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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: Night_Owl on April 08, 2016, 11:03:53 AM
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Did anybody watch this last night - and try the experiment of sitting down and getting up to test fitness?
It was informative, however no mention of people affected by certain health conditions (eg. R.Arthritis) - sweeping assumption that by being vegan, eating nuts (specifically walnuts), pulses (high resistance starch) dancing and dog-loving, everybody could be healthy? Of course all of that has to help, however ...
Good genes are down to luck. Angela Rippon seems to have been pretty lucky, apart from her internal fat deposit issue. Interesting re: Inulin.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b076zf93/how-to-stay-young-episode-1
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Yes! I went to bed very depressed. ...& i think if i tried the sitting & standing exercise i would end up having to call an ambulance! :o
As with all this 'best for health 'advice, it relies on being in reasonable health to start with, and deep pockets ....
Interesting though :)
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OMG! I feel so unfit. I didn't see the programme but just watched the sitting down/getting up test and my three young kids did it no problem. I was also OK sitting down but could not get up at all and now my knees are killing me! I don't do much exercise at all and I am a real couch potato, so going by their scores and what it means, I better get exercising!
Angela did look good but no offence to people who don't have kids, but Angela hasn't had any either and I have an Auntie who never married or had kids and she is still going strong into her 80's. I always say it's because she didn't have the stress etc of marriage and kids! Other people I know with no kids look young as well! I got my first grey hair when I had my first child!
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I didn't watch it due to a clash but did record it so will watch it this weekend and try the exercise.
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Yes I watched it, hubby was out at skittles, so I tried the sitting down/getting up exercise.. what a hopeless mess I made of it.. fell backwards on sitting down, tried to sit up and get up, rolled over onto hands and knees, got up and took my jeans off, convinced they were too tight in that position... made no difference, still couldn't do it. I liked the idea of the Inulin powder on food to try and help shift internal fat. I don't mind pulses (lentils, chick peas and the like) but I couldn't eat enough to do any good judging by the amount Angela Rippon had in a bowl in front of her. Looking forward to next week's prog.
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I watched. Enjoyed.
However: There is no way that a person should be sitting down crossed legs as they suggested >:( - the quickest way to crack the coccyx :o
As for eating more nuts ……… ::). We eat plenty. Unless everyone is offered an MRI that Angela underwent, then how can the NHS be aware of what any of us needs to eat!
She looks awful first thing in the morning ::)
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Did anybody watch this last night - and try the experiment of sitting down and getting up to test fitness?
It was informative, however no mention of people affected by certain health conditions (eg. R.Arthritis) - sweeping assumption that by being vegan, eating nuts (specifically walnuts), pulses (high resistance starch) dancing and dog-loving, everybody could be healthy? Of course all of that has to help, however ...
Good genes are down to luck. Angela Rippon seems to have been pretty lucky, apart from her internal fat deposit issue. Interesting re: Inulin.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b076zf93/how-to-stay-young-episode-1
No I didn't see the programme. Perhaps I had better not! I'm allergic to walnuts, pulses give me toxic wind, I have 2 left feet and allergic to dogs! No hope for me then! ;D
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I would love to have an MRI to see how much fat I carry internally!
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Hello ladies.
I saw the programme and thought it was really interesting.
There are many studies on the Californian Seventh Day Adventist group which demonstrate that a vegan diet is the healthiest. I would love to know how the women in this community coped with the menopause and if their diet impacted on their hormones.
Forgive me ladies but gotta say I found the sit and rise test easy and managed to do it ten times on the trot! Mind you I did already know about it and have done it before. There is a problem though because after a while the side of my foot begins to hurt and that prevents me doing other types of exercise. You just can't win sometimes!
Take care ladies.
K.
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Ha ha! I also took my trousers off as I thought that would help. Sadly it didn't!
Well done Kathleen, you must be very supple.
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Hello sparkle, Stellajane and Halfpint.
Ooh, thank you ladies for your kind words.
I was wearing jogging bottoms so tight clothes were not a problem and although I'm a bit bendy I don't think I am particularly supple or fit.
