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Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: Tempest on June 29, 2017, 11:12:11 AM
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Now this is interesting (this is just one source, there is much research out there if you want to read further).
http://www.jigsawhealth.com/blog/drug-muggers-suzy-cohen-magnesium
(scroll down the list and you will see estrogens in HRT listed).
Magnesium deficiency causes anxiety, nervousness, insomnia, crashing fatigue, muscle aches and twitching and a racing heart. (There are also many other symptoms). I personally have just tested as severely deficient and am now supplementing with magnesium glycinate. Magnesium also becomes more depleted in the body as we age.
I hope some of you may find this interesting. xxxxx
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Thanks Tempest - sorry to hear you were deficient in magnesium. However I do think most of us should be able to get more than enough magnesium we need from our diet - and this is advised by NHS. I have come across this idea before (of being robbed of certain nutrients). If we take oestrogen we are replacing less than we would normally produce when younger - and all our bodily processes require nutrients and minerals to work, and therefore as I see it, we are in a constant state of depleting everything which has to be constantly replenished! This particular site is trying to sell supplements (and is American - where these ideas often originate) so personally I would be wary of reading too much into this - but if you have found other studies I would be interested to read them!
I hope you are feeling better anyway Tempest! :)
Hurdity x
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I too take magnesium as recommended by my friend who has a PhD in nutrition.
It has made a huge difference to me, from easing muscle spasms, bowel issues to helping sleep!
Hope it helps you too Tempest!
Xx
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Interesting. I'd read that estrogen highs cause magnesium to crash so it makes sense. Would like to read more on this if anyone has any links? I take some magnesium but not sure that it is enough.
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Thanks for that. I too have read this,also my gp mentioned taking magnesium supplements,she also suggested Q10.
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Thanks! My ENT has strongly recommended Magnesium for migraines as we can't do anything about them and I just can't stop HRT. I really think there is a link...
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There is a great book called The MAD diet which explains how deficiencies including of magnesium are affecting women.
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Thank you, ladies!
You might also like this research regarding how magnesium supplementation boosts free and total testosterone:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20352370
I know a dear lady who is undergoing chemo. for stage 4 ovarian cancer at the moment and was severely magnesium deficient (chemo.is notorious for this anyway). Despite being terminal at age 30, she has found it has greatly boosted her energy levels and muscle strength and has just completed a 15km run (she's not on any HRT as she is estrogen positive). She really is a remarkable lassie! She's 17 months post surgery now, 7 organs removed. xxxxx
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Youre absolutely right, nearly50! Dr Elizabeth Vliet of 'Screaming To Be Heard' fame always supplements magnesium with estrogen for this very reason, and I can attach other evidence based research to prove this. xxxxx
Julation, this is correct about migraines too. Also, magnesium helps to safeguard against the clotting effects of estrogen. Again, there is good evidence based research about this out there. xxxxx
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I had a constant headache which I now only get occasionally since I started to take magnesium. I feel as if I'm through the worst of peri (touch wood) so I suppose it might be down to that, but I'm not about to stop taking it to find out!
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I use a magnesium spray. Wouldn't be without it.
It is so difficult to get everything from diet alone these days.
Very interesting, thank you Tempest
Mrs Brown
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You're most welcome, Mrs B! Especially as the soil foods are grown in in the modern age is largely magnesium depleted.
Also worth noting is that magnesium supplementation via IV is VITAL in the treatment of heart attacks. This isn't 'just another mineral'! xxxxx
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I initially started to use magnesium spray to help with horrible palpitations but discovered that it helped with aches and pains and general well being.
Perhaps more could be gained from organic foods but that is a very expensive way to live.
Mrs Brown
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Thanks Tempest, interesting links as ever!!
I was prescribed magnesium a couple of times by migraine specialists as it is found to have been beneficial in studies for the treatment of menstrual migraine. Despite my diet being rich in nuts, seeds, and lots of leafy green veg which I eat daily, the benefits were found only at high dose supplementation and that was recommended. I was told that a 2 hour window was needed if taking some ABs though so check the labels girls.
I continue to take magnesium in a joint and bone supplement, that too was recommended by my medics.
Thanks again Tempest - keep those study papers coming. We'll all be sitting our BSc Biology shortly! ;) x
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I have an excellent diet and I was STILL deficient, ER so it just goes to show!
