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Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: Tinkerbellj on January 21, 2016, 02:35:30 PM
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Sorry but need to say this I just cant take this anymore. Its been 15months of.pure hell. Its not just the constant pain and physical symptoms its the continous feeling of pure sadness . I dont think I will ever laugh or smile again. My personality has completely changed I hate everyone and everything doctors r completely useless and I dont have the energy to fight anymore. I give up hormones u win enough is enough. No one understands this is a living hell.....
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Hi hun i know exactly the hell you feel this was me a few weeks ago,my story is i started hrt for 9 wks and it made me feel angry and hateful to everyone including grandkids ,i couldnt help my self ,it felt like life was no longer worth living .
I telephoned my dr ,who advised me to stop hrt straight away and wrote me a prescription for fluoxetine ( prozac)....1 mth down the line and i feel so well in all aspects mood ,sleep .reduced night sweats .
I know one size dose.nt fit all but please dont continue to suffer as there is help out there ....BIG HUGS xx
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Thank u x I have been down that line tried what feels.like every anti depressant under the sun they all make.me feel sick. I have two little ones I am 47 this started right after the birth of my son 15 months ago I am on my 5 th hrt I have constant stomach pains have been refered for colonoscopy. My dad died from undiagnosed bowel cancer I am anxious all the time no energy and sooo upset that my . babies have lost their mummy.
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I understand. I have young kids too, and I don't know what happened to me. Unfortunately, I don't have any advice for you. But I do understand. Hang in there.
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Sorry to hear that Tinkerbellj,it sounds like anxiety as well as hormone related.your sure going through a very tough time,and sounds like you need to go back to your Gp even if its for a referral to see a consultant,there could be something out there that could help.
Keep us all updated on how your doing ..keep knocking on them doors xx
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i have always been a fiery person quick tempered but not often always said what i thought etc
a couple of years ago this got worse i once nearly had a fight with a woman walking my dogs i could have smashed her face into the ground
looking bak i now knwo its my hormones and i check my self try to breath and look out side myself (if that makes sense ) they say knowledge is ower and i have read lots on the peri meno and depression anxiety
i know that eveyone is different but thats my experience i hope you get sorted xx
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Thank u all so much .I really am not prone to feeling sorry for myself at all I have been thru all sorts of health issues but this is rediculous. Started evorel sequi patches last friday and I have a funny taste in my mouth low grade headache but its the mood. I am now in tears cuz I yelled at my wee daughter for makin a mess. She is only 4 tired knockin doors no on e cares I even had a gp on friday whom I dont kniw get up and hug me cuz he didnt know what else to do for me. He gave me diazapam
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Have you got a partner or a good friend to have a good old heart to heart with,perhaps getting it all of your chest might help.
I know how hard it is to open up to someone when you feel like that its easier to shout than it is to open up .
Myself i just broke down one day and cried and cried,and my hubby said he didnt realise how bad i felt ( men for you lol ).
If none of that is possible then keep on this forum there will always be someone on here very wise and helpful x
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As its only been a relatively short time since the birth of your little one sounds like it could be PND :-\
I believe that hrt is great for physical symptoms but its not that great for emotional ones . Diazepam will help calm you down a bit but wont help with lifting you up out of your low mood .
There are some ladies on here who have suffered with PND hopefully they will come along to share their insights..... GRL ?
Hope you find some answers soon.
:hug:
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Don't give up. Can you try and get an appointment at your surgery with the most sympathetic GP there and just tell them exactly what you have said here and ask for a referral to a menopause clinic and also the psychiatric services as it may be that you also need some intense psychological therapy as well. I think you also have fibromyalgia which will be impacting on and affected by all the hormonal upheaval and it maybe that more needs doing to address that as well.
