Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => Personal Experiences => Topic started by: Midnight Shadow on April 08, 2016, 06:41:23 AM
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Have had another sleepless night. Up and down going to the toilet at least 7 times. As soon as I have been I want to go again and it really stings and burns. It might sound mad but I wish I had got a urine infection or cystitis then that could be treated. On holiday and worrying myself silly about all this. All I want to do is enjoy myself. Need to pull myself together, that's easier said than done. Anyone else bothered by spending lots of pennies.
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I don't know if what you are experiencing what I experience sometimes, but I find if I drink at least in pint of water, it flushes things through and things subside. Yes, you do have to wait for things to settle before getting to sleep.
Have a lovely holiday!
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Hello I can't offer any help but sending love and sympathy. This was how I was too. I've been lucky I think. HRT has really helped this symptom.
Hour it settles for you soon xx
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Thanks for the replies girls. Yes am taking Vagifem and have been on Kliovance for three weeks, very low dosage 1mg. Guess I haven't been on it long enough to make a big difference. Taking a urine sample to the local doctors to see if it is a urine infection. Hope it is and then can get some treatment. Hope you all have a better day. Anne.
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I recently sent a urine sample to the doctor and he said it showed signs of infection yet the hospital results showed nothing. Makes you wonder eh?
He prescribed Trimethropin and things cleared up so yes, you're better getting a sample tested at your surgery as even slight infections can cause urinary frequency
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Unless the sample was sent to a Lab for 'growing' Linz57, there is no way that a GP can diagnose an infection ::). The AD you were prescribed will clear up symptoms but I was never able to tolerate a whole Course. You need to have local HRT not ADs as the whole World is becoming resistant!
Drink plenty. Restricting liquid intake causes the kidneys to work harder = irritation of the bladder.
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He did say he couldn't diagnose until lab tests were back ,but he has years of experience and said that from what he could find from a dipstick test it looked like an infection.
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Dipsticks usually show evidence of blood which is what many GPs tend to prescribe on. Wonder what type of 'sticks' he has? Interesting.
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The top UK professor on UTIs wants dip sticks band from GPs surgerys.
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You have similar symptoms to my Mother who has been suffering from UTI's for around 20 years. She takes a tablet each night before bedtime. Sorry, I don't know the name. Mind you, it doesn't help her much. She is up and down all night to the loo. She gets pain as well. Dr's did eventually prescribe her half an antibiotic to take each night but due to other health problems she has, they took her off them. She has had her kidneys scanned and one had shrunk but she takes lots of other tablets that can damage the kidneys and she has high blood pressure. Her Dr does the dip stick test but then always says they will have to send it off to the local hospital for testing and she has to phone back to see if she needs antibiotics which she nearly always does.
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Thanks for all the replies. The practice nurse at the surgery I visited was lovely. She said there was no infection, I have recently had a urine sample sent to the hospital from my local surgery. Again, no infection. Guess like someone said I am not drinking enough. I do have three kidneys, so new regime is to drink plenty throughout the day. Pleased to say I was much better until 1.30PM. Have been burning since then, still half a better day is not so bad. Am I right in thinking the tissues in that delicate area are so eostrogen deprived that is why it burns when having spent a penny? Hope my Kliovance and Vagifem work very soon. Took six months last time to get success with the Vagifem. This site is wonderful and so reassuring. Keep up the good work. Anne.
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Yup, I have nights like that when I'm suffering with insomnia. Tossing and turning doesn't help (am sure it makes the bladder feel full even when it isn't) & once you get it in your head that you need a wee, you definitely need to go! I've had nights when I've been amazed at how much fluid I've passed!
I tried every insomnia remedy going with no great results, but haven't had problems since having the coil fitted so can only assume I was lacking progesterone - am 49 and peri.
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Maybe try Ovestin1g if the Vagifem isn't 'enough' :-\ ???
When I have a panic attack, as I come 'down' from it, I pass huge quantities of urine every 10 mins. for about 2 hours.
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Is ovestin the same as estriol? If so I can't use it it makes the burning even worse. I, like all of us suffering this wretched atrophy just can't take anymore. We all need our lives back. Woke again this morning, burning, stinging and have had a good cry. Big hugs from Mum and sister were needed. Feel like a baby. Departing early from my holiday is not what I wanted to do, but I can't enjoy my days as the burning is so severe. Hopefully resting at home will give me some relief. Sorry for rambling, but have got myself in such a state. I just need reassurance. Xx Anne.
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Oh have a :bighug: - I know that I could not have tolerated the feeling of 'razor blades' up there - have you tried using Vagifem more often than prescribed? Some ladies find they have to apply it every night ;-).
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I have to use Vagifem every night, got panicked at chemist the other day as they had none in stock and I had used my last one.
