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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: Hattie on January 03, 2015, 12:08:35 PM
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Heading in our free information magazine about learning courses for the spring.
'Upskill -find a new direction'
Upskill !
new one on me
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Such an ugly word.
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Upskill lol new for me too. Had to check it!
Obviously someone thought they were smart when deciding headline
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Up-cycling? there are many management-talk words around these days ::)
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Is it related to 'upchuck'.!!!!!!
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That's an oldie, used State-side ………. ;)
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My absolute pet hate as far as new words go, is, "I was like" meaning - I said, I thought, I whispered, I shouted, I wondered - I generally expressed, verbally! I can't stand it and it drives me mad!!!!! ::)
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your for 'you are' instead of you're ::)
teens seem to hinge on like, certain phrases, I'm sure we did too but I don't remember any, like
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Is it related to 'upchuck'.!!!!!!
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'Regifting' - is a word i've taken to ! - just got to remember to take the original giver's label off !
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We have re-gifted for the last 60 years ::) ………. at the big family gatherings Mum would make note of everything given and some things would go round the family several times, no charity shops then.
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Not much got past your mum then CLKD - We've always shared things amongst family over the years but not exactly rewrapped stuff as gifts !
I have given the odd unwanted gifts still tagged as a present though.
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Oh Mum kept the wrapping paper too, ironed each year until it became used to wrap 'Santa's' gifts with ::) - some shiny brightly coloured paper went round the family for over 15 years ….. so the Aunts must have kept paper as well.
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A phrase I particularly hate is "going forward" (it just means "in the future"). I hate any phrase or word that people use because they think it makes them sound important.
"Skillset" (What's wrong with "skills"?)
"Mindset" (I don't even know what that means.)
And using "challenging" instead of "difficult"...
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It's seems to be often used by scientists, economists etc or other experts in their field sparkle - and hadn't realised it had become quite so widespread. I think on the media those using it try to sound authoritative ie "I've done a lot of background work and reading to enable me to answer this question and therefore you need to take notice of what I say". I'm not knocking all those people who are give their opinion but the "so.." bit does sound daft!
One of my pet hates is "Awwwwwww" - that is the frst and last time I will ever write it! It is only ever written and I'm not sure what it's supposed to mean. It's never said, is it, and seems to be a product of social media maybe? I mean when you see a cute creature or fluffy animal you would say "aaah". If you're feeling sympathetic towards someone you would sympathise or maybe say "there, there" (well I still do to my children!). I don't know where it comes from but I absoutely hate it! Not sure why it evokes such a strong reaction :-\
Wrapping paper - good on your mum CLKD - not sure about the ironing though? I've always kept the big bits of wrapping paper and cut them into squares ready for all the stocking presents for next year. Also make gift tags out of old cards. It does save a small amount of resources....
Hurdity x
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Sorry - I say "Awwww" as in "Awww - that's lovely" or "Aww you really shouldn't have" :-* but it's been around since the early 2000s. Maybe it's a regional thing?
Taz x ;D
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Could be a bit Welsh this awwww ………. ;)
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Haha! No need to apologise!!!
I completely understand and often hear the sentiment you describe Taz and use it myself, but would spell the sound people make when they say it as "ohhhh" or "aaah" - it's the multiple ww thing (can't write it!) that irrationally gives me the heeby-jeebies when written down. It makes me imagine someone with their lips protruding saying "or" in a hard way, whereas in reality it's a gentle appreciative exclamation or sentiment!
How's that for pedantry and trivial nonsense?! ;D
Hurdity :)
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Someone's voice going up at the end of a sentence, to make it sound like a question, when it's not, and people ending a written sentence with a question mark when they should use a full stop, also drive me dippy.....................!!!! ::) ::) (I hope nobody minds me saying this....)
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And "heads-up"!
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I find that people 'in authority' tend to do this :(
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It's termed "upspeak" which may be another new word that gets to some of us... Strange that we think of it as American in origin but it appears to have started early in the nineteenth century in Northern England, Scotland and Ireland http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-04-24/upspeaks-use-by-smart-men-and-women-and-what-it-means
Taz x
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We could almost make up our own 'up' word - wonder if one would catch on.
upthink ?
