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General Discussion => New Members => Topic started by: Peterspots on July 15, 2015, 09:23:53 AM
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Hello. I've had a rough 5 months and the last 6 weeks I have an ache behind my pubic bone. Been on hrt for 3 weeks. Had cysoscopy a week ago and still feeling tender which is freakinf me out. Anyone used cream for this sort of problem. Doesn't hurt to wee but hurts afterwards.
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Poor you! Can you give us a bit more info- what sort of HRT are you on? If it's a systemic one you might need a local one too for your vagina/bladder.
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It does sound a bit like VA, are you generally dry down there?
Local oestrogen would probably help.
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Hello thank you for replying. I am on hrt patches femseven? I am on my fourth week tomorrow.
I think I'm still pink. I bave always used lubricant so don't know if I'm dry when ......though since this pain has happened we are not intimate. I'm still getting bladder spasm that I didn't have before. The pain is in the left behind my public bine. Uro man said bladder fine urethra sore but I am so sore now. Wish I never had it done. Went to a&e last night cos pain. Just gave more pain killers. I am so depressed.....there I've said it.
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So sorry to hear this. Why did you have to have the cystoscopy - just trying to see what might help. When it hurts after weeing, does it sting for a few minutes and then stop? Are you generally sore underneath around your urethra?
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Hi and welcome to MM Peterspots
Bladder problems are actually more common than is thought - particuarly when we hit the menopause.
Do look at the thread I started some 18 months ago - 'The Burning Club'.
I have burning urethra on and off and have done for the last 15 years or so.
Local oestrogen treatment like Vagifem, Gynest or Ovestin may well help but I am using both full systemic HRT and Vagifem to keep things comfortable. Vaginal moisturisers can also be helpful.
Keep posting. DG x
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I doesn't hurt to wee. Just sore after. I'm really worried the cysoscopy has damaged me. I have a continuous ache on my left side low by pibic Bone & urethral sl
Sometimes feels sore after. It doesn't make sense. They did the cysoscopy to see if I had IC
I wonder if it could be a nerve. Or it is the bladder because it feels worse after cysoscopy. But it all feels worse. I'm not coping
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You are probably quite bruised. Make sure you use the oestrogen cream every night for the first 2 weeks at least and continue to use regularly after that as this may help. Drink plenty of water. DG x
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I haven't been given any cream yet. I asked my GP &
He'd not heard of it being used for that. I am seeing gynae next Wednesday.
Don't know if you can still be bruised a week after but it was horrible. How does bruising heal? Upset they haven't called me back
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I did have a lot of pain for several days after my cystoscopy (many years ago now), so it could be related to that - horrible procedure for me. Hopefully they will ring you soon to advise you.
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The area can be very sensitive as the skin is delicate down there. Make sure you keep hydrated and don't hold back passing urine ……. the less pressure there the better. Does the pain relief ease symptoms?
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Peterspot - I would definitely ask for some Vagifem to help with problem. Some women prefer the creams but Vagifem is a small pessary which doesn't cause any mess so I find it easier to use. The local oestrogen can often help with these issues and hopefully the gynae will suggest it. The Urologist I saw when I had the cystoscopy thought local oestrogen was the best option at the time. I'm afraid urinary problems can be an ongoing problem in menopause - we have to learn to manage things but it can be very distressing. DG x
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The pain relief has helped. Can the cream help the bladder too? I'm not sure if the ache is referred from the urethra, bladder or maybe a muscle. Fed up hospital hasn't called me back.
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It probably can help because it will be easing symptoms down there in general. Won't do any harm to have a chat with a Pharmacist for advice and then go to your GP Surgery and speak with the Practice Nurse or ask for the GP to ring you.
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Drinking lots of water. If it is bruising it should settle. I can feel the urethra spasming. It didn't do this before cysoscopy. It will be a week tomorrow. Worried I'm going to be left with more problems.
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I hate this. It should have settled by now
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Hi Peterspots. I'm so sorry to hear that you are going through this. I have had similar problems which have sadly got worse in this peri nightmare. I can tell you what helped me; for the urethral pain, drink a glass of water (or squash if you prefer) with a teaspoon of bicarbonate of soda. This neutralises the urine and stops it from stinging the irritated urethra. For the bladder spasms, get some Buscopan tablets, which are for IBS but basically relieve muscle spasms. Take two tablets three times a day for one day only. This is what my GP advised me to do and it works. If you've had the cystoscopy and your bladder/urethra are fine, it is just all irritated probably and you need to allow it to calm down.
Please let us know how you get on.
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Hi Peterspots
Sorry to hear about your problems.
I haven't really had issues down there except the usual dryness for which I like others use systemic HRT as well as local oestrogen - I use Gynest pessaries but they've been discontinued. You asked "can the cream help the bladder too". There are oestrogen receptors in the urethral area as well as near and maybe in the bladder so this is why women get problems when oestrogen declines and local oestrogen helps.
Whatever your specialists or doc says, most definitely ask (your GP) for either Vagifem or one of the estriol creams as others have mentioned, and don't be fobbed off if they say you don't need it or you can't have it as well as HRT. This is what Dr Currie says on this site:
VAGINAL TREATMENTS
Local estrogen can be used for vaginal and bladder symptoms, when systemic treatment is not desired or appropriate. For some women, vaginal estrogen may be required along with systemic HRT.
http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/local.php
I hope the pain and discomfort eases soon.
Hurdity x :welcomemm:
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:welcomemm: Miss Lemon and :thankyou: - my paternal grandma swore by bicarb for many things - because she didn't have access to modern preparations
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Thank you CLKD. It's wonderful stuff! It works a treat for clearing up acne spots too. They're gone almost immediately. Love it!
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It was put into our baths if we were sore due to fine sand in our cossies ::)
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Thank you. I will get some tomorrow. Doesn't hurt to wee but it pressure low down. Could that be the urethra? I don't no when I'm full. It's just if the pain gets more intense. Just don't know what's going on down there
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Do you pass a good quantity each time or a dribble? Are you hydrated? Drink more than you think you ought to for a few days to keep kidneys working and bladder emptying.
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Normal amounts but its the pain in between. I don't know what happened with the cysosocpy but km housebound now. The pain is searing. He said I didn't have interstitial cystitis but I feel awful. I wasn't great when I went in but this is on a new level
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The soreness makes me feel like my urethral broken or there's raw stuff in my bladder. My family life is imposing. This is a complete nightmare. The cysosocpy has done something.
