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Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: abbyH on October 19, 2015, 06:48:51 PM
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I read it was better to do on thighs, something about lymph glands
but today read (in one of the many pro-HRT articles, that 'Oestrogen creams and gels rubbed into the skin of the shoulder and forearm are absorbed better (avoid the thighs, because oestrogen loves fat and will make your thighs hold onto it, causing cellulite - the same is true for your tummy).
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So, should it be rubbed into arms or thighs?
I've been thigh-rubbing for a few months and haven't spotted any extra cellulite. any proof that oestrogen loves fat'?
thanks
Abby
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When I used it, I first used in on my thighs, but hated feeling of them sticking together afterwards, so switched to upper arm. Though can't say I noticed any extra cellulite when used on my thighs.
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Thanks cubagirl!
I will try it on arms too
I thought I'd read somewhere it should be applied below the waist - maybe someone else can remember the link or reason why?
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I rub it on my lower leg between knee and ankle and it dries so quickly theres not stickiness, then again I am only using one and a teeny bit pumps but dont think arms are a good idea, being too near the breast area.
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Do you have the carton which your gel came in? Mine always has a leaflet and on the HUGE leaflet there is a diagram of the body which shows shaded areas of where to apply. The areas to apply gel are marked; they are the upper thighs or the upper outer arms and shoulders.
I understand that it ought to be applied to areas that have fat cells which aids absorption. I think applying it to the shins is not recommended due to poor absorption- the shins have very little tissue.
I read the Daily Mail article- it's from a book by the doctor but was in fact written many years ago. There are some inaccuracies in the advice she gives, compared to current advice and whether this is the author's fault or the journalist who has edited the book(if it's edited) that's unclear.
Applying on the upper arms is fine. It should not be applied to the breasts themselves of course, but unless you are applying it to your inner arms then it shouldn't even touch your breasts, especially if you are wearing a bra or clothing.
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Personally I would not apply anywhere on the upper body ie shoulders or arms - despite what it says on the leaflet. All other transdermal oestrogen preparations (patches, and Sandrena gel) say to apply to lower trunk ie below the waist.
Also there is some dispute about whether it should be rubbed in as such. The instructions say "apply" implying spread ( which is how I apply tesosterone gel) although other women on here say their pharmacists has said it's OK to do this.
Hurdity x
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Is the issue with the patch though not one of appearance and making sure it doesn't fall off?
can you advise why it's better not to apply to the arms? I've been doing this for some time. It's obviously a concern if there are known or presumed higher risks.
The instructions with gel say it dries in 5 minutes, which it does. The instructions warn about transference within one hour by direct skin to skin contact with another person, especially male.
You don't rub it on. You smooth it on lightly with your whole hand and allow to dry.
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can you advise why it's better not to apply to the arms?
Would think if it's upper arms then it could be too close to the boobs.
Which is a big no no.
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I understand that Limpy, but the point is you have to be careful not to let your arms (outside edge not inner arm) touch your boobs which is fine if you wear a bra and a top after application -when it's dry.
I would assume the risk of breast cancer is to do with oestrogen being in the bloodstream- however it gets there. Be very happy to learn otherwise.
Since reading this post I looked online and every single piece of information about where to use gel says upper arms and some manufacturers say thighs. I found a Q&A to a pharmacist and their reply was use as directed and contact the manufacturers if you want to use in any other way.
Obviously it's worrying if there is something I/ we don't know about because I'd then change my behaviour!
This is the info for application here
http://www.estrogel.com/how-to-use-estrogel
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Don't know in detail.
But I saw this
"Exposure to oestrogen
The female hormone, oestrogen, can sometimes stimulate breast cancer cells and cause them to grow"
In the NHS site
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Cancer-of-the-breast-female/Pages/Causes.aspx
Suppose it depend on whether the NHS know anything about anything.
Don't think I'd be too keen on putting oestrogel or sticking a patch anywhere near my boobs though.
It's a bit like kissing somebody with a cold sore when the herpes virus is already in your system - not a good idea, it kicks things off again.
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I’m surprised that one of the ladies on here is not only commenting but is being quite forthright about something that I think they don’t even use (I think I read in a post that this lady uses patches?