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I can't stand the "yeah" and "innit" at the end of every sentence that some young people say, I guess I'm getting old ;)
Libby
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Someone's voice going up at the end of a sentence, to make it sound like a question, when it's not, and people ending a written sentence with a question mark when they should use a full stop,
Oh hell, yes! It sounds so patronising - like they're asking if you understand them. For some reason, I find the question mark even more annoying.
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It's termed "upspeak" which may be another new word that gets to some of us... Taz x
Eek!
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I hate when people say "I can't wait to ……. go on holiday, see a new Film, buy a new pair of shoes" - well you'll *have* to wait ;D ……… unless you have powers the rest of us lack ::)
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Hi everyone and Happy New Year to you all.
I spent some time up in Lincolnshire over Christmas and on the local news they kept referring to a road and when they were going to be 'dualing' it. I assume they mean turning it into a dual carriageway but that was a new verb to me, rather like the verbs that were used to 'medal' and 'podium' during the Olympics.
I also hate the way people turn a statement into a sentence, whenever we have temps in the office from Australia they always do it or young people who come back from travelling....drives me crazy!
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Welcome Judith57 ……..
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Thankfully, I haven't heard it much recently, but I couldn't stand hearing Christmas referred to as Crimbo.
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I like Christmas written out fully, not Xmas ;)
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I absolutely agree, CLKD. We're not remembering the birth of "X".............
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I do put Ch.mas when in a hurry though :-[ …….
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Well.........
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OK another pet hate - the way everyone now says the year without the "and" like in US.
ie 2009 - English is said "two thousand and nine" but people now say "two thousand nine"
or the date eg 12/2 - saying "Twelve February" instead of "the twelfth of February"!!! They do this a lot of the time on the news and my youngest son has taken to missing out these words too and other young people do it.
Also " A couple tablets" instead of "a couple of tablets".
Apologies for this sounding so petty but it really annoys me!!!! I know this is trivial but I do get cross at things that really matter too!
Not new words but new phrases....
Hurdity x :)
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I hate when people say "I'm away for 3 week" should it not be weeks?
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math instead of maths? ::)
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It's termed "upspeak"
I thought it was "upward inflection".
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It is an upward inflection but the term is either "upspeak" or "uptalk" apparently!
Taz x
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Either way is acceptable CLKD
http://grammarist.com/spelling/math-maths/
Math and maths are equally acceptable abbreviations of mathematics. The only difference is that math is preferred in the U.S. and Canada, and maths is preferred in the U.K., Australia, and most other English-speaking areas of the world.
Neither abbreviation is correct or incorrect. You may hear arguments for one being superior to the other, and there are logical cases for both sides. One could argue maths is better because mathematics ends in s, and one could argue math is better because mathematics is just a mass noun that happens to end in s. In any case, English usage is rarely guided by logic, and these usage idiosyncrasies are often arbitrary. If you were raised in a part of the world where people say maths, then maths is correct for you, and the same is of course true of math. Don't listen to anyone who says otherwise.
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;D …….. it's usually math state-side ::)
I thought of another in the early hours but of course, can't remember now …….
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We have a Manager at work who talks in 'Management Speak' all the time: low-hanging fruit, thinking outside the box, waking up and smelling the coffee etc. Drives me mad.
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:rofl: when I hear MPs doing the same Judith57 I scream 'for goodness sake talk normal!!!' ::) I don't want flannel I want short sharp sentences that tell me something - even if I don't agree with the sentiment.
It'll get worse - we're onto the Election Trail now :o
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Not exactly what we're discussing but this is an interesting article on mispronouncing some words and how it's affected the language: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/11/pronunciation-errors-english-language?CMP=ema_1364 (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/11/pronunciation-errors-english-language?CMP=ema_1364)
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Re mispronunciation:
I'm not sure whether it should be inCOMparable or incomPARable....
Also people tend to say 'seccaterry' for secretary...and chimley for chimney :)
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Oh now you've got me started!
Burgalry
Nucular
Shouldn't of
Wundering around
I was just wandering (instead of wondering)
Aks instead of ask
Libary
Tenderhooks
Oh I could go on ;D
Ariadne xx
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Ha! Good one Ariadne :rofl:
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The popular sayings of "I'm not being funny, but..." or "to be perfectly honest" both of these drive me mad ::) (http://::))
oh my Christmas hats have come back, what happened there? ??? (http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php???)