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Off to the GP in the morning then? or give the Dept a ring, speak to the Secretary and ask advice? Take the pain relief as advised too.
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I've taken neurofen & will have the cocodomal when I go to bed as it knocked me out. I'm scared at the moment. Hoping the Urologisr will call me tomorrow. It get so much worse as the day goes on. I was hoping my problem was the menopause & the cream will help but the cysoscopy has sent the pain so high
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Let us know how you get on. If the body is tense it can aggravate underlying conditions ::)
Did you have a bicarb bath this evening?
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Hi - were you given a course of antibiotics after your cystoscopy? I was when I had mine done and was told that it's common practice in our hospital due to the high risk of bladder/urine infection following the procedure. If you weren't then I would suggest seeing your GP to have your urine tested. It is possible to have an infection which can cause this sort of bladder ache but not the usual type of cystitis symptoms.
Taz x :hug:
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Hello. Yes I have had an antibiotic for a week. I've had the dip test & it was negative. I am tense. I am trying to be more relaxed over it but I have not experienced pain like this. I am worried about how this has effected me & worrying about what has happened or why it isn't feeling better yet? It's a week today. I thought when I had it it was very very sore but as the bladder was ok I could start on the estrogen cream when I saw the gynae. Now I just don't know.
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Hi Peterspots - I'm afraid I've experienced this really unpleasant soreness in the urethra on and off for many years. I doubt the cystoscopy would have made it much worse but this soreness is often related to vaginal atrophy. As Hurdity explained, there are oestrogen receptors in the bladder and urethra and as oestrogen declines the whole area becomes more delicate. Regular UTI type symptoms (often with no actual infection detected) are one of the many things we meno ladies experience and local oestrogen is often the best treatment to reduce the discomfort. Local oestrogen helps to keep the whole area more healthy and resilient. I would try Vagifem first as the creams can be a bit messy and when my urethra is sore I find the fillers in the cream can irritate things a bit.
I also find that when I am sore (I feel as though my urethra is actually swollen!!) I tense in my pelvic floor and, whilst they tell us to do pelvic floor exercises, I do find that if I actively relax my pelvic muscles, particularly if I have my feet up, this will relieve the soreness. The other thing to watch out for is making sure you really empty your bladder properly every time - so really relax and sit there until everything has trickled out - again, it's easy to retain urine which can become more acidic and irritate.
The advice about using bicarb in a drink a couple of times a day for a few days is really good. Also make usreyou aren't using anything perfumed on your intimate area - shower, don't bath and perhaps get some vaginal moisturiser (online or at the chemist) that will keep the vaginal area lubricate and healthy. I use a little Multi Gyn Actigel everyday which seems to help.
There is a lady visits MM who has posted about this issue - she has seen a specialist who believes there can be infection embedded in the bladder wall that can only be treated with long term powerful ABs. This specialist believes the overuse of short term ABs for UTIs has probably created bacteria resistance (which is now prevalent for many things). However, many of us do find that he local oestrogen is the key to preventing infection taking hold in the first place. DG x
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The urologist secretary called me & said bladders fine & see gynae but I tried to explain the feeling Im getting now is new. I think it's the cysoscopy. Just going to brush me off while I have some horrible thing.
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Peterspots - It's horrible having pain in that area.
However, I really don't think the urologist is trying to fob you off, they do like to cure us!
Local oestrogen can help massively in situations like this (well it did for me).
In the short term, see your GP again, having printed off the response that Hurdity made, where it states that local oestrogen can be used alongside full HRT.
Hope you feel more comfortable soon.
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Thank you. I know but I didn't have these other symptoms before the cysoscopy.
That's what I'm worried about. It's smarting all the time & I still have the continuos ache I had before. How am I supposed to do normal things feeling like this.
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Hello Peterspots
Here's a thought: your urethra wasn't in a great state anyway because of repeated cystitis perhaps over the years? And it's perhaps a little more fragile because of the lack of oestrogen around there. So up goes the cystoscopy tool (I've had one as a young woman - was sore for a fair few days after, did drink bicarb, etc) and it causes a little surface damage along the way, as it would. But here's the thing - lack of oestrogen means that it's just taking longer to heal up and it feels horrid. Honestly, I would definitely suggest getting hold of some local oestrogen to use - vagifem or a cream perhaps - and then see what happens. I think you're right that the cystoscopy may have sparked something off but think it may do in most women - the difference is that hormonal changes mean you're not going to recover so fast/that it adds to existing problems. Please do consider asking the GP for vagifem or whatever, and just give it a go? It'll help you work out what is and isn't going on, and maybe make you feel lots better.
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Off to your Practice Nurse/GP? If you don't ask you don't get ;)
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Thank you though I haven't had cystitis but I did have a problem like this for a long time job my 20s. I was told at the time it was pelvic congestion (veins in the pelvis) because its in the same area. The bit that hurt when he went in was my urethra so it does make sense. I'm just finding it hard to feel when worse than I did when I went in. Anyone had an ache behind pubic bone with low esteogen. Menopause
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Like AR and the others have said, it's not a surprise that the insult caused by the cystoscopy takes longer to recover when oestrogen is low.
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yes it does make sense..........http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/Smileys/extended/rolleyes.gif just a worry after the crap time I've had
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Hello. Yes I have had an antibiotic for a week. I've had the dip test & it was negative. I am tense. I am trying to be more relaxed over it but I have not experienced pain like this. I am worried about how this has effected me & worrying about what has happened or why it isn't feeling better yet? It's a week today. I thought when I had it it was very very sore but as the bladder was ok I could start on the estrogen cream when I saw the gynae. Now I just don't know.
When did you have the dip test done as the result can be affected if you have been on antibiotics. Had you had a clear forty eight hours without them?
Taz x
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I finished the last one this morning. I just feel like the bladder/urethra is getting worse. It looks like my period is coming and I was on a week ago when I had it done. I havent been to work and I am just stuck at home because it hurts so much. I am sure this isnt normal.
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sorry I had two dip tests done prior to cystoscopy and they showed lucosites (?) the one I had done on Sunday after Ihad been on the antibiotics was clear.
I know I've got to dig deep but the spasms are horrible.
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I would consult your GP if you are still in pain this long after the procedure and can't go to work. I went back to work after mine - although I didn't have any anesthesia. Don't suffer any longer than you have to. NHS recovery guidelines here http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Cystoscopy/Pages/Recovery.aspx
Taz x
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Just spoke to the consultant. He said its unusual but it can happen. He wants to prescribe anti spasmodic tablets & anti biopics. So fed up. I didn't feel like this before. So upset.