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I do have fibro had it since I was 24 and I have been to the hrt clinic but not much help tbh very nice but just change the hrt and only after I basically cried cuz I felt so awful on the other types. I have an appt on tues to discuss my mum she has early onset altzimers and I am her carer so hopefully I can get someone to listen then I really am at rock bottom partner doesnt understand and because I just keep on keeping in my friends dont really understand either cuz I have always coped ladies thanks so much for your support x
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I know you say you have tried every anti depressant, but I'm wondering how long for. They are wicked some of them at the beginning as it feels like they make you worse to start with which they do, and the nausea and loss of appetite but after a few weeks it really does settle. See it like having morning sickness, a necessary evil to get the end result. You owe it to your children to get better somehow and I think, so if I sound bossy, that antidepressants will help you but you must give them enough time to work.
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For what its worth if anything, I tried virtually every SNRI anti depressant there I including the tricyclics. After many years my GP started me 9 months ago on a different type its called Trazodone. It was invented just before SNRI's and they took over the market. Its not been a miracle cure but its the only one that I've been able to stick to and trust.
It may be worth just asking your gp about it if you were looking for another tool in the box.
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STOP right there! I haven't read the other responses but it sounds like post natal depression. Make an appt. to see a Midwife or Health Visitor ASAP! PND can begin anytime up to 3 years after having a baby so if your youngest is 15 months old …… and most of the ADs made me feel very very sick but there are older medications that can be used for calming.
What help do you have around the house with the babes?
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I said PND too ,Im sure you need to ask for help with this .
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I'm not a GP, but think I can safely say you most probably have PND. I recognise everything you describe because I had PND too. I knew even before I left hospital with my baby that something was very wrong, because I wanted to leave her behind and pretend she hadn't happened. Absolutely crazy, I know. But it seemed a workable idea to me at the time.
Within a few days I thought I was having a breakdown. Crippling anxiety, irrational thoughts, waves of dread, constant tears. I was barely able to take care of myself, let alone my baby, so my Mum had to come and help every day.
My HV and GP diagnosed me with PND and I tried Prozac. Didn't like it, made me feel spaced out and wooden. Same with Sertraline which made my anxiety worse. Then I tried Amitriptyline, an older tricyclic, but wonderful stuff. I only took 50mg which is a low dose but it made me sleep beautifully and stopped the waves of anxiety and dread. It took about 6 weeks to work fully but it saved me.
Have you tried it? I do know that most SSRIs will make you feel worse before you feel better. 90% of serotonin is actually created and stored in your gut, this is why SSRIs can really upset your stomach at first. But symptoms tend to settle within 4 weeks.
It's lovely that your GP is sympathetic but really you need a specialist for this. Can you see a gynaecologist privately? It will cost about £175 but they are the experts. They will likely try to treat you with hormone therapy as opposed to ADs, which is the correct thing to try.
Have you read Prof. Studd's website? He talks a lot about hormonal depression. You will immediately recognise yourself in his case studies. I recognised myself too.
There is help out there for you, you just need to get the right help. But you will recover from this.
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After reading the other responses regarding post natal depression, I thought I would add my experience. These wacky hormones are very confusing.
My erratic, flooding, spot all month periods began when my youngest was 14 months. In hindsight, I was very emotional too. I attributed everything to hormone fluctuations from weaning, even though my periods had returned regularly at 6 months.
Things settled for a few months then went wild again. This is when the gynecologist first mentioned perimenopause and ran tests to rule out cysts, fibroids, etc. At this point I was still sane and happy.
A year later, I lost my mind (or I felt like it anyway). At that point is when my gp found my FSH level to be very high, and felt confident confirming it is menopause.
My purpose in telling all that, is to say that it really doesn't matter if it's post natal depression or perimenopause. I believe it is your hormones. Most likely your body is trying to find balance after pregnancy and birth, while trying to transition into menopause. It's a combo from hell, I know. As the others have said, don't give up. Hopefully some doctor will have some kind of relief for you, but even if not, keep going. Your body will eventually find the balance. That's what I'm counting on for me anyhow. Good luck
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Yes, you're right Lizab. I was only 32 when I had PND and although it was obviously a hormonal illness, I was able to fully recover and enjoy another 10 years of 'normality' before the perimenopause hit, and brought back all the same hormonal depression and anxiety again.