I use patches - I commented because it's a transdermal method of delivery and felt it isn't that different to oestrogel. Certainly with patches the emphasis is applying them below waist level. Possibly the concern is with oestrogen triggering breast cancer? Local application of hormones do make a difference, think of using local oestrogen for VA.
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That is interesting and also somewhat reassuring Lucy to know that a dr uses it that way. I happen to know that Dr Evans had a hysterectomy- she's been open about this on radio- so her risk of breast cancer using oestrogen only will be lower anyway(according to the stats.)
I have though read that it ought not to be rubbed in (like a body lotion) but smeared on maybe like the way we'd rub a styling gel through our hair.
I'm not disagreeing with you, or what you were told, but I think the link I posted says just smooth it on....? So it becomes confusing.
I'd assume a patch is different because it releases the product slowly but continuously. This is a very different process to gel which is applied once or twice a day; you can swim or bathe an hour after application so the product is then in the blood stream and not constantly being absorbed into the tissues. I completely understand not applying the gel to the breasts or very near to them on the torso because this could directly stimulate the breast tissue. But our outer arms are not in contact with the breasts and I don't know if it's right to extrapolate 'don't apply on the breast area' to 'don't apply anywhere on the upper body or upper limbs'.
Interesting discussion but it's certainly worrying me that what I've been doing is dangerous.
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As stated earlier I was told and always have been to rub it in deeply and slowly until it is absorbed, only takes a few mins. I have used it like this for the past 10 yrs if not more and have never had any issues and boy it works, only one and a bit plunges and no symptoms whatsoever, perhaps I am just fortunate, but I do believe rubbing it in is the answer....
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It's confusing.
These are what the instructions say in the link I posted
Using your hand, apply EstroGel to the skin of your other arm.
Spread the gel as thinly as possible from your wrist to your shoulder.
Do not massage or rub in EstroGel. Allow the gel to dry for up to 5 minutes before you get dressed.
Do not apply EstroGel directly to your breasts or in and around your vagina.
I'd not be able to spread from wrist to shoulder as I use 1 pump over 2 arms, morning and evening, so I am only applying half a pump to each arm, which is a tiny amount.
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1 pump could easily be rubbed into an arm if needs be :)
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As the OP - im still no clearer as to where I should be applying it!
I've been applying it on legs - inner thighs but recntly switched to upper arms
which is best!
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Abby x
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As the OP - im still no clearer as to where I should be applying it!
I've been applying it on legs - inner thighs but recntly switched to upper arms
which is best!
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Abby x
Abby - there have been a few comments expressed here.
Use those to inform your decision :)
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I alternate inner thighs and back of calfs have never used it on my inner arms been over 10 yrs. One time I used it on the soles of my feet bit daft, it caused breakthrough spotting, can you believe it, so I reckon certain areas of our body take it up easier than others. I dont think you can go wrong with alternating legs.....:)
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Has anyone used estrogel & estrodot as my consultant has suggested both but I'm starting slowly on the estrogel. The estrodot is 25 so not a large dose. I used the estrogel for the first time today.
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One site says you can rub it on your face!?
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One site says you can use on your face!?
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I have been applying to inner thighs and running it in! I have seen a post that says inner forearm where the skin is thin! Does anyone else do this?trying to find a better area to absorb
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Interesting topic
I use 4 pumps, one each on inner thighs and outer arms. I go to the Newson clinic, and they told me to rub it in. Now I'm not sure! If its fat that helps with absorption, I wonder whether it could be applied to buttock? hmmm
Thanks
Jeepers xx
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I'm same as you Jeepers, except I'm 5 pumps so I rub that one on my forearm!
When I was on patches they went on buttock...
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One site says you can use on your face!?
There are loads of false information on sites. Don't use it on your face! There's a huge amount of alcohol in the gel, you would end up shrinking your face. Absorption depends on the size of the area where you spread the gel, your face wouldn't make any difference. You could also get dark skin discolouration (chloasma) on your face.
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I was originally alternating between thighs and upper arm/shoulder as the packet says. The relief was erratic and I definitely got less relief when I rubbed it on the inner thighs. A couple of months ago I switched to the inside of my arms and the difference in symptoms relief is palpable- flushes pretty well gone whereas on the inner thighs I still got sweats at night..
I will also try on lower leg where the skin is thinner.
I have no idea whether to rub or not. There seem to be so many difference in opinion on that matter.