Chronic stress (be it physical, mental or both) depletes magnesium like no one's business. I highly recommend everyone struggling (and especially the surgical menopause ladies) top up their magnesium. You can't 'overdo it' with magnesium, with the exception of getting diarrhoea if you take masses of it orally or the wrong type (magnesium citrate is rather brutal on the tummy)!
Ladies with hair loss despite taking HRT might also be interested to know that this can be caused by low magnesium, so it's definitely worth a go in their case unless another cause has been identified.
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Tempest would you be able to recommend a good magnesium supplement please?
I've struggled with so much stress and anxiety plus I've just entered surgical menopause and I've been looking at various supplements because my appetite isn't great xxx
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Such a wealth of info about magnesium - wow! Lots of food for thought. I assumed I was getting enough but maybe not! :o
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Thank you, ladies!
You might also like this research regarding how magnesium supplementation boosts free and total testosterone:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20352370
I know a dear lady who is undergoing chemo. for stage 4 ovarian cancer at the moment and was severely magnesium deficient (chemo.is notorious for this anyway). Despite being terminal at age 30, she has found it has greatly boosted her energy levels and muscle strength and has just completed a 15km run (she's not on any HRT as she is estrogen positive). She really is a remarkable lassie! She's 17 months post surgery now, 7 organs removed. xxxxx
Interesting study Tempest! However the abstract at least did not state whether the study participants were deficient or not in Magnesium at the start of the study - as this would be relevant to the findings. Also they were men so I wonder how far the results could be generalised to women ::)
Tempest maybe you are taking some of the drugs that do cause increased magnesium metabolism/excretion or affect gut absorption, which could have led to deficiency?
Claireylou if your diet is lacking due to poor appetite you could be deficient in lots of things so maybe should take a generalised vitamin and mineral supplement if you are not eating much?
Elisabethrose - some members on here already have Biology degrees and even D Phils...!
The use of Magnesium for medicinal purposes - migraine, joint pain, indigestion etc is a different matter (than the general need for supplementation due to dietary deficiency or if taking oestrogen for example) - but interesting!
I did read a paper today about Magnesium which said that the absorption rate varies according to the magnesium concentration in the blood serum - so that at high (body) levels less is absorbed (from diet and other sources), and when intake is low, more is absorbed. This would make evolutionary sense! Also that 60 % of magnesium is stored in bone, and blood tests do not necessarily correlate with total magnesium on the body - but are the best we have along with symptoms - as an indication of magnesium status in the body.
If you are otherwise healthy and not taking a lot of different drugs, then I would still want to ensure my diet was full of magnesium rich foods to prevent deficiency - very easy to do - whole grains, nuts, beans and green leafy veg - easy to eat lots of these!
Anyway all interesting stuff - Tempest! :)
Hurdity x
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Hurdity re your comment 'Elisabethrose - some members on here already have Biology degrees and even D Phils...!'
Yes I'm perfectly aware of some members qualifications, it's surprising what we all know about each other, however, what is the relevance of that here in this discussion?
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You mentioned that we'd "all be sitting our BSc Biology shortly" - and I know of members who would not need to! My reply is as relevant as your comment! No big deal! Most members do not reveal their qualifications - but you do get to know some members by pm.
Hurdity
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I take magnesium supplements on and off and when I'm off the toe/foot/finger spasms are ridiculously annoying and painful, and I won't even start about the great effect the supplements have with my poo habits !!!
Sparkle your PPIs are renowned for depleting B12, be aware x
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Hurdity, I was joking about the fact that we are all self-educating. I was wondering at the relevance of you telling everyone your qualifications, in a round about way. As you've stated on here many times, most recently to Freckles, our backgrounds and education are irrelevant on this forum. We are all equal.
Yes I know many members by PM, but also many members outside of the forum. We are all of us much more recognisable than you clearly realise.
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Hi, Claireylou!
