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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: honeybun on April 20, 2015, 07:40:56 PM
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I'm not asking what anyone is voting as that is obviously very private.
What I am asking of the English and Welsh ladies....is
Are you worried about the Scottish National Party and what part they will play in deciding what party will govern the country and the influence they could have.
I think if I was living in England I might find it just a tad disturbing that the nationalists could play such a large part in deciding what happens in the next British Government.
Has anyone one given it any thoughts at all, and if so what do you feel about it.
Honeybun
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I thought we are all ruled from mainland Europe :-\ ;)
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Have you been following the news CLKD.
Briefly so I don't bore anyone
Labour, previously has held most of the seats in Scotland. This time round the SNP will take at least 50 seats which will make them the third largest party in the country although no one in England can vote for them. Therefore if no one part has a majority then a coalition will have to be formed and then comes the SNP.
They will therefore have a huge say in English/British government and they don't have any other interest except what happens north of the border.
Just thought it maybe something the English voters may be thinking about.
Honeybun
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Nope - it all goes over my head ;D
We have local elections too ::) ……..
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It's getting interesting. ??? I like the welsh lady, but I live in England.
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Do we really believe that our Votes matter :-\ ……… what would happen if no one went to the Poll?
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Oh heck CLKD, watch the news.....they explain it much better than I can.
It is important though.
Honeybun
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It's important to me, only if 'they' do what they promise ……. but all my Life it seems that the new Government spends at least 3 years turning around what the previous one has put into place >:( ::) ……. years ago the locals would tap on the door and spend time discussing worries and making suggestions - now they have 'surgeries'; apparently!
I don't think that any of the MPs represent me :-\
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I do not think any of the parties will make a coalition with the SNP. I think it will be two out of Lab, Lib, Tories that will coalesce. Perhaps even UKIP, they seem to be gaining more votes lately.
Bramble
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Really interesting though.
Maybe we are getting a different story in Scotland than those south of the border. There does seem to be some concern though.
Honeybun
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Agree with you about the SNP Honeybun. It would be quite bizarre to have them able to play a major part in government when no one in England can vote for them or their policies. What a mess politics is in at the moment, every party out for themselves rather than concentrating on the important issues like The NHs and Education.. In local politics I don't think party politics should be involved, local councils should be made up of independents whose only focus is the local community they represent, maybe then we would have a council made up of people with real experience in relevant areas instead of those with party political bias. That's it-rant over! The sun is shining and we are off to the garden centre later to buy some seeds and have a coffee. Hope everyone has a nice day.
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Only just seen this HB.
I find it very worrying that the SNP could end up having significant power over the whole of the UK. It seems wrong for them to have such influenece, given they wanted to be independent of that selfsame UK last year! Mind you, I feel the same about the other nationalist parties, they shouldn't be controlling areas that they don't live in.
CLKD I can see where you are coming from when you say voting doesn't make any real difference but the fact remains that we can vote, this isn't possible for many people in the world. My late MIL (usually a calm relaxed person) used to go ape when one of her sons (not OH) said there was no point voting, she remembered the suffragettes and took voting very seriously.
My personal problem with this election is does one support the party or the person? Our local MP is Conservative and has been really good, however I do not want to support Cameron, don't like him at all.
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May not even be voting, as still no polling cards. Electoral office said, we still could if we just turned up. We never received notification that we had to register separately, not as a household. We have now done that, but lady at Electoral office never said we hadn't registered separately. Think many will be in this position & will find that on the day, they have no vote.
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We should have an election every year! All the parties seem to have found solutions to problems and ways to fund the solutions! ;D
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We have the right to choose not to though. The Suffragettes didn't gain Votes for me, but Votes for Women. If I choose not to then that's what the Wars were for, the right to abstain. We will be voting of the person who will keep the Party out that we like the least ;) ………
DC says he's not standing for PM again. I also think that the Electorate should choose the PM and not the Party!
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I'll moan if I want to :na: 'they won't hear me ;) and 'they' won't do anything about my moans and groans anyway!
Even if it were compulsory, 1 can always screw up the paper if 1 doesn't agree with the Politicians' view points.
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We will be voting of the person who will keep the Party out that we like the least ;) ………
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Whats's this we - Thought votes were given to individuals not groups :-\
Or does your OH vote for you.......
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He's not allowed to vote for me, I'm in the UK ::) but 'we' have had the discussion about what we think is best for our village …….
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Trouble is they (politicians) don't seem to do what they say they will...... :-\
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That's my WHOLE point : if I knew they would stick to what the Electorate wants ::) then I might be more inclined to believe what they tell us during the run up ……. however :-X
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Think you have to think maybe outside the village.
This is big stuff and to my mind a lot of thought should be given to it. You don't have to vote if you don't want to but my dad taught me to think of it as something that others died for and it was not to be wasted.
