Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => Other Health Discussion => Topic started by: honeybun on December 27, 2014, 10:54:46 AM
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Does this happen to anyone else.
When I am out of my normal routines I don't eat that much and by the time I have fed everyone else I am too tired to eat much myself. I have loads of chocolate around and have not eaten one sweet thing for days now.
Got on the scales this morning and have dropped 3lbs.
I'm the same when I go on holiday....always loose weight.
I think anxiety just doesn't help either. Difficult to eat when your tummy is in knots all the time.
Honeyb
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Yes! :)
Is keeping weight on a problem? It can be as big a problem as losing weight. I wouldn't have believed this a year ago!
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It can be a bit. When anxiety is really bad I loose weight at an alarming rate.When we moved house and mother broke her hip four years ago I dropped a stone in a month so I guess it's not unusual.
I'm not over weight so have to be careful and the gaunt look is not great. I'm 5ft 1 and now 8st 6 this morning so getting just a bit on the thin side.
I know lots of people comfort eat but I'm the exact opposite. Just don't feel hungry at all.
Honeyb
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I struggled to eat yesterday, but I will welcome any resulting weight loss. Got lots of nice chocolate that I can eat, but little or no interest at the moment. Diet, proper starts again in January.
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Yes I always lose a bit of weight over Christmas. I put it down to all of the rushing around I do in the weeks beforehand. Present buying and wrapping. More housework. Making up spare beds. Food shopping for all of the extra bits so that everyone has the things they want to eat. Lack of sleep too and then, on the day, again not eating much as everyone else because I'm so busy making sure everyone has a lovely time. Didn't you have an evening in the loo with a stomach upset though Honeyb? 3lbs isn't much really.
I'm almost 4ft 11 and weigh eight and a half at the minute which doc says is a tad overweight but I think I'm still getting over the hyster. I would get yourself checked out after Christmas as you have had stomach pain recently and although you do have diverticular disease it's good to make sure that everything is ok. You have also had extra worries don't forget. You do such a lot for others but make that appointment and make sure that you are ok.
Taz x :hug:
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Yes a very strange half hour in the loo ::).
I feel fine though. Just get stressed and with all the running around and the butterfly tummy sensation there seems to be no room for much food. Hopefully back to normal soon, whatever that is these days.
I'm not worried about it because it has happened the same way for years.
Nice to know it's not just me being weird. Well I'm always a bit weird, but no weirder than normal ;D
Honeyb
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I'm 5ft 7in and weigh just under 8 stone at the moment and that with nibbling at naughty stuff. I don't think I look gaunt, though not looking my best at the moment. At the beginning of the year I weighed 2 st more and there was never any intention to lose that much. PS Being weird is the new norm, HB! ;D
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5ft 1" and I weight 8stone 2lb. Even when anorexic I reached a stable weight of between 5st and 6st 11lb. It's the dashing around, not eating at the usual times ……and eating different foods means we get filled up differently.
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I'm overweight at 5ft 3in. I was given a target of 10 stones for my height, some time ago. Never managed yet. I would have to eat rabbit food 24/7 to manage that. Lost 2 stones last year, but have put on about 8lbs since then. So diet restarts after festive period.
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If weird is the new normal then I'm very very normal ;D
I have had weight problems and eating issues since childhood. I was, according to my mother, a very difficult child to feed. Both of my children were the same.
Funny thing though is I chose cooking for a career. That was when I was at my lightest. I do like nice food and have a reasonable appetite normally, it's just when stressed I just don't eat much at all.
Still back to normal soon I hope.
Honeyb
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I avoided food - even going into the kitchen made me queasy :-\ ……….. which is why DH does the cooking. All that food preparation for a few moments face stuffing ;D
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I don't think I have particular issues with food, though food was issue between me and mum. It was eat up everything and be grateful. I had a more relaxed attitude as does my daughter. The only rule was if you don't want your dinner, then you don't need a pudding. Mum recently apologised and said she should have trusted me to know whether I was full or not. But then as far as I can gather she her family experienced financial hardship during her early years. I would think that would have influenced her attitude to food.
And HB, the weirder you become the better! It's good to be different! And fun!
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Oh what's it about eating firsts first …….. ::) why not have a pud first ……..