I take 'Your Supplements' Magnesium Glycinate which you can buy via Amazon (my specialist recommended, though). They are high absorption, low fillers so very gentle on the system. xxxxx
Step up your magnesium, Annie! It has circulatory benefits too. xxxxx
Hurdity, I'm on no other medications at all these days. All I have taken until approximately 3 months ago were antihistamines, but curiously no longer need them as I no longer have rhinitis/urticaria since I had my oopherectomy. Dr. Vliet confirms in her studies that magnesium does have benefit in increasing available testosterone in women - I was going to link to her research as well but didn't want the thread to become too 'academically heavy, and I trust the lovely ladies here can do their own research if they want/need to find out more.
As I stated before, dietary sources of magnesium at sufficient levels to support us as we age can be difficult to achieve (and periods of stress such as menopause further depletes magnesium). Foods today are just not as magnesium rich as they were when we used to grow our own or bought them from local farms. Soil has become depleted by over farming and modern agricultural farming methods and use of pesticides etc. to ensure 'high yield' crops. We're just not getting the nutrients from our foods today that our grandparents and parents were previously, sadly. xxxxx
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Thanks so much Tempest, hubby has just ordered me some xxx :)
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Thanks Tempest, that is very interesting. I was advised to take magnesium and B12 supplements by Professor Anne MacGregor for migraines. She suggested a high dose of both and there is no way I could get enough of either just by changing my diet. I have noticed a real difference particularly with the magnesium, my digestive system has improved no end.
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That's wonderful news, Mary G! Yes, it was my Prof. of Edincronology who diagnosed my deficiency. Magnesium really is a marvellous, recognised and approved treatment to aid migraines. xxxxx
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Tempest, it's definitely worth a go and I hope it works for you too!
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I was going to post a link to the Wiki page or some such on magnesium deficiency symptoms for anyone interested, but I figure you can do this for yourselves if you like. :)
But I DID find this interesting DM article which I thought you might like:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2755576/Is-magnesium-deficiency-making-ILL-From-nausea-exhaustion-osteoporosis-surprising-cause.html
The specialist states that magnesium deficiency can be difficult to diagnose, and what else is interesting is that I have seen SO MANY ladies here at MM complaining of the very symptoms mentioned in this article (me included).
I hope some of you find this interesting - magnesium may very well be a missing element that can help you feel more balanced at this difficult time whether you take HRT or not and after all, that's all we're hoping for. xxxxx
Oh, and P.S. - there are academic studies out there (which I won't bore you with) that state that magnesium can reduce hot flushes too by up to 50%. It's all to do with ACTH which is a stress hormone that's released during hot flushes. Worth knowing..... ;)
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My ENT said more than 500 mg a day. So the high dose needed is in fact right. Its between 500 mg and 1 g per day to make it work. Because it gives me bad GI side effects, I started very low (100 mg) and increased slowly.
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I struggle to take supplements, can barely remember my thryoid tablets, would bathing in Epsom Salts boost the magnesium levels in ones body or does it have to be in supplement form. I will try eating more pumpkin seeds & nuts.
Its lovely to know that there are so many knowledgeable ladies on this forum, I find it most comforting and nice to know that there are those with many years studying and reseach behind their name always willing to help no matter how trivial the query may be.
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Julation, the Magnesium Glycinate is the gentler on the tummy. :) xxxxx
Epsom salts are a good way of getting magnesium, Cassie. You could also try a spray which you use on the skin like Mrs. Brown uses - a well known chain of health food stores sells a good one. ;) xxxxx
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And what is your dosage Tempest? I'll try to find the Glycinate one.
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You can get the Glycinate from Amazon, Julation - I mentioned the brand I use earlier. :)
I'm dosing 100mg twice daily at present to start (I was advised to go slow at first), rising to 200mg twice daily - 400mg is the RDA. xxxxx
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Tempest, thank you so much for this information. Mine will be here tomorrow. I think I'll do as you say and start low xxx
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Be careful you don't take too much to start as it can cause loose bowels.
Hence me using a spray. I spray it on warm skin just after my shower and then give it time to dry before I get dressed. It can sting a bit so I generally spray on my legs, tummy and arms avoiding anywhere that could be sensitive.
The forum is a real fund of knowledge but as Elizabethrose says unless we are all careful then we can quite easily be recognised.
Mrs Brown
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That's brilliant, Claireylou! :)
I do so hope you find that they are beneficial to you. Hubby has just pointed out that the DM also published an article just yesterday about a study using magnesium for depression. The results were extremely favourable! It's amazing how much this mineral can do, and how so many of us may benefit from it for so many reasons.
