Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => Personal Experiences => Topic started by: walking the dog on May 04, 2016, 11:11:23 AM
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Well I took the trazodone for first Tim last night I thought I be spark out like I was on mitrazapine but no tossed turned and when did sleep terrible nightmares! See what tonight brings
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ADs can be so difficult. It is now 6 months since I was given Citalopram and later changed to Escitalopram. I have had side effects, ups and downs, come off it and then gone back on it, taken it with BBs and without BBs and it is only in the last 4 weeks that I have felt any hint of coming out the other side.
But oh how glad I am that I stuck with it as I am now feeling a lot better.
My very best wishes to all other ladies struggling to stabilise on medication.
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What dosage are you on? I think you need at least 100mg to help with sleep. The maintenance dose for anxiety and depression is 150-300mg. 150mg used to give me a good nights sleep. Hope you do better tonight X
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Only 50 mg I have no idea,why but the day my gp said the psych had said prescribe me it I was all over the place crying etc and was in no state to think straight let alone ask questions ,I have a check up in couple weeks will go with my trusty note book and ask questions .
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Any ideas why the psych would say50mg ? Could it be a starting dose but I run out before I'm at gp again si if get on repeat prescription will prob get more 50mg . Ahould I see gp sooner ad query all this ? Anxiety going up now !
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And its in capsule form I hoped it would be pills in case withdrawal difficult so could cut bits off , having just had a hard time with dulocetine capsule withdrawal , has any one had itin pill form ? Another question for my gp :)
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Trazodone come in 50 & 100mg capsules & 150mg tablets, you can also get liquid so it's good for weaning off.
They may have given you 50mg to build you up slowly. I started on 75mg for 2 weeks then went to 150mg.
When I withdrew from duloxetine I bought some empty capsules and split the dose by putting granules in. I don't think they do it in tablet form or they didn't when I was on it. It's a hard one to get off, my GP gave me a short course of diazepam to help with the withdrawal as that got me through the nightmare of stopping venlafaxine too.
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Hi Lisa
What dose of Duloxetine were you on and how long did the withdrawal take?
Not many people have tried Duloxetine so it's good to hear that people do get off eventually!
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It is very rare that patients are unable to wean off ADs! For me it was the rebound symptoms but once I realised that they didn't become worse after the initial 'oh not again' feelings as I dropped each dosage, I was OK. It took 9 weeks of careful monitoring (sorry can't remember which AD it was ::)).
I found that starting with a very low dose suited me better than taking what was recommended as a 'starting' dose!
I expect you were probably half waiting for side effects to happen ::) = not being able to sleep.
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Hi Lisa
What dose of Duloxetine were you on and how long did the withdrawal take?
Not many people have tried Duloxetine so it's good to hear that people do get off eventually!
I was on 60mg of Duloxetine and I tapered myself off over 2 months. I bought empty capsules and opened up the duloxetine and emptied it out to split the doses so I could taper more gradually. Still needed diazepam though as the withdrawal was horrific. Remember not everyone is the same, it might be ok for you and I'm sure the Trazodone will help
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It is very rare that patients are unable to wean off ADs! For me it was the rebound symptoms but once I realised that they didn't become worse after the initial 'oh not again' feelings as I dropped each dosage, I was OK. It took 9 weeks of careful monitoring (sorry can't remember which AD it was ::)).
I found that starting with a very low dose suited me better than taking what was recommended as a 'starting' dose!
I expect you were probably half waiting for side effects to happen ::) = not being able to sleep.
Try saying that to someone who has gone through seroxat or venlafaxine withdrawal. Some people end up hospitalised. They changed the patient information leaflet on those two drugs as law suits were taken out against the pharmaceutical company and the people won.
Weaning off an anti depressant can be very hard and traumatic for some people. Everyone's mind and body works differently so what's ok for one might not be for another.
After trying many different anti depressants over the years I found the side effects I got out weighed the benefits so I stopped. I was on them for panic disorder with agoraphobia. Now I just get by with diazepam for emergency situations. Wish they could invent something that works like diazepam but doesn't have the addiction & tolerance issues.
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Oh so do I! or that GPs weren't so hung up on the addiction side of Valium etc. - worrying that my supply might be cut off causes anxiety >:( When mine gave me Prozac (Seroxat) it was new and he suggested it had 'no known side-effects' and as I left the Surgery I told him "I'll find some". I did :-\ - after 3 days I knew if I took any more I wouldn't get out of bed. So stopped.
Fortunately we peservered. (sp). It is quite rare even so, considering the amount of patients that take ADs World Wide. There are now mutterings that 'therapy', counselling, talking etc. is 'better' than prescribing ADs. Without them I wouldn't be here :-[
I didn't have to withdraw from Venlafaxin - I stopped for 24 hours B4 beginning the next AD (can't remember why I stopped :-\ think my brain had pooped out). I also feel that had I not been advised that some ADs require weaning off I would have been ok anyway, it was having the idea that it might be problematic that made it worse. I did have bounce back which was scary initially, I remember laying on the settee crying that I would never feel well …….. :-\
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Prozac isn't seroxat. Seroxat is also known as Paroxetine & Paxil.
For me with the venlafaxine it was a case of not being warned of the potential dangers of withdrawal. I nearly ended up in hospital. Fainting, low blood pressure, brain zaps, violent diarrhoea, nausea to the extent I couldn't eat. I was given 24 hours to see an improvement or they were admitting me to be on a drip for hydration. I managed to keep rehydration drinks in long enough for them to work thank god as no way was I leaving my bed!
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Of course it isn't Prozac ………… meno-brain here :-[ :thankyou: for putting me right!
