Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: oldsheep on May 22, 2015, 08:35:06 AM
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I had a smear on tuesday morning. I had some brown discharge afterwards which I thought normal. It's continued (in quite small amounts) since then.
This morning there wasn't anything on the panty pad but when I wiped, quite a lot of brown blood (sorry if TMI). I rang the surgery and they spoke to the nurse who said this is quite normal. Being a holiday weekend, there are no appointments until wednesday.
It feels like a dull, slight period ache.
On Monday last week I spoke to the meno clinic nurse about my so-called high oestradiol flagged up by my GP. The nurse told me the doctor had got it wrong and 223 level was normal. I don't want to phone her again in case she marks me down as a serial fusser.
When does this stop being post smear injury discharge bleeding and start being irregular bleeding that I need to contact them about for a scan? I'm on HRT (continuous) and don't bleed. Utrogestan 100mg every night.
As usual, I'm now getting fussed as thought it would have stopped by now. I also fuss about vagifem use while this is going on. I have used it once and am supposed to use it again tonight.
I have to go out and buy small tampons. I'd thrown mine away! It feels like a period now today, which it didn't on tues, wed and yesterday really. I wonder if the smear kicked off something. I'd recently had a nasty M.E flare up that I thought was hormone related.
thanks ladies.
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A smear won't kick off hormones. Spotting is 'normal' after an internal investigation. I can't remember if you are getting periods ? if so, the brown discharge followed by a bleed followed by ......... is probably 'normal' for you? Especially as you describe cramping.
The Nurse didn't seem worried. I don't think a scan would be instigated at this stage as you may have a 'period' which will cleanse the womb. Hopefully once the result is returned you will be less worried.
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thanks CLKD x
I'm just nervy - it's the intermittent nature of it. Nothing, then quite a bit. And the period type pain.
No, haven't had a bleed for years now. I'm on continuous HRT with nightly Utrogestan 100mgs.
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There are a lot of nerves tha knows 'down there' so any poking around may well irritate the area. If you aren't comfortable by mid-next week have a chat with the Nurse again.
Nurofen might ease any back-ground cramping.
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touch wood, it's better, but - I now have swollen boobs and tum. Oestrogen?
When I was ill for 3 weeks recently, not sleeping, pain and M.E symptoms from long ago back again, I asked for oestrogen test in case it was low as it fitted.
It came back at 225 ish. GP said high, meno nurse said fine.
I'm on Evorel 75 - shouldn't be fluctuating like this. I'm even on evening primrose as my boobs hurt. And I'm fat(ter). I'm wondering if the prolonged bleeding from the smear was due to everything being a bit oestrogenic?
Anyone else have obvious fluctuations while on the patch? I even started to think I'd got a dodgy batch of them.
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Any hormones that you 'make' will be enhanced/aggravated by HRT. Rest as much as you can. Let you body do it's own thing ………. drink plenty of juice/water.
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Any hormones that you 'make' will be enhanced/aggravated by HRT. Rest as much as you can. Let you body do it's own thing ………. drink plenty of juice/water.
um, I drank rosé and a glass of cava in the garden before the rain came. I'll top up with water :D
I do feel tired. No swimming today. Everything is more tiring.
Think I've gone up a bra size and my tum is bloated. I've been cutting out sugar and eating far less for a few weeks, so it does bother me when I end up larger!
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;D - did the alcohol help ???
Cutting out sugar doesn't alter any belatedness I suffer. Drinking more water can ease symptoms. Eating less won't help much as 1 requires calories to burn calories …….. feet up with something to hand later, i.e. a cuppa ;)
belateness :-\ - that should read 'breathlessness' ::)
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I have often had bleeding after a pap smear especially since they started using the newer method. My gynae explained to me that its a little brush that the scrape the cells off with, he clearly used a bit too much elbow grease cos I spotted and then had a full on bleed for a few days after that....I told him the following time and he used a smaller sized brush and was fine then no bleeding so am sure its from your cervix it does tend to bleed a lot, will clear up...he told me if it continued to use the utrogestan that would stop the bleeding.
And 225 is def not unusually high mine sits @ between 400 and 600, I started a discussion about levels just this past week, Hurdity was most helpful. I think you should relax.....
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well the wine helped me relax a bit Cassie ;) only had 2 glasses mind, that's my limit.
I hadn't drunk anything for weeks so my head spun a bit!
Yes, I get fussed so easily. I'm pretty horrified by the sudden weight gain though. I'd got used to the 5kg weight gain with meno, but in the last month it's an extra 3kgs and I feel like a whale.
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touch wood, it's better, but - I now have swollen boobs and tum. Oestrogen?
When I was ill for 3 weeks recently, not sleeping, pain and M.E symptoms from long ago back again, I asked for oestrogen test in case it was low as it fitted.
It came back at 225 ish. GP said high, meno nurse said fine.
I'm on Evorel 75 - shouldn't be fluctuating like this. I'm even on evening primrose as my boobs hurt. And I'm fat(ter). I'm wondering if the prolonged bleeding from the smear was due to everything being a bit oestrogenic?
