Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: Patricia on May 14, 2018, 09:45:13 AM
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Hello ladies,
Just a quick query , I have started using Vagifem and I'm wondering now if it is ok to do so with my HRT regime - Mirena coil and Estrogel?
Probably seems a daft question but you know how you can start over thinking stuff and worrying 🙄 ... Thank you 😘 Patxx
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Absolutely! Go for it Pat. Vagifem just gives a small amount of estrogen directly to the area needed it won't affect your regime at all.
Good luck
Robin
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Patricia, I throw the whole lot at my VA. As well as the Estring for internal use I use estriol cream externally and Oestrogel as my systemic product. A lot of women need the full works, so it won't be a problem adding in Vagifem.
JP x
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Hi JP hope your well x.can I ask do you find that the estring is an added bonus if your suffering from prolapse.would it make a difference to that or is the size of it not comparable to prolapse support rings.x
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I've found my prolapse has improved since using estring and hrt together Daisydot. Everything has plumped up and pulled back in, tmi 🙈
Robin x
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That's great Robin so pleased it's helping you.i have the nhs gynie on the 24th so I'll tackle her about changing to it.xx
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I should probably have added that I haven't needed to use support rings so don't have anything to compare to size wise but I have all 3 types of prolapse
Robin x
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Yes when I'm down there with that demon mirror I'm sure I'm seeing more than I'd like to be seeing lol.ill not be surprised when gynie confirms prolapse but surgery not happening so like you if estring has multiple benefits I'll hit it that way.thanks again robin.still using eye wipes got consultant on 22nd mays a busy month for me lol.
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The Estring has been ok for me, helps with urgency and frequency, as do pelvic floor exercises, but can't comment on prolapse as don't have one. Still get blips externally but using Ovestin and generic estriol more often now. It was probably my own fault for slacking off with those.
JP x
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Thank you ladies xxxx
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Joaniepat, you sound like me, I throw everything at my Va too, oestrogel and Mirena, estring, estriole even had a course of Mona Lisa laser treatment, which helped improve skin quality, still get occasional flare ups though, even with all the above, and without missing using any of it,
Having a sore time at the moment, had been good for ages, an then for no parent reason it flares up....it's for life unfortunately and it's the pits 😟
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Hi Ljp, fun isn't it ::). Sorry to hear you are having a flare-up and I do hope it calms down soon. I was thinking of having the MLT myself. Did you find it was worth doing?
JP x
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Joaniepat, yes I think it has definitely improved the skin quality, it was very thin and would do,it easily before, and using oestrogen cream used to sting, it dies t now, but I still have to be careful as i think it can cause the skin around my bottom to react.
I use emu oil mostly to keep things comfortable, but when I do get an unexpected flare up, it still panics me, and still dont know what use to help, as I use estring, oestrogel, estriole/ovestin, and emu oil daily.
I try upping the e tee also cream, but that can make skin around my bottom very sore, so I try sudocrem around bottom as a barrier, today I am just using emu oil, and hoping it will settle things down in a couple of days....just need a regime to follow that works, one for maintenance, one for flare ups 😢
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Ljp, glad to hear you found the MLT useful, I'll start saving now! Wish I knew what causes these flair ups, it's hard to know what to do. By coincidence I have just ordered some emu oil, it seems quite popular, so was interested to hear you find it good. I've also ordered some V Magic, one of maryjane's recommendations. Have you tried hydromol ointment as a barrier for the rear end? It is a bit like lard at first but softens up ok. It was recommended to me by a dermatologist.
I saw on another thread that you were concerned about having to stop HRT at 60. I was taken off oestrogen years ago due to the health scares around in the early noughties (totally unnecessary!) but went back on it last year aged 67. So when the time comes, don't let them deprive you. There are women around who use it well into their eighties.
JP x
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Thank you for that Joaniepat, I've nit tried hydramol, but will look for it, how strange, I ordered vmagic yesterday! 😊 hope it works for us
The emu oil has been a god send for me, always so soothing
Intersting that you were able to go back on HRT at 67, my gp said risks outweigh benefits after 60, but she also has a lady still on HRT at 82!
Can't see how I could cope with all the VA issues without hormonal help.
I'm 53 x
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I have a Miren, use three pumps of Estrogel and Vagifem every day plus ovestin cream a few times a week, just to control the awful VA!
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Very similar to me Tinkerbell, I use three pumps oestrogel, have Mirena, only difference is I have estring in continually rather than using vagifem...I've also had Mona Lisa laser treatment, and I use ovestin or estriole cream externally.
The external skin is by far the worst for me, and I still get flare ups with that, the skin around my bottom gets particularly sore....I use ovestin to help vulva area and urethra, but I think after using it daily for a while, it irritates the external skin....well I'm gyessing that's what's doing it, no idea really! 😟
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Hi ljp, I found the estrogen creams caused more problems than they solved which is why I changed to estring. If I use anything else at all it just flares up again. I had to grit my teeth for a few days and force myself not to use anything but estring but the relief was immense very quickly. Things aren't perfect but I didn't think they could be this much better. I've tried several times to use the estrogen creams externally but get a bad reaction if I do. I have to change my estring more often than 3 months as I seem to absorb the estrogen quickly and it runs out and symptoms return. I'm really interested in the Mona Lisa laser treatment. Does it help thicken the areas of thin skin?
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Hi Robin,
I was like that, couldn't tolerate external cream, even though I know it's of benefit....since having the Mona Lisa treatment, the skin quality is so much better, I used to get splits in the skin before, at least I can use estriole cream or ovestin around the perineum and vulva now, BUT I do still get outside skin flare ups (without be too graphic, the area where the hair grows)and that gets sore, rashy, and itchy, and the skin around my bottom too.
There's one area that's always susceptible and that the outside skin where the bartholins glands are, don't think Mona Lisa treats the outside skin, and certainly doesn't treat the skin around the bottom, so although the vulva and vagina are so much improved, and able to be maintained with estring, estriole/ovestin and emu oil....the outer areas, and skin around my bottom, remain sensitive to the oestrogen creams and continue to have flare ups....that's my theory, but I will ask when I go for my top up Mona Lisa treatment this week
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Hi Ljp,
That sounds very good. I've googled Mona Lisa touch but all the clinics seem to be in London. Is that where you have had your treatment?
Thanks
Robin x
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Hi Daisydot,
sorry I missed your post. The estring is definitely worth trying. It's made a huge difference to me. Glad the wipes are helping it's just a pity they don't cure it. I haven't managed to get the gel yet but I will soon and will let you know how I get on.
Robin x
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Yes London, I have to take a train x
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Hi Robin, I think I might need to change my estring more regularly too, thinking about it, I changed it two weeks early last time as I was getting irritation.
It's now 4 weeks before change is due, and I e been uncomfortable for about a week, I'm wondering whether to change it to see if it helps.
Bloomin soreness, always the outer lips area worse.
I do have a top up Mona Lisa treatment this Friday.... but concerned as I know it will potentially make things worse before it gets better again 😟
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Morning Ljp,
It might be worth changing now. Your response to doing that will let you know if it's worth changing sooner in future. If you do change please will you let me know how you get on?
I've made enquiries about Mona Lisa to see which clinics offer it and cost etc so waiting to see if they get back to me. How long is the recovery time after each treatment? It's the outer area that I find most uncomfortable and tears so easily. If it would prevent the tearing I would give it a go. Depending on cost of course however I think some days I'd sell everything I own to have the opportunity to sort that out.
Good luck for Friday. I will be thinking of you and wishing you well.
Thank you for responding to my questions I really appreciate it
Robin x
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Hi Robin, I've sent you a private message 😊