Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => Personal Experiences => Topic started by: toffeecushion on September 04, 2015, 04:43:52 PM
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Does anyone else have to keep getting up in the night for a pee? 4 times I was up last night, and desperate each time. Is it a peri symptom?
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The body is supposed to make less urine over night - I think there's a hormone or something which can control the effect. However; last night I was up twice. One night last week 5 times! and each was a long wee. I find that the more I drink in the day the less I need to be up.
Usually I manage to go back to sleep ;)
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Had this for years. Most nights it's just twice but if I drink anything after 7pm I get up more often. Being back on HRT has helped a bit as I don't wake so often because of night sweats but my body still seems to want to offload all the fluids at night. I think it is to do with certain hormones - apparently the hormones that stop the kidneys working when you sleep are not produced so well as you get older. The decline of these hormones often coincides with the meno. DG x
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I can vary from night to night. Often if something wakens me, I go to loo anyway so as not to get wakened again.
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Nocturia is one of my specialities - lucky me ::)
During my vast research with Dr Google on the subject there are pills for it - and also can improve with the right hrt balance.
Makes no difference at all what I drink or dont drink - I have so far had I think two or three weeks off caffine and no joy so far.
The only thing my 'rather unefficient' now EX GP did for me was put me in for a bladder scan - two weeks later the paperwork is done and I have my scan in a couple of weeks. Also due to Stress/Urge incontinance.
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My mum takes pills called Vasicare that stops her weeing in the night. I think the idea is that they relax the bladder and enable it to hold more, therefore the urge to go as often is bypassed . They work well for her, so there is help if you need it.
My problem is situational urgency. When I get to the loo I find it hard to hold on until I get things unbuttoned and pulled down and have had a few incidents. I think I wait too long but when I get there I am sometimes in trouble.
I do drink a lot but no caffeine after lunch. Herbal teas or Red Bush is what I have to drink. I do drink a lot of water though. I keep a glass at the sink and regularly have a glass and that goes on up until bed time. The last thing I do is have a big glass of water before I go to bed.
I think perversely drinking less causes more problems although I'm not sure I understand why.
Honeybun
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That's why my mum has them. Getting up in the night at 93 is not a great idea.
When I do I have to sit for a minute to make sure I'm not going to fall over. Of course unlike men we try and do things quietly. I do wish my hubby would leave the lid up though :o
Honeybun
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I very rarely get up during the night, like twice a year! Have a glass of water with my tea then normally a mug of coffee before/in bed. .
Bramble
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Even more disconcerting when you wee on the closed lid though ;D
Oh coffee at night bramble.....I would be awake all night.
Honeybun
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Unfortunately I'm not kidding either......well I was half asleep.. :o
Totally blamed hubby and as I wakened him up to complain bitterly as I cleaned up....he hasn't done it again.
Now he leaves the seat up and I end up with my bum two inches above the water.
I'm sure he does it deliberately ....although he would deny it ;D
Honeybun
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During the day my bladder is amazingly strong, which is why a recent bout of anxiety driven bladder issues bothered me so much. But I can't remember when I last slept through the night, probably pre first pregnancy. I must admit I thought most women 'of a certain age' had the same problem!
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Does anyone else have to keep getting up in the night for a pee? 4 times I was up last night, and desperate each time. Is it a peri symptom?
Oh yeah, I definitely have this. It was worse during peri, when I wasn't on HRT. I would wake up needing to urgently pee every 2 hours on the dot. Now I usually need to go maybe twice through the night, no matter if I've had something to drink after 7pm or not. I don't mind too much as long as I can go straight back to sleep, but sometimes once I'm awake like that I won't be able to go back to sleep unless I watch TV for an hour or so.
The only time this doesn't happen is if I'm having trouble sleeping and I've taken a small dose of Endep or doxylamine. Then it tends to knock me out and I don't wake at all. Also, if I'm having trouble sleeping, and I haven't taken a dose of Endep or doxy, I will be going to the loo just about every 20 minutes, but probably this is brought on by the stress of not being able to sleep.
I think perversely drinking less causes more problems although I'm not sure I understand why.
I read an explanation for it once, and I'll see if I can explain it because what I read made perfect sense. The example this article gave is….. imagine really dry patched ground. If you pour water on to it the water tends to run off and not soak in. However, if the ground is already moist the water penetrates straight away. So it appears to have something to do with our bodies becoming dehydrated and then not being able to absorb the water as well, so it runs off directly into our bladder and we need to pee in the middle of the night more.
