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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: Joyce on October 28, 2015, 05:16:37 PM
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So sad, 16 year old boy stabbed at school up in my neck if the woods. He has since died. The school is in a very affluent area, houses are large & expensive. Very posh! Not something one would expect in that particular area. His poor parents, friends etc. :'(
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It is sad that this is happening more and more, apparently there was an incident in Sweden last week :'( ……..
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Shocking. What the heck are kids doing taking weapons to school?
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Reminds me of the school my kids went too.....and it sends shudders up my spine.
What on earth.....guess it's been a poo personal thing as only one boy has been attacked.
So very very sad
Honeyb
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Round here at some Schools the Police check each child going into and out of School :-\ ……..
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That must take hours CLKD!! Do they frisk them? Some secondary schools have over 1000 pupils!
Taz x
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Yep. The children are frisked; for knives, drugs, ciggies, mobile phones …….. this has been happening for 8 years and children are finally getting the message that there are Rules and the Police will continue to be at the gate. It isn't a small School either.
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It is a very nice school. My nephew went there.
The school my children went to had drug problems before they went, but is also very nice. It had 1600 pupils last time I looked. :o
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I would have hated that for my children every day. How awful to be searched every day.
We moved so that our children could go to a good school but unfortunately not everyone can do that.
Honeyb
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There is too much administration for teaching staff these days, so less time to spend with the children :-\
It would seem that bullying is at the back of this incident :'( ………
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Yep. The children are frisked; for knives, drugs, ciggies, mobile phones …….. this has been happening for 8 years and children are finally getting the message that there are Rules and the Police will continue to be at the gate. It isn't a small School either.
This is really interesting CLKD. It's not something that has been allowed here in our county. Can you tell us a little more about it? It seems to be setting a precedent. For the police to frisk possibly 500 pupils each day would mean they have to be in school earlier or it would impact on teaching times so I'm wondering how they persuaded parents to co-operate? Also it's taking the police away from their other duties. Do the school have any say in it do you know?
Taz x
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Yep. The School asked the Police to be present. I think that the potential trouble makers have been whittled out now and the Police presence makes any think twice ………. parents have been involved of course. It certainly doesn't take the Police away from 'duties' as such, it is one more issue to deal with each morning and evening …… they are present at the Gate to dis-courage any bullying ……..
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Ah being present at the gate is different to searching every pupil each morning for knives, drugs, cigarettes and mobile phones!
Taz x :-\
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I havne't been clear again - initially every pupil was frisked (about 8 years ago) the Police went into Schools in the area and talked and talked and …….. consequences were discussed with pupils. When I drive by the School in the mornings Police are present …….. it's a drip feed of consistency and any trouble makers are kept a close eye on. Some of course will be in the Police Record system anyway …….. when I was in School (400 all told) the Head knew every child and every childs' history as he was teaching 2/3 generation. So he knew how to advise the Staff about which children to watch. Living in the village made a difference too, in that he watched kids out of School time too ……. and then we were representing the School even out of Term time so would be called into the Office if he thought it necessary.
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That's clearer ;D
Taz x
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as mud :-\
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After listening to the news about further swingeing cuts for the police forces, it was said that there would be far less police presence on the streets. Apparently there is no evidence that police walking around prevents crime and only makes people feel safer. Of course there is no evidence or statistics. How do you measure crimes that aren't committed, because the police are around?
In our area, police liaison officers have been withdrawn from schools, despite being very effective building good relationships with children with challenging backgrounds. Short term money saving exercise.
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There was never anything like that at the school my kids went to. No police presence at all. Lots of prefects, a very strict head teacher....heck I knew him socially and I was scared of him ::), an awful lot of what the head called his team, and though it wasn't perfect is was very good. Parents were desperate to get kids in as they took a few from other areas.
Nor sure I think police are necessary in schools if the school has an effective leadership and good teachers.
Honeyb
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But valuable in schools where many of the children come from challenging backgrounds. Good liaison officers can build supportive relationships with students, instead of being seen as the enemy. There was no need for police presence in the school my children went to.
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Short sighted: if a Police presence is easing potentially dangerous situations and the presence is removed, it will eventually cost more with the Policing, Court Appearances, Social Worker input etc. >:(
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Sadly, short term financial policies are undertaken, rather than investing longterm.
In the 90s I helped run a preschool group for parents and children in an area of great need, one parent families, unemployment etc. Brilliant job as we helped parents have the confidence to come into school, even when they had had negative school experiences. We were able to support with parenting issues, behaviour, etc. There was so much positivity from our parents. Then the funding was withdrawn.......
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Home Start is up and running in this area ……..
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I used to be a volunteer with them.
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What is Home Start.
I stay in a quiet coastal area, and have often thanked my lucky stars that my kids did not have to go to an inner city school. My son is very dyslexic and it was only because he was in a tiny primary and then not the biggest secondary that we could access help.
I was in school a lot...volunteering, PTA, you name it I did it to get access to the teaching staff that could help him.
How on earth do kids manage when they are just a number and not a child with a name.
We were so very lucky.
Honeyb
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http://www.home-start.org.uk/
Taz x
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Thanks Taz, I had never heard of it before.
My kids primary had loads of parent helpers. We did reading and art and computing with them. I think the teachers and assistants appreciated the extra help and I loved it.
Honeyb
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Secondary I went to had heaps of kids from different areas & backgrounds. One bad year we had a few expulsions of pupils who were caught consuming alcohol etc. Police brought them back to apologise in front of whole school.
Some schools up beside us have had police offices incorporated into the building. One in particular has heaps of problems.
I knew a teacher back in the 70's who had all sorts to contend with. Being threatened with knives, chairs etc. It was common place at that school. This isn't something new, just something which we are more aware of.
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Schools have grown in numbers too …….. our Head knew every child by name and their back history whereas it seems that over-all the Headships are split into different parts of the Schools :-\. I have a friend who teaches and in 2 years has never seen the Head of School :o ……. on the same site but he never walks round