Me...I'm voting tactically. It will just about kill me to do it...but needs must up here.
I think I have said before regarding voting that the outcome could be scary. Well I'm back at that point again.
Heaven only knows how this one will go but I'm thoroughly sick of politicians and voting. I have had enough recently to be honest.
Honeybun
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So have I. 'they' never seem to come to the fore until Election time. 'they' seem to squabble and bicker like kids in The House rather than getting on with the job.
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At least this time round, our local lot seem to be focussing on what they will do rather than what the others won't do...last election I reached gibbering point as each candidate kept saying I should vote for them because the others were so awful...eventually, I felt like voting for the first candidate who clearly stated what he or she would do!!! I do wish they would give us credit for a little intelligence though...all this stuff promising lower taxes, more money for education, NHS whatever...but no one saying where it is going to come from. It's obvious that if you make payment increases in one area you have to make cuts in another, but they are all very quiet about that!!!
I'm not worried about the SNP...I've spent most of my life living in very rural English areas, and most political decisions seem to be made with an eye to the big cities anyway. So I'm not sure SNP getting a lot of power would make much difference to us.
If I have to choose between 'best' local candidate and 'best' party, I choose the individual every time...a local MP you can trust and respect and who will listen to your concerns is worth having. You can't do much to influence the overall party view, but you can make yourself heard to an individual.
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Bored of the election now.
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Me too, in fact been bored for weeks. Thing is it'll go on past election day. Zzzzz
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Bored or not, we are fortunate we live in a democratic country, we should embrace that and make our votes count, if not for us but for the next generation. Think of your kids, gran kids nieces and nephews etc what kind of future and opportunities do we want for them.
Regardless of who each of us votes for, on here most of us seem vocal and happy enough to contribute to topics on the forum therefore lets not waste another opportunity to tell the politicians how its going to be and what we want.
We are strong women who have an opportunity to make our voices heard.
Dont waste it.
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Well said Linsey44
And mindful of the determination and sacrifices our predecessors made, also very strong women.
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Rest assured I will be voting ladies. It is very, very important. It's just the constant bombardment of stuff on TV.
Locally there's been zilch. Usually get heaps of election flyers through the door.
My grandmother did much in her area to get women the vote, so know of the importance.
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Totally agree with the bombardment of coverage.
Have decided to switch off my telly..but not my vote!
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We've had a leaflet in letterbox today for a candidate whose surname is Conway - wonder how many votes he will get !
Hattie X
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I will vote but so far I have only decided who I will definitely not vote for.
At least it is keeping the attention away from Catherine and her imminent birth :-X
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Maybe she'll go into labour on election day. The TV channels would be beside themselves trying to follow both stories. ::)
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they would meet themselves coming back ;D
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Kate needs to give birth before 10pm on election day, while the news channels can't do election coverage!
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Although the SNP had a clean sweep up here they won't have the power that I initially feared. Nicola Sturgeon is one scary woman.
Honeybun
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NAAAAH ;) ………..
It'll all come out in the wash!
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Hi HB
Not sure if i think she is scarey, well maybe just the scarey eyebrows. Lol. got the feeling that salmond will be trying to pull the strings at westminster like the double act they, thought they were in the scottish parliament.
Its the devolution of tax powers that scares us most, we are prepared to leave scotland rather than pay more than what we do. During the pre election debates it irked us that "some people should pay more". Why!!! If already paying more than our share. Ive done the survey on bbc that confirmed we significantly pay far more into the system than we get back Also there are insufficient sysems on place for all the powers they want.
That said i dont think there will be another referendum on independence for some time yet.
Wont start ranting on a sat nt. enjoying a glass of wine.
Linseyx
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You surely get free health care, free education i.e. no Uni fees :-\ ………. how quickly can you see a GP in Scotland? sometimes we have to wait 3/4 weeks 'down here'.
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Although the SNP had a clean sweep up here they won't have the power that I initially feared. Nicola Sturgeon is one scary woman.
NS is fearsome beyond belief, scares the living ----s out of me, OH just starts gibbering
How come the SNP haven't got total power up by you?
Glad to hear it BTW
OH has just voiced a thought - He thinks David Cameron should implement Proportional Representation in Scotland to enable El Nicola to more completely realise the views of the Scottish population
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Well they do have power up here but if there had been a minority government the SNP would have caused havoc in Westminster.
I think they got 52% of the vote. I still don't think if we had another independence referendum next week the result would be any difference. Most Scots just want devo max like they were promised.
All we have had up here for what seems like years is politicians electioneering rather than getting on with running the country.
Perhaps now they will get on with the job in hand.
Yes CLKD we do have the things you mentioned but there are a lot fewer people up here than in your part of the world.
I don't think that the likes of Glasgow have any better than you do in the south. The rural areas fair better for a few things.