On Prof. Studd's site he cites that many of his patients had PND in their 30s and then never really felt 100% well again for the next 10 years, before ending up in his office suffering with extreme PMDD or perimenopause. I believe that for an unlucky few PMS just segues into PND which then segues into several years of perimenopause Hell.
Prof. Studd says as much, and he firmly believes that PND should be treated with hormones, not ADs. I know when I was on Prozac and Sertraline for PND I felt robotic. No more fears and tears, but no joy or smiles either. I felt very chilled on Amitriptyline but I felt almost too dreamy, and found it hard to get bothered about anything at all, which isn't necessarily a good thing (though far preferable to the intense anxiety).
Eventually I stopped ADs and was fine. I think that basically, as you say, my endocrine system had rebalanced itself in the background while I'd been on ADs for a couple of years.
I am trialling HRT at the moment and see Annie Evans in 6 week's time so I sincerely hope I will find a 'cure' for my hormonal anxiety and low mood which suck all the cour out of my life.
But evenso I do believe that in the long term my body will rebalance itself as I become menopausal. And that these years of awfulness will slowly fade and become just a dark memory like my 2 years of PND did.
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Let us know how you get on! PND needs treatment ASAP!
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Hi Tinkerbell - I just wanted to send you a hug. A lot on your plate. Can you try a bit of self compassion and allow yourself to not be OK, just for a few minutes and take the added pressure off? You sound completely overwhelmed. You also sound like you are doing a great job of tackling things and trying to solve issues and get support. x
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Sounds like PND to me too - never had kids but a lot of friends have had PND & it's sounding awfully familiar. There is loads that can be done to help - one friend suffered with all 3 of her kids but it has got better each time because they keep coming up with new ways to help. Please don't worry about seeing your GP - they see PND mums all the time. If you're worried about how you'll feel, take your partner or a trusted friend along with you for support. Sending huge hugs and wishes that things will brighten for you soon.
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I also wanted to send you hugs and reassurance. I have 2 little ones my youngest nearly 2 and I had PND I didnt recognise it until recently. I had the classic pmt, PND, progesterone intolerance history I was a mess and then I saw Prof Studd (appreciate im lucky to be able to pay) im not totally fixed but im hugely better. I think this is all hormonal and you can and will get better,..agree you need a referral or could you go private? Prof Studd is excellent at treating ladies with your kind of issues I think his hrt prescription is the best ...I know how awful it is coping with little ones and all of this. Please get some help life can be good again x
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Thank u all so much for your support it means such a lot. I do think I have pnd and told several doctors this they just igbored me saying oh thats natural or well if u cant take ads what can we do I have changed last fri to evorel patch 59mg and my menopausal symptoms have come fkooding back with added headaches. I would be happy to go private but would love a recommendation I live in northern ireland and have gone private before but they r just doctors who havent a clue. I think I will bring thearticle with me I think it was gypsy who said it prof studd it just rings so many bells why will no doc listen. Even if I ring today it will be two weeks before I see a doc. I am soooo tired and I have started vomiting again in the mornings. I really dont have the energy to fit anymore.should I up the hrt myself? The thought of ringing the hrt clinic again makes me feel ill. They will just say give it more time but I know my ow n body. I have been ill before but never ever felt this despondent. My health visitor even rang my gp and said I jad pnd and they did nothing. I have had amytryptilyn and it did work but I put on loads of weight and felt constantly tired. I took it for pain. I have called my health visitor and asked her to contact me. She is also menopausal so understands and she is lovely. I just want to go to bed and stay there. I have put my wee one for a nap bit cant sleep cuz I keep thinking he will stop breathing while asleep. I was like this with my daughter too I explained all this. Nothing done they just looked at me.
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Can you ask your health visitor if she can do any more to get you help from the GP? She sounds great, at least you have someone who is understanding and supportive; it's a start! If you go back to the GP, think about taking someone with you who can fight your corner for you - problem is that when we feel so weak, we don't have the energy to argue with a GP, so it can help having someone else to do it for you!
