Menopause Matters Forum
Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: jedigirl on December 06, 2014, 09:45:28 AM
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Hi all, I'm newish to the forum so not sure if I'm posting in the right place? Am wondering if anyone else struggles with stomach churning anxiety in the morning? Mine can last till teatime some days and its horrible. Usually it goes in the evening and i wonder what it was all about but no matter how calm and normal i am when i go to bed it's always there when i wake up. I dread it.I am currently on Femoston 2/10 after switching from lower dose so think that has thrown things a bit and take 50mg Sertreline. Any fellow sufferers?
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Absolutely Cubagirl...I had this too...try n get some exercise and get on with your day...\i also take supplements vitb6, b12, magnesium, calcium, vitd d and multivitamin, all of which seem to have helped, but otherr ladies will probably have other suggestions...I am not on hrt at the moment but have been referred to a meno clinic hopefully and hopefully get an appointment soon...take care and hopefully your day gets better ;D XXX
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Thank you, am taking Feroglobin but don't think it has all those vitamins in. Thanks for reply xxx ;)
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Hi Jedigirl,
Morning anxiety is horrible, I am suffering with it too. By the evening, it has gone and then you wake up to that horrible feeling.
I also take Sertraline and hrt. Xx
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It's pants isn't it Bracken willowshimmer. I am struggling to shop for Christmas, work is difficult, wish there was an answer. Am hoping it settles when I've been on meds a bit longer. Thanks for chat xxx ;)
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Oh yes me too and I've been on HRT for years.
No reason for it I'm afraid. Just seems to be another lovely meno symptom.
Honeyb
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Oh no honeybun! Was hoping hrt might ease it :-\ everything seems a struggle at the moment and Christmas not helping. Ah well, might stick a meditation on for a bit then get on with it all again ::)
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It does help a lot of women I think. I just don't happen to be one of them.
My anxiety did not start until I had been on HRT for two years. No rhyme nor reason for it.
I can only think I would be worse without it though so you may see some improvements.
It's not always as bad as it was initially though, either that or I just deal with it better.
My anxiety I think was triggered by stress that was on going for a long period of time.
From what I have read anxiety is a learned thing. Your brain becomes used to being in fight or flight mode and then that becomes the norm.
What I tell myself is not once have these feelings of panic hurt me or caused me to faint or be sick. It's just a feeling so rather than trying to fight it I accept it and try and move on.
You might find the No More Panic website helpful and books by Dr Clair Weekes explain it very well.
Sorry a bit of a ramble there.
Honeyb
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Me too, not on HRT but take 10mgs of citalopram daily. It has worked great with the hot sweats and general daytime anxiety but still get hot at night and wake up with stomach churning for no reason. It does tend to go once up, dressed and breakfasted but sometimes comes back late afternoon - again with no reason? It must be something to do with the release of certain hormones during the cycle the body goes through over24 hours I suppose just wish it would all settle down! Never thought of myself as an anxious person until menopause.
Take care all and have a stress free day.☺
Thorntrees
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Honeybun, i like your thought process there. I do find the more i dwell on it the worse it gets and i end up feeling terrible. I'm also expecting it every day now so probably fuelling it!
Thorntrees, I think you're right that certain times of day cause different hormone fluctuations. It is exhausting isnt it? Every night when i feel fine i tell myself I'm not having that again tomorrow, there's no need ,then lo and behold it comes back ::) Thanks for chats xxx
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My anxiety started a feed months after starting HRT for 3 months so stopped that one for a while then moved on to another kind. I don't know if it was my hormones causing it or like HB as s famy we had just been through the most horrible time so can't say. You do learn to go with it you just have to remember it won't harm you and cherish those around you who are there for you. Nearly started getting a bit deep there!