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Honeybun your choice of career is not strange. I know two women with severe eating issues (morbidly anorexic) one is a nutritionist for the local health authority and the other a chef in a fancy restaurant. They both are regularly hospitalised due to their worsening health and the thing they most want to do when this happens is get back to cooking and advising others.
When I met my husband in 1975 I weighed 6stone - looking at photos I wasn't thin just tiny somehow. Funny how it sort of gathers in different parts of the body without you noticing!! I'm not sure how the doc worked it out now as she said they are not doing the BMI thing anymore but at 5ft it came out at seven and a half stone but she reckoned anything under eight for me would be good.
Taz x
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Chocolate for breakfast? ;D.......I have had some chocolate today and it doesn't make me feel ill......oh dear..........time to make up for lost chocolate years......have I self control.......
When I had multiple food intolerances it helped to cook things that I couldn't eat for others. Weird. It seemed to satisfy a need. Is it the same with anorexia sufferers?
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I suppose it might be Ju Ju. These women have families, but have now both divorced as it is so difficult to live with someone who is starving themselves to death and after their children had grown up their respective husbands wanted to begin a real life. They fed their children brilliantly but have never managed to sit down for a meal with them. I wonder where they get their energy from!!
Taz x
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Adrenaline and the fact that we the body doesn't require as much input as we all believe. It does depend on why people are anorexic - mine is due to emitophobia …….. but for others it is about being in control. Or getting back at others. Interesting that they have children Taz, my periods never stopped even when I went down to 5st 2 at C.mas 1971. In fact my periods were heavy, long, painful.
It is harder for the person looking on …….. DH told me early on that he was born to take care of me and make sure that I eat properly. But when anorexia strikes I can't face thinking about food or eating :-X - whereas my body is screaming out because it is hungry. But I don't recognise hunger from vomiting. :'(
Knowing why I can't eat doesn't help. Knwoing that I have come through the other side each time doesn't help. Once my stomach feels sick and my throat closes up …… can't. It isn't a case of won't. Can't. What I can't abide is people telling me 'you must eat' ……….. why? I know that eventually I will begin to eat but the more they keep on :-\ ……. echoing what my brain is already saying ::)
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I have never been anorexic. Don't think I even have anorexic tendencies. I just don't eat much. I'm inclined to stick to a certain routine when it comes to food. Never really deviate away from those routines either.
Actually this is quite interesting thinking about why I am how I am. I think having had stomach problems over the years I have found a way of eating that generally works for me. Not always though. I don't snack. Ever. I see people in cafes having a big slice of cake and think it looks lovely. I have a cup of tea and that's it. Nothing to do with my weight and everything to do with my routine.
Maybe it's an obsessive compulsive thing and I remain in control.
As I said, just a bit weird to be honest. My kids have a great attitude to food and when they were young we all sat down to dinner together. They happily graze but I just don't.
Honeyb
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Maybe you are simply attuned to your body?
I have never found it a hardship avoiding the foods that made me ill or being around people eating things I couldn't eat. It was harder for them. Though it has been frustrating when on holiday, trying to find something to eat. I'm all at sea now as I don't really know what I can and cannot eat now, as the food intolerances seem to be receding a bit, for example, I couldn't eat wheat in any form at all for years, but can tolerate it in biscuits but not in bread. Weird.
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My sister says it's difficult re learning how and what to eat after her gall bladder op. She still has a very few problems but they tend to be pretty random. One week she can eat something and the next week she can't.
Think it just takes time to settle.
Honeyb
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I can't abide being around food when queasy. Have no problems avoiding cafes etc. these days, don't justify myself any more.
I have always carried dry biscuits, packets of Kellogs [individual ones] which can be eaten dry, bananas etc. …………. bottles of Bovril to make hot drinks with ……….
DH needs to lose 2 stone again :-X
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I do find food difficult. It's the time it takes to shop for it, prepare it, eat it and then clear up after cooking it etc. I've always seen it as a fuel and not something that I really enjoy although I cooked really well for my children when they were young. My mum always said that if I could have a pill twice a day to give me all the nutrition I needed then she was sure I would do that. I do think I'm missing out on something as so many of my friends spend so much time talking about and then preparing and eating food. The holiday programmes seem to be based around restaurants and food too which just doesn't interest me and I never really feel hungry either.