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Continual pain is tiring. Is your Consultant sending the script to your GP ? Are you taking the pain relief? It's OK to have time off work following surgical intervention.
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I've got to pick it up. He called me but it was so rushed I didn't ask all the questions I wanted. Why did it happen? Could I be damaged? Are the tablets to cure the problem or just mask it. So frustrated I'm in this situation. He just said he did 100 last week & in the only one who has reacted in this way :(
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that kind of comment don't help much though ::) - this is about *you*!
Are you taking the pain relief?
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He also told me that least I didn't have bladder cancer which was what he was looking for. Going to treat myself with a cocodamal tonight! I will pick up tomorrow but after reading things on here I don't know whether to request the cream from Gynaecologist to see if that would have the same effect of calming it all done. It did make sense that it could be irritation that is taking longer to heal/recover. Feel I rushed into cysoscopy. Regret it so much. Feel like I'm slipping into feeling so low. It's wearing me out
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Your GP can prescribe local oestrogen if he/she isn't clued up then ask the Practice Nurse.
Sleep tight!
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Can't get in to see doctor or nurse. See gynaecologist on Wednesday & taking a friend. Will ask about the cream/tablet. I'm not keen about taking the antispasmodic drug or the long term antibiotics when he didn't explain what happened.
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Peterspots, if you're in pain and the expert has prescribed these two things, why on earth not take them? if they help you will be more comfortable and able to have a more focused conversation with the gynae next week.
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I understand. I'm just so angry to be in this situation but yes they could make a difference. I'm worried that they may mask something. He didn't really have any answers for me about what had happened. I am levothyroxine, hrt & painkillers but at the moment these symptoms that I didn't have before have made me housebound. I want to know what's wrong
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I'm desperate for it to be something to do with the menopause or low oestrogen but I just don't know. I'm clutching at straws for an answer. I am so sad that my life has suddenly become so small & painful b
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Why won't you take the medications as prescribed until you see the Gynae.? The pain is there now, regardless of what caused it. You have answered your query, 'clutching at straws' but what ever the cause, the medication should help. You sound depressed and angry ……… which won't help the symptoms.
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I am depressed & I am angry.
This whole situation is horrible & with all good faith I have the cystoscopy &
Things get so Much worse. My trust is gone. I feel like he just wrote the prescription (over the phone) to shut me up. If that isn't the problem the antispasmodic tablets could mess my bladder up even more or leave me with more problems.
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Could they? :-\ ……….. I didn't want to take anti-depressant meds until I found that a low maintenance dose gave me and DH a Life again. I wanted to know what was causing my depression but professionals didn't or couldn't do any testing to find out. Acceptance was the important thing for me.
What do you plan now?
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I am depressed in the sense of hating what's happening to me. I don't know. Angry because I put myself in the situation of having the cystoscopy. Angry because of the debilitating symptoms I have because of.
1. Dose myself up on all they've given me.
2. Wait for a ct scan to see if there is any damage
3. I have no idea.
I have friends who have had their lives transformed with ADs
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It sounds like the lack of control has made you angry? By taking the medication as prescribed you may well find a relief to symptoms. As an Orthopaedic Secretary I don't think many Medical Professionals will 'fob' people off with prescriptions to get rid of them ;) …… if a patient explains their symptoms clearly, the Dr/Vet can make the appropriate decision either at the bed side or over the 'phone ……… appropriate for the condition which is causing problems.
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Yes my anger comes from having a procedure that has made me so much worse.
It has had such an effect on me &'my family
He basically said tough. It happens. Where does that leave me. I will take the medicine but I don't think he listened to me as my problem is pain not frequency. The medicine is for overactive bladder which I don't have
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However, some medications can work for several symptoms so what have you to lose? You signed the Consent Form presumably prior to the procedure?
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Yes, but it was that the worse that could happen was some bleeding, uti not the pain I'm in. this is the first time I've been unable to work, drive, go out etc. it's awful.
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That kind of pain is tiring too. Have you taken any pain relieve after your lunch?
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Nurofen. I have the cocdamal at night.
This isn't a normal reaction. The consent form only had minor problems. This isn't minor. At the moment it has stopped my life. I came on here to see if there was any possibility the cream would help but this has caused complications.
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Maybe let the oral medication do it's job first. Settle symptoms then when you've spoken to the Gynae on Wed. ask the question - by then symptoms should be easing. Feet up to ease any stabbing whilst sitting? Bicarb bath? There's a lot of nerves there as you are finding :o and add to that the danger of sneezing, coughing ………
Did you sleep?
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Yes thank you & I have to get the bicarbonate. Been using sachets. How often do you have and how much in glass.
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Peterspots - I'me sorry you're having such a horrible time.
It's difficult to know what to suggest.
You appear to discount things that are suggested either by people here (local oestrogen).
Or indeed by others (your consultant). "I don't think he listened to me as my problem is pain not frequency. The medicine is for overactive bladder which I don't have" :-\.....
You say you "have friends who have had their lives transformed with ADs"
Fair enough, request some ADs then, though I believe they are not without their own problems.
Do you have any particular ADs in mind?
BTW - I've just seen your comment re taking co-codamol at night. Personally I find co-codamol very drying and wouldn't be surprised if that aggravated any existing bladder pain or discomfort.
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Oh gosh it's so long since I used bicarb, that was Grandma's 'trick' for many complaints ::)
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Hello. Thank you. The AD comment was because CLKD said she had been on them & I was saying that they are positive for some people like my friend. I do want to try the oestrogen cream desperately. I am hoping it's going to be my saviour. The only tab I was unsure of was the anti spasmodic the uro prescribed over the phone because of the pain I have since cysoscopy.
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It used to scare the pants off me if the GP suggested some new medication ………. but it's probably wise to give it a try because so many help conditions not originally developed for ;)
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Will miss out the cocodamal. I thought the comments re inflamed are re oestrogen & camera made sense & the urologist said it was more gynae. It's the problem I've been left with after camera that is difficult at mo but maybe it will take me longer. My urethra hurt so much when he went in
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Yes my pants are well & truly scared!
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Makes me wince to think about such a procedure! Difficult for the Surgeon though and when it's done to a bloke :o oh I could tell some tales ………. ;) ……. OUCH springs to mind.
Rest up! Spoil yourself, it is allowed …….
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Thank you. can I ask you a question?
When I want to wee I don't feel it in my tummy (usual place before this) but I feel it low down by the bit that hurts .......maybe urethra/bladder.