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It's not been that long since I stopped say pissgetti
(Spaghetti )
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Ladies, how I've laughed at this topic. ;D
Can't think of any to add for the moment.
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Hubby reminded me of another one this morning - the oh-so-corporate-pop-speak "big ask"! "Ask" is a verb, not a noun!! Drives me up the wall and down again!
Then again, we've been able to have our "say" on things for years....................
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I hate "big ask" - it sounds like something a child would say.
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Not exactly what we're discussing but this is an interesting article on mispronouncing some words and how it's affected the language: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/11/pronunciation-errors-english-language?CMP=ema_1364 (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/11/pronunciation-errors-english-language?CMP=ema_1364)
Fascinating!
Hurdity x
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shouldn't of :poke2: ……….. someone I knew in the 1990s used this a lot >:(
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I sometimes think people hear words differently. For example, my husband mispronounces a few words and it doesnt matter how many times I correct him :ange:, he still does it .
He says Donald Sutterland instead of Sutherland
He says he was an apprentist
He had a Ford Angular
We have a friend who he says lives in Buxom, Derbyshire
Sigh ;)
Ariadne xx
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Oh, that "upward inflection" drives me crazy, and it seems to be getting more common. Also the 'yeah' at the end of a sentence almost forcing you to nod along or confirm you agree - grrr!
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Oh thought of one that drives me crackers. Boarders for Borders. Daughter is dreadful for that one, every time I would correct her she said I was wrong. ERM NO!. Scottish Borders do not have an 'a" in the middle!
There got that off my ample chest! ;D
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My hubby pronounces drawing as drawring.....my son does that too.
The one that really annoys me...hubby says as an expletive when he is trying to be polite.....Gordon Bennett....he is a Londoner.
My son has grown up with this but has heard it as Golden Bennett, so that's what he says.
It's London meets Scottish and it makes for a strange accent. There are very few people can place my kids accent as they have grown up with such a mix of accents and given the fact my dad was from Manchester I have a few strange ones going on my self. ;D
Honeyb
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My Scottish daughter is misunderstood in England. ;D She has to try & speak in local dialect sometimes & has her work colleagues wetting themselves laughing.
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Ditto ours, CG. The only difference is that she makes us laugh with her impressions of how people around her speak! ;D
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Re Words - Not a new word but something that irritates me.
Oversight - when I was a girl meant an omission, something left out.
Now it seems to be used to imply a wider, overall, view or sight.
I know both are correct according to the dictionary but I have a hard time getting my head around the latter ::)
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I always thought a wider overall view or sight was an overview...........
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Ditto Dulciana. I often wonder if some people mishear phrases or misunderstand their meaning & use incorrectly. They then become so common place.
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Dulciana & Cubagirl
I too thought overview was the wider view of things.
You have cheered me up.
I thought I was losing it.
I wonder if the dictionary definition has always included the overview aspect of the word or has it evolved to include the (incorrect) way the word has been used?
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Apparently, if something is dscribed as " sick. " nowadays, it means its brilliant!
My grandson aged 12!
Ariadne xx
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I blame Michael Jackson, when BAD meant good! :)
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'Innit' What's that all about? :-\
Hear it a lot on Eastenders.
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Adding 'then' for no reason eg 'see you later, then' really gets me going. As does 'give it me'. Don't know if it's a regional thing, or nationwide?
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I was made fun of at one school I went to because I said bus instead of Boos ::)
I have no accent, kids can be cruel.
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Adding 'then' for no reason eg 'see you later, then' really gets me going. As does 'give it me'. Don't know if it's a regional thing, or nationwide?
Ooh Briony - I find the "see you later" perplexing.
Especially when it's from somebody you know full well you'll not see them any time soon, if ever in fact
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Bamburgh pronounced 'Bambrugh' :bang: :bang: :bang: Julia Bradbury did it last night I could have kicked her :-X
Althorp is another 'Althropp' but it has been decided in recent years to pronounce as is writ !
