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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: Lanzalover on February 06, 2019, 09:45:38 AM

Title: State 2nd pension
Post by: Lanzalover on February 06, 2019, 09:45:38 AM
The earlier thread about State pensions got me thinking ( I know very dangerous)

8 years ago DH and I both got a state pension forecast which showed how much our current pension was and how much they expected it to be at normal retirement age.
DH showed he would get the full state pension plus a state second pension of £50 pw however yesterday when he checked on line it's only showing the basic pension the other has just disappeared I knew they had stopped the state second pension in favour of a standard amount for everyone but surely they can't take away something you have paid for !!!!


We have both completed the forms to get a paper copy of the current forecast which I'm just off to post
But if anyone knows anything about this could you advise please.

Many thanks
Lanzalover x
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: Shadyglade on February 06, 2019, 10:07:53 AM
I will ask my husband. He opted out of part of his pension into surps, or something. He will also get a reduced amount.

Most of this is beyond me ::)
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: AgathaC on February 06, 2019, 10:23:07 AM
Hi ladies,
www.pensionsadvisoryservice.org.uk
Is a very helpful free service.
Lots of info you can read through, plus a helpline, etc.
Hope it helps xx
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: Shadyglade on February 06, 2019, 10:48:48 AM
Thanks Agatha,

Re my post, it is SIPS not SURPS, or  SERPS apparently.


https://www.gov.uk/additional-state-pension

This is the reliant web page. 
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: Ju Ju on February 06, 2019, 12:29:21 PM
I prefer surps!
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: Shadyglade on February 06, 2019, 01:16:57 PM
 ;D I know. Truth is I haven't got a clue what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: Lanzalover on February 06, 2019, 01:38:37 PM
Thanks for the links Shadyglade and Agatha I've had a quick look but can't seem to find the answer to my question. But that's probably me I find it all rather confusing. Perhaps I need surp of something  ;D

The forms are now in the post so I'll just wait and see what figures they come up with.
Still annoyed about the changes made to the age you qualify for your pension ( six years in my case and a year in DH case) so we won't be happy if  we've also lost that.


Lanzalover x






Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: Ju Ju on February 06, 2019, 01:57:17 PM
;D I know. Truth is I haven't got a clue what I'm talking about.

Welcome to my world! I get my pension in September. I don't know how much as I can't bear to look I'm one of the ‘54 birthdays, so if I was 3 months older, I would have got my pension earlier.
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: katsclaws on February 06, 2019, 02:02:10 PM
The idea behind removing SERPS was to equalise the state pension. Under SERPS the additional pension paid was based on NI contributions so benefitted higher earners.
I've worked 40 years full time and I'm not pleased that I have to wait until 66 to get my pension instead of getting it at 60.
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: Shadyglade on February 06, 2019, 03:32:47 PM
Me too katclaws.

That why I am going to to make sure I get the full wack at 66.
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: jillydoll on February 06, 2019, 04:02:36 PM
I'm the same shadyglade.....no clue whatsoever.... :rofl:

I leave it to OH to sort out......😉😐
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: Pennyfarthing on February 06, 2019, 08:46:06 PM
It takes just seconds to check on the Govt website. 
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: Lanzalover on February 07, 2019, 07:00:00 AM
That's where he checked PF and all it shows is the full current pension of £164 pw . The state second pension which is shown on the two previous paper copies isn't there !!!

I'll update when we receive the paper copy.

Lanzalover x
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: Dotty on February 07, 2019, 07:55:05 AM
The 2 pensions were all brought into one in the state pension changes a couple of years ago. X
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: jillydoll on February 07, 2019, 07:58:17 AM
Yes Dotty.
That's what my OH said.
So what you see is what you get....
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: Dotty on February 07, 2019, 08:47:04 AM
I've got a few more years to wait Jillydoll .......
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: jillydoll on February 07, 2019, 10:34:31 AM
Me too Dotty.....

I'm only 21.....😄
In my head anyway...😉
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: CLKD on February 07, 2019, 02:55:24 PM
I had a Very Nice Letter in November asking me whether I would like to defer my Pension payments or apply.  Well as the Government deferred my payments on my behalf :bang:  3 years ago I have to wait until March anyway - don't know what I will get each month so it will be a suprise.

Now, what to spend it on. Jewellery, bubble bath, new towels, bird food  8) - watch this space?
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: Taz2 on February 07, 2019, 03:58:11 PM
I have three months to go until I get mine which works out not much less than I take home now but I still can't decide on whether to retire or not! I'm claiming the pension anyway.

Taz x
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: CLKD on February 07, 2019, 06:08:59 PM
I claim everything I am entitled to ;-) 'cos the Government would much prefer that we die prior to getting it as it means more in their kitty  :-X

My NHS Pension is £1,200 per year after 8 years minus 1 months work  >:(  ::).  That's two deliveries of heating oil then so I'm doing my bit  :D
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: Lanzalover on February 07, 2019, 06:16:21 PM
Pleased to hear you're going to claim your pension Taz 2 unless you're mega wealthy why  would anyone defer claiming ? Especially women who had thought they would qualify at 60 until they moved the goal post.
I will definitely be claiming mine if I get to 66  :o


Lanzalover x


Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: CLKD on February 07, 2019, 06:19:54 PM
You will get there -  ;)
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: Lanzalover on February 07, 2019, 07:37:40 PM
Thank you CLKD have you been looking in your crysta ball again  ;D

Lanzalover x
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: Pennyfarthing on February 07, 2019, 07:45:01 PM
I know a lot of women my age who have died before they even reach pension age so I would never recommend deferring.  get it while you can is my motto.
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: CLKD on February 07, 2019, 09:48:21 PM
Why?  When a person pays into both then it is OUR money  :poke2:  Mum certainly doesn't get less: a teacher's Pension, part of Dad's teacher's Pension plus his Government Pension after he died. 
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: Taz2 on February 08, 2019, 12:05:15 AM
I've got an occupational pension but will still receive £164 a week which I think is the full amount? I'm not sure how you're supposed to pay rent of £1000 a month out of that if you're not lucky enough to own your own home mortgage-free?

Taz x
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: Shadyglade on February 08, 2019, 08:44:23 AM
Private pensions do not reduce your state pension. They are separate.
Title: Re: State 2nd pension
Post by: katsclaws on February 08, 2019, 08:50:53 AM
Taz, I think when you reach state pension age you can claim benefits towards rent etc. if your income is below a certain level. This is another reason why the increase in state pension age causes problems for people who have to wait several extra years to get their pension.  It is also another reason why state pension age is increasing so that benefit payments can be reduced.