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I’m definitely going to give inner arms a try. It makes sense to use it in thinner skin but then again nothing to do with the menopause makes much sense 😄 will start today and give it a few weeks
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Interesting topic
I use 4 pumps, one each on inner thighs and outer arms. I go to the Newson clinic, and they told me to rub it in. Now I'm not sure! If its fat that helps with absorption, I wonder whether it could be applied to buttock? hmmm
Thanks
Jeepers xx
Hi Jeepers, that's a very interesting question! My sister had a total hysterectomy and unilateral oophorectomy (her other ovary has shrunken) and her Gynae has told her she could spread (not rub) the gel on her lower abdomen, inner thighs and outer arms, alternating sites. I'm sure she would like to add her buttocks to the list! She's on 6 pumps!
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I was originally alternating between thighs and upper arm/shoulder as the packet says. The relief was erratic and I definitely got less relief when I rubbed it on the inner thighs. A couple of months ago I switched to the inside of my arms and the difference in symptoms relief is palpable- flushes pretty well gone whereas on the inner thighs I still got sweats at night..
I will also try on lower leg where the skin is thinner.
I have no idea whether to rub or not. There seem to be so many difference in opinion on that matter.
Hi violetbat, the patient information leaflet says to 'spread the gel', not to rub. I've checked this with the manufacturer and some menopause docs, they agree that hydroalcoholic gels are not supposed to be rubbed, once you spread the gel the alcohol will evaporate and the estradiol molecules will permeate through your skin. Rubbing will only make you lose estradiol to your hands.
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I was originally alternating between thighs and upper arm/shoulder as the packet says. The relief was erratic and I definitely got less relief when I rubbed it on the inner thighs. A couple of months ago I switched to the inside of my arms and the difference in symptoms relief is palpable- flushes pretty well gone whereas on the inner thighs I still got sweats at night..
I will also try on lower leg where the skin is thinner.
I have no idea whether to rub or not. There seem to be so many difference in opinion on that matter.
Hi violetbat, the patient information leaflet says to 'spread the gel', not to rub. I've checked this with the manufacturer and some menopause docs, they agree that hydroalcoholic gels are not supposed to be rubbed, once you spread the gel the alcohol will evaporate and the estradiol molecules will permeate through your skin. Rubbing will only make you lose estradiol to your hands.
Sandrena is a gel that also contains alcohol and the instructions say to rub in the gel gently, so I guess the gels are a little different to each other :)
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Hi Brit66 and thanks for mentioning Sandrena. The difference is that Sandrena has propylene glycol which increases viscosity by absorbing water, amongst other functions. A more viscous gel can be rubbed in 'gently' to allow it to be spread more evenly. 🙂
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Hi Brit66 and thanks for mentioning Sandrena. The difference is that Sandrena has propylene glycol which increases viscosity by absorbing water, amongst other functions. A more viscous gel can be rubbed in 'gently' to allow it to be spread more evenly. 🙂
Oh I see, interesting! Thanks for the information ;)
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I was originally alternating between thighs and upper arm/shoulder as the packet says. The relief was erratic and I definitely got less relief when I rubbed it on the inner thighs. A couple of months ago I switched to the inside of my arms and the difference in symptoms relief is palpable- flushes pretty well gone whereas on the inner thighs I still got sweats at night..
I will also try on lower leg where the skin is thinner.
I have no idea whether to rub or not. There seem to be so many difference in opinion on that matter.
Hi violetbat, the patient information leaflet says to 'spread the gel', not to rub. I've checked this with the manufacturer and some menopause docs, they agree that hydroalcoholic gels are not supposed to be rubbed, once you spread the gel the alcohol will evaporate and the estradiol molecules will permeate through your skin. Rubbing will only make you lose estradiol to your hands.
Interesting- though would you not simply absorb what was on your hands?
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I get so confused about rubbing or spreading the gel and also where to put it! Currently using 4 sachets and I rub twice a day to inner thighs and still absorb poorly
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I get so confused about rubbing or spreading the gel and also where to put it! Currently using 4 sachets and I rub twice a day to inner thighs and still absorb poorly
inner thighs was rubbish for me- inside of arms much better.
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I was originally alternating between thighs and upper arm/shoulder as the packet says. The relief was erratic and I definitely got less relief when I rubbed it on the inner thighs. A couple of months ago I switched to the inside of my arms and the difference in symptoms relief is palpable- flushes pretty well gone whereas on the inner thighs I still got sweats at night..