Is that an experience with VA or oestrogen probs with bits.
I haven't gone to the toilet for about 4 hours but the only sensation I have is very low down
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You probably aren't passing enough urine anyway. I feel my bladder 'full' between my belly button and bikini area. Then when the urine flows any pain was through the tube, followed by a short, sharp reflex nip underneath at the end of the pee - I could point to it but can't describe the exact area. That was the start of vaginal atrophy for me ……. the only relief I could get was to sit on the loo so that all muscles were relaxed which allowed urine to flow; with a cuppa in one hand and diluted barley water in the other ::). Add to that the feeling of needing to wee all the while but being too sore to do so!
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Thank you. I didn't feel the urge to go except the sore area lo down. There was a lot of wee. I counted 30 as in 1,2,3
That's quite a lot but I didn't feel the urge at all. It doesn't hurt to wee. It afterwards I get a kick. In the sore & after the cysoscopy my urethra.
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I'm drinking pints of water
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What colour is your urine? Any lighter than straw coloured and you are drinking too much. You also aren't going often enough so how about setting an alarm for every 60/70 minutes? Annoying though if you are dropping off for a doze ::).
I'm off to take a cuppa into the shade to watch the gold fish …… so don't think I'm ignoring you!
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Have a nice cuppa. It's light. I think it's too long but because I hurt afterwards I leave it. It just strange I don't get the normal signal. Only the pain low down gets more pressure
Anyone else with VA or irritated bladder/urethra
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Posted too early. Get that symptom.
Very sore after I go but it's worse now urethra has joined in after camera.
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Think I've got mechanical urethritis from the cystoscopy. Don't know exactly what that means just saw it as a problem with custoscopies. So next step......anti biotics, steroid cream, oestrogen to give it a chance to heal? Very sore tonight. Did a little bit of yoga......not a good idea. Good for relaxation but not good for urethra.....
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STOP GOOGLING ………..
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Never a good idea :O
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Hello I have had blood in my wee the last two times. I will see if there's some in the morning. It has only happened that I know of today & the cysoscopy was 9 days ago
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It's 2.30 am this pain isn't right. I've taken pain killers but there not knocking it. It doesn't make me want to go to the toilet. It's a sharp, raw feeling. Whatever the consultant says I have not experienced these symptoms prior to the camera. Something has happened. I want to go to a&he again but they'll just send me away.
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Hi Peterspot - does it feels though someone has put in a catheter that is made of sand paper? My theory is the urethra becomes swollen and sore having reacted to being really hot or bacteria from our vagina or back passage getting in there. If that is the feeling then I've had this on a number of occasions and this was prior to having a cystoscopy. There was one night when I was in terrible pain and was peeing blood - I had stupidly washed my hair in the shower before bed and shampoo had passed over my intimate area as I washed it out - this always aggravates my urethra because of the perfume. I went straight to my GP the next morning after this terrible episode and my urine was tested and a sample sent off to the lab for testing but there was no infection detected. My urine was tested a few times after that and evidence of blood was still present so this is why they sent my for the cystoscopy. Like you, they reassured me my bladder was fine and no cancer found but they stretched my urethra, as the urologist said it sometimes helps with the pain. I think the theory is that the urethra can tighten or collapses thereby making it less likely to pass urine properly and possible becoming more sensitive. The urologist said they were not sure why women get this horrible burning in the urethra but it could be scarring or interstitial cystitis(a diagnosis which I think means they 'don't know what it is'). Anyway, after the stretching (which was pretty ghastly to have done) I did find I was peeing more efficiently for a a couple of weeks afterwards but this didn't last. I now just make sure I empty my bladder properly each time and use Multi Gyn Actigel after my shower each day, local oestrogen twice a week (Vagifem) and I started back on low dose systemic HRT as well - this combination has reduced symptoms significantly. I do find getting too hot around that area can trigger things, I try not to sit down for to long and avoid anything perfumed or harsh (like normal soap) around my intimate areas.
I do think the idea of a deep seated infection in the bladder is highly likely and hopefully the specialist doing the research on this will publish soon to help bring in better treatment.
For you at this stage local oestrogen is likely to help the situation but please know you are not alone with this and it's unlikely to be just because of the cystoscopy, although it may have triggered a more extreme reaction. I'm sure it will settle but unfortunately this pain makes one tense which will exacerbate the situation. Try to put your feet up, keep cool, try some frozen pees wrapped in a clean tea towel between your legs, drink some bicarb a couple of times a day and actively relax your pelvic floor. BTW - do avoid any acidic food or drinks for the time being as well - even tea or coffee can aggravate. Keep us posted DG x
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Thank you & about the anti spasmodics. I am having a problem dealing with the urethral pain. It may have been there but I have never bad it. If I had not experienced the pain I'm I would never had looked on the Internet or found this site. I had cystoscopies about 20 years with no ill effects. The burning so awful & I can't sleep. It's just not easing
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I'm sorry to hear you're still suffering Peterspots. Did you try drinking the bicarbonate solution? That usually eases the urethral pain after the first pee. IT neutralises the urine so that it doesn't sting the irritated urethra. If you haven't already tried it, try it today. The other thing that I find helps with the urethral pain is running cool water over my bits whilst peeing. Trust me! It works.
I have had the exact same problem for many years. I've had all tests going (scans, urogram, cystoscopy etc) and nothing was ever found. Urine cultures usually come back showing no infection but I get the urethral pain and the bladder spasms. It is an awful pain to have. I personally believe that my urethra is just very sensitive and bacteria (from back passage, sex etc) causes irritation there then the body thinks something is wrong and causes my bladder to spasm and remove the infection/irritant. I now bottle wash after every bowel movement rather that relying on toilet tissue alone and I pee and wash after sex too. It has made a huge difference. I still have occasional problems but nothing like I used to.
I think that the cystoscopy has irritated your already irritated urethra. Try the self help tips for the next few days - you've been given lots of good advice on this post - and, if it's no better, see your GP.
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Thank you. I will make a list of all the things to do to get over this or make good choice. I have been admitted to hospital today for a scan tomorrow & some pain relief. The morphine is pretty fine
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How are you in communication when you are in Hospital :-\ ……….
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Peterspots - I really hope you will soon be fully recovered from this - please let us know how you are getting on. Jenna xx
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Thank you Jenna & everybody else for helping me so much these last days. Hoping there will be a resolution or a plan.