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Hi Anne - has your GP ever mentioned bladder training to you? You can be referred to a clinic to assess your problem and work out the best way to treat it. There is info here from the Bladder & Bowel Foundation https://www.bladderandbowelfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Bladder-Advice-Sheet-Approaching-Your-GP8.pdf and there is also more information here http://patient.info/health/overactive-bladder-syndrome
Taz x
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Hi all,
Just wanted to say that I was suffering terribly with wanting the toilet all the time, it got so bad I would be leaving the house to go to get the bus for work, and would lock front door, and then think , oh I need the toilet again!! So I was constantly stressed, and again up all night , insomnia and going to the toilet, it was ruining my life, I had no idea this was all due to the menopause!!! :-\ . Once I started on my HRT , these problems did disappear, I feel like I have my life back! I was suffering so bad and having panic attacks too, I have been on Prem pack now for 6 months and I would advise anyone suffering with how I was feeling to ensure that your HRT is at the correct dosage for you,you don't need to suffer xx
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I find that anxiety affects my bladder at night. If my insomnia is bad I will also be up and down to the loo every half an hour or so, but I think it's because I'm anxious about not getting to sleep and my mind (and bladder) is working overtime. If I'm sleeping well though I will probably only need to get up maybe once during the night and then maybe again very early (like around 4-5am).
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:thankyou: Clair - :welcomemm:
I find that if my bowel is 'slow' my bladder gets irritated >:(
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That's often due to a little bit of a prolapse CLKD. There's not much room between the two so as the pelvic floor sags a bit they can sort of push up against each other.
Taz x
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;) thanks for the welcome !!!
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Taz - I have slow transit which causes constipation :-X
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Yes I know but when the walls become a bit lax (as happens with us middle-aged people :)) then if you are suffering from constipation the hard stool can cause pressure on the bladder neck http://www.happybowel.com/constipation-uti/
Taz x
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:thankyou:
I'm beyond Middle Age ;D
How R U all this morning?
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I was getting up loads of times in the night to wee, thought it was the VA and the local treatments wasn't working enough any more but GP wanted to check before I could have HRT and it turned out I had a thrush infection I didn't know about. After treatment for that I've had 3 good months. Worth checking out?
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If it ain't one thing it's another ::) - what treatment were you given Ancient Runner?
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:thankyou:
I'm beyond Middle Age ;D
How R U all this morning?
I was being kind! ;D I'm ok thanks.
Taz x
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Oh just the usual Canasten pessary and cream CLKD. Nowt fancy.
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::)
No LIVE yoghurt then AR?
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think I'd prefer to eat that.
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;D
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I too have bladder issues, constant peeing, it's embarrassing, and really effects quality of life, going out with friends and constantly having no to visit the loo.
I started estriol with cream last year, and it did help a bit, but had a post meno bleed in October, so had to have a hysteria copy and biopsy, all fine, but resulted in mirena coil to protect uterus, and estring for more local oestrogen, also been on oestrogel since early Decenber, started with one pump, but not enough to stop night sweats, so upped it to two and got jittery and moody/tearful, so now on one and a half, which seems to keep most things under control BUT still having to pee a lot ( some days much better, but other days bad) and the urgency is unbearable.
Can anyone tell me, does the continued use of HRT improve things? I.e is it a build up process? I've been in the oestrogel, mirena and estring regime since December, but only settled with the oestrogel dose properly since end January.
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I suggest that you talk to your GP about adding Ovestin1mg or Vagifem to the mix, to be used 'down there' every night for 2 weeks and longer if necessary. Or do you have a prolapse that might be pressing on the bladder?
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Would I use vagifem as well as the estring then? The estring is in place all the time.
No prolapse as far as I'm aware, how would I know? Wouldn't the gynae have noticed that during my hysteroscopy?
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Probably - you could ring your GP to see if anything is stated in the letter? ……….. if the 'estring' isn't helping symptoms: are they worse/same/better : then you probably require a different form of local treatment with or instead of?
Drinking plenty is important. If the kidneys are deprived of fluids then they work harder = more loo visits!
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Nothing stated on letter 😊
Bladder is better than it used to be, without a doubt. I just get occasional days when it acts up, I think it's on days when I'm particularly stressed, or fasting ( I use 5:2 diet for weight control, been doing so for 3 years)
Must say, I do have some estriol with cream left, and have debated using it to give a bit more oestrigen, I just feel my bladder is taking a while to really settle, even though it's much better. That's why I asked if the effects of oestrogen build in the system over time?
Thank you for taking time to reply CLKD
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It really is Trial and Error ain't it - as for the 5:2 diet, maybe fasting isn't 'right' for you now?
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It certainly is trial and error 😊 Think I might try the estriol for a few nights to see if it improves things further.
Re 5:2 I will continue as it maintains my weight and suits my lifestyle. If the bladder is unbearable on just those days, then I may have a re think 😊