Anyone else have obvious fluctuations while on the patch? I even started to think I'd got a dodgy batch of them.
CLKD Im sure is right I havent blead for over 20yrs but my last smear caused red blood Hed tried 3speculums before he used an almost childs one to use Im very samll always was@with AV! smaller
It could be that and hormones Id not be worried about bothering anyone thats what Doctors r there 4
You pay your taxes Im amazed how many Ladies now in todays workd seem to have forget they, their husbands/parents/children/bros/sisters/Aunts/Uncles.HAVE PAID IN TO THE NATIONAL HEALTH service
Thats why the TAX is called the National Healtrh Contribution sorry I get miffed heheheh
They are NOT doing you a favour or being charitable it is their job they are paid by the Government
Who use some of the TAXES paid for by YOU the people SO GO if it will put your mind at restxxxxx
This is where even paying a TOKEN FIVER TO SEE THE GP if u earn over a certain amount
People would change their tune then cos theyd be paying something out of their purse something
They could physically see
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>wave< SuziQ - :thankyou:
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:foryou: :thankyou: Love Suzi Q xxxx
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Any improvement today with the discharge?
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yes there is, thanks. I hope it's now stopped!
I'm still hugely swollen though (boobs, tum). I know when this happens, I tend to look at anything it could be. The latest batch of Evorel 75s seems to have a different adhesive. It leaves far less of a black square when you pull it off, but my skin looks puckered and shiny - almost looks as though there's still a patch on my stomach.
I believe the oestrogen is in the adhesive, so I'm wondering if they've changed it and I'm taking a while to adapt to it? Just a thought.
I was on these patches when I was so unwell a few weeks ago and had an oestradiol reading of 225-odd. I certainly don't feel in any other way that my oestrogen is too high. Still a dried out old prune in so many ways ::) :-\
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Prunes are lovely - in a fruit bowl ::). Could you ask a Pharmacist about any product changes? Glad you are improving.
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spoke too soon CLKD! The pharmacist said they'd not know if the adhesive were changed.
However te whole feeling v unwell thing I had a month ago is starting up again. This time I'm 100% sure it's hormonal imbalance, but also 100% unsure which is dominant.
I have so many symptoms of oestrogen being low - insomnia or REM sleep/constant waking from vivid dreams only; increased anxiety and emotional behaviour; tired; muscle pain and general M.E flare up. Upset stomach.
But oestradiol tested at 220+. Normal
However my breasts are really very swollen, 2 sizes bigger than normal, sore and I feel puffy in my stomach too. That's from too much oestrogen isn't it, or can progesterone do that?
I'm ringing the nurse at the meno clinic again and going to the GP to try to enlist his help in getting me an appointment before my scheduled one in February 2016.
(is there any way to edit the title of this thread?)
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Ladies often find the progesterone stage of treatment difficult to live with. I doubt if a body can carry too much oestrogen :-\ as it's being produced naturally. I have the sleep symptoms you describe, unrelated to hormones but connected to the medication I take ::). Particularly the busy, involved, long dreams ……..
Maybe it's the ME causing over-all feelings of being unwell. Plus hormones causing the swollen breasts. A nasty combination.
Let us know how you get on with the Nurse.
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thanks x
the clinic rang me to say everyone's on holiday this week but they'll bring my appointment forward. Might be within 2 weeks, which is really good news. The receptionist there is so lovely and seems to have sorted it for me (she hopes).
Smear was normal too.
I just can't tolerate not sleeping - not so much while it's happening but the dizziness, nausea and extreme muscle pain it causes me. I never get more than 6 hours anyhow but need that to control the M.E/fibro.
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Keeping people awake is a form of torture …… sleep is essential for healing, new growth, escaping for a few hours. Could you take a sleeping pill for a few nights to break the cycle of sleep/wake/dozing …...
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nothing's working CKLD, not even sleeping pills. If I do sleep, it's for a brief time, then I have a vivid dream and wake up.
Very tired obviously.
I wish I knew what was doing it, as it's all the low oestrogen symptoms, but with huge boobs. I've emailed Janssen to ask if they've changed the adhesive or oestradiol compound but don't know if they'll reply. The sticky residue is definitely a diffferent product than I've had on the patches for a few years now.
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When I sent an e-mail to them they were helpful!
Lack of sleep can become all consuming. Busy dreams, very involved, long, drawn out and about people I haven't thought of for years++ ::) and last night I had the same dream on and on but with variations: kept re-starting with different scenarios :P
Once you wake from the dreaming do you drop off at all?
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yes, well until about 5.30am or so. But then I have another dream and wake up etc. This is better than nights when despite taking pills, I don't sleep at all. Sleep controls my M.E. I went for a swim today as was so sore, and got cramp again. I don't get cramp when I've slept.
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another really bad night. Boobs look even bigger, as is tum.
Can oestrogen imbalance or slightly too high oestrogen cause bad sleep? (I know low oestrogen does)
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we need Hurdity for that one ::)