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Hi Peterspots - hope you have had a good night. Please let us know how today goes - we all want you to be well again! :)
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There have been a couple of times when I have been in so much pain with my urethra burning 'like hell' I've been writhing around not knowing how to relieve the pain. I am wondering, if more of us who suffer with this type of pain ended up in hospital, would the medical profession take it more seriously and find a solution?
Peterspot - we will all be very interested to know how they treat you. Keep us posted. DG x
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Unless there is communication across every Medical Centre, Hospital etc. DG - nope :-\
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Hello. Been her two days. No scan. Just pain relief. No doctors. Have to face them tomorrow to take this thing seriously. Miss my family but getting no help here. Off to bed with more morphine. If I'm told to go back to my GP I will scream. If something helps me I will tell the world!
I'm hoping the esteogen is the key. worst time of my life
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Typical NHS ....no doctors at the weekends unless it's an emergency.
Good luck for tomorrow.
Honeyb
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They've booked me in for an ultrasound. I did mention the cream.
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I think they will send me home with pain killers. Another woman who just has to suffer with woman's problems :( :(
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Hi Peterspots - I hope you get some answers and proper treatment today.
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Their not going to do the ultrasound now. I think I'm not believed. :( I can see it in their faces.
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Why aren't they going to do the ultrasound?
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She said she wasn't sure it was the right test the said we will find out but I think they are not going to believe me & send me home. She wants to talk to the gynaecologist to get his notes. I will what but I think they will think it's in my head. Maybe I should have more faith
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Maybe ask for a referral back to a urologist and come home with stronger pain relief. If they are not going to do anything then you would be better off at home I would think.
I did wonder about an ultrasound because it wouldn't show any trauma, just irregularities.
Hope they work out what's wrong soon. Do you feel any better today.
Honeyb
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The pain is also the pain I've had for 6 weeks. The pelvic congestion. I am so worn out by it. I just don't know anymore :( it's Not right to be in this much pain :( women are not mad when they have pain
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I just feel this is something I'm going to have to live with this & be labelled as making it up. I want to try the cream but will anyone listen. The gynaecologist will probably not want to see me because I went to a&e. Always make the wrong decisions. Just venting as friends/family must sigh inside
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Hi Peterspots, I feel your pain literally. Mine started last Feb after I got a UTI after sex. I had an initial cystoscopy in April and was told that my bladder was normal but the pain was excruciating. I had a further cystoscopy and biopsy under general anaesthetic with a different urologist last June and that indicated that I had interstitial cystitis. My bladder was badly inflamed but my urine samples were not showing any sign of infection. The pain has never really gone away and I also have pudendal nerve damage now which makes it really painful to sit down without a 'valley cushion'. I am wondering if you have some nerve damage - if you sit on the loo and relax everything does the pain get better, if so that may indicate that you have some damage to the pudendal nerve. Hope you feel better soon x
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If a patient is admitted via A&E they will have been assessed by a Doctor! If symptoms can be controlled by pain relief then scans won't be done at weekends but that does depend on the Health Authority, some apparently work 24/7 now.
You are making problems before they arrive Peterspots - why would a Gynaecologist not see a patient even if they have been to A&E? anymore than a GP won't see a patient :-\. You already have an appt with a Gynae so go along and have that chat. Who was 'she' exactly? Doctors/Staff make decisions dependant on what they are presented with and if they don't consider that a test is appropriate/essential at this moment in time then the patient will be referred back to the GP.
The NHS is there to serve. Regardless of how often a patient arrives and regardless of what they present with. You felt you needed to discuss your problem so went to A&E …….. and were admitted so the Doctor you saw in Casualty thought you needed support, either with pain relief or further assessment.
When are you being discharged? You should be given a letter to take to your GP so you can then make an appt. if necessary.
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Hello. Everyone was right. I was in for four days. Saw a consultant for 10 mins. After day 4 had an ultrasound. All ok. Sent home with morphine. Begged them to find out why I was so sore & burning. Told not an acute case. Seeing gynae tomorrow. It was a horrible experience but I was kidding myself it would be any different. Sorry to waste everybody's time
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Hi Peterspots - you are not wasting anyone's time, so please don't think that. Hopefully the gynae will be more help tomorrow and will offer you either Vagifem or an oestrogen cream (Estriol or Ovestin) in the hope of improving matters. You can use the cream underneath as well, not just vaginally. Don't forget to let us know how you get on. Good luck!
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Like Jenna says - you ain't wasting anybody's time.
I would think the gynae will be more helpful.
Hope all goes well.
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Thank you. I just don't know how I can be in so much pain. I'm sitting with my family & keep thinking how can I carry on like this. I just don't want to be here anymore. I don't want to be in this pain anymore.
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Are you taking the morphine, is it in tablet form? Who is going with you to the Gynae tomorrow and have you written a list?
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Liquid form. I'm taking it now before bed. My 65 year old friend. The consultant sorted her messed up hysterectomy years ago. I'm
Making my list tomorrow. But if I make the list too long it may be confusing
1. Oestrogen cream
2. MRI/ct scan?
3. Pelvic congestion scan
4. See urogynae person
5. Pelvic pain clinic
Does that sound too hysterical?
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No an inclusive list.
Hope it goes well and you get some answers.
Let us know.
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Thank you. That's made me feel less hysterical. It was a very brutal trip to the hospital. The urology F1 says can't help you & im going back to do my job. Little piece of me broke x
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Peters ports I have in boxed you.
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Hello. Thank you. It's hard to see straight when things have become out of your control & the pain is so engulfing Been to see gynaecologist. Having MRI to rule out nerve problem. He has given me vagifem to try. If this does not solve anything then he will refer me to a place that specialises in pelvic pain but I don't know if they look at the cause or try to eliminate the pain.
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At least something is being done now! Hopefully the Vagifem will really help you. :) Don't forget to let us know how you are getting on!
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Not wanting to be a know it all....but an MRI CAN NOT rule in or rule OUT a nerve problem, it can rule in or out cysts tumours etc.....the world reknowned pelvic nerve surgeon in a France and most of our own specilaists should no this, there is not one diagnostic investigation that can say yes I can see you have nerve damage, it is an accumulative lots of or one sympton that is suggestive of being so......I have seen the very best the UK has to offer on pelvic nerve pain ......which quite frankly is 😏to say the least......if you started off with pain in A and that has now become a b and c then I would go back to a as the source of my investigation......for me that has been my bladder and hormones.......
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hello one thing that is odd since this started is I cannot feel m y baldder is full even though it is.