Oddly I do feel better for doing the exercise, sort of stronger and with a slightly better posture. Feeling young, well and happy is a big ask for a simple exercise lol but the sense of achievement was nice so I'll keep at it providing it doesn't hurt my foot too much! It's just nice to find something I'm good at!
Wishing you all well.
K.
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Hello sparkle.
I hadn't done the exercise for quite a while because I knew it hurt my foot and that made walking painful and I like walking ( it's the only real exercise I enjoy ).
I have found that when doing the sit and rise test it helps if you lean forward as you get up plus I understand that just getting out of a chair without using your hands is also good for improving core strength and balance.
Good luck ladies!
K.
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I didn't watch it but I did see A Rippon discussing it on The One Show.
I was sitting in GP surgery tonight and oddly enough was watching older people and thinking how grateful me and hubby should be that we get around OK. Last week we were on hols in Tenerife and first day we walked 6 miles and I ended up with a large blister and hubby had sore heels. We both wore walking sandals but hadn't worn them since last sept so it was our own fault really.
It took a couple of days until our feet felt better and we did some moaning but TBH you see people maybe 10 years older than us and they're on sticks or have dodgy hips and knees and I came home determined that we have to keep as active as we can while we are still able.
However, as someone said at the start of this thread, people with arthritis, rheumatism etc can't do much about it sadly.
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I haven't seen it yet but will watch it! Is the sitting down standing up test where you stand in front of a chair and cross your legs and then sit down without touching anything and then stand up again? If so I can do that one easily which probably means it's not the one!
Taz x :-\
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Did it twice husband who's super fit didn't do it once? ?
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Oh - it's right to the ground and back up? Lol I was doing it sitting on a chair!
Taz x
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She needs to ditch the hair bobbles! They age her
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Well - I gave it a go. Managed one but I really don't like the feeling it's given me in my vaginal/pelvic region! I'm wondering if it's not something you should do after prolapse surgery.
Taz x :-\
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I didn't give it a thought. It was fine on the way down but on the way up it was definitely not comfy! I know that squats and pilates are not something I should do and there are some aquafit moves (not that I've actually ever gone) that are not advisable but didn't seem to see this sit/rise test in the same light. Mind you I can't see anything anywhere that says it's not for "repaired" ladies!
Taz x
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I could get down but I couldn't get up! LOL
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I've found this on a health website. It doesn't mention prolapse but does say that the sit to rise test is not to be carried out by anyone with arthritis or joint problems but they go on to say this.
"In the UK, a similar test is used to evaluate a person's mobility and endurance. It's called the '30-second chair stand test', and looks at the number of times someone can perform a sit to stand movement in 30 seconds. Sammy Margo, a UK-based physiotherapist, explained that their test might be more appropriate for older people who are not used to sitting on the floor or who suffer from joint problems. She, however, acknowledges the SRT's ability to measure flexibility and strength."
It's back to the chair for me then ;D
Taz x
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Taz, I've seen the chair one before.
I've tried the sitting one again while wearing my pyjamas and again, I can sit down no problem, I just can't get up and it kills my knees. I do have problems with my knees. I've got arthritis in my neck, so no doubt got it in other joints.
I'm also top heavy, so I'm blaming it on my big boobs stopping me from trying to lean forward to get back up!
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My OH can do it easily but he can also do the lotus pose - sits like that most of the time in the pub much to everyone's amusement. He keeps his back totally straight while getting down or up on the sit to rise test.
Feel tempted to try again but would need to empty my bladder first ;D ;D
Taz xx
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I was taught a method of standing up in Contemporary dance where you sort of lean over to one side and put one hand down, then the other then move your foot round, then the other then come up to standing. It is sort of a flowing spiral movement and does not put pressure on your joints. If your are lying on your back, you can do it by starting with a sort of rolling movement that flows into the spiral. It is much more fun, and you can do it even if you are old and your core muscles are not perfect, and it stops you getting stuck on the floor.
I had a go and could sit down fine, but getting up was harder - I know I am out of condition, so I had better work on it.
When I was pregnant with my twins, I sat down in the middle of the floor and could not find a way to get up again. I got on to my hands and knees but there was nowhere for my knees to go to get me up. I thought I was going to be stuck there until my husband came home from work, but fortunately I had shuffled closer to the armchair with all my attempts at manoeuvring and I managed to haul myself up with that. It was very scary.
