Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => Alternative Therapies => Topic started by: akd1961 on March 28, 2017, 05:49:59 PM
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I've recently stopped taking HRT personal choice, but the symptoms are back, hot flushes I can deal with them its the mood swings and headaches.
I currently take magnesium, just wondered if anyone has had any experiences with herbal remedies?
I've tried black cohosh in the past but didn't help
Any advise appreciated.
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Black cohash may help initially but once the hormones begin to fluctuate any benefit is often lost ::). Have you browsed our 'alternative' room? If herbals helped significantly they would be on the NHS ;-).
Gentle exercise. Keep hydrated. Eat little and often. Headaches can be caused by the body being thirsty. Mood swings can be eased by eating regularly or you may require an anti-depressant-type medication to even them.
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Any of the alternative therapies are going to be a bit hit and miss. The thing I've observed with those who take them is that they MAY provide some relief if the symptoms are minor or during peri meno, but if the symptoms become more severe they are useless. If they worked as well as they are supposed to then more women would be using them and not resorting to HRT.
I understand you have made a personal choice about HRT, but you do need to consider quality of life. I prefer to take advantage of both the short and long term benefits of HRT. I hardly even think about the fact that I'm menopausal now because I have no symptoms at all.
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Hi AKD,
Like you, I stopped my HRT just before Christmas (personal choice) but sadly started to suffer some symptoms again, mostly the mood swings you mention along with chronic insomnia and a host of others. I had an appointment with my meno nurse and between us we decided I was better off on it than off so I've gone back onto Femoston 1/5 conti (which is what I was on previously). Although I'm only just a week into re-starting them I have to say I'm feeling so much better. It's a hard decision to weigh up but as Dana says, it had got to the point where I felt my quality of life was suffering, much like it was when I started my journey.
Hope this helps a little......
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There are lot's of us who have managed without HRT, and have used 'alternatives', when necessary.
It seems that HRT is fine (if it suits you), but you still have to go through the effects of hormone change when you stop taking it.
You pays you money and you makes your choice.
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It seems that HRT is fine (if it suits you), but you still have to go through the effects of hormone change when you stop taking it.
It would be no different to you stopping the alternate therapy, if it is providing relief. If the effects of menopause are still there you would also still experience symptoms.
The notion that HRT only "delays the inevitable" is another one of those myths about HRT that people like to spread, even though it doesn't have any substance.
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Alternatives don't affect hormone levels they just releive the symptoms. They help you through the process of the body readjusting. Which it does eventually but you have to allow it to do so. You may not believe this but I do, as do others. As I said each to their own.
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Well if this was the case no woman who takes HRT would ever be able to stop, yet I know a number of women who have been able to come off HRT after a period of time with no problems. Other friends who are in their 70s and never taken HRT are still suffering. Everyone is different and my issue with your post is that you claimed something as fact when it isn't. That's the biggest problem with HRT naysayers.
Anyway I'll stick with what I'm doing. I like the long term benefits of HRT so coming off isn't something I have any plans of doing. It's about quality of life. I tried the alternate stuff and quite frankly it was just an expensive waste of time and I was literally suicidal. My quality of life now is great.
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I did not claim any 'facts' just my opinion.
Just as what you post is 'your opinion'.
This is the 'Alternatives section' and I can post about it if I want too.
I do not like your tone at all.
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Anyway, akd, good food supplements helped me a great deal. As did gentle exercise and mindfulness. There are some good books about going through the meno the natural way. Some were in this websites store. I don't know if they still are, if not just do a Google search.
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Found the book. It's on in the shop it's on all 'Alternatives section'
https://www.menopausematters.co.uk/remedies.php
Hope that helps
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Yes, couldn't agree more. Although, there are some pluses.
No periods, no PMT and no risk of pregnancy.
And, I have to say, that four years post meno I'm feeling fine, accept for the odd bout of anxiety (but I've always had that anyway). :)
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Actually you did state it as "fact". You said "you still have to go through the effects of hormone change when you stop taking it." That is an absolute statement. If you don't like my "tone" then don't dress up opinions as facts. This might be the alternate section, but opinions should still be stated as opinions.
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I not going to argue. It's really not worth it. Life is far too sort. I have more important things to think about.
Have a nice day. :)
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I thought I would go through Menopause on my own - didn't know what all the fuss was about ;)
Then the symptoms hit :o
I started with alternative therapies but the relief was minimal, I was literally too ill to leave the house.
So I tried HRT and finally got my quality of life back - seeing friends, going to work, household chores: normal things.
So I agree - some are lucky to sail through no problems, others find alternatives effective but for me it's HRT all the way.
Wouldn't life be boring if we were all the same :)
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Just to clarify re the effect on hormones of stopping HRT. During peri-menopause hormones fluctuate wildly which can gives rises to all the symptoms we know about and including mood swings, for which HRT can be taken to relieve.
When you stop taking it - the extent to which your symptoms return can depends whether your ovaries are still functioning ie whether you have gone through menopause.
If you stop before you have reached menopause then it is likely that your flushes and sweats will return as well as mood swings - because your hormones are still fluctuating - and ovulation may occur sporadically.
If you stop a couple of years after you have reached menopause (and you won't know when this is) then you do have to go through a period of hormonal change when you stop - but it won't be like stopping while you are peri-menopausal ie your hormone level (Oestrogen) will just gradually fall to the level it would have reached had you not taken HRT. YOu will however have to go through the menopause as such because the surges and ovulation etc will have stopped.
Whether or not your symptoms return in this second scenario - you cannot know - as Dana said some women still have symptoms in their 70's in the absence of HRT, but some women will find they come off HRT quite happily and experience no symptoms. others may experience symptoms for a few months and then they disappear.
If only we had a crystal ball!!!
The other important point is that many continue to remain on HRT long after menopause for the other protective benefits - notably protection of bones, and heart health. Some women are more at risk from these health conditions and so are advised to take HRT for longer than the rest of us - so it is not just about the immediate symptoms.
So in this case - again yes you do have to go through the effects of hormone change when you stop taking it - eg the bone protective effect may decline as oestrogen reduces - but at least you will have had years of protection while taking it as Dana says.
Breeze I do agree that lifestyle measures are crucial and are probably even more important to make changes where necessary before even thinking about HRT ( depending on your age at menopause of course - so having a good diet, lots of exercise, relaxation techniques, good sleep, reducing weight, limiting alcohol and not smoking - will all pay dividends - and there is little point in taking HRT alone without simultaneously adjusting lifestyle if necessary.
If you are unable to take HRT for medical reasons there are some prescribed medications that can help and if I were in that position I would try one of these alternatives. I also tried Black Cohosh which I thought worked initially but once I got going with the menopause only HRT worked. I haven't come across anyone who has taken it at that end ie after stopping HRT. Dancinggirl has recently stopped HRT (in her 60's) and I know she is adopting a whole raft of techniques to help deal with symptoms - and she might have some tips.
Hurdity x
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Hi everyone...
My concern is do I need more oestrogen or less??? I'm currently taking femseven sequi @ 50 mcg of estradiol 1.5 mg per patch per week but into my last few days of my last phase ( oestrogen and progesterone) I changed to continuous or Conti as it's known. I felt ok for first few days then this almighty depression came..... I know I shouldn't of done it as I think it's suppressed me having a period now...I've been on this for six weeks and I haven't noticed any good things only bad like insomnia which is driving me crazy.. I've never suffered from this ever!!!! Plz put my mind at rest someone all you good people out there... The docs have given me ADS BUT IM NOT TAKING THAT CRXXP!!!!! Sorry >:( my head is messed up now....!!!