I will also try on lower leg where the skin is thinner.
I have no idea whether to rub or not. There seem to be so many difference in opinion on that matter.
Hi violetbat, the patient information leaflet says to 'spread the gel', not to rub. I've checked this with the manufacturer and some menopause docs, they agree that hydroalcoholic gels are not supposed to be rubbed, once you spread the gel the alcohol will evaporate and the estradiol molecules will permeate through your skin. Rubbing will only make you lose estradiol to your hands.
Interesting- though would you not simply absorb what was on your hands?
First of all, you're supposed to wash your hands after spreading the gel to minimise contamination of other people, pets and surfaces. Hands have a very small area and the skin can have tiny cracks so it's not advisable to let the gel stay on them. Besides, we're frequently washing, applying alcohol gel and moisturising them, so it wouldn't be practical or advisable to mix these things with estradiol.
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I always wash my hands and sometimes worry I’ve lost a lot of the gel because of it if that makes sense!
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I used to spread it on with the back of a desert spoon.
JP x
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I always wash my hands and sometimes worry I’ve lost a lot of the gel because of it if that makes sense!
Don't worry, the amount of gel that goes to the palm of your hand is not going to make any difference in terms of waste, but it could affect others (mainly pets and small children) on a daily basis if you don't wash your hands.
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I have been using the gel the same way for over 14 yrs and its worked wonderfully well. I alternate legs and rub it in well until its dry. I do this at night in bed and if I use my one hand to rub the gel, I use my other to apply a night cream to my face. I never wash my hands, too lazy to get out of bed again. ;D
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I have been using the gel the same way for over 14 yrs and its worked wonderfully well. I alternate legs and rub it in well until its dry. I do this at night in bed and if I use my one hand to rub the gel, I use my other to apply a night cream to my face. I never wash my hands, too lazy to get out of bed again. ;D
Glad it's working for you, maybe you don't even need it after all this time. Have you had your estradiol blood levels tested recently? When you're asleep you can touch and scratch your eyes, nose, even breasts and nether regions, so I think washing your hand is a small price to pay. Get out of bed, lady ;D
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I havent recently, I go by symptoms, which I dont really have. I only use one pump and sometimes half a pump, dont want to stop though as I am sure I will get hot flushing again.
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I havent recently, I go by symptoms, which I dont really have. I only use one pump and sometimes half a pump, dont want to stop though as I am sure I will get hot flushing again.
Thanks, so you're not the typical HRT user, because 2 pumps is usually the average dose. You have to agree with me that for women using 2-4 pumps, washing their hands after applying the gel should be the norm.
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I have never washed my hands in the 15 yrs I have been using the gel, and I used to use 2 pumps, but not disagreeing with you, I never thought about it to be honest.
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I have never washed my hands in the 15 yrs I have been using the gel, and I used to use 2 pumps, but not disagreeing with you, I never thought about it to be honest.
Of course, sweetie. I just think generalisations could be dangerous and why not follow the instructions? Hand washing is the new sexy ::) Stay safe!
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I have never washed my hands in the 15 yrs I have been using the gel, and I used to use 2 pumps, but not disagreeing with you, I never thought about it to be honest.
I think If you've been doing the same thing for 15 years then you're going to be just fine! :)
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Hi Brit66, I think that's another potentially dangerous generalisation. Cassie is on a very low dose of the gel. If a woman reads she doesn't need to wash her hands after applying the gel and she's on 4 or more pumps, the amount of estradiol after doing this daily for many years would not be comparable to Cassie's personal experience.
Personal experience is invaluable but should never replace medical instructions based on studies, after all we're all different.
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Hi Brit66, I think that's another potentially dangerous generalisation. Cassie is on a very low dose of the gel. If a woman reads she doesn't need to wash her hands after applying the gel and she's on 4 or more pumps, the amount of estradiol after doing this daily for many years would not be comparable to Cassie's personal experience.
Personal experience is invaluable but should never replace medical instructions based on studies, after all we're all different.
Sage, I was addressing my comments to Cassie about her situation. As adults, we have autonomy to own things that work for us, without necessarily recommending them to others.