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Aha, the straight back may be a clue why I can't do it. I have terrible posture and have spent years with hunched shoulders. My kids are obsessed with doing it. They just go down and straight back up easily. It's making me feel OLD!
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That exercise is down-right dangerous!!!! It doesn't actually prove anything ::).
I look forwards to the next programme - next Thursday? but it's a bit like telling youngsters that they have to look a 'certain' way - pressure to conform. Staying thin enough, get drunk enough, wear the 'right' clothes in School, wear the 'correct' logos on clothing :-\. Having said that I felt really good today, going out with Himself: until I saw this frump in a shop window :'(
I had many tests done about 8 years ago, I do the bowel screening test when it arrives every 3 years, I eat well, don't exercise enough - I would rather find out any problems early enough to do something about them. Fortunately my breast lump was found 'early' and dealt with, I have had tests for osteoporosis so would welcome an MRI if offered.
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Interesting your mention of your dear gran stellajane. Both my grans live to 94, never took HRT, never indulged in organised exercise - housework without all the mod cons was enough exercise and my Nan did a lot of gardening too. Natural foods cooked from scratch, no processed foods, walked everywhere, plenty of fresh air. Nan gave up smoking at the age of 60 and lived to 94 having a small stroke 3 days before she died. Gran was a bit of a recluse during her last 2 decades, hardly went out and did a lot of sitting so was probably low in vitamin D. She wasn't a pleasant character but rarely went to the doctors.
Nan especially didn't suffer foolishness, grafted hard all her life, not an ounce of self pity and no illness other than colds.
In my opinion the modern age with its stress, dietary choices, sedentary lifestyles and its obsession with 'healthy living' is not good for us. We are all too self focussed and worried instead of just living.
One of the only upsides I can see is that children do not die of so many infectious illnesses these days but they get other things instead - childhood obesity and type 2 diabetes for example.
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Interesting your mention of your dear gran stellajane. Both my grans live to 94, never took HRT, never indulged in organised exercise - housework without all the mod cons was enough exercise and my Nan did a lot of gardening too. Natural foods cooked from scratch, no processed foods, walked everywhere, plenty of fresh air. Nan gave up smoking at the age of 60 and lived to 94 having a small stroke 3 days before she died. Gran was a bit of a recluse during her last 2 decades, hardly went out and did a lot of sitting so was probably low in vitamin D. She wasn't a pleasant character but rarely went to the doctors.
Nan especially didn't suffer foolishness, grafted hard all her life, not an ounce of self pity and no illness other than colds.
In my opinion the modern age with its stress, dietary choices, sedentary lifestyles and its obsession with 'healthy living' is not good for us. We are all too self focussed and worried instead of just living.
One of the only upsides I can see is that children do not die of so many infectious illnesses these days but they get other things instead - childhood obesity and type 2 diabetes for example.
My mum will be 92 next month. She's never smoked or drank alcohol in her life. She never did keep fit or anything like that but she did a lot of physical work gardening and riding her bike between cleaning jobs.
Like most of her generation she had to be able to make meals from almost nothing and she was a good cook so we had lots of stews, casseroles etc with all fresh veggies from our garden. I can also remember her though making a fry up for us using a pan full of lard.
She always had a sweet tooth and even now she eats doughnuts, bake well tarts, cherry pies, chocolates, sweets and her fave Cadburys Creme Eggs!! ;D
I honestly believe it's all the luck of the draw because I have already lost friends in their 50s who are vegetarians or very healthy eaters and really into running and keep fit.
My dad lived to 85 and was brought up eating cheap cuts of meat, everything cooked in lard, dripping on bread, suet puddings, Yorkshire puddings etc.
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Thank you and I agree, you can only work with what you have and do your best. But I do believe the media's overexposure in the form of these programmes can add to the stress that is the main cause of ill health in the modern age. So many people are so afraid of getting it wrong that they miss out on the important thing, which is living and quality of life. If I followed all the things 'they' tell us to do my life would be miserable.
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I recorded it and will watch it tonight.
Interesting feedback though.