Meanwhile, shout loudly for help with the day-to-day stuff so you can get a break. Maybe ask a good friend to watch your baby for you for a couple of hours so you can rest? Or ask someone to do the shopping/cook a meal/run a vacuum round. Don't be afraid to admit you need some practical help to get you through the next few months. True friends will want to help...and you don't really need other kinds of friends!
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http://www.4ni.co.uk/c/78427/post-natal-depression-group-belfast
https://www.nct.org.uk/parenting/postnatal-depression
http://www.pandasfoundation.org.uk
http://www.familysupportni.gov.uk/listing/aware-defeat-depression-belfast/
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Thank you CLKD :thankyou:
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Wow thanks for taking the time to do that!! I am going to go private I have decided so am on the hunt for a good gynae who can treat pnd with hormones etc. Have emailled the ulster clinic to ask if they can recommend anyone as I know not all cinsultants r the same.!
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You are very welcome. GPs should not ignore PND :bang: :bang: :bang: - let us know how you get on!
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not sure if anyone else mentioned this. But when I started my AD's I got some sweets for the sickness, there are two types (to buy on line, they may have them in boots too) one are for people on chemo for the sickness and another lot are for pregnancy, I got both and they worked for me. When I mentioned it here I know other ladies tried travel sick pills for the nausea.
Just a couple of ideas. I am on AD's for the peri meno. Last time I was on them was 25 years ago for PND - so I do know exactly how you are feeling.
Take Care and hope you have found some small comfort here.
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would never think of buying appropriate sweets - have taken travel sick tablets to get me to sleep many years ago ….
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Well I rang the hrt clinic this morning and explained that I am sure I have pnd and how I feel. Initally they said go to gp but I explained I have been to six different gos and they all dismissed it so she said she would make me an emergancy appt with dr mcmanus there hopefully a cancellation as she classed it as an emergancy when I todl her how I have been
I mentioned prof studd etc and she knew exactly what it was and said I have no need to go to that expense as dr mcmanus can do the same thing for me here. Light at the end of the tunnel! !! Fingers crossed
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That sounds more positive. I wish you all the best :foryou:
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Hello Tinkerbelly.
I just wanted to say well done for being insistent and getting the appointment that you need.
I hope you get the correct help and please let us know how you get on.
Wishing you well.
K.
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Its thanks to everyone here who gave me the ammunition I needed thanks so much x
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this forum has a lot to answer for, where would we be without all the advice, tips and encouragement, I dread to think :-\
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But we *are* here ;) - was it BT, 'it's good to talk'?
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Nurse frim hrt clinic just rang have an appt with the cinsultant on friday morning.result. just hope she listens. Will be going with my print outs of all the info frim nice and prof studd!!
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Let us know how you get you!
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Sorry but need to say this I just cant take this anymore. Its been 15months of.pure hell. Its not just the constant pain and physical symptoms its the continous feeling of pure sadness . I dont think I will ever laugh or smile again. My personality has completely changed I hate everyone and everything doctors r completely useless and I dont have the energy to fight anymore. I give up hormones u win enough is enough. No one understands this is a living hell.....
Sweetie it is hell and the sadness for some of us like me never goes away
My personality changed I became the Bitch Troll From Hell truly horrible and so sad@angry
But try to concentrate on good things thats what got me though
Go to GP sit and chat OK xxxxxxxxxxx
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Well done for persevering! Let us know how you get on on Friday.
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It has made me think about those who dont have the suoport or ability to ask for help. I raised the issue of pnd with the hospital before birth after my son was born and to every midwife I came I contact with since. Also the health visitors and no less than 6 separate doctors. I even had to ask for my own hormone profile at my post natal cuz I k ew something wasnt right. The medical profession oay lip service to pnd but r actually clueless when faced with it. I have waisted 15 precious months with my baby and my 4 year old cuz no one would help. am I mad now hell yeah mo more I will sit on the floor of the clinic til I get what I want menopause my arse!! And menopause can kiss my ass . All suggestions for the prescription for oestrogen gel and bioidentical progesterone welcome!! They have already said they wont give me testerone. We will see. Mind u my bp was really high yesterday when the nurse checked it I felt like screaming no bloody wonder!!!