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Sorry Brit66, but I don't think you or anyone else can be absolutely sure Cassie will be okay in the long run. Doctors wouldn't say that. Better be safe than sorry. It's just a simple thing, to wash your hands!
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Sorry Brit66, but I don't think you or anyone else can be absolutely sure Cassie will be okay in the long run. Doctors wouldn't say that. Better be safe than sorry. It's just a simple thing, to wash your hands!
Sage im sorry you feel that way, but I feel the way I do too and I feel there's a good chance that you can't be absolutely sure of your belief that all doctors would feel alarmed about Cassie's practice. I do believe that this is for Cassie to discuss with her GP if she wishes to change anything.
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Sorry Brit66, but I don't think you or anyone else can be absolutely sure Cassie will be okay in the long run. Doctors wouldn't say that. Better be safe than sorry. It's just a simple thing, to wash your hands!
Sage im sorry you feel that way, but I feel the way I do too and I feel there's a good chance that you can't be absolutely sure of your belief that all doctors would feel alarmed about Cassie's practice. I do believe that this is for Cassie to discuss with her GP if she wishes to change anything.
Oh no Brit66, that's not what I meant! I was referring to following the patient leaflet instructions. All transdermal estradiol products have the same warning, some even say 'wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water'. I'm not trying to scare Cassie or anyone else, on the contrary, I'm trying to help her. Saying she'll be fine because she's been doing the wrong thing for 15 years and had no problems is not helpful, IMHO. Cancer takes decades to manifest. And no, I'm not saying she'll have cancer! I think she could spread her pump of estradiol gel before going to bed, so she can wash her hands whilst the gel is drying. Why this has suddenly become a controversial issue? :o Sorry for hijacking your thread, OP!
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I understand from googling that the reason they advise washing hands is so that one does not spread the residue to any bed partners or pets and since I have neither, I think I should be ok, hope so. :-\
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Sorry Brit66, but I don't think you or anyone else can be absolutely sure Cassie will be okay in the long run. Doctors wouldn't say that. Better be safe than sorry. It's just a simple thing, to wash your hands!
Sage im sorry you feel that way, but I feel the way I do too and I feel there's a good chance that you can't be absolutely sure of your belief that all doctors would feel alarmed about Cassie's practice. I do believe that this is for Cassie to discuss with her GP if she wishes to change anything.
Oh no Brit66, that's not what I meant! I was referring to following the patient leaflet instructions. All transdermal estradiol products have the same warning, some even say 'wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water'. I'm not trying to scare Cassie or anyone else, on the contrary, I'm trying to help her. Saying she'll be fine because she's been doing the wrong thing for 15 years and had no problems is not helpful, IMHO. Cancer takes decades to manifest. And no, I'm not saying she'll have cancer! I think she could spread her pump of estradiol gel before going to bed, so she can wash her hands whilst the gel is drying. Why this has suddenly become a controversial issue? :o Sorry for hijacking your thread, OP!
I don't know that it's been controversial, and, for the record, I do follow directions myself, but tbh, I just find it patronizing the way you've delivered your advice, honestly. I wanted Cassie not to feel that she was in any way not fully capable of making choices that are working for her.
We've both expressed our views, we can leave it now, yes?
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I understand from googling that the reason they advise washing hands is so that one does not spread the residue to any bed partners or pets and since I have neither, I think I should be ok, hope so. :-\
Yes, they do-sounds reasonable. But don't hope for the best, speak to your dr if you are worried or concerned.
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I understand from googling that the reason they advise washing hands is so that one does not spread the residue to any bed partners or pets and since I have neither, I think I should be ok, hope so. :-\
Yes, I thought this was your case (no partner and pets), but they also say not to let it near eyes, and you can rub them while you're sleeping. Anyway, as Brit66 says, you're an adult and perfectly able to make your own choices. I just think washing hands is so easy, I couldn't possibly have foreseen such strong resistance!
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Sorry Brit66, but I don't think you or anyone else can be absolutely sure Cassie will be okay in the long run. Doctors wouldn't say that. Better be safe than sorry. It's just a simple thing, to wash your hands!
Sage im sorry you feel that way, but I feel the way I do too and I feel there's a good chance that you can't be absolutely sure of your belief that all doctors would feel alarmed about Cassie's practice. I do believe that this is for Cassie to discuss with her GP if she wishes to change anything.