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What was worse for me was when I tried to copy how the kids spoke I got in trouble at home :-\
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One of the girls who works for me is Iranian but her husband has an Iranian father and a Scottish mother and he grew up in Glasgow. She met her husband in Iran and couldn't speak any English when she arrived over here. She has a lovely Iranian accent but every so often she comes over all 'och aye the noo' (sp) :) and says something with a really strong Glaswegian accent - the first time she did it I was in hysterics. :)
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My husband hates the " see you later" often used by younger shop assistants too. He always says "Why, are you coming round my house?"
He also gets riled by us being addressed as "guys" by younger waiting staff in restaurants. He rants about it every time!
And he hates Tess Daly saying "Wow" after every performance - takes the mickey every time, he does!
I've told him its very ageing to be constantly moaning about any and everything all the time :ange:
Mind you, I need to listen to my own advice ;)
Ariadne xx
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Oooh just thought of one that really gets to me...
When shop assistants say 'anythink else?' :-\
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Following on somne earlier posts.....more words that people muddle up incorrectly:
Infer and Imply - no-one seems to know the difference (lots of people use infer when they mean imply
Procrastinate and prevaricate - even fewer seem to know the difference.... (lots of people use prevaricate when they mean procrastinate)
If they continue to be used in the way they are then perhaps the everyday meaning will change which would be bizarre.
I probably sound like a complete pedant but I put it down to my father who was initially a language teacher, and also my old-fashioned 1960's primary schooling (and at seconrday school) when correct spelling and grammar were very much part of English lessons! :)
Hurdity x
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I think our parents probably felt the way we now feel. In fact every generation will feel the same. The more commonly used words are now in the Oxford, so that means they are here to stay no matter what we think of them.
A lot is regional. There will be a lot of phrases in my part of the world that are never uttered in the south. In fact Hurdity picked up on one recently when I referred to a take away Chinese meal as a carry out. Not what they say in the South it would seem.
I'm 35 miles or so from Glasgow and how they speak there is totally different from our coastal accent. To be honest neither is particularly pretty. In fact it grates on me. I was brought up to speak without a regional accent and have done the same with my children
Mispronunciation is a funny one. I have to think before I say car park or it comes out as par cark.
My son could never say binoculars....it was always just a bit different and now I can't say the correct word without a great deal of thought ;D
Honeyb
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Oh my mum hated the accent in Paisley/Glasgow with a passion! She was always on at me to speak nicely. My brother managed fine, but somehow I fell by the wayside. Not horrendously, but if I'd spoken the way my mum wanted I would suffered even worse bullying. My brother, being 10 years older, was past that stage at school & had started working.
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My sister was sent for elocution lessons to learn to speak properly. I was sent for singing lessons for the same reasons. And yes I did get bullied at school because I was seen as a posh girl.
Yeh right ;D....I lived in a council house...not exactly posh ;D
Glad my dad was so picky though as my kids have a Scottish accent but not a regional one which around here is .....ummm....horrible.
Honeyb
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If on the phone, my mum would have an ear to the door just waiting to trip me up afterwards. Not so much with friends, but official calls. To this day I find myself putting on my posh voice when making official phone calls. ;D
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You and me HB, it was only the civilian schools I went to where I was called that, I went to so many schools that it seemed I was always starting over and the dreaded "making friends" once I had though I was leaving and off to another school.
My mother made all my clothes and I was always dressed very well (talking about primary schools) that on top of speaking differently and having a completely different kind of life it did get difficult sometimes.
I was naturally friendly but a little shy not suprising though.
Service schools were completely different and I thrived there.
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Forgive my ignorance SL but what is a service school please?
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Not at all purplenanny :-*
Service schools is an umbrella name for kids who fathers were in the, Army, Navy Or Air Force, I was an Air force Brat (Military slang)
http://williamsburgmilitaryinsider.com/2011/04/14/military-brat-do-you-know-the-true-meaning/
As we spent a lot of time posted overseas, I went to school on the airbase.
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Thanks silverlady , very interesting x x
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Words that people use incorrectly: enormity. It doesn't mean "very big", it means "great wickedness".
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I wonder if predictive text is contributing to the change of meaning for words. I've received a few not corrected so the sender is not bothered.