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When I was pregnant with my first child I went to 'relaxation classes' and to learn how to be calm and breathe properly through labour. The Midwife said 'now imagine you're stressed'. She then said that she wouldn't have had to say that years ago as women then didn't have stress but nowadays with everyone juggling work and motherhood etc, we are all stressed.
What I always say about my Mum is that when we were young in the school holidays etc, we would be out all day just playing and only come home for our dinner, so my Mum would be in the house getting on with her jobs without us under her feet but nowadays, my kids don't exactly play out (too busy playing on tablets/phones etc) and if they do, I daren't let them go far as you never know who is lurking about these days so they're under my feet most of the time STRESSING me out! Stress is not good for the health.
I definitely think the older generation had it better.
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I agree about going out to play. I don't remember kids being abducted because there were too many of us out and about. Plus people cycled everywhere so not as many cars and cyclists, usually local, knew if something was 'up'. We had large gardens and plenty of toys. We were told not to 'talk with strangers' etc., although at the age of 4 apparently, I was sharing jam sandwiches with the tramp who visited twice a year ;D
We cycled, had roller skates, skooters, walked - only 1 car per household so it meant walking or cycling. Mum would cycle with 1 kid on the front and the other on the parcel rack behind :D
Unless kids are allowed to face danger they won't be able to deal with anything unusual :-\
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I have just watched the programme. I can't get up directly from the leg crossed position but could do it with the help of going onto one knee. I must ask my lodger whether he can do it as he is only about 29 or 30.
Re. playing outside as kids. we did it all the time. Behind our house were open fields with an orchard and a sort of chalk quarry. We had numerous adventure down there and used to take picnics in better weather. Sometimes there were ponies there. It lasted until i was 11 when a housing estate was built there.
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Part 2 on tonight.
Just did this quick online test - my real age came out as 70 and I'm 53 - oh dear!
Take the Test: What's my Real Age?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zg3hk7h
Not sure Angela Rippon is the right person to be presenting this - she has been lucky genetically. Maybe somebody who has overcome illness and then gone on to be healthy may have been more appropriate?
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Part 2 on tonight.
Just did this quick online test - my real age came out as 70 and I'm 53 - oh dear!
Take the Test: What's my Real Age?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zg3hk7h
Not sure Angela Rippon is the right person to be presenting this - she has been lucky genetically. Maybe somebody who has overcome illness and then gone on to be healthy may have been more appropriate?
Thanks for that. I just did it and came out just two years younger than my real age.
Angela Rippon has no kids and I swear mine put years on me!!
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I work out the same as my real age >phew<
Must try to remember to watch later.
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57 - five years less than real age.
Taz x
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Watched tonight's prog and was very interested in the results of the tests on walking and playing table tennis.
Angela Rippon did really well in her Tests didn't she?
The prog doesn't seem to address the problem of some people simply being not well enough to exercise daily.
I normally do a brisk walk every day 1.5 miles in 30 mins. However, since I've had a horrible chest infection (day 10 now) I feel really worn out. I did some hoovering this morning and later did My weekly shop and came home really exhausted. Im hoping this is just a blip for me and I'll get back into my walking again but honestly, I couldn't have done it today for any money.
So I do feel sympathy for people who have dodgy knees, hips, gout or other ailments preventing them from doing much exercise.
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I cook red cabbage regularly and we all love it. I cook it the way my late MIL who was German did it and it's delicious.
Put tiny bit of oil in bottom of saucepan. Shred cabbage and add to pan. Add salt and pepper and a couple of bay leaves. Slice a large cooking apple and lay on top of cabbage. Sometimes I add a sliced red onion too. Add vinegar. The original recipe also included brown sugar but these days I add artificial sweetener.
Cover and Cook at quite low temperature and after a while the apples will disintegrate into the cabbage. The longer and lower the temp the better. You don't want it boiling away. Taste test and add more sugar and vinegar if necessary. It is also delicious cold the next day and also freezes well.
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Came out at 44 am 50 feel 100!
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red cabbage it is then, that sounds lovely with the apple and onion.
Did test, came out at '50' I turned '50' a few days ago :)
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At Xmas we always have red cabbage too and I cook and freeze it in advance so it's less to do on the day.
It's so tasty and good for you!
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I'm still trying to get up off the floor from last week!
