Wishing everyone well.
K.
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No 1 is knocking food choices. I wouldn't buy 'substitutes' though ..........
The best food is fresh. Whether it be Veg., fruits or meat/fish. I love raw veg. ........... and we cook our caulis etc. by bringing them to the boil, adding salt and switching off. Same when roasting, rather under than over ;)
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That's exactly right. If a food product contains a long list of extras I give it a wide berth. That's all.
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That'll be caterpillars and greenfly then :rofl: :bbq:
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And slugs, UCK. :P
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:-X :sick02: - however, finding half a slug is worse :o
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No.2 son tells me that chickpeas are very high in protein, so and recipe with those in is good. Also any of the nut butters.
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It was only because stella started this thread because she wanted help with some veggie food,not meat & quorn isn't an unhelpful choice,the little chunks are full of protein,low salt & no saturated fat,great substitute for say chicken, I would never sit down to a ready meal,veggie or meat,now they ARE full of additives.
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It was only because stella started this thread because she wanted help with some veggie food,not meat & quorn isn't an unhelpful choice,the little chunks are full of protein,low salt & no saturated fat,great substitute for say chicken, I would never sit down to a ready meal,veggie or meat,now they ARE full of additives.
Okay, sorry you are upset but I still don't see why. Food is food. You don't like meat and I don't like additives. Truce, I hope.
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We cooked a whole chicken last week and had a carcase and bits left so I suggested putting it into the slow cooker with chick peas or lentils and the rest of the roasted veggies. We were watching MotoGP all weekend on TV so it did us well without needing to think about what to eat, which would be quick.
Pancakes tonight. Those can be served anyhow though I stick to lots of white sugar and lemon juice. DH used to cook a layered meal of pancakes with ready cooked mince/peas/veg in between each layer with a slice of cheese - put into the oven it made the cheese melt. Very filling 8)
One could avoid meat in the above. Now squash in season can be yummy too. Roasted: seeds removed, cut into large chunks with olive oil and black pepper is lovely and can be eaten cold or chopped and stir fried if there's any left the next day. We grew a squash in 2016 - it rambled all over the garden :o :D
The above is from a person who never cooks ;D
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Especially if they enjoy cooking. The mix can be made in good time and keeps a couple of days in the fridge ;).
Cooking should be fun but I've never found it so :-\. Can't even watch cooking programmes, >yawn<. Though we did get into bake-off ::)
A slight meander: when students in the 1970s it was common to go into 'health' food stores: we took 1lb jam jars 2 fill with peanut butter, sunflower oil, rice ....... we could buy as much as we required to keep us going. We also shopped late at night when market stall holders were keen to get rid of veg as well as end of foods. We didn't have a freezer for years so used a lot of tinned products. [we have a thread somewhere about that too ;D].
Occasionally we go out for a pizza. Went off fish and chips unless made at home. Fish fingers I suppose is the one product we buy but avoid TV meals ....... as DH can cook them himself as we have stuff in the freezer. Mixed fruits and nuts to hand as snacks I love Brazils which I think have 'selenium' in them? It's about filling up kids, ain't it, I remember having hollow legs :D
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I don't know why that's a truce!!! I don't like meat NOR additives,if you look online at quorn chunks or mince,they've no additives,I'm not on here to argue but one thing I do know about is vegetarianism & nutrition & I only came on to help Stella out
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Cauliflower cheese/macaroni cheese? Leek pie ( leeks, mushrooms in cheese sauce with sliced potoaotes on top topped with tomatoes and cheese/breadcrumbs/herbs baked in the oven (topping also for cauli cheese).
Yes to Quorn products as meat substitute if you're wanting to cook the same food you usually do and if she's happy about meat texture. I realise this is highly processed (mycoprotein) but has high nutritional value. I sometimes use it in spag bol, chili con carne ( no carne or reduced carne!), lasagne etc - it's very tasty if you put loads of tom sauce, herbs, soy sauce and veg in these dishes and the veg is more disguised. Maybe Enchildadas with Quorn instead of chicken?