Taz x
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I didn't regcosnise hunger for years. I lived with feeling slightly light-headed with intense nausea since the age of 3 - if I said I was hungry or didn't' have a day when I didn't feel sick, it was ticked on our calendar :-\ - I still have 'safe' foods and DH never complains when he cooks the same foods night after night after ……….. :-*
From age 5 I wished there was a pill to swallow which would provide everything I require nutritionally. Think how much time we would save talking about diets, whether clothes fit/not; what would we do without having to think about, prepare and serve food and it would be one less room and equipment to clean ;)
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It was eat up everything and be grateful. I had a more relaxed attitude as does my daughter. The only rule was if you don't want your dinner, then you don't need a pudding.
Sounds very familiar. My mum was similar. Also didn't accept it when I really didn't like something. I had to eat it, end of!
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I clearly remember my mother reading me stories and feeding me with a spoon at the same time. I think I was another that was force fed as it didn't do to waste food.
We always had dinner midday as my dad worked nights. I simply wasn't hungry but was made to eat and told I was going to be late back to school as I was a home lunch. That made me panic and then feel sick.
I also remember telling my mum I didn't feel well and her ignoring me and sending me on a brownie bus trip to the zoo. I was sick a mile out of town and then again every half hour after. Some young woman knocked me sideways with travel meds. I lay on a blanket at the zoo on my own with a plastic bag. I was 9. Now go figure why I have a sickness phobia. My mother was preparing for my sisters wedding. I have never forgiven her for that. She had to carry me home from the bus.
Not a happy memory at all. She could never figure out why I was scared of being sick to the point of fainting until I told her when I was in my 20s
Honeyb
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Must have been way that generation were brought up, I fear. From age of 7 to 9 I was bullied. I tried every trick in the book to avoid going to school too early. I got thrashed on a daily basis by my mother & my grandmother called me evil. Somehow I knew if I told my mother I was being bullied, it would make things worse at school, so stayed schtum until I was in my 20's.
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What did I eat on boxing day?
At 11am - 1 choc chip biscuit when I left OH at A&E (left the other one for him)
Baked Pork Steaks & heated a Waitrose pasta thing in the evening - OH eat his pasta left his pork, mind you it was tough, left most of mine
Today
Bowl of chopped apple & pear & a glass of orange juice
Lunch - 4 buttered poppy & sesame seed crackers, 1 mug camomile & spearmint tea
Tea/Dinner - 1 pot of Actimel, 3 buttered poppy & sesame seed crackers, 2 mugs camomile & spearmint tea
Just aint hungry - got to eat more tomorrow - Never had a problem with eating before :'(
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It's anxiety Limpy. There is no room for food when the butterfly's take over. I think it's pretty normal to be honest. I find just something little helps even if it's just what you have been having.
Just a little something will keep you going.
I hope you both have a peaceful and uneventful night.
Take care
Honeyb
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At times like these, just eat what you can. Take healthy odds and ends for snacks with you tomorrow, so you have something to sustain you. It's not easy to get what you need or fancy when visiting hospital. Take care of yourself as much as you can.
I sat and looked at a table of beautifully prepared food this evening and didn't want any of it. Hubby toasted a couple of slices of my homemade spelt and rye bread when we got home as that was all I wanted. Still can't tolerate normal wheat bread, but this is really nice.
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Little & often when your Tums like that Limpy. Not surprising considering everything that's happening at the moment. Your stomach will be in knots with anxiety. Heathy snack bars or similar will keep you going meantime.
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It will be interesting to see if there is any change in my digestive issues. I tried to get some advice about dealing with constipation following the op from the surgeon, but he spoke over me before I'd even finished asking and just said if I had constipation, it had nothing to do with g/s. (Since heard he's not liked, not surprised!)
I understand that organs in the body do not work independently and in isolation. If you have problems in one area, there will be effects elsewhere. That's why if you have emotional issues, it will affect you physically as well. Alternative health practitioners look at the body holistically, yet medical doctors tend to specialise and have little knowledge beyond that speciality. If they can't find anything from whatever tests they do, you are cast adrift or as in my case last year, start talking about vague conditions like CFS. (Stands for something's going on but I haven't got a clue!)
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Yes I have noticed how low I get when I have a bad IBS episode. While an alternative therapist explained about serotonin production in the gut being affected, the GP was ready to push ADs. When things improve physically, my mood will improve. Just knowing my low mood is actually a physical symptom and temporary helps me ride it out. ADs have side effects and I believe inappropriate in my case.