:rofl:
Taz x
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:rofl: R U up from the floor yet ? Would you like me to find a Handsome Chap and send round :P
Granma always cooked red cabbage which would be eaten at C.mas Night tea-time, along with brawn. Dad didn't cook much but his red cabbage was lovely. We were talking about this at lunchtime, having watched last night and it made me wonder out loud, how long has vinegar been in use? Who decided that it was good for preservation? I LOVE red cabbage. Beetroot. But I think it's a bit simplistic. The programme didn't suggest at what age the Japanese begin eating it - from weaning, early teens, mid-30s ……….. :-\. Also, Japan is made up of Islands so maybe they don't have access to other food stuffs that would cause arterial problems in the West.
Interesting that some surveys have been carried out for over 50 years ! However, with regards brain deterioration, I worked for a man many years ago++ who walked everywhere he possibly could, did lots of Yoga at a time it was 'way out', had plenty of hobbies, was very skilled with his hands but got dementia in his early 70s. :-\. My Grandparents left School before the age of 14, in fact Granny went into Service at the age of 12 - she lived until she was 88 :o with no brain problems at all.
I think it's a lot to do with genes. Education is what it is, every day is a learning curve whether a child is in School or not! However, boredom can grind people down. I know of several people who retired then died within 18 months and many others who were 'bored' once retired. Us: our feet haven't touched the ground!
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I didn't watch the programme, but a Pilates teacher in our area phoned all her class members and told them not to try that test at home!!!!
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At last, someone else who thinks it's not a wise move ;D
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I´m intrigued now! What´s the test? I´m abroad and no iPlayer *sigh*
Jx
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You have to cross your legs before trying it!! Cross them at the ankles and then lower yourself down to the floor without using your hands. Rest. Then get up again without using your hands or anything to lever yourself with. It's scored like this http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2013/01/25/sitting-rising-test.aspx
I tried it and managed it once but it put tremendous pressure on my pelvic floor and I'd forgotten that I'd had a repair and hysterectomy and it probably wasn't the best thing for me!
Taz x
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Don't I'll try it then!
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Just took the 'My real age test' and it came out at 43 and I'm 55.
Chuffed with that!
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Thanks Taz, i'd forgotten about crossing the ankles!
Have you recovered?
S x
Yes thanks - I don't think there has been any real harm done. It felt a bit like everything had gone further South down there for a day or so though - I really should have thought about it! ;D The better one is to see how many times you can stand up/sit down without support from a dining chair. You are allowed 30 seconds. http://www.cdc.gov/steadi/pdf/30_second_chair_stand_test-a.pdf
Taz x
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Whilst shopping today I kind of peeped to see if others were loading their trolleys with extra 'purple' foods ;D and nope, not many were ::)
I had sprouting broccoli with black pepper and lashings of butter at 11.30 a.m., now I've got the broccoli belly ache :-[.
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Why would anyone risk injury by doing those 'exercises'? :D
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I gave up sports around the age of 11 ;D
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Walking is OK. So is taxing my brain whilst sitting by the ponds ;)
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I miss not exercising as much as I did before all this kicked off. I'd been an exercise dodger all my life but when diagnosed with type 2 diabetes in 2014 I took up the exercise bike and did 30 /45 mins every day and it made me feel great. Once the health anxiety started and now the aching legs I stopped and am only getting back into it slowly now. I'm not sure it helps the flushes as suggested by my GP as I find it sets mine off but I'll keep at it.
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What sort of 'aching' in your legs? Is it muscular?
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I've got fibromylagia so it's a sort of weird ache. Not quite like muscular pain though that is part of it. Sometimes it just feels like a gnawing bone ache. Had VIt D checked so need to pick those results up when my GP gets back off holiday.
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ooohhhh - deep ache-type pain? like tooth ache? When do you find out your VitD results? Does pain relief ease symptoms?
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ooohhhh - deep ache-type pain? like tooth ache? When do you find out your VitD results? Does pain relief ease symptoms?
Yeah a bit like toothache. Nothing eases it much though warm Epsom salt baths helps. The fibromyalgia has got worse in peri as I'd had good few mild years with it. Think GP back last week of April so will make appointment to see her then.