The glycinate is much gentler on the bowels, Mrs. B - but it's a good idea to start slow. There are several types of magnesium - citrate, glycinate, glutamate (this one is not good) and taurate (the most expensive)! The spray is a great way to go too, I agree. I know some users have experienced itching with the sprays - there are now 'sensitive' versions of these too now, fortunately. :)
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That's interesting as I always thought Magnesium raised oestrogen levels as when I used to take them for slow transit, I would feel good for a couple of days and then really low and depressed.
After trying oestrogen HRT I had the same feeling but maybe they both just trigger migraine mood issues in me?
I did try to supplement calcium (in case my magnesium levels were too high) a few years ago but they also made me feel bad a couple of days in. As did Vit D which made me swell up all over.
I do envy people who can take supplements as I used to benefit from them when younger. Perhaps I'm just too sensitive and better with gentler homeopathic remedies now.
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Also, there's a book called the 'Magnesium Miracle' you may be interested in. Hope it works for you all!
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I read your comment ElizabethR as tongue in cheek ;D
I have used high dose magnesium (can't remember the dose nor how often) for getting rid of a persistent cough reflex. About 6/7 of us in the middle 1990s had persistent coughs following dreadful colds: for 3-4 months and as musicians it was very embarrassing ........... within a few days of swallowing high dose magnesium capsules which are HUGE the cough stopped. The others were still coughing so a couple tried and found that ti worked for them too; however, 4 me it worked on my bowels 2 :o
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Maybe if one supplements with minerals and the body has enough, then 1 may well become unwell :-\. Certain minerals take a while to filter through the kidneys which will expel most thing not required by the body. Pity we can't be see-through and watch what is happening :-\ :-X
Epsom salts is relaxing. Granny swore by it for sore feet or in the bath, as well as mustard for a foot bath. Zinc and Castor oil. Lots of salt on veg to stop muscle cramps.
It doesn't matter whether food is organic or not, it's the time taken from field to plate that is important! Also how much fruits and veg. we eat daily as well as a regular exercise pattern - we are hunter gatherers and still built to hunter-gather ;). Then someone decided to build a house so the animals had to be tethered or in a field ::). I digress :whist:
How many of you stick to regular eating times rather than eating when the body is hungry, even in the night? Some medications prescribe for indigestion can have dire effects on the rest of the system :( (Dr James le Fanue, Daily Telegraph ).
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Tempest thank you - informative and helpful and definitely worth sharing. Correct me if I'm wrong ;) but I thought the point of this forum was to share knowledge gained through personal experiences? :-\
You know I am not the least bit interested in what your backgrounds or areas of expertise are - just that you are on the same path as me and that you are willing to share and pass on what you have learned - I am able to make an informed choice and do my own research from there on in.
It's not helpful when there are women reading this ( including me) who have no history of this forum and the politics that may have developed with people who have been members for quite some time.
What is helpful is that a woman will share and bare her soul with us. And will tell us what she has learned coming out of that experience that appears to be helping her. And to back that up with some research so that we can explore further if it resonates with us personally.
I for one am very grateful for this information. Thank you
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I'm very grateful for everything that I've learned on here :)
I'm looking forward to giving them a go. If they work, marvellous. If they don't, at least I've tried.
I've done a bit of reading up on Magnesium since this thread started and it really is interesting :)
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Thanks again tempest, have ordered mine from amazon now - I've recently changed to a magnesium, zinc and calcium supplement and noticed that there isn't as much magnesium as there was in my old supplement. Maybe that's why I've had neck and knee pain again in the past few days.
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One tip I can give (based on others I know who've taken it too), keep up the daily dose as if you skip a day you may get cramps in your fingers and toes. I think it's because Magnesium relaxes the muscles so when you suddenly stop higher doses you get a rebound effect.
I used to love very hot epson salt baths (but they also affected my mood later on as did the sprays) and all types of supplementation is great for sleep for those who find it difficult to relax.
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DM - good tip - I was taking high dose in/off as well as Epsom baths - stopped everything last week - prob should have stayed in magnesium!
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You are all so very welcome. :)
I just go by 'suck it and see'. I thought HRT would be the answer to all my woes (it isn't, for me personally - and also for other lovely ladies who shared their experiences on the 'road less travelled' thread). It can help, of course - but some ladies have also not done so well on HRT and some can't take it at all due to cancer or other medical conditions.
