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Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: Smokey on March 15, 2016, 03:09:43 PM

Title: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: Smokey on March 15, 2016, 03:09:43 PM
Hi

How many of you have had a heavy head feeling as a symptom on your meno journey?

I'm pretty sure this was one of my first symptoms 5 years ago before starting Hrt.  I just want re assurance really I'm now on Everol Conti and started them Friday after finishing my bleed( was on everol sequil 75 before) I saw doc last week as initially thought I needed more oestrogen but she didn't seem to think so. I said I didn't really want a bleed as when I did it made my ms symptoms worse. So she prescribed the conti patches and said I may get a bit of spotting for first few months. But I didn't expect to get it straight away. My mum had her last period at 50.
I'm wondering if the reduction in oestrogen has caused this heavy head symptom again.

Any thoughts? I think she thought giving me another ad would help with the other symptoms creeping back in again! I'm on Mirtazapine 15mg and they have helped with my sleep and my moods are much happier. And my nausea has gone.

Ann x
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: CLKD on March 15, 2016, 03:51:17 PM
I have a heavy head.  I've not got my usual 5mg AD because of a muddle, so am halving 10mg of the same AD  but oh I notice the difference  :sigh:.  I also have nausea  >:(.  I can't wait until the end of the month so that I can order my usual 5mg.

If I have slept for too long or when I've had busy, involved dreams, my head feels heavy.  I don't drink so can't blame alcohol!
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: Hurdity on March 15, 2016, 04:01:55 PM
I get a heavy head variously - on progesterone and on withdrawal from it! Not from reduction in oestrogen though - that stimulates body aches and flushes/sweats.

I presume before you were on Evorel sequi with an extra 25 mcg patch? I'm not clear where you started the Evorel conti? Normally the conti part of the sequi ( ie the bit with the prog in it) is applied during the second two weeks which should then be followed by a bleed a few days later - by which time you will be into the oestrogen only part. I presume you have started the Evorel conti a few days into your new cycle?

Any reason why you have reduced to 50 mcg and why you didn't keep on with the extra 25 mcg patch if that's what you were doing? Not sure what effect continuous synthetic progestogens will have on your MS but hopefully less extreme than maintaining a cycle?

Hope your head clears soon :)

Hurdity x
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: dangermouse on March 15, 2016, 06:51:47 PM
Yes I have this, like a strong pressure feeling especially if you raise your eyebrows. My ears also feel very full. Prior to this I never got headaches, although to be fair it doesn't hurt, just feels inflamed. I've had for about 5 months.

I've also had debilitating nausea that lost me 2 stone from having to live on mainly liquids but this was over stimulation of my stomach where it churned continuously, so think it was more a morning sickness type (from oestrogen surges) than migraine.
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: CLKD on March 15, 2016, 07:12:25 PM
 :bighug:  Dangermouse  :welcomemm:
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: dangermouse on March 15, 2016, 08:42:38 PM
Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: CLKD on March 16, 2016, 01:06:51 PM
Worse today  :-\ and when I move the inside of my head swims  :(
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: babyjane on March 16, 2016, 03:54:03 PM
CLKD why would half 10mg in place of 5mg cause such problems. I hate cutting tablets, the pill cutters never cut equally and a knife ends up with a pile of powder  >:(

Mind you I have problems with the same dose of a different brand.  Once my body gets used to a certain brand a change of brand causes me upset. My local pharmacy knows this and ties to give me the same brand whenever possible.

We must be very sensitive to these medications  :(
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: Lizab on March 16, 2016, 04:13:45 PM
I had this, much like Danger mouse described. It felt like either allergy-type inflammation or the dopey fuzzy dry head feeling of antihistimines. I was half convinced that they were missing the mark on saying menopause and I had something wrong with my brain. It has subsided. I don't know if it was simply lack of estrogen or generally being imbalanced. I had it before I started hrt, then in the first 2 month of hrt I was on a rollercoaster and it would come and go. It's possible that it's the change in hrt and you'll adjust. I suppose if you don't adjust you'll know it's the step down in estrogen causing it.
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: CLKD on March 16, 2016, 04:45:20 PM
Himself suggests it's absorption rate babyjane ………. and because I can't tolerate the heavy headed feelings I have taken 5mg in the morning and cut out the night time dose = feeling queasy and brain is becoming depressed ……..

It has lifted now - odd that!
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: babyjane on March 17, 2016, 05:06:45 PM
Well after speaking to my GP I am kicking the ADs, nasty toxic things and they weren't helping anyway  :P
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: Smokey on March 18, 2016, 04:25:17 PM
Hi everyone

Thanks for your replys, my heavy head is not so bad now seemed to disappear .

I had a good day yesterday and actually went out twice and felt quite well.

Today however I don't feel well at all, more tired aching legs a bit of a headache and generally just feeling yuck. Concentration poor and more worn out than usual.