I only feel the pain I have in the low left hand side behind pubic bone.
do you think this means there is a nerve problem or low oestrogen messing wiht the signal
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Peterspots - I think you might find more answers to bladder related questions on www.ic-network.com. Hope that helps!
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Thank you. I'm so confused as I've been told bladder fine. It's gynaecologal. I keep telling them. At my wits end. Thank you to all those who have taken the tkme to respond. I am trying. The vagifem. Maybe I shouldn't post here anymore as it's probably not the menopause causing my burning problem. I just don't know what's wrong with me. I was hoping everything was wrong because of the low oestrogen but people's comments have made me realise it is something else maybe. You have all been a lifeline
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Hi Peterspots - no, please continue to post! The trouble is we don't know what is causing the pain - it could be gynae, it could be bladder related and it could be both as one seems to affect the other! I had a look on the IC site, and they do seem to discuss the type of questions you are asking, so I just thought that it could be another avenue to explore, as we don't seem to be able to answer your last question! Are you feeling any better today? I hope so, but it is early days yet with Vagifem. Let us know how you get on!
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Peterpsots - don't expect the Vagifem to be an instant fix and it may only help to a certain degree. There are many of us on this site who have problems like yours so I believe it is related to the menopause and oestrogen deficiency. Keep us posted. DG x
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When I had an injury to my bladder it took weeks for what they called "bladder tone " to return. I couldn't tell whether my bladder was full or not.
Eventually the normal feelings returned.
Don't give up yet. It could still be the trauma to your bladder that is causing the lack of sensation.
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Hello. Sorry. I didn't mean it that way. I'm really struggling with what's going on & the extra symotoms form the cysoscopy. My life isn't what it should be. I'm stuck at home with these sympyoms & I'm not coping. I don't know how to pick myself up. I feel so desperate. I don't want to take ADs as she this is over I will be fine. I Have isolated myself because I feel so awful & I. Sorry I'm jealous of everyone continuing with their lives & I'm here. tha k yiu for listening to me. Each day is a struggle. I feel I'm letting my whole family down by not being me. We couldn't go on holiday. We are supposed to be on holiday in Mexico. My husband is doing all the practical stuff but can't put his arm round me. We did everything together & now I'm I'm not going out. I don't want to do this anymore
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Have an appointment with my GP to say I can't feel my bladder full.
Thank you for not giving up on me
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Did you tell the gynae or the doctor when you were in hospital that you couldn't feel when your bladder was full? If so, what did they say about it?
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That is what can happen when you loose bladder tone. An anti spasmodic can help a lot. Have you been offered those.
Even buscopan is used for this.
Honeyb
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The guans looked quizical & I told urology but they said when j wee I empty. Why would I loose bladder muscle tone?
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Has this feeling only been since the cystoscopy?
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Because you have had a procedure inside your bladder which could have caused bruising which could account for the loss of tone.
It wad bruising and stitches that caused me to loose tone. I think it's very common after bladder investigations.
Sorry what is a guans ?
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Oh thank you. So hopefully the bruising will go down. Gynae!
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I'm not really not sure. It's really been apparent recently
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Have you been offered anti spasmodic.
Honeyb
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I am goig to. The toilet now & I will measure. I was after the cysoscopy for the urethra but I was worried becuase I thiught it would stop me feeling it anymore. I don't think I understood becuase it was for an overactive bladder but mine wasn't working in the sense of feeling. I haved called the urology people a couple of tones but they've not called back. I only feel an urge from the pain low down. Bugger
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Oh have I amde it worse :(
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Sorry....so you are saying that you had a lack of feeling before your procedure. I'm a bit confused, because if that's the case then this is not new.
What are you going to measure. I was asked by the hospital to measure my urine output over the course of a few days.
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I just don't know. when it started I knew I wanted to go to the toilet becuase of the pressure really low. I didn't think about the urge. It was just something that happened. It has Beckie. More apparent with the amount of water I'm drinking & not feeling the urge in my tummy. I will measure the wee to see if it's a lot because I don't feel like I wanr to go but the last time was about 10.00
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I sound like a complete loon.
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600 ml/a pint. That seems a lot not to feel :( just the soreness underneath.
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You have just passed a whole pint of urine :o
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I know. I'm worried now. That doesn't seem right not to feel it in my tummy
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Seems a lot in one go to be honest.
What does your doctor say.
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I'm seeing him at 4.30. :( just don't know what is happening to me anymore.
I don't know why I can't feel Im full. That would be a huge amount & I would be in a lot of discomfort in my tummy to go
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I went to doctors & he check if I had feeling around my bottom & then said he didn't know why? He said no feeling at 600 wasn't right. I felt like an idiot again
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I'm sorry but I no longer understand the gist of your threads :-\ ………..
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The last posts have been that i can't feel when I am full & need to wee. I measured 600 ml and didn't feel the sensation to go to the toilet. I spoke to my GP who checked to see if I ha sensation in my lower buttock area. I did. So he just said it's unusual.
I am now on vagifem & hrt. I was posting as I am concerned about the lack of feeling as well as the probelm I am having for with the low pelvic pain.
I'm sorry if my posts have become garbled.
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:thankyou: …….. It will take a while for you to feel any benefit from HRT but the Vagifem should ease symptoms after about 10/14 days. What did the GP tell you about taking the anti-spasmodic?
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Thank you. I understand what you wrote. That's how I feel. How can this escalate so much. He didn't offer any suggestions about not feeling the sensation of wanting to wee. I know I'm hoping for a miracle but I am hoping the vagifem will help. I am on my 1st week of my 2 month on hrt
It feels all so surreal & like you said people think how, why & I know it's odd. That's what's scarey x
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You didn't answer my query about the anti-spasmodic :-\ ……..
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Oh sorry. He didn't say anything about it. He just said he didn't know why I couldnt feel it & he was looking for a problem in my back
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This really really sounds like mine did at the beginning of all this pelvic pain nonsense. Mine started out with a UTI but now I have damage to the pudendal nerve, I take a low dose of amitriptyline to help with the pain, it is an old fashioned anti-depressant. I hope you start to feel better soon.
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It can be such a trial getting anyone to understand how pain and discomfort can affect people :bang: :bang: :bang:.
Rest!
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Would the pudendal nerve effect me not being able to feel my bladders full. Why hasn't anyone mentioned that. I had a massage 2 weeks before my symptoms showed up where she wiggled my legs loads it was myofascial so it was supposed to be gentle. Do you think something happened. It would be my stupid fault
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Yes, the pudendal nerve does affect the bladder as well as other things. Did Maryjane send you a private message the other day, she is an expert on all of this....