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Thanks Millykin, how are you doing now with it? I've had three sorts of hrt since July so its not surprising I feel rubbish, my body hasn't a clue what's going on. Hoping it will settle in a little while. Started on patches which were beginning to settle symptoms but wouldn't stay on and had horrible itches underneath. Moved onto Femoston low dose, then medium as it didn't feel enough and i'd missed a period. Just want it all to settle so I can be me again. You're right, the people around me are fab, including my hubby, family and work colleagues. Hugs :)xx
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I can honestly say I'm doing good now. I'm 44 was 42 when they told me I was peri meno, so took HRT Elleste duet to protect bones but that didn't work and that's when anxiety started, left everything alone till April and couldn't take much more so started femoston 1/10 and it's been the best thing I done. They were going to up my dose as not really taking a bleed but I said I'll stick with lower dose for now. Glad I did cause everything's settled and maybe get the odd day of anxiety but it oasses pretty wuick now
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That's great to hear Millykin. Are you having bleeds now on the 1/10? That was the reason i went up to 2/10. I'm 45 was 44 when told peri but looking back i suspect its been rumbling on for a while. Glad yr feeling better, there's hope for me yet! x
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Yep. Since before I can remember :'( ……. usually once I 'got going' it would dissipate but in recent years, I have no where to dissipate it to. To think I used to do drama/singing *on stage* :o but of course, once on the stage it would go.
I used to be out of bed as soon as I woke up as early as 5.30 sometimes. DH would get up with me which added to the guilt.
I improve as the day goes by because any commitments are dealt with. I do find that I get a dip around 4.00 p.m. ……. find ReadyBrek useful ;)
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Jedigirl Had a one day bleed few weeks ago at end of oestrogen tablets, wrong time but felt ok so .... GP said ok if I don't bleed but if I want go to 2/10 but I'm fine so I'll leave that till I feel I need higher dose. Looking back to 2010/2011 I was only taking a period every 3 months now it's every 6ish.
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Millykin, sounds like you're doing well and happy with your choices. That's about what we hope for really isn't it. Glad for you :)
CLKD feel for you, anxiety is horrible and we all have to find our strategies for it. Keep strong, it's amazing how strong we are. Hugs :)
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CLKD just had a thought, don't know whether its your thing or not but have you tried guided meditation? There's a fabulous free app for tablets or mobiles called Qi Gong meditation. You can find it on Google Play store. Its helped me to calm my anxiety during its worst times. xxx
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:thankyou: but I've been through the CB-type therapies, relaxation tapes, the only thing that helped in the 1990s was talking therapy.
When I'm fine I could take on the World - when my gut churns, that's it ……… :'( and always worse at this time of year. It is the physicality that always shocks me :-\
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I have had this in spells and it is dreadful. Affects my bowels as well when it happens. I know it is hormones as stress wakes me up - often sweating in the early morning 5-6am. I have been much better lately, but then again my periods returned after 11 months so suspect hormones are in a more stable pattern for now.
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yes I get this at times. No pattern or reason it just is. When I get it I also go to the toilet easily. On the days I don't wake up with it I struggle to 'go'. Funny old do isn't it? Makes no sense at all to me ???
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Thanks all for your replies, its so comforting to hear your views. We will battle on! Sleep tight all xxx
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Absolutley know what you mean about the morning anxiety, which can often go on longer. Must be to do with adrenaline or cortisol levels. Seems to be coming from the middle like internal shaking. Surely the fight or flight response, would love to wake up without this horrible sensation which to my mind is 100% hormones. Did not have this when I had periods.
Meg
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Yes Meg, I'm lucky if mine goes before teatime but its such a relief when it eases. I only manage to eat well on an evening it affects me so much. It is a strange sensation, hard to describe if you don't have it. It seems centred in my chest and arms but upsets my stomach and bowels too. I feel shaky and find it hard to settle to things. Am hoping today is a good day as the kids want to get Christmas decorations up! Thanks for chat x
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Mine's centred immediately below my belly button ……… I immediately feel sick. Can't eat. Even though my brain is telling me that my body is hungry :-\ ……… I've had this since age 3 and still can't get my head around it!