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Best of luck for Friday, and well done for finding the courage to sort it out, very hard when feeling as you do I know.
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Best of luck for Friday, Tinkerbell !!
Just read your thread through, and I do feel for you, really I do.... xx
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You are unlikely to get testosterone ……… have you looked at any of the Links to the various support groups for PND?
Let us know how you get on.
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Good luck with your appointment Tinkerbellj!
At this point I am wondering why you want testosterone? It may well be that once you have started on the right dose of oestrogen you will feel heaps better. At a later stage you may well be able to try to ask for T especially if your libido is non-existent and doesn't improve with the oestrogen. The new NICE Guidelines make provision for women to be prescribed testosterone off-licence and I am still waiting for a member to say she has been successful in obtaining this from her GP on the NHS (without specialist referral)
Hurdity x
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So sorry to hear what you are going through Tinkerbell. I agree that it would be a good idea to stick with an antidepressant for a while. The nausea and side effects will go and you should start feeling human again. I have fibromyalgia, ME, endometriosis, fibroids, my Dad had Dementia and died in 2009 and my Mum died 3 years later, all while I have been bringing up my now nearly 12 year old. I'm not sure I would have survived without an antidepressant. Please give it a go and hopefully it will help you cope. It sounds like you have had and are likely to continue to have a lot on your plate and it just might help and possibly some cognitive behavioural therapy. That also really helped me. Best wishes Jan xxx
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Hey Tinkerbell,
Sorry to hear you're having such a rough time. Hope you have a more positive appointment tomorrow. You deserve to be able to enjoy your little ones and have suffered long enough. Big hugs xxx
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Omg I have no words I am so fustrated. Saw consultant today totally dismissed pnd and said u dont treat it with hormones anyway sorry but wtf. Basically I have to stop all hrt wait til I have a period then have my profile taken again and she will see me beginning of april. I cant see me making it to the end of the day let alone april. She said it could be a case of not tolerating any hormones even thou I did say the gel worked well . She said I should be more realisitic about what I can do at my age . Im 47! Also perimenopause is very difficult to treat as its not a case of no hormones but they r fluctuating a lot. So what we just dont bother to try cuz thats what it feels like. Thats why I wanted the gel so I could alter it myself. I told her about what I had read re prof studd and she dismissed it immediately. She made me feel like I was just a pain cuz I didnt confirm to the norm she even commented on how much was in my file from nov! So deflated what do I do now?
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Go back to your GP! Ask to see a menopause specialist or send an e-mail to Dr Currie.
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Also, read the Links that I posted on page 3 and contact the various PND support groups!
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Oh I'm so sorry for you, and angry too!!! >:( :-\
March straight back to your GP and demand to be referred elsewhere - be it another specialist in his place, or menopause clinic - or both!!!!!
It is your right to do this. I'd be livid.
Not the same but similar, my first GP told me after the second lot of synthetic prog wasn't suiting (to say the least!) that perhaps HRT just 'wasn't for me' :o :o I demanded to be ref'd elsewhere (in tears mind you! :D) and that's when I got utrogestan.
Keep up the momentum - and hang in there. Hugs x
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I am appalled on your behalf. I had a similar, soul destroying appointment before Xmas with a similar sounding doctor.
She tried to push me into having the Mirena again, even though it sent me round the bend last time. Then tried to get me to take Elleste Duet which contains Norethisterone, which is notorious for causing the very anxiety and mood swings I was so desperate to 'cure'. She also mocked me 'for reading too much' about menopause.
I genuinely hated her. And I very much hope, in years to come, that she ends up suffering how I am suffering now.
But, please don't lose hope. There are other consultants. Don't forget, not all gynaecologists specialise in hormones and the menopause. I cannot believe your doctor dismissed Prof Studd when he is probably the leading world expert on this. Probably professional envy.