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Same here, I have heard if you get a pint of water and sip it throughout the day it will keep the bladder moist. Small sips, just a mouth full, not huge gulps.
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Ditto with me sparkle - I hardly seem to need to get up any more. I think I am sleeping more deeply so bladder is not waking me. Also I have stopped having post-evening meal cup of decaff - and swapped to (wine!) and water - well only wine sometimes - but I make sure I drink two glasses of water in the evening. I didn't used to drink much water except in tea and it has really made a difference.
I do need to get up though when on the utrogestan phase of my cycle - as I use it vaginally so there must be some slight irritiation there - or the effect of the prog on the bladder/urethra?
Coffee in bed bramble :o Please say it's decaff at least?
Dana I have read that too - will try to find a link
http://askdrgottmd.com/more-water-lessens-frequent-urination/
Here's one on the effects of alcohol (vaguely related):
http://www.medicaldaily.com/science-breaking-seal-urge-urinate-comes-more-often-inhibition-anti-diuretic-hormone-316382
I am sure you can google others - this was just a hasty scan!
Hurdity x
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Isn't it weird - I slept through the the night having posted that I never do!!
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Isn't it weird - I slept through the the night having posted that I never do!!
lol, I will try that one - I never sleep through the night :)
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Sparkle - the milky drink did nothing for me either, but make things worse maybe.
Bramble, coffee in bed? wow, lucky you. Only been a few weeks but I am missing my daily coffee almost as much as I missed my ciggies 3.5 years back.
I had a yogi bedtime tea last night - very nice, and only got up twice:)
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DH's visits to the loo are more of a problem to me than my own need to go. Last night I counted 5 visits. He gets back to bed shuffles around, falls asleep, snores and I'm left wide awake. Just as well I love him as I would smother him with a pillow! ;D
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not the liquid sparkle, as I now have the yogi tea, and before that I had honey and lemon - but if I tried milk things got worse, and the time I tried 'horlicks' omg, never again.
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I find warm milk helps me sleep and is soothing, but I still wake up to go to the toilet.
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Please don't drink tea, even decaf. Tea, (including decaf) contains Tannin. Tannin, is used to soften leather so imagine what it does to the bladder ! Also do not drink cranberry, cranberry irritates the bladder which is why people drink it just when they have an infection as it irritates the bladder wall to get rid of stuff. I found all this out on www.cobfoundation.org/ this is the cystitis and over active bladder foundation, neither drink orange juice - citrus is an acid.
Also look at your diet, are you acidic? Get some ph strips from the internet, if you are acid in your urine then you probably are in your blood too, leave off acid foods/look up acid & alkaline foods on the internet. For example, meat is acid, vegetables are not. From yesterday I cut out red meat which is hugely acidic. I don't think I can cut out meat completely so I shall eat chicken and fish and see how I get on. You can get ph drops to put into your drinks to make them more alkaline.
Oh and sugar, bacteria sticks to it and breeds.
I now drink just herbal tea, camomile, peppermint and Red bush tea and I sip water and I don't drink after 8pm.
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I'm superweird, I think, because this is probably the ONLY thing that has DECREASED for me... I used to wake up EVERY single night for years to go pee. Not anymore. And now, as far as I can tell, I'm in perimenopause. Isn't that odd?? I have my digestive problems, my hot face, my large itchy boobs, my depression/anxiety, and so on. But my needing to go pee in the night is almost gone, as are my headaches. Am I the only one????
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No, my periods are not further apart, but lots lighter. This time it was 27 days between, which is actually on the "close side" for me. I started my period Thursday and it's already very light today. It never seems to get superheavy anymore. But maybe that's something that is coming...?
On-and-off poor sleep for me and quite a lot of anxiety too. The "why" about my digestive problems is always at the back of my mind, even though it feels like hormones is a very likely culprit in conjunction with all other symptoms... Oh, yeah, my on-and-off itchy boobs keep me anxious too...
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Thank you Bluebell59, I did not know that. I had two cups of 'caffine free' tea today and not been off the loo, I was starting to think they lied about the caffine. Never liked orange juice or any fruit juices really unless Imake my own with melon and fresh fruit.
must take a look at that link thank you.
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Isn't it weird - I slept through the the night having posted that I never do!!
lol, I will try that one - I never sleep through the night :)
It didn't work :(
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Shame TC, it worked again for me!!
Don't worry, I'm not intending to post on here every day!
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Shame TC, it worked again for me!!
You can go off someone you know lol ;)
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Please don't, I promise normal service will resume tonight!!