Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: trac896 on May 18, 2015, 12:43:12 PM
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What's your views on this? My menopause specialist told me to drink soya milk as it has estrogen but not sure I should be replacing milk with this. What about calcium etc?
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Soya milk I think has calcium in anyway, but if you look at the labels it often says with added calcium and vitamins. Been drinking it for years and prefer it in tea.
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Please do your own research but understand that the soya in soya milk is not particularly good for us, the only soya we should eat is the fermented Japanese kind. Because that is good for us we tend to think of all soya as healthy,
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I am always sceptical about soya as there is a very big industry out there promoting it and its many products, and trying to find a use for byproducts.
http://www.alpro.com/uk/products/drinks/soya-plain/fresh-original
Soya milk contains some calcium and this is upgraded to the level of cows milk with the addition of calcium carbonate and with vitamin D2 (D3 is usually preferred as a supplement) and other things are added (see above). (Tinned sardines are way better for calcium and D, as well as the advantage of omega 3 oils if that is what you are looking for)
I avoid it as I have oral allergy syndrome (silver birch pollen related) and it concentrates the allergens found in soya.
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There is some basic information about phyto-oestrogens (that are found in some plants including soya) on this website, which explains what they are and how they work in simple terms:
http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/phytoestrogens.php
There is a fantastic review (from last year) listing scientific articles/research about the effects of soy on all sorts of different medical conditions here (you'll need to scroll down for menopause!):
http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/tofu-what-does-science-say
Hurdity x
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I was given a recipe for HRT Cake by a nutritionist I saw, containing soya milk and soya flour. She recommended making it in a loaf tin and slicing it, then freezing it. A slice a day and very pleasant. Lots of good stuff in it. I can post the recipe if anyone is interested.
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Always up for a cake recipe Ju Ju!🍰
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The soya beans are washed in a petroleum based solvent, bleached, deodorised and pumped full of additives then crushed and mixed with water to make the milk, from this I would suggest organic soya might be the one to look for, perhaps Almond milk would be better.
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A bean is a bean, doesn't need additives so what will 'they' be adding? Do you have printed info Winterrose? The website to check for this type of info is Ben Gold's he probably has some knowledge of soya milk. Not something I have fancied, ever
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Trouble is with almond milk is that it encourages a water-hungry crop in a drought area. Soya no better ethically though I guess.
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Also, if people are allergic to nuts ::) ……… why try other types of milk, if I don't need milk then I don't buy it. It has never crossed my mind to use any other …….. goats' milk is supposedly good for people with lactose intolerance but I don't like the smell :-X :P
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Hello trac 896.
I just wanted to add that I gave up cows milk five years ago and have drunk soya milk ever since. I have never noticed any hormonal effects but then I wasn't looking for any lol. I also like almond and coconut milk and they all seem to include added calcium etc.
I think these foods are beneficial to those of us who need to avoid dairy products.
Wishing you well.
K.
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I love coconut milk - glad I don't have to climb to get the nuts though 8)
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Do not use unorganic highly processed or if.you have had endometriosis or fibroids at all
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I can't see that soya milk would be non-organic …...
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Soya is highly processed dian shepperton mills one of.the top nutritionists gave a speech at an.endo day i attended. She said if you have to use it you must have organic.
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The washing takes place in Aluminium containers which then leach aluminium into the product, theres thickeners added to make it more like milk as well as oil and vitamins. Kept in the chill area to make us think its a fresh product. If the soya is from Monsanto then it has roundup sprayed onto the GModified product. So def organic , apparently really easy to make your own , its amazing what we dont know about our food. :P
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Nowt wrong with GM products ;) - humans have been modifying food stuffs since God was a Lad ……..
I think that the aluminium leaching is old research ;) and the containers that Companies now use would most likely be solid, not the same as those - if you can remember back far enough - 'tin' foil plates/cooking trays that were popular in the 1970s. I think we have some in our attic ::) ………. for a while we were keen enough to cook and freeze in batches, crikey, where did we get our energy :D
At which point in the growing process is 'round up' used Winterose? Most of our food crops in the UK are sprayed to lessen the chance of infestation, don't blame Monstanto ………. and crops are treated with granule (not manure or compost but name escapes me :kick:) ……. pellets will do for now ::) regularly through the growing season.
Personally we use spray on greenfly if necessary, hopefully bluetits etc. and ladybirds will eat greenfly/blackfly etc. but there aren't as many insects to make much input. We grow carrots higher in raised beds to discourage the carrot root fly ……. worked last year ! apparently dilute soapy water is now banned :-X :o ……..
If someone doesn't like the food process then don't buy the product :-\
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If the soya is from UK it doesnt have roundup on it but all Monsanto American Soy crops are sprayed with it. I still have some large aluminium pans and presumably the trays for take aways and ready made meals are aluminium. Even plastics leach into our food so we are doomed from day on e, :( Thats suppose d to mess with our hormones too..........perhaps this thread should stop here!!!
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How does aluminium and plastic leach into our food stuffs? :-\ My husband is a research chemist and he can't understand where you get the idea from. Similar to all fish had mercury in the 1970s ::) but they didn/t ......... how many farms grow soya beans in the UK - I ought to know, coming from a farming region ::) but all I see across the UK right now are feed beans (broads) for cattle as well as oilseed rape.
I never 'fancied' soya milk ::) but if push came to shove, I would drink it - probably. It's supposed to help how?
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The Bon Appetit list was very good, Hurdity. Well worth looking at.
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Must be similar to Australians who warned against leaving plastic bottles in sun and then drinking from them, the nasties are turning up in breast tissue samples taken from women with breast cancer , not that they were cited as cause of cancer. :-*
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Where do you get your information from :-\