Paxil was the 1 that I had to stop. Prozac was the 1 that made me have rages :o :cuss:
How awful for you. It amazes me how drugs can affect people in such different ways!
[can't you sleep either?]
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I know about the rages 😂😂
Yes it's weird as I've heard people say they've had trouble getting off mirtazipine, I had no bother with that at all. Trazodone is by far the most user friendly I found, but it just didn't do anything for my anxiety and panic attacks. I slept well though!
I'm not sleeping well at the moment. Just had a recent diagnosis of peri and PMDD. I'm currently on day 7 of Microgynon which I've to take continuously. Fingers crossed it calms me down as I've been like a mad woman crying and feeling suicidal when I ovulate and just before I get a period.
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How is your diet? When I had PMT NAPS told me to eat every 3 hours 24/7 to keep blood sugar levels up. You may find looking at their web-site useful? I still try to graze because if I get hunger I get nauseous which leads me to other mental issues >sigh<. That's 24/7, 52/12! even in the night. When I got up to allow my puppy out to pee at 3.00 a.m. we would share a biscuit on our return to bed ;-). ;D
PMDD is what remind me :-\ ……… (National Association for Pre-menstrual Syndrome).
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We've had the food discussion before 😂😂 I'm not allowed to eat 4 hours before I lay down as I have volume reflux. In the day I do eat little and often as I do crash if I don't.
PMDD is premenstural dysphoric disorder. It's different to PMS/PMT as you get it at other times of the month whereas with PMT that's just prior to menstrating. I get it when I ovulate I'm so anxious I spend most of the time hyperventilating. I also get it just before a period with anxiety and panic attacks and when the period starts I get overwhelming depression.
Last year I didn't get many periods so it wasn't as bad but they've come back regular and it's been unbearable. How my partner is still here I'll never know.
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Still had broken nights sleep with strange dreams. Woke up feeling dazed and with a fuzzy headache however I'm 4 days into my utrogesran and I know some ladies say this can cause headaches, so I'm confused 😖 once again
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You're going through so many different things at once it will be impossible to know what's causing what. X
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Felt quite nauseous as days gone on , Traodone ? Got the numb head spaced out feeling too, as no patient info leaflet with pills I have no idea if these are normal side affects ? ???
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I never had nausea with Trazodone but did get horrendous nausea with duloxetine withdrawal to the extent I couldn't eat much and went onto complan for a week or so.
Trazodone PIL https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/28164
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Wonder if I could possibly still be having duloxetine withdrawals its only 4 days,since last one
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Hi WTD
I would expect that the sickness is the Duloxetine withdrawal....I've heard that nausea and dizziness are common withdrawal effects.
I think with Duloxetine, it totally leaves your system in 3 days, so I would imagine your body will be beginning to adjust without it now.
Hope your feeling better.
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Lisa789 - would hysterectomy and removal of ovaries be an option?
I've had a clear head so far 2-day, which is strange for me ::) and I've appreciated every moment. My memory is no better than 'normal' but I haven't felt hung over
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Lisa789 - would hysterectomy and removal of ovaries be an option?
I've had a clear head so far 2-day, which is strange for me ::) and I've appreciated every moment. My memory is no better than 'normal' but I haven't felt hung over
That's good to hear, I'm pleased for you xx
I think I must give everything else a try before resorting to such drastic measures as hysterectomy and ovary removal. I only lasted one month on zoladex which puts you into chemically induced menopause and I went bonkers. You can reverse that but you can't reverse the op.
I've had a bad day. Crying and a nervous wreck most of the day, made worse by not enough sleep.
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Wonder if I could possibly still be having duloxetine withdrawals its only 4 days,since last one
That's still very early days. My psychiatrist said it can take weeks to get back to normal after withdrawal
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Lisa - you're between a rock and a hard place then :-\
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Lisa - you're between a rock and a hard place then :-\
Definately! Praying the continuous BCP I've just started helps. I was told it will override my own fluctuating hormone levels so in time I should improve. Fingers crossed the gynae consultant is right, as I feel like I'm ready for the asylum
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How's your diet?
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Really good as I have to be so careful what I eat because of reflux. I only drink water & camomile/green tea. No white bread/flour/pasta only have wholemeal. I always get at least 5 portions of fruit & veg per day often more, a lot of my veg comes from my Dads allotment. All my meat is free range & organic. I do struggle with fish as I'm not keen so only manage once a week and usually have swordfish or plaice. I eat snacks often as I have a very fast metabolism so have to eat often or I feel ill. I'm 5ft 2 and weigh 7st 7 so don't think I'm doing anything wrong except maybe not eating any oily fish but I take omega supplements.
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You could be my twin except we grow as much of our own as possible and I don't like fish ;D
I prefer it from tins. Less smelly. Less messy. But Himself is a fisherman ::) What do you snack on, I use dried fruits/nuts, bananas, Cream Crackers, energy bars that the Pro-cyclists take ………
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I'm the same with tinned fish! I can eat tinned salmon and tuna but fresh salmon & tuna yuck! I make it for my cat sometimes and the smell turns my stomach. I like smoked mackerel but always gives me the runs, must be the high fat content.
I too have nuts to graze on and a make a smoothie using a handful of berries, banana and put complan and water in. I use complan as I don't want to get too scrawny and I also can't tolerate milk. The complan original gives the smoothie a vanilla taste. I love crackers too, I eat ryvita's with a thin scraping of butter and i like the seeded flatbreads.
You're right we could be twins as we eat pretty much the same.
Is your hubby a fisherman by trade or hobby?