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The pudendal nerve is the most important nerve in the pelvic area.......it controls our bladders/bowels and orgasms as I said to you when I private messaged you......most doctors are ignorant to it and what it does......I was talking to a Specialsit a couple of days ago and she said doctors do not realsie how careful they have to be around the pudendal nerve and having a cystoscopy for some can cause real problems.....look up the route path of it.....it goes all the way up our spine to the brain......hopefully if it is that then it has been irritated and will calm down, if it's vaginal atrophy then you will soon know as it will start to get better, the vulva is one mass of pudendal nerve branches so VA is in my opinion the PN irritated by lack of oestrogen.
Your GP is also right to see if it is coming from your back, he was probably thinking L5 area but the Pudendal nerve goes into the pelvis at the sacrum, through and around the vagina/bladder/rectum/urethra/labia/vulva and ending at the clitorise, and going the other way runs next to the sciatic nerve and finishing down the thigh, and it's why when the sciatic nerve gets irritated for some it also irritates the pudendal nerve.
I am afraid I would not expect your GP to know about the Pudendal nerve it just comes under nerve damage, of which a cystoscopy/ childbirth/hysterectomy/horse riding etc etc etc for some of us causes this problem.
Give the HRT vagifem a go.......perhaps amitriptyline and try your best to calm down other wise your central nervous system will go bang........regards physios a bad physio is worse than no physio with this sort of problem as they can make it worse.
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Thank you very much. Makes me feel less mad. i will try to relax but I have found this whole thing devastating.
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Rest. Let the World go by. If you had a broken leg you would be housebound ……. it may seem a long while trying to get answers but in the great scheme of things, once you begin to feel better and less sensitive down there, Life will slot back into place.
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I see the rest as prison. Maybe see the rest as cup of tea & book :)
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Your own prison though :-\ …… don't you have hobbies? When I was depressed I sat. For hours. For 3 months, sitting, doing nowt ……. staring at a wall :'( so anything I manage to do now is a bonus. Reading. Bubble bath with Very Good Book. Sitting in the garden ………. if you can't sit for long, get a lounger ;) and take advantage of the sunshine whilst it lasts!
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I can totally sympathise with you Peterspots as you want your life back not to feel like an invalid when there is so much life to live. When all this kicked off with me last year I had to cancel a trip to the Monaco Grand Prix and I didn't have a holiday last year apart from a few days on the Kent coast. I hate the way my wings have been clipped. If you were recovering from a knee op it would be fine as you would know you would recover soon but this is all so unknown....
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It's like that with pain, I go into panic mood because I don't know how long the pain will continue for nor how much medication is 'safe' to take in order to keep pain at bay. :-\
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Hi Peterspots,
I have read your thread and send my sympathies. You may have read my thread whereby my bowel perforated during a hysterectomy - long story lots of background :(. I have been left with damage to my bladder and I hate it - i used to take going for a wee for granted now I'm in constant discomfort. I also can no longer have intimacy . It is devastating. But I am trying to get on with things as I've been told this can take up to a year to heal and there are no guarantees.
I am sorry and I hope your pain eases soon, my thoughts are with you xx
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I am so sorry that happened to you. I can understand the devastation & the intamacy.
I am not coping & I called Samaritans this morning.
I also have nerve pain in my face for 6 months & now this. I feel overwhelmed & I am worried about my dark thoughts. I feel my life has gone.
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Dear Peterspots
Thinking about you so much. Please don't give up on yourself.
I eventually had suicidal thoughts with the intense bladder and nerve pain I had for several months last year. In fact, my doc sent me for short stay in hospital for tests when I said life wasn't worth living any more. I hadn't experienced a depression like this previously - being down, yes - but this was like seeing life from the bottom of a deep pit. Previous to this, I held down a responsible job, too.
I have two teenage kids and a good supportive husband, who did their best - but I felt bad and guilty about everything, as I felt as if I was a burden to everyone . Not sleeping, couldn't even chat with friends because of the discomfort, couldn't travel - the list was endless.
My probs started with severe nerve pain from shingles ( neck and back ) - but with hardly any rash. Then bladder infection, long courses of antibiotics, bladder inflammation, with low down pain so severe even tramadol didn't touch it ( I was given oromorph in hospital which did tackle the pain, but knocked me out too! )
But I am now well on road to recovery following vaginal oestrogen treatment vagifem and ovestin - helped along with antidepressant ( amyltriptyline )
There have been relapses during the last ten months towards recovery and during these times I have needed to be very patient. But i am now so much better - I go out, most days no pain ( much less intense ) and am mostly back to a normal life where I can relate normally to my family again. I am learning to cope with stress better - resting, changing my diet, meditating all helped. I view life differently and can now see how intense pain affected and distorted the way I viewed everything and everyone around me.
Look after yourself, keep seeking the help and support of your family and professionals and don't give up on finding a solution to things. Never, ever give up.
Hope this helps a bit.
Many hugs
Paula x
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Great post Paula - such positive support and advice - so pleased to hear you are finding a good way forward.
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Peterspot - do seek help if you are this low - you need to see your GP and possibly consider some short term ADs to help you through this - Paula has given some really good thoughts.
We're here to support you. DG x
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Thank you so much Paula. It has really helped. I feel all you felt.
& I blame myself for ruining my families lives. I hate myself for having the cystoscopy.
My GP has prescribed AD but I haven't taken them but I think I need to. I'm sitting crying because work has sent me beautiful flowers saying hope I feel better & I don't & im crying for the life I have lost. I tried to drive but it hurt & where I had the cystoscopy my urethra is hurting &
I didn't have that before. I am so tired of being in pain. Bless you for keep responding. I don't think I have ever felt so desperate & low. I feel ashamed to take that ADs but I hurt so much & I am so sad.
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There is no shame in taking ADs, why on earth should there be. Just because it's not something you can see doesn't mean it's not happening.
Try what your GP has prescribed and see if they help. It could take a little while but hopefully they will help you cope.
Are you going to receive anymore treatement for your bladder. There are other options of medications that will help nerve pain.
Having you started with Vagifem to see if that may help.
Sometimes just making a few positive steps makes you feel more in control.
Honeyb
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Hi Peterspots
Thank you for your reply.
Bladder and urethral pain is very much underestimated - it can be excruciating. I told the consultant it was on par to dilation contractions in childbirth - except it it was often relentless and didn't end with a baby!