Oh no Brit66, that's not what I meant! I was referring to following the patient leaflet instructions. All transdermal estradiol products have the same warning, some even say 'wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water'. I'm not trying to scare Cassie or anyone else, on the contrary, I'm trying to help her. Saying she'll be fine because she's been doing the wrong thing for 15 years and had no problems is not helpful, IMHO. Cancer takes decades to manifest. And no, I'm not saying she'll have cancer! I think she could spread her pump of estradiol gel before going to bed, so she can wash her hands whilst the gel is drying. Why this has suddenly become a controversial issue? :o Sorry for hijacking your thread, OP!
I don't know that it's been controversial, and, for the record, I do follow directions myself, but tbh, I just find it patronizing the way you've delivered your advice, honestly. I wanted Cassie not to feel that she was in any way not fully capable of making choices that are working for her.
We've both expressed our views, we can leave it now, yes?
Yes. I don't think it's patronising, though. Lots of women out there don't read leaflets. It's a genuine concern.
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Sorry Brit66, but I don't think you or anyone else can be absolutely sure Cassie will be okay in the long run. Doctors wouldn't say that. Better be safe than sorry. It's just a simple thing, to wash your hands!
Sage im sorry you feel that way, but I feel the way I do too and I feel there's a good chance that you can't be absolutely sure of your belief that all doctors would feel alarmed about Cassie's practice. I do believe that this is for Cassie to discuss with her GP if she wishes to change anything.
Oh no Brit66, that's not what I meant! I was referring to following the patient leaflet instructions. All transdermal estradiol products have the same warning, some even say 'wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water'. I'm not trying to scare Cassie or anyone else, on the contrary, I'm trying to help her. Saying she'll be fine because she's been doing the wrong thing for 15 years and had no problems is not helpful, IMHO. Cancer takes decades to manifest. And no, I'm not saying she'll have cancer! I think she could spread her pump of estradiol gel before going to bed, so she can wash her hands whilst the gel is drying. Why this has suddenly become a controversial issue? :o Sorry for hijacking your thread, OP!
I don't know that it's been controversial, and, for the record, I do follow directions myself, but tbh, I just find it patronizing the way you've delivered your advice, honestly. I wanted Cassie not to feel that she was in any way not fully capable of making choices that are working for her.
We've both expressed our views, we can leave it now, yes?
Yes. I don't think it's patronising, though. Lots of women out there don't read leaflets. It's a genuine concern.
I understand the concern, my point is simply that the delivery of concern is important.
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Okay, Cassie I'm sorry if my 'delivery' was inappropriate.
Brit66, that doesn't change the facts though, but thank you for explaining your concern with my 'delivery' methods. I'll have that in mind when I reply to anyone else in the future.
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No problem Sage, I am not really sure what that means ;D
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No problem Sage, I am not really sure what that means ;D
Thank you, Cassie! ;D
'Wash, wash, wash your hands, wash them nice and clean. Bubbly, scrubbly, scrubbly, bubbly, wash them nice and clean!'
Better? :party:
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As I have listed before I am a poor absorber and was on 4mg Sandrena applying to inner thighs! Levels only reached 356 and symptoms remained ! I have recently added another 1mg and apply to inner arm and it maybe i am speaking too soon but do feel different in a good way although have felt a little nauseous! Could it be that I am absorbing better on the inner arm of so would anyone recommend how I switch to applying all to the inner arms! I am unsure of how much I would need if absorbing better! I.e wouldn’t think I needed 5mg if absorbing better! Any suggestions welcomed
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I have been advised to absolutely not use 5mg Sandrena! Has anyone had success using the inner lower arm? Not having much luck with inner thigh!
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Good advice. I have already told you my opinion, patch. Inner or lower arm won't make a huge difference and it's dangerous for breasts. I know you will be careful, but when you do the same thing every day it can get boring and you might get careless. Stick a patch on your bum and get over it. 😉
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I wish I had your attitude Uptick :) but when things are bad I never know what to do! Thanks for the advice may have to go back done that road again with the patch ???
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I have been advised to absolutely not use 5mg Sandrena! Has anyone had success using the inner lower arm? Not having much luck with inner thigh!
There's information from a dr in Oz who recommends putting it in the inner arm, so some women definitely do it and might be worth a try. I found the info by just googling Sandrena gel.