Are you able to pay to see a proper specialist such as Annie Evans, Nick Panay or even Studd? I see Annie Evans in a month, and if she can help it will be worth every penny.
Perimenopause has stolen my life away these last 2 years and it's been nearly unbearable at times.
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sorry you had such a rotten visit. Reminds me of when I turned 40 and saw a specialist for arthritis in my knee, and was told to go home and spend more time in my armchair, what did I expect at my age >:(
Good advice above, and also (my usual song) if you have no joy with GP change to a new one. I had 3.5years of being treated badly by GP's, and the DH is going through it now too. Remember you do not deserve to feel this bad, you deserve better.
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Omg I have no words I am so fustrated. Saw consultant today totally dismissed pnd and said u dont treat it with hormones anyway sorry but wtf. Basically I have to stop all hrt wait til I have a period then have my profile taken again and she will see me beginning of april. I cant see me making it to the end of the day let alone april. She said it could be a case of not tolerating any hormones even thou I did say the gel worked well . She said I should be more realisitic about what I can do at my age . Im 47! Also perimenopause is very difficult to treat as its not a case of no hormones but they r fluctuating a lot. So what we just dont bother to try cuz thats what it feels like. Thats why I wanted the gel so I could alter it myself. I told her about what I had read re prof studd and she dismissed it immediately. She made me feel like I was just a pain cuz I didnt confirm to the norm she even commented on how much was in my file from nov! So deflated what do I do now?
Oh poor you! Was this a gynaecologist? How dare these people treat emotionally vulnerable women ( which is what menopausal women are) in this unsympathetic manner.
I know there is some controversy about Studd's views on the hormonal treatment for reproductive depression amongst psychiatrists - and that is definitely due to professional protection of their field - but surely knowledgeable specialists must understand how much of women's emotional state is caused by hormonal changes, and any cyclical symptoms obviously are!
As for the age thing - words fail me. 47?!!!! >:( . Heavens you are so young - many women expect to live to 90 and beyond - what does she think you're going to do - sit in a chair and cry for 40 + years?
I would go back to your GP and ask for another referral - hopefully to a menopause clinic if this wasn't?
So sorry to hear about your treatment. She is right that peri-menopause is difficult to treat but that doesn't mean that she/you should give up.....
Hope you manage to do something about this but in the meantime have a :bighug:
Hurdity x
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Thanks again ladies for your excellent support as usual. This was a so called menopause specialist at the hrt clinic. Honestly the thoufht of taking nothing makea me feel ill. I tried explaining things but just couldn't grt her to inderstand. I think I will go to my gp and ask for the gel myself. What I don't get is on one hand she said fsh levels dont prove anything and on the other its detox your body from all the hrt hornones and we will take bloods oh and wait to see if your periods come back. My periods have been and until I started hrt completely regular. She said the amount of hormone I was getting from the patch was very small and not enough to cause the things I am describing like nausea bloating etc yet it has been enough to stop the sweats. I swear , am tempted to go on the pill or just stick two or three patches on at once and see what happens. Have to get my day 3 hormone profile done when my.period arrives . I have taken my patch off but honestly my joint pains r terrible and I have cried all day. I feel like a victim and I hate that and she made me feel like I don't kbjw my m own body. I wonder if I had seen her privately would it have been different?? I also mentioned libido and her reply was u have two small children and u r 47 what do u expect. Its normal to just be too tired! .I honestly think I will look for another specialist. April is a long time away.
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from what you have said this doctor sounds unprofessional to me, at the very least unhelpful nd rather uncaring and I am so very sorry you are feeling like this. Please believe there are some good doctors out there, I sincerely hope that you can find one as it is the very least you deserve. I know that doesn't help you now but hopefully things will improve for you soon.
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Tinkerbell, that is the pits. I would love to know what Professor Studd thinks about it but of course he is too professional to say.
My advice is don't waste any more of you valuable time. It is your life and you are in control of it. Why not take some advice from someone who actually knows what they are talking about. I suggest Professor Studd, Dr. Annie Evans or Dr. Nick Panay. It will cost you a few hundred quid but it could the best few hundred quid you ever spent. I know it is not always easy to get hold of that sort of money but I think this is an emergency.