When I was discharged from a teaching hospital last summer ( still in huge pain, but sent home with yet more packs of ineffective strong painkillers and a useless antispasmodic drug ), the male doctor who discharged me told me some people with PBS just wanted to ' rip their bladders out'. I should have reported him to the urology consultant, but at the time I felt very ill - I just didn't have the energy or will to respond to his thoughtless and cruel comment.
There are PBS ( painful bladder syndrome ) clinics at outpatients in many of the larger hospitals. I was offered treatment at one of these clinics, but fortunately as time went by the oestrogen pessaries, cream and antidepressant kicked in, so I didn't need to go to any of the sessions.
You are not alone, Peterspots.
As I said, hang on in there!
Kind Regards
Paulax
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Peterspots - you have had advice from your GP, a Consultant in A&E and from the ladies on here. Now it is up to you to make a note of the suggestions, otherwise your pain won't improve and you will continue to feel depressed.
As for ruining your families lives ……… that's in your mind probably, not theirs, have you actually asked them how they feel about these last few weeks? Assumption can cause all kinds of un-necessary problems! It's your guilt and state of mind, but unless you ask them for support :-\
If you feel ashamed of taking medication then DON'T tell anyone! it's nowt to do with anyone else after all. My husband, my GP and myself are the ONLY people who know which medications I take. A few friends are aware that I need chemical support but don't know what I swallow every day. That leaves me in control of who knows what.
For years I was afraid to try anything different in case it made me worse, whether it was eating, drinking, taking medication ……. for 3 months I had no Life at all but eventually the medication did begin to work and I could see sunshine again.
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Thank you all again. I am now on the HRT & Vagifem (3 days) I think 6 months of face pain (3 months previous to that off family stress re daughter) & then the bladder pain has caused me to find life very hard. If the issues with my face/bladder I would not be on this situation but merrily going to yoga 3x a week & Zumba once. Enjoying my 4 day a week school secretary job. The little ones are a joy. Enjoying my Mexico all inclusive holiday & spending as much time taking my daughter out & travelling together before uni. I loved the life I was living. Out with friend, hubby, family, sisters. The pain has just stopped my life & I am scared & sad. I am angry that I can't cope at the moment & I am scared. I will take the AD as I want to emotionally feel better but it is a direct result of the pain. Thank you all again for taking the time. It may sound like self pity but it is desperation to be in this situation
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Paula the consultant did think my face pain was from shingles or muscle spasm on the nerves. So I understand how devastating getting another painful thing. I think the biggest thing would be to know I'm going in the right direction. I wake up each morning with hope and then I feel better. It was so kind of you to post about something so personal.
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* hope I'll feel better & I don't.
Thank you for the don't give up!
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I take my AD at night so I can sleep through any side-effects. It helps my morning mood ;)
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Taken it! Cymbalta. Pinching underneath so sore.
Positives. Burning has reduced. Vagifem
Positives. You
Doc said I am severely anemic & could be contributing to nerve pain in face/tingling
Have to go back next week.
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Little steps!
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Yes, I had a Physio appointment for my face today but I was I a lot of discomfort underneath & I mentioned I can't feel my bladder filling. She thought the problem was with my sacral joint. I have told gynaecologist & my GP I can't feel it but they don't seem to be concerned.
I am concerned. It isn't right not to feel my bladder filling/full &
I don't know what what the long term consequences are. Having MRI Friday of pelvis.
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Had MRI & contacted the urology team again & said there must be a medical reason I do not have the urge pressure to wee. They preciously said it must be a coincidence but I said I didn't have this problem before cystoscopy
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A nerve has been damaged during the cystoscopy......I am on FB groups where this has happened to o many male and female......
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Can you let me know how to access these please
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Hello. I have had bladder sensation back for 10 days. The feeling is it was bruising from the cystoscopy. I have a Doppler scan ultrasound on Wednesday to check for pelvic venous congestion & then the London pain clinic the following Monday.
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Has the pain gone now or are you still uncomfortable?
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Hello the pain is less but still there. Went for scan today to see if I had pelvic venous congestion. No vein proble. But they said there was thickening of the urethra and base of bladder & have referred me to see a lady who specialises in hormones. I also have face pain from clenching which is getting worse. Could this all be the menopause?
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I too was wondering about you recently. Stress can cause tension in the facial muscles. Do you have to wait long for the appt.?
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Hello. I'm going to try & call today & use my husbands health insurance. I wore a night guard last night. I don't know how to stop it. what a mess to be in. My face & head feel sore :( can't my body give me a rest when I'm asleep! Any one have any suggestions re teeth grinding.
Thank you for all your support. Been a horrible journey but hope the hormone/woman's gynaecologist will be able to help.
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Hi Peterspots, when I went through a few months of meno misery a few years ago - insomnia, joint pains, anxiety etc.....I was left with dreadful facial pain from jaw clenching and teeth grinding. In fact, this sounds quite ridiculous now, one day I took myself off to A&E and told them I had rabies (I had been googling and it is one of the symptoms). I saw a physio who confirmed that I was grinding my teeth. It did go as I slowly relaxed more but it did take a while, have you tried relaxation tapes etc. your body is still on red-alert!
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Judith57 I have been really good at not crying lately but the tears are threatening to come out after your post. Are we twins?
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Hi Peterspots - I don't grind my teeth but when I lie in bed at night trying to go to sleep I sometimes become conscious that my whole mouth and jaw is completely tense and tight and once I become aware of this I just let it all go and make my cheeks and face become all floppy and then I become relaxed!
If your hands and your face/jaw are tense and clenched then you can't relax to try to focus on these areas if you can to let your body relax if possible :)
Hurdity x
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Oh dear, I didn't want to make you cry - just to assure you that I have been there and it does go. I think I am twins with a lot of people on this forum!
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A gum guard is very good ...if you didnt want to go to the dentist then chemist shops sell them.
Also try and be aware of where your tongue is in your mouth. It should sit behind the top teeth and not the bottom. It's much harder for you to clench your jaw if the tongue is in the right position.
I also clench my jaw at night and end up with pain up the side of my face. I rub in a little Ibuprofen gel around my jaw and it really helps.
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My husband is a dreadful night-time teeth grinder. He has to wear a guard supplied from his dentist but never does! Consequently he has worn down two sets of crowns over the last ten years. It's not just meno that causes this.
Taz x
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Hello, I am going to see Sorva Whitcroft today with the hope of help with my pelvic problem & maybe the constant pressure in my face (I know this one is less likely) has anyone seen her?