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Another sufferer here I'm afraid - somewhat reassuring knowing I'm not alone! Currently not on HRT as was told to come off it after 7 years so trying to see how I get on for the time being. I find that Propranolol (beta blocker) helps with the anxiety a bit - one 10mg tab calms things down a lot and even the herbal remedy Kalms aren't bad. My symptoms are more palpitations than stomach churning. Agree it is a horrible feeling though but I try to tell myself that it will pass.
Sharon
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I get the hot water feeling through my veins too ….
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Sharon, you're definitely not alone. Its a horrible feeling, so annoying to not be in control of your anxieties. I know there's no real reason for it but telling my body that is a different matter! I think it helps to know it does pass so we can comfort ourselves with that when feeling at our worst. X
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I find it hard to convince myself it will pass. No matter how many times it happens it just doesn't get any easier.
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No Toffeecushion - I remember a Psychologist telling me to 'remember how you felt on a good day' >:( ….. if it were that easy would we suffer panic attacks ?
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If the anxiety didn't frighten us it wouldn't have an effect on us. I know we should just accept it and it will pass, but that is so much easier said than done.
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It is physical - how often can we ignore anything physical?
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Yes the horrible physical symptoms make it impossible to ignore, though some days are more manageable than others but I can get through the day with the knowledge in my mind that by teatime my brain fog will ease, my panicky feeling will calm and my tummy will at least let me eat something. If I didn't have that to aim for the day would be so much worse. A large bottle of liquid magnesium arrived today, going to try it for calming properties and aiding sleep. Fingers crossed! X
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These posts on this thread talk of something that is so familiar to me.
That physical dread anxiety on waking, yuk
I have always been a fearful person but the meno anxiety just feels 'different' than psychological anxiety.
All emotions feel physical, because that is where the physical and non physical meet in the body sensations.
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there's physical and horrid physical though …… I can't remember the last time I enjoyed a good belly laugh :( :-\ ……….
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there's physical and horrid physical though …… I can't remember the last time I enjoyed a good belly laugh :( :-\ ……….
Me too, I miss a belly laugh.
Also I cant sing a note when I am so anxious and depressed and I love singing.
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These posts on this thread talk of something that is so familiar to me.
That physical dread anxiety on waking, yuk
I have always been a fearful person but the meno anxiety just feels 'different' than psychological anxiety.
All emotions feel physical, because that is where the physical and non physical meet in the body sensations.
I agree, the anxiety is different to how it used to be.
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Hello sparkle.
I agree with you and your comment made me chuckle, no mean feat for me at the moment I can tell you !
Take care.
K.
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I dread the mornings for anx reasons too - often awake and have that gut churning feeling in pit of stomach & just feeling of dread ...Want to just go back under the duvet and sleep and awake feeling worry/fear free ...I often find the evenings easier for some reason, for some bizarre reason I feel safer, which is all psychological of course .....Oh to be young again and not have the fears and thoughts and negative stuff going on...
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It is strange that in the evening you can feel much better. As though your subconscious has said 'well that's another day over, you can relax now'.
Bramble
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Yep - also we have probably eaten which we don't do overnight ;)
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It is strange that in the evening you can feel much better. As though your subconscious has said 'well that's another day over, you can relax now'.
Bramble
That is exactly how it feels
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YUp me too....smiling if not laughing at the hysteria comment x
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All commitments done by the evening. I did find when I was very ill making a list each evening meant that at least I had something to judge each day by - ticking off chores really helped see that I had achieved!
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Hi not posted for ages but I feel anxiety in the mornings as soon as I wake it's there it's horrible shaky and churning once I'm up and eaten it helps . Does b6 and b12 help ? Can't have hrt due to a mini stroke few years back :-( . Like everybody on here my family are a god send 😘
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Hi Pauline, i was recommended Feroglobin for B vitamins and iron. Also i find liquid magnesium helps for anxiety. If you google it there's alot of information.
Hope everyone doing okay at this busy time of year. I'm finding being busy helping.
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