Any amount of beans and pulses - Asian recipes - not meat substitues but a whole world of yummy dishes waiting to be discovered along with the various spcies and sauces that help make them tasty. Egg curry, spinach dhal, chapattis, cucumber raita, Chinese and Thai beany dishes etc etc
Yes to savoury pancakes - never had Quorn "chicken" but savoury pancakes filled with "chicken" and mushroom sauce - not tried this though....only with actual chicken.
Quiches, cheese souffles etc....
Many reasons to go veggie - not liking meat, not agreeing with animals being kept for slaughter, health reasons (reducing fat intake) and environmental reasons (meat is more energy intensive and less good for our planet at the rate and quantity we consume so eating less of it will help the planet). What your reasons are will determine what you choose to eat instead!
Each to their own - as long as it's balanced, nutrituous and tasty and ideally not highly processed - so Quorn etc in moderation (would be boring to have it all the time anyway!).
Hurdity x
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Exactly hurdity,it's a great source of protein,which veggies definitely need,I personally never make the same meal twice in any month, I use quorn maybe once or twice a week,just a little,the recipes are endless, I basically make the same for me as I do my OH but just skip the meat in mine,bit hard when I'm cooking him a steak mind you but usually it's not difficult,Chinese stir fries are great but don't think Stella's grandchild likes veg,haha that could cause a bit of a problem but when my daughter was very young I made lots of soups and blitzed them & she never knew 😊
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Enchildadas ..... sounds like a scaley animal that lives in a burrow ;D
We are lucky to have the choice. Many rely on a bowl of rice and sometimes with meat added in the way of weevils etc.. Also, if we dug up our grazing land it wouldn't help as it often isn't suitable to grow anthying else on - particularly where sheeps are grazed.
Kids go through phases ...... put a mix on the plate, no comment at what is eaten/not.
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I'm not arguing,you haven't given Stella one good bit of advice unlike everyone else and you're one to speak on the euro thread,god forbid anyone who disagrees with you,it's only you who is arguing about quorn. I won't tell you anything about meat and don't you tell me anything about being veggie
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As another meander: when ever I read 'quorn' I think of the local Hunting fraternity ::) as in 'out with the ......... ' which is probably why I would never consider it a food source ;). Now, would I know if I were served up quorn ......... without onions of course. Which brings me to another topic ........
As a recovering anorexic: and knowing that many across the World do not have food choices: we need to eat what we fancy, try new receipts, :-\ ::) - discard what we don't enjoy ........... and when I think back to the 1950s, there wasn't a choice. It was take it or leave it. We ate 3 good meals a day which was usually home grown and home cooked or bartered :D. Very few treats in-between meals. Sweets were for fallen over when we hurt our knees or when we had been really good .........
Enough already!
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I'm not arguing,you haven't given Stella one good bit of advice unlike everyone else and you're one to speak on the euro thread,god forbid anyone who disagrees with you,it's only you who is arguing about quorn. I won't tell you anything about meat and don't you tell me anything about being veggie
Your out of order jaypo. I suggest you calm down and stop being aggressive.
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Enough ? :-X
Think of Syria etc.. We have choices ;)
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I haven't an aggressive bone in my body shady,I came on here offering Stella some advice and all you did was state non facts,you can say whatever you want but I've to stay quiet?
I suggest we just ignore one another from now on
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One of you needs to stop .......... we have choices when and how much to eat. Unlike people in War zones or those visiting Food Banks. We have access to medication, fresh water, fresh air, clean clothes, electricity 24/7.
......... and breath.
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Well I did try and call a truce and had it thrown back in my face. >:(
That really is my lot. :neutral:
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Hush! Breath.
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Shady,there's no need for this,I know we're menopausal but really?you called a truce but then implied I liked additives,not really a truce.anyway, I'm really not aggressive,far from it.so let's just go our separate ways,I wish you well
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I didn't imply anything, that's just how you read it.
Thank goodness I'm going away.
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Right well that's it then,truce
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>:(. I suggest that we all watch The Choir tonight - BBC 2, 9.00 p.m.
Might bring a bit of reality to what goes on around us!