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Oh that happens on here ::) - seems to change between my typing and pushing 'go', when I next look the word has altered :(
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At least you know the difference CLKD - youngsters learning might not.
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It is SO annoying :D ........... I'm a proof reader and it so annoys me :-X
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I have to confess that I correct old posts of mine if I notice a mistake later (not just on here, every forum I'm on!),
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You and me Tabbycat ;D
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Yep ;D
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And ironically, I just had to correct the post where I said I corrected posts with mistakes. ;D
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……. ;D I wasn't going to mention it ::)
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Me too, I have just corrected one of my posts. Some of the mistakes caused by predictive text messaging are very funny. I sent a jokey reply to a friend of mine once who had sent me a text telling me about the great day he had had at the races. The message I sent was 'You Jimmy Mustard'. I'll leave you to guess what I meant to say... ;)
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;D ;D ;D Love it!
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Oh that reminds me of when hubby asked me to type him a list of some CDs and Artist names. When I'd finished, Word ran a spellcheck. It wasn't until I gave it to hubby that we noticed the following artists
Urethra Franklin and Al Diarrhoea! (Aretha Franklin and Al Jarreau)
Ariadne xx
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Oh that's lovely Ariadne. On one of my posts on here last night I was just about to press 'post' when I noticed 'suggestions' had come up as 'ugliest icons'. I had obviously typed a wrong letter somewhere :)
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I know this topic is a bit out-of-date but someone on TV has just said, "The thing-is, is that......" Will someone please explain to me what a "thing-is" is??? Why can't people just say, "The thing is that such-and-such........"
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Oh don't get me started on the media ::) …….. mix-quotes, laziness with descriptions …...
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The thing is, CLKD ( ::) !) - it's not just the media that say this and it really annoys me!
I had a colleague once, who came to work by bus. On one such journey, there was a couple of 20-somethings on the seat in front of her. She said they talked a lot, fine, but that it went mainly along the lines of "I was like.......this", "I was like.........that", "I was like............really?", "I was like..............that's right!", "I was like............did he?", "I was like...........I know!" and on and on. My poor colleague just looked so, so puzzled and asked us all, "But what does it all mean????" :-\ :-\
I sympathised. :)
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We understand the rationale though? I often wonder why we say so many words when 1 or 2 will do ;D and why do things have more than one 'name' - would make crosswords boring though ……….
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No rationale, CLKD - just laziness at the expense of a very rich language. Can you imagine if Shakespeare's plays were like that? He'd never have got off the ground! :-\
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Probably a good thing :-X ………….
Language evolves Dulciana - it is what it is ::).
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It seems more like dumbing down to me..............
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"Safe haven" gets to me and earlier [today] I found myself saying to Himself, 'you walk ahead, I'll follow behind' ::) …….
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I find myself constantly correcting TV presenters...I'm always saying 'ly' when someone says, for example, 'they did it very quick'. I shout out 'quickly'. I had the same conversation at the weekend about language evolving CLKD we wouldn't say now for example 'Never a lender or a borrower be'. I am always surprised listening to news footage from as recently as the 80's how dated it sounds...
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The word I hate is 'modernising' meaning reducing jobs within institutions and companies. Words like this are insulting to those who lose their jobs and those who retain their jobs, but find their workload doubled.
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Oh Judith - I do that too!! And add the 's' to the end of plurals (pound is often used where it should be pounds - drives me nuts!).
On top of being wound up by 'should of', would of', etc, and the misuse of apostrophes, my other hate is tautologies! For example - ATM machine (automatic teller machine machine), PIN number (personal identification number number), and the one they seem to use often in documentaries (when I really feel they should get it right!) - 'a myriad of'!!! Since 'myriad' means 'a lot of', saying 'a myriad of' means 'a a lot of of'!!!
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Myriad is an interesting one. It started off as a noun but then, due to being used in poetry, became an adjective as well. Both uses are correct apparently. This came up recently in a year 6 English lesson and I was surprised that "A myriad of" was correct.
Taz x
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I proof read newspapers and magazines too ……… I really don't know why Editors are employed :bang: :bang: :bang: - of course, I can't remember an incident right now …….