There is so much change going on in our bodies at this time of life, and anything that can help - HRT or not - is worth considering in my opinion. I just share my experiences, and back it up with a few links for the 'academically inclined', as it were. We're all smart women here and each person is different - we are all big girls! :) We're just trying to get through this the best we can and with the least discomfort.
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I did woodwork at school.......does that count ;D ;D. for academic qualifications
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Absolutely, Mrs B! If I need some carpentry done, I'll know where to come. ;D ;D ;) xxxxx
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That's interesting as I always thought Magnesium raised oestrogen levels as when I used to take them for slow transit, I would feel good for a couple of days and then really low and depressed.
After trying oestrogen HRT I had the same feeling but maybe they both just trigger migraine mood issues in me?
I did try to supplement calcium (in case my magnesium levels were too high) a few years ago but they also made me feel bad a couple of days in. As did Vit D which made me swell up all over.
I do envy people who can take supplements as I used to benefit from them when younger. Perhaps I'm just too sensitive and better with gentler homeopathic remedies now.
Dangermouse I think we've discussed before that as women reach late stage peri things can start to calm. I've already found that some of my peri developed reactivity/allergies have calmed. Hopefully the same thing will happen with your migraine and reactivity. We all need to cross that invisible meno line!! Then it's party time!! x
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I have started my M as well this morning! Very low dose to start with. As I said, I have visited my ENT for bad ear ringing and he thinks I have vestibular migraines. He went to a congress last month and they talked about Magnesium and migraines. He told me to start using it to see if it helps (did great for his own wife). At this point everything is more than welcome. Lets keep us posted with any improvement. I know it can take weeks but, I'm not going anywhere!!!! ;D
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Wonderful news, Julation!
I'll change the title of the thread to 'The Magnesium Thread' so it's easier to spot and from now on, everyone who wishes to can post their progress here.
I hope you feel some positive improvements soon (great that this was recommended by your Specialist)! xxxxx
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I've used a chelated magnesium in the past as it's designed for better absorption. I believe chelated minerals, in general are better for the body. Also used a magnesium spray. May resume with these. I once read one should be careful about high doses of magnesium if any kidney problems exist, but will need to revisit that info. Thanks for starting this thread!
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Hi weathergirl! Yes - very large doses plus established kidney issues are a problem. It's unlikely to effect any of us though as long as we're sensible.
Magnesium is often given orally (and sometimes IV) to ladies who are in chemo. if they are showing signs of deficiency, so considering how delicate the body is during this time we can assume we should be ok. xxxxx
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Good to know! Thank you! :)
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Thanks so much for this. I am interested and looked it up. the Your Supplements site is cheaper than Amazon and you don't have to spend £20 to get free delivery either :)
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Just read this thread and most definitely agree that in menopause we are deficient in magnesium. I have such a healthy diet and I don't agree that we get enough in our diet. I've had an interest in nutrition and holistic health for many years. We metabolise nutrients differently as well. I know if I'm depleted in magnesium as I get cramps in my feet.... tell tale sign. And so when that happens, I take a good quality supplement (usually by Solar or Veridian). I also take high dose vitamin c as that's good for your skin and as it's water soluble, you can't overdose on it. I notice my skin really improves on it. I use it topically on my face as well... but that's going off on another tangent. Ha.
Magnesium is also great for fibromyalgia and of course it's natures valium and helps with sleep.
I don't agree with the NHS's views on vitamins as, just like HRT, it's not straightforward. Of course, you can do damage with some supplements if your body doesn't need them and so it's always wise to do your research or maybe see a nutritionist.
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That's brilliant to know, BJ! I like the 'Your Supplements' range as there is minimal cost invested in packaging, and more invested in the quality of the products. :) xxxxx
That's great, Pollyanna! Yes, I agree totally - if anyone wants to go into multiple supplementation or is considering using herbals or higher doses of vitamins or minerals, it's a must to be guided by a professional
Magnesium is indeed natures's valium - it has a positive effect on GABA receptors just the same as benzo's do, but without all the nasties!
