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Menopause Discussion => Personal Experiences => Topic started by: Kittyjay on May 01, 2015, 05:09:56 PM
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Hi all I hope you may have some pearls of wisdom... I recently (10 days ago) stopped taking utrogestan continuously to retry taking it on a sequi basis. This was mainly due to crushing fatigue even though I feel great in every other way on utro. As I have bleeding anyway on continuous utro due to fibroids, I wanted to try to see if the fatigue would be better on a cycle. Well..... It's a little bit better BUT the withdrawal of utrogestan has meant an immediate return of massive anxiety attacks, panic, feeling low, tearfulness and over sensitivity to anyone and anything. I have flashing headaches and am jittery as hell. I'm desperate to get back on continuous utrogestan and get back on an even keel!
I'm on day 10 so do u think I can just start it again tonight? My gp was happy for me to see if it worked on a cycle but I can't now speak to him till after bank holiday and I really don't want to feel this crap for the next few days when I'm sure I just need to get the progesterone back in my system. Any ideas ladies? Thanks so much x
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Hi Kittyjay
Sorry you're feeling so rough. Sounds like the Utro was doing a very good job of quashing your anxiety/panic. I've only had one 12 day phase of Utro on my sequi HRT so far and I was very pleasantly surprised at its calming effect, and how much better I slept. I did feel slightly more tired than usual, but that was a very small price to pay for not having the awful anxiety.
In your shoes I would definitely just switch back on to a conti regime straight away. For me, there's simply nothing worse than those awful anxiety pangs, and that horrible sinking feeling. I'd do pretty much anything to avoid having them.
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Hi kittyjay,
At least you know now that you are better off as before. There is nothing worse than the PMT symptoms you describe. I hope you feel better soon when the progesterone kicks in ,
Pepperminty xx
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Gypsyroselee- so you get the tiredness thing too? I just find it so debilitating especially with a young child (I had early meno) Hence why I tried sequi again .... I didn't quite realise the huge effect that progesterone has on me in a good way and how quickly a dip would take effect. Thanks Pepperminty- it does show to stick with what works and don't try to change it! X
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Ladies, I'm toying with the idea that progestrrone would help me
I had a hysterectomy 16 years ago and been on max oestrogen hrt since with no problems til I hit peri , I'm assuming, because my oestrogen level on blood tests have always been good but my progesterone is almost non existent, that this is where I'm suffering, do you think my symptoms are because I'm needing progesterone ? I never used to have pmt or anything, presumably because my progesterone level was stable ?
Is it ok to take it continuously ?
Annie
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Hi Annie- from the research I did and talking to my gp, yes you can take it safely continuously. in fact some research he talked about shows it can help protect against certain illnesses etc. I personally find it really lifts my mood and diminishes panic/anxiety. The last 10 days have proved this to me. However I'm no expert - hopefully someone knowledgable will come along!!! X ;)
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Annie you dont need progesterone as you have no uterus therefore no lining to thin down.
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Dazed-Is thinning the lining the only reason to use progesterone? What would happen to someone who has had a hysterectomy if they took it? It clearly has calming anti anxiety benefits for some people, so could Annie possibly benefit from that? it's only recently that I've really thought about the actual role of progesterone. many people suffer on it ..... but for many it has huge huge benefits.
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Kittyjay, my tiredness wasn't too bad and actually I welcomed it as I had been feeling so strung out and wired before. If I had to chose between feeling a bit tired but happy & no anxiety, or lots of energy but feeling wired and anxious there'd be no contest. I'd be reaching for the Utro with both hands ;D
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I feel the same GypsyRoseLee, it's interesting to me to open up a discussion on the positives of progesterone for some/many people- though I have only felt this way on utrogestan- I previously took femseven sequi and evorel sequi but can't remember feeling good on those....Oestrogen is always seen as the life changer but is that the case?
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Annie you dont need progesterone as you have no uterus therefore no lining to thin down.
Dazned, I disagree, there are women without a uterus who do use it, there's symptoms of low progesterone/oestrogen dominance. I haven't discussed this with a gp yet but that will be my next subject
For instance , I think women with a hystrtectomy and fibroids or something similar sometimes take progesterone because it's never guaranteed that everything was removed, hence the need for progesterone, same as on here, some women feel better on it, some feel better off it
I personally think it's just text book teachings that say it's just for protecting the uterus
I may be wrong but I still think there will be women suffering as a result of depleted progesterone
Anne
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Maybe if someone is " estrogen dominant" they could look at reducing estrogen if they are on a high dose.
Its all a bit of trial and error and balancing act really and if we are trying to mimic what our body needs to function as best it can then progesterone hormone is known as the pregnancy hormone needed to maintain a pregnancy,hence why utrogestron pessary are used in fertility treatment,Im on these and gps dont perscribe them for use in hrt for this reason I get them privately,you can get the capsules from gps but they are oral however they can be used vaginally. Progesterone is also the hormone that regulates our cycles . That was all I meant by saying if no uterus it wasnt needed,however if you feel it would be of some use to you by all means look into it further we all do whatever it takes to feel well. I only use it 3 monthly and a low Ad for my insomnia and anxiety. At the moment this is working for me. Hope you get some answers for you soon.x
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Thanks Dazned, it just seems, for me, for years producing my own progesterone I was dandy, now it's almost non existent and I have horrible symptoms, consistent with progesterone deficiency/oestrogen dominance. I'm reluctant at this stage to reduce my oestrogen as as well as other symptoms my joints are hurting
Annie
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I know it's horrible all these awful symptoms :-\
At last I think I ve cracked all the terrible anxiety,palps,etc.which were the worst things for me. Just maybe to bear in mind I think you said you started on hrt 16 years ago all our bodies unfortunately are getting a little bit more worn shall we say :whist: ;D
So we aint gonna feel the same way as we did then and this is something Ive struggled to except Ive decided not too waste anymore of my precious time looking for it ! :-\
Have you tried omega 3 oil ,calcium and magnesium for your joints see if that helps?
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I have cold liver oil with omega 3 but did wonder whether I should've got the high dose omega 3, my B vits and D came this morning so will look into calcium and magnesium
My grandchildren came over today with my daughter, we were casually chatting and an overwhelming urge to sleep came over me, before that I had about 30 seconds where I felt 'out of it' like dizzy, light headed and my double vision goes crazy, these are the things I need help with, as they happen so much each and every day, I hate it
Annie
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Hi Annie,
I can totally connect with the overwhelming urge to sleep, that comes on quickly. Along with the dizzy feeling and I then can't see!! I haven't a clue what I am missing in the Hormone stakes. How anyone can function successfully like this I do not know. If only I had no responsibilities and could live life in a box where it didn't matter. But I am sure like you , I would like to enjoy my life , without feeling dreadful. It's definitely worth enquiring and trying these things , if it works that would be great. Good luck
Pepperminty xx
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I know, and on my days off if I start to drift off I get a really weird feeling, like I'm going under an anaesthetic , but stronger, I really can't explain it
If I get up to do :something , I get breathless, I need my inhaler far more these days than the initial morning and night preventative. I'm on ibuprofen daily for headaches, muscle and joint pain
I accept the VA, as much as I don't want it, I understand why it's happened, but not my other symptoms, and I've never ever had a hot flush, just the odd night sweat
Annie