If it really is too difficult and you can't see a specialist and you own doctor is no help, buy the gel online yourself and try it out. It can't be any more risky than consulting a doctor who doesn't know what they are doing. I despair.
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Everyone's responses are incredibly polite. I'm sorry but the consultant sounds like a real bitch to me! She may have some sound reasoning for wanting to clear your system and run fresh tests. Who knows? No one knows because she obviously did a terrible job communicating with you! That is frustrating, but don't despair. I've found (in other issues in the past) that some doctors either don't understand me or I don't understand them. Whatever the case, the communication is broken and I end up feeling belittled and frustrated and that I'm wasting my time and I'll die before I find help.
As I said, there may be sound reasoning behind the consultant's course of action for you, but this consultant is not going to work for you. Personally, I would follow her recommendations while you are seeking another consult. That way, if the next consult suggests the same thing but explains it better, you'll not lose any time waiting for the hrt to clear your system.
I'm so sorry you're going through this. I have a great gp but kind of got caught up with a similar gynecologist before I got too frustrated it all. My gynecologist actually told me I needed to decide who would handle all my care (thyroid, perimenopause, annual exams, etc) her or my gp, that she wouldn't treat only my gyne issues. My gp has handled the rest of my body for years, doesn't belittle me, and I can get an appointment when I need it or a personal email response, and I don't have to chase him down for lab and scan results. You can imagine it was not a hard decision to not go back to her.
Find a good doctor. There are some out there.
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I am so sorry to hear that your gps are rubbish, honestly some of them need struck off. I have a couple of great gps at my surgery so I am blessed. If it's at all possible could you join another practice maybe get better gps in another one. I think if this was me I would put a complaint in higher up see what happens then. Good luck and don't give up try and think just one day at a time xxx
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This was the supposed head of gynae and hrt in nortjern Ireland. I even inquired about a private cons here and got her name as well. God help us all if that's as good as it gets
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Tinkerbell...bless you Hun I know how you must be feeling I felt like you a few weeks ago. I was going to my GP at the point of collapse, so depressed, nauseous (like I was going to vomit any minute) awful stomach ache and bloated. It was all depression! I had restarted my Oestrogel but it wasn't helping. It wasn't until I got on an antidepressent that I started to pick up. Firstly it was Trazadone and now Dosulepin my old AD. Like you I am very sensitive to meds. I have now restarted Oestrogel to see if it helps my recovery, but I am now postmenopause. My perimenopause was really up and down too, but I realise now in relation to you if your periods are still regular therefore still producing oestrogen and progesterone HRT can upset the balance. What the consultant said about taking nothing for now might be a good idea to see where you are. Meantime get back to the GP and demand psychological help CBT or councelling and an antidepressent would help. Have you got friends and family to support you while you're struggling?
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Thank u for understanding x I have been hiding how I really feel tbh but I broke down to my friends yesterday. I am due to work tomorrow but dont think I will make it. The pain today is terrible. Burning limbs and terrible stomach pain. My hubby has gone to visit his mum with the kids. I couldn't go. So havin a day on the sofa. Fed up watching life pass me by. Will try to get a gp appt tomorrow with a gp I know is good but will be at least 2 weeks.if I could even get on top of this pain (I have fibro and the hormones seem to be making this worse) X
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Be KIND to you! If your body is poorly, then rest. You have a break from the family for a while, try to doze and let it all pass over. This will pass!
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Tinkerbell, so sorry you are suffering in this way. Please try to see a specialist under your own steam if you can.
Keepgoing, you are so right, there are some dangerously bad doctors out there who definitely need to be struck off. I could do a better job than some of them.
I think the way Tinkerbell has been treated is a load of pants. I hope there are plenty of doctors reading this forum right now.