Hope the Tibolone is suiting you, by the way! :) xxxxx
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Oh Tempest..... (thank you for asking by the way ;) ), today I can hardly keep my eyes open. Not so much fluid retention but the tiredness is awful with the Tib today.
Yes I know it's not even a week yet but I guess I was expecting to feel this surge of energy. Instead, I find myself staring into space, can't be bothered to do anything.
I know I keep asking this (and I guess I should be back on the other thread now), but, did you have a lull in energy to begin with on Tib?
My natural setting is usually much higher than this. I'm guessing it's the Progesterone. Hoping that goes away.
Love to keep reading all of your individual experiences.
At the moment, my libido was better of Oestrogen patches. I'm hoping that this will change on the Tib.
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Thanks, Sparkle! :)
There is so much out there on the benefits (including academic papers, I might add)! ;) xxxxx
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I have ordered some to try, I hope it really is nature's valium as I could do with some of that, my gut could do with a kick start too ::)
I take a multivitamin but cannot take the multivitamin and mineral combinations as I cannot have calcium, Iron or iodine and they all seem to contain those. When I had a calcium and Vitamin D supplement I ended up in hospital with hypercalcaemia so I take a separate vitamin D3 now and with total thyroid atrophy and reliant on thyroid supplementation I don't need iodine. Iron bungs me up even more too, so I avoid anything with these minerals in apart from naturally in any foodstuffs like dairy and eggs and green vegetables. You have to be careful as not everything is good for everybody all the time as we are all different :)
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Iron supplements are known for causing constipation >:(.
Hand/foot cramps are usually due to lack of salt - my Victorian Granny would always tell us to 'add more salt' if we complained ::) and my M in L was told by her GP years ago to use less salt. When she complained of constant cramping in the hands I told her to add more to her veg. but she was quite reluctant 'because my GP said' >:( until she couldn't stand up one morning. That advice to use less almost killed her :-\.
I'm good at :scottie: walking ;-) and love gardening ....... of course gardening jobs weren't available in 'my day' ::).
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I know if I'm depleted in magnesium as I get cramps in my feet.... tell tale sign. And so when that happens, I take a good quality supplement (usually by Solar or Veridian).
Ah, that's interesting, I've been getting cramps in my foot since I changed magnesium products, as well as headaches. Doubly glad I ordered the ones Tempest recommended now, thanks.
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Well mine have just arrived. It says to take two per day but I think I'll start with just the one to see how I get on.
Babyjane you are right, they are cheaper on the Your Supplements website than Amazon. If they work I'll be ordering more for sure xxx :)
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I supplement it too. I noticed a huge difference in my muscle tone changing from the pill to hrt. Everything seemed to just drop.
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That's interesting as I always thought Magnesium raised oestrogen levels as when I used to take them for slow transit, I would feel good for a couple of days and then really low and depressed.
After trying oestrogen HRT I had the same feeling but maybe they both just trigger migraine mood issues in me?
I did try to supplement calcium (in case my magnesium levels were too high) a few years ago but they also made me feel bad a couple of days in. As did Vit D which made me swell up all over.
I do envy people who can take supplements as I used to benefit from them when younger. Perhaps I'm just too sensitive and better with gentler homeopathic remedies now.
Dangermouse I think we've discussed before that as women reach late stage peri things can start to calm. I've already found that some of my peri developed reactivity/allergies have calmed. Hopefully the same thing will happen with your migraine and reactivity. We all need to cross that invisible meno line!! Then it's party time!! x
Haha! Thanks, I'll look forward to the knees up! x
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Hi, ladies!
Well I can categorically say that the magnesium has helped significantly with the heart palps. and adrenal surges - hoorah! Long may it last!
How is everyone else getting on? xxxxx
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still waiting for mine to arrive. It is in Royal Mail's hands :)
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I have noticed a difference with my heart palpitations too. Also a better, more restful sleep. Happy to say that I've had no adverse tum effects either :)
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I noticed mine are from Yoursupplements too Tempest x
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I am going to try magnesium, I have given up on hrt as it just doesn't agree with me. Will order some tomorrow. Tempest how long before you noticed it working ?
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I've had slight stomach cramps since starting taking them, but I do have the feeling it is dealing with slow transit so am going to persevere. If it helped sleep too that would be wonderful.