Honeybun
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:thankyou: …… nowt we can do now ::)
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NHS wise things are just as bad CLKD. Our local hospital has been in dire straits for some time. No A&E consultants for starters. Nobody can afford to live up here, houses go for ridiculous prices. One beside us went for £40,000 over asking price. Rents are exorbitant for private houses. Our daughter & partner would have to pay nearly 3 x the amount they pay now in England for similar sized house up here.
Yes we have free prescriptions, education, but that's about it.
I honestly doubt things will change much.
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I like to read posts from the ladies in scotland. There was a time a few years back that our son in law could have been posted to work in Scotland taking our daughter with him. I was so relieved when the posting didn't happen but I always think 'what would it have been like for them if there were there now'.
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Not all of Scotland is expensive housing wise, but certainly the 3 big cities are. Daughter & her partner used to live in outskirts of Dundee, house prices weren't quite so bad there. But that area is getting more popular now, as folk find themselves having to look further afield for affordable housing. No doubt prices there are rising accordingly.
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I guess it depends on which part of England your daughter lives too as to the difference in prices CG? I'm not sure whether we are in an expensive area - starter homes (tiny lounge with spiral staircase off it, galley kitchen, bedroom and bathroom) go for around £130,000 and two bedroomed terrace can be £200,000. My sons don't have a hope of getting on the housing ladder at the moment.
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Notts Taz. House prices there are about £150,000 for 3 bedroom terrace. Equivalent here is nearer £250,000. Bound to be more expensive areas in England. One postal code up here is unbelievable price wise. Of course it's the oil pushing up prices here. But with the downturn, prices will no doubt be affected.
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The coast always costs more. The area I am in has always had silly prices although they have been pegged back a bit. 12 miles down the coast has one of the worse records of unemployment and poverty. It's a very mixed county, big money and no money at all.
I agree about the 20 year old student. What on earth is she going to bring to somewhere like Paisley.....unemployment and poverty again.
I have a very bright 20 year old daughter......who is still very young in many ways and could contribute nothing to a job like that.
To be honest I think Basil Brush could have stood for the SNP.....and won :o
Honeybun
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Yes. I think it's all a result of Nicola's outstanding contribution to the TV debates. She's a very talented person and she convinced most of Scotland. As you say, Prajna, it's the SNP ticket that seems to have turned the tide.
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However, she's trying to put her views forwards and starting to tell 'us' down here what she expects! >:( … better to keep her Big G shut and quietly infiltrate her ideas once the media dust settles.
It depends down here what 1 pays for housing. The WORST thing the Government of the Day was to allow tenants to buy their Council Houses :bang: :bang: :bang: …….. leaving a huge gap for youngsters now unable to buy. DH and I grew up in Council housing until Dad had enough to put down on a deposit and had his own property built in the 1960s. When we eventually moved locals were able to have the Council house.
DH's parents never moved from Council accommodation. When his bro wanted to buy their property I put my foot down with a very firm hand and said 'no', remember what Council houses are for!!!
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Before you know where you are CLKD she will have Trident shipped south of the border.
She is not a lady to be messed with, that's why I think she is scary.
Mind you I think she will have trouble controlling Salmond. I predict fireworks
Honeybun
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She'll have to get the votes down here first - and I have no problem with Tridant ;)
Interesting times ahead, history in the making :o ;D
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No problems in general, or no problems as long as it stays up here ;D
Honeybun
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No problems …… it is what it is ::) - however :-X
Where will the 'camp' move to ………. ;)
Will we require a Passport in future to visit North of the Border :whist:
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Will we require a Passport in future to visit North of the Border :whist:
And that's another thing.....................
If Elle Sturgeon and the SNP do declare UDI for Scotland
Will passports be required for Scots to come south of the border?
It all seems a bit daft.
Also, would the UK still be part of the EEC?
It wouldn't be the UK. Legally, surely it must be a different thing.
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The UK Government will not sanction another referendum in the next five years anyway.
So no passports will be required.
Salmond and his bunch of numpties told the 16 yr olds that voted it was a once in a lifetime opportunity .....so.....maybe in 60 years or so.
I will be long gone by that time which is probably a good thing as I hate bubble wrap ::)
Honeybun
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Until the UK as it stands has a Referendum to stay in or come out of Europe, we remain 'in'. Scotland remains part of the UK so they will be included in a vote. I really can't make up my mind about that at all.
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I think vote up here was a protest. However, let's see how things pan out over the coming months/years.
I signed petition for PR. Let's hope one day it comes into being & that we are better represented.
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I think vote up here was a protest. However, let's see how things pan out over the coming months/years.
i find what we have now all quite scary - can't see that there will ever be a change in our constituency now due to boundary changes before 2010 and sometimes you need a change.
My husband keeps saying Putin is watching us re Scotland.
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Think you're right CG - PR would be so much fairer.
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Yes, I think there was a protest element, but it seems as though NS also made a huge impact in the TV debates.