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Means a lot ladies thanks so much xx
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It is so frustrating when I know there are doctors who do a good job. I would like to wrap Tinkerbell up and take her to our practice to get some proper attention :(
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So sorry to hear how you are feeling. Nobody can feel exactly the way that you do, but there are plenty out there who empathise. Have you thought of contacting The Samaritans? They are non- judgemental, confidential and are available 24 hours a day. They are excellent at listening to your fears and worries and can help you when you are feeling helpless. They don't judge or give advice, but can help you with your feelings and emotions. They won't cure you symptoms, but may help you get your thoughts in order. Good luck. X
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Ok so I phoned my practice nurse who had been concerned about my bp and had asked me to update her on my hrt appt. I relayed the whole.conversation word for word and she was appalled. She said even if it is correct to come off everything she wasnt exactly helpful or sympathetic and at the very least i need something to help deal with the pain and not just left hanging! So she made me an appointment with my own excellent gp who is impossible to get.....on friday horray. I feel so much better finally having a medical person acknowledge that I am in physical agony and thay I may have pnd. I have had two good days so probably better off hrt at the minute to be honest but then I also got teo full days in bed thanks to hubby and granny so helped enormously x
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Great to hear Tinkerbell! Good old practice nurses....save the day again. Let us know how you get on...good luck!
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Let us know how you get on. Now make that list?
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Sounds very promising. Good luck
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Could you have fibromyalgia? you describe pain and tiredness. I was diagnosed with it after having my daughter. Just something to consider xxxx
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Jazz I have fibro have had it since I was 24 so think the hormones really arent helping! Going to concentrate on getting thay pain under control and ask for x ray when see gp on friday then in two weeks will discuss with them about them giving me bio identical hormones for perimenopause depending on how I am getting on with taking nothing. Never had lower back pain like this before...... dont really want to concentrate to much on the fibro cuz experience tells me gps will leap on that as causing all the issues and send u packing.fibro is nasty hope u r ok xxx
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Are you able to take pain relief for the low back pain?
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Consultant told me to avoid codine as I have diverticulitis but its the only thing that works but I have an accupatch which works and am having reflexology which rocks!!
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Codiene is also addictive! Nurofen should be OK! ask a Pharmacist what products will ease symptoms.
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Ok so had appt and surprise surprise given anti depressant have to go back in 10 days to discuss the side effects which I know I will prob get cuz I always do and to diacuss pain relief cuz he side stepped the question . U only get 5 mins. He was surprised all my hrt was stopped and did say thw nhs will test my oestrogen and progesterone but not testerone. Might so it if requested by a private gynae!! He saod to be guided by the consultant rw hrt cuz she is the expert. god help us all she was horrible
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Oh no! I would be so upset, it does indeed sound like you are going round in circles! :-\
and 5 minutes??? That would start my anxiety off good and proper before I'd even started!! :-\
So you have to go back to the HRT 'expert'??? :-\
I'd be inclined to see another GP to talk about the side stepped pain relief, and to get their take on the whole thing.
I do realise though, that all this takes it out of you, so understand if you'd not want to do that. Gah!
Which antidepressant did he give you, if you don't mind me asking?
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Did the GP hustle you out the door ………
The GP can ask for the appropriate blood tests, however, hormones alter all the while so hormone tests are reliably un-reliable! Most GPs 'go' on symptoms.
Change your Surgery?
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He gave me trazodone but only . because I wasnt taking prozac citralapram etc been there done that dont agree with me. Took one threw up then went dizzy and fell asleep and that was on third of a dose prescribed oh joy back to see him in 15th he is the best gp in the practice understanding but get the impression his hands r tied . He said he didnt think it was pnd and it wasnt the babies fault it would have happened anyway ahhhhh I wasnt blaming my babies but it could still be pnd along with menopause??? Why r gps so reluctant to diagnose pnd when it is continuously practically rammed down your throat wjen u r pregnant! Leaflets everywhere in maternity units but no actual help! Then he asked how my partner was coping with it all. So help me.lord!!!!
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I don't think that you should wait that long :-\
Have you looked at any of the links posted here? Maybe ask to see a Health Visitor. Or ring the local Maternity Clinic and ask if you could have a chat with a Midwife?