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Have you tried a spray sparkle. I don't have any digestive issues at all with mine. Only way I could take it I think.
Tempest did mention that there was one that didn't sting and I meant to ask her where she saw that as I'm running short and would like a gentler one if I could get it.
Are your there Tempest ;D
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With the spray you can rinse off after a while if you don't like the stickiness.
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I've taken mine for 4 days and see a big improvement in slow transit. No stomach cramps any more either so glad I persevered. Nightmares are horrendous though, so not helping my sleep. Dreamed that my hairdryer melted over my head (Game of Thrones style) and I was trying to say 'help me' but my lips had fused together. What is wrong with my brain? ;D
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Do you really want us to answer that nearly50? :madeyes:
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I was buying a face flannel in my sleep from a red telephone box in my garden last night.
I mean what on earth is that all about. ::)
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I have a friend that recommends this
BetterYou Magnesium Body Lotion 150ml.
It's available from Amazon and she assures me it does not sting and neither is it sticky.
For those like me that can't take it orally it might be another option.
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mrsB, do you think I would be better with the spray, I suffer with my bowel (over active) so I'm afraid to take it in case it makes me worse, I already have to run to the loo so i don't want anything that would make me worse ;). But maybe the spray is the answer
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Yammy1
I can honestly say the spray has not given me any bowel issues. I have IBS (D) and I just can't afford to take anything that could make things worse.
I have gone through two bottles of spray up until now but I'm going to order the cream that my friend recommended as the spray can sting a bit and is a bit sticky.
I started to use it during a period of awful heart palpitations as I had read it could help. It really did. I gave carried on using it ad it helps me with joint issues.
I also use a Vit D spray...again to try and avoid stomach problems. It's one spray under my tongue once a day.
As long as it works then it's great to avoid the possible digestive issues that come along with pills.
Hope this helps.
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Is the spray like the oestrogel, it gets absorbed into the skin?I guess one would use it at a different time and on a different spot from the hormone gel? :-\
Seeing as I have neither supplements nor spray right now am off to have a soak in some Epsom salts, does anyone know if one has to submerge the whole body in the water or can it be taken up through ones feet only as in a foot soak?
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thanks MrsB, I will try cream, where do you order yours from? or can it be bought in the likes of boots?
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Have a look on Amazon Yammy. Or just a general Google around.
I've just used the spray up until now but intend to get the cream this time around.
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Thanks. mrsB , I'll shop around and see how it. Goes
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Just checked Amazon and found cream your friend recommended, not expensive but because I live in Ireland they wanted nearly same price to deliver. I'll keep looking
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Had my first appointment with Claire Snowdon Darling today - magnesium malate on list of supplements - hopefully this will set me on the right path ::)
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Thanks for that Tempest since stopping HRT I stopped all vitamins apart from omegas & you have just reminded me that I must start magnesium again. Very interesting article
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I received the Magnesium Glycinate capsules that had been recommended in this thread from Your Supplements and have been trying them for the past week. Sadly they do not suit me so if the company will not take them back (some do, some don't) I would be happy to forward them to anyone on here who uses the same thing :).
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Yes of course. I only took one a day but they increaded my anxiety, I was getting more wound up and speeded up each day. I was also sleeping very heavily but it was not a nice sleep, too deep and full of weird dreams that left me waking tired out. I had reached a point of stability so I felt it must be affecting me.
It did help my bowels and I don't know how they will react to me stopping it but hey ho.
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Just came across this post, very interesting, I am suffering terribly with muscle aches and joint pain.
How much magnesium is it recommended to take? Might pop to Holland and Barratt to buy some today.
Thanks
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Ladies there are other variations of Mag, that help different symptoms so it might be worth looking into x
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Lol just a thought x
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I don't actually have any symptoms, maybe that was the problem - too much of it that I don't need ::)
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Started new magnesium today - as prescribed by claire snowdon Darling - I'd stopped the citrate and was contemplating choosing one more suited to my symptoms after tempest posted this - will let you know how it goes x
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I take two boots magnesium every night if I don't I wake every hour, I still wake every three hours or so but really restless if I don't xx
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I have had to give up on the magnesium. I am the exception to the rule that it helps with anxiety, it makes me jittery and wound up. My bowels liked it though so that is a shame. :(
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I'm wondering if I'm taking too much and it is causing me to have sore joints, my knees and hips are like an old woman's suddenly. Time to ditch everything other than vitamin d I think, and see where I am.