Maybe it's a bug typical one day out feeling good now this just my luck!

Ann x
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: CLKD on March 18, 2016, 08:19:06 PM
Maybe you aren't hydrated enough?

Babyjane - ADs aren't toxic  ;). 
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: babyjane on March 19, 2016, 09:50:43 AM
they are to me, many drugs and medications have a toxic effect on me, it is, sadly, part of my metabolic make up and why I take such ridiculously small doses if I have to take anything at all.  My GP, consultant and endocrinologist have all concurred with the same conclusion, half the lowest recommended dose affects me like the full dose would anyone else. I am the same with alcohol, it goes into my bloodstream neat, without being filtered. I get tipsy on the communion wine (I kid you not!)

If it was a matter between life and death of course I would endure whatever, but if not I am better without ADs and antibiotics especially as has been proven in the past

Babyjane - ADs aren't toxic  ;). 
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: CLKD on March 19, 2016, 11:29:20 AM
AAhhh ……

As another aside: can anyone explain why my head feels like it's moving in my skull?  I didn't take any medication last night as I wanted a complete break - took 5mg AD at breakfast.  When I move my head floats inside  ::) ……. enough to make me go 'oh!' …… it's happened B4 so I'm not particular phased by it, but would love to know why ?  Surely my brain ain't actually whooshing around  :-\
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: Smokey on March 19, 2016, 11:42:12 AM
Hi CLKD

It could be that your brain is crying out for the AD you missed last night?  Are you feeling same now after you've had time to absorb this mornings dose?

Ann x
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: babyjane on March 19, 2016, 11:55:08 AM
your brain gets used to a regular sustained dose.  The last few days of inconsistency could be enough to cause some instability.  When you regain your normal regime the sensations will probably abate as you didn't have them before this hiccup did you?

I have had a few head symptoms since stopping my ultra low dose of the same AD you take.
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: CLKD on March 19, 2016, 12:10:06 PM
It's what is happening inside that intrigues me  ::) - it's like the brain has shrunk so that there's more room for movement …..
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: babyjane on March 19, 2016, 02:08:21 PM
I'm not sure it is really moving, it is just the result of the swimmy feelings caused by the chemical changes.
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: Lizab on March 19, 2016, 04:05:23 PM
Could you be slightly dehydrated, CKLD? Maybe your brain really is shrinking!  :D No, really, sometimes not drinking enough water has strange effects on my head. Having a couple extra glasses can set me right again. I've always teetered on chronic dehydration and I feel the effects more as I get older.
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: CLKD on March 19, 2016, 07:42:15 PM
Himself makes sure that I have plenty to drink.  Right now a cuppa with 2 sugars.  I know it's the medication but what makes the brain move?   :-\ maybe it's contracting?
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: babyjane on March 19, 2016, 09:49:04 PM
I don't think it is, it just feels like it is.

what makes the brain move?   :-\ maybe it's contracting?
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: Kate50 on March 20, 2016, 06:36:03 AM
I can't take drugs very well babyjane get heavy head very readily.  Alcohol as well since starting meno that's why I needed to see Studd cos headache all the time on oral hrt. Took first utrogestan last night and woke up with a cracker this morning.  If I have too much oestrogen I get headaches.  As for drugs not being toxic I would say they are my sister takes a med for her epilepsy that's used as other treatments for depression etc and she has to have yearly liver tests cos of the damage they are Slowly doing to her liver. I suppose anything is toxic if your gut isn't working so well and it stays inside you for a long time!  The physical complaints are starting to get better on hrt but I def felt healthier without it.
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: babyjane on March 20, 2016, 10:18:27 AM
My brushes with oestrogen in the past have always been detrimental to me.  I couldn't tolerate the BCP after my first baby was born and a couple of tries with HRT 12 years ago caused more problems than it solved.  I am oversensitive to anything that alters the physical dynamic of my system.  Even if I get benefits to begin with they are short lived and do not last.

As I said, if it was a matter of life and death or serious illness I would not be stupid but if it is something I can do without I prefer to.

Since stopping the ADs last week I get a heavy head in the mornings but it eases off over the course of the day.  Now paracetamol I can take, but not Ibuprofen.
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: Kate50 on March 20, 2016, 10:31:49 AM
Lol same here I get a headache from taking Co codamol! 
Title: Re: Another symptom - Heavy head
Post by: babyjane on March 20, 2016, 11:08:57 AM
that has codeine in it.  I remember the first time our daughter took co codamol, she collapsed and was quite ill.  It happened the next 2 times too so she avoids it now.

I remember on a holiday years ago I had a bad headache so my husband went to the campsite shop and all he could get was Anadin.  The more I took the worse the headache got and after 3 days I noticed on the packet that these headache tablets contained caffeine which is known to cause headaches!!