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I started off on one a day for a week then increased to two. So far so good. Bowels seem happy and my joint pains appear to have reduced too :)
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Have you ladies tried taking it as a combined supplement? I take Osteocare plus Glucosamine and Chondroitin and always take it after my main meal of the day. It definitely helps my joints (though not my back but then even that may be a lot worse if I weren't taking it!) especially in my fingers and hands which can be very sore.
I think these things can be trial and error, finding the best entry methods that suit our own individuality. Even the level of dosage can be an individual thing. Some people can drink cod-liver oil but it desperately upsets my digestive system. Weird because we were force-fed it as children, along with rose hip syrup and a daily spoonful of malt. My mother liked to cover the corners!!
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;D my cats wouldn't go near cod liver oil ::) and don't remind me of the malt and rose-hip syrup :beaurk:
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I understand it needs to stay on topics but this saddens me greatly. I came to this forum because, unlike some others, the women here seem so genuinely helpful and to care for one another. This is very discouraging. Okay. I'll stick to magnesium now. :(
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What would one need magnesium for or in deed, any other 'supplement'? Years ago++ (1990s) a relative thought that swallowing cod liver oil capsules daily helped her joint aches and pains ........ but we couldn't find out how much active ingredient was in the capsule ::). After 3 years she got fed up swallowing them .......
I know that bananas cured my restless leg syndrome [see appropriate threads] where some have found that other 'extras' have eased symptoms. Certainly if I cut back on bananas 'cos I get fed up eating them ::), the symptoms return :sigh:
I think after the War/s it was thought that due to rationing children in particular would 'benefit' from cod liver oil etc. :-X :pills:
It was apparently 'good for us' ......... :whist: there are some things that adults will never be forgiven for :D
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I never had to do the cod liver oil thing as a kid, but we were forced to eat liver at least weekly as a child. I loathed it. ;D But I'm sure it was good for me.
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;D - liver for iron? I used to eat it raw :o ....... Himself can't abide it but will cook it for me :-*. I like it crusty round the edges and soft in the middle but cooked through, not that I'm fussy or owt ::)
I wonder if in 3rd World countries Charities advise various supplements 4 children, i.e. Syria ? - sorry a meander ::)
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Yes it was liver for iron. I should probably try it now again, as an adult. I might feel differently, who knows!
I would hope that if there was the possibility of supplementation in those countries, they would advocate for it and seek donations for them.
My son is a very picky eater and I basically force him to take a few supplements to try to offset what he is not eating.
Regarding Magnesium, I use a chelated version and cannot tell if it's helping or not. I do not get any loose bowels with it no matter how much I take.
I also don't get a 'calming' effect that I read about it. Just a neutral, nothing. I will keep up with it and see how it goes.
I do think the chelated versions are designed for much better absorption, though they are more expensive.
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If I remember, I need to look up that new word - chelated :D
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Oh crikey, that's complex ;)
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??? - complex yup - explained here quite well
http://www.supplementquality.com/z_askexpert/chelated.html (http://www.supplementquality.com/z_askexpert/chelated.html)
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Thank you for starting this thread Tempest! I feel it should be pinned or stickied (or whatever term you use for this forum) as magnesium is so important to our health. I recently started taking a supplement and also use a spray. Here are just a few interesting sites I found when doing research about magnesium:
https://draxe.com/9-signs-magnesium-deficiency/
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/magnesium-deficiency-symptoms-and-diagnosis
http://www.ancient-minerals.com/transdermal-magnesium/
How to make your own magnesium oil spray:
https://wellnessmama.com/5804/magnesium-oil/
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Hi I know this is an older thread but I was looking for magnesium recommendations are there any sprays or drops or liquid as I struggle to small tablets unless they are very small. Thank you
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Maybe you could try "Better you" Magnesium Oil Body Spray. I think it is available from Holland and Barratt.
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Thank you I have heard of it, I guess the sprays work much the same as the oestrogels, they get absorbed through the skin, wonder if they are as effective but will def give it a try. :-\
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Worth a try. It has a bit of a strange texture when you rub it in - I always need to wash my hands afterwards.