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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: CLKD on October 06, 2014, 06:28:12 PM
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apparently to encourage young children to get interested in classical music the BBC has made a new film - what I want to know is what was wrong with Disney's 'fantasia'? exactly the same idea! as children are used to seeing oh what's the word: cartoons : surely putting them in front of 'fantasia' would have been better?
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Times change CLKD and to engage children we have to change things too.
Honeyb
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Having watched some of the film it's the same idea and much less 'violent'. Certainly the music chosen for this idea isn't anything I would listen to - and I was raised on classical music: I know, most parents used Cow and Gate ;) ……. : in fact only classical was allowed under their roof ……… ::)
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My kids were brought up on the Rolling Stones, and The Beatles, in fact a lot of the old stuff.
Neither of them are keen on classical but love 60s stuff.
You can only introduce children to a wide variety of things and let them make up their own minds.
Honeyb
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The point is to introduce kids to classical music because they are surrounded by other types of but I was scoffed at in School due to learning classical piano pieces but it didn't put me off. It did close my mind to other types of music until 1984.
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I think there's room for introducing kids to all kinds of music (within reason!). Yes, I'm tempted to say just classical music (and organ music in particular!!), but children are sponges for this sort of thing and you never know what interest or talent may be sparked. Just a thought.....................
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Recorders were the instrument of choice in many Schools in the 50s/60s ::) followed by clarinets and cornets. Singing in choirs or taking part in drama class was also part of education.
I loved to listen under the bedclothes to the Top of the Pops on a Sunday evening ;)
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There was an amazing programme the other day - maybe Channel 4 - can't remember the guy - he worked with primary school children to introduce them to orchestral instruments and they had a few lessons ( just the very basics - and maybe just one or two notes).
This was a school that could barely afford money for basic curriculum stuff - maths and literacy- and had no funding for music at all
He got an orchestra to come and play in the school hall and the kids filed in from their classrooms as the orchestra were playing a dramatic piece (can't remember what) and they were absolutely spellbound - you should have seen their faces! After a few weeks the children actually played a classical piece on their instruments ( their one note) at the right time while the guy played keyboard - to the audience of parents. It was amazing to see but of course difficult to replicate everywhere.
Hurdity x
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Music was huge when I was in school, although we had to play the instruments that were available. It was a relief from maths or cross country ;) and I enjoyed going to other schools top lay in our orchestra or sing in our choir.
It would be nice to see Gareth Malone-type idea going across the education system to encourage more music generally and think of the ethnic diversity now!
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Afraid as Hurdity said CKLD the funding for music in schools is either low or not there. Often if there is a teacher at primary school who is musical lessons may be offered in the lunch hour for recorder.
I always encouraged my children to do music, i can't read a note ! - we paid for them to have lessons.
We were very lucky in that our major city down here has a childrens orchestra which any child can join from the age of seven regardless of ability. There was a chamber orchestra for the older more accomplished players.
My daughter didn't take to it all but my son benefitted hugely - he went abroad with the orchestra on exchange visits and we had youngsters back to stay from france and russia.He got music GCSE and had help from secondary school with buying instruments on a school scheme.
He didn't quite make the grades for university to do a course that wasn't music at all but they took him anyway. I believe it was because by that time he had Grade 8 on saxophone and the university had a Big Band.
I agree with you it would be great to see Gareth Malone or that type of idea going across schools - especially primary.
It is all there but a lot has to come from parents at the moment.
Hattie X
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Music, Movement and Mime anyone ;D
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Hurdity, wish I'd seen that prog. The way I see it, musical outreach to schools, of the kind you saw on TV, is an absolute must. It's something that can inspire kids beyond pop and can invite them into a world that the folks at home may have made them think is only for snobs. (I got a bit of this at school.) Thinking of Gustavo Dudamel's El Sistema in South America, parental back-up is crucial for any child to develop as a young musician, whatever the family's financial circumstances. There are so many countries beyond ours where there is music in the home as a matter of course. People (including children) go to concerts and the value of music is fully appreciated. Kids don't get mocked if they carry a fiddle to school. They don't only know music with a beat. Whether children end up going in for music or just keep it as a hobby isn't the issue here, but music's an international language, a social leveller and an emotional outlet rolled into in one.
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I played the piano, recorder, clarinet and could sing: Menopause Group ? what do/did you play?
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When I worked in nursery I made up CD of music some classical, some chill stuff. Younger girls thought I was mad, but much better than listening to some of the explicit lyrics on some songs these days.
Not sure if the children enjoyed it, but maybe somewhere down the line they will remember a tune from their childhood. At primary school we had a music teacher who would come in. After teaching us some songs he always played some music by Bach. Names of pieces escape me, but when I hear it I remember music teacher vividly.
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CLKD - organ! :)
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:thankyou: ………. my Mum played the organ in Church when she was growing up …… I feel a Toccata coming on ;)
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That's interesting, CLKD! Who else plays what? :)
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I was recorder. Still got it somewhere. Hated it.
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I don't know how, but I managed to miss recorder, Cubagirl. Never really liked the sound of it, although like all things, great if done by an expert!
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I was promoted to treble, which had a nicer tone, but they were school ones. After every use disinfected :sick02: I know they needed disinfected, but my mum refused to buy me one. She bought me a nice wooden descant Schott's to start me off though.
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I don't think we disinfected ours ::) - maybe the mouth piece got dunked in a solution occasionally :-X
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I can play various instruments but nothing very well unfortunately! I also sing (using the natural untrained voice)
Hurdity x
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I had a musically gifted teacher at primary school who started a recorder group, but not just a bunch of descants. My parents bought me a tenor recorder, which I loved and we used to play quite complicated pieces (for under 12s). Sadly, the school then offered violin lessons, which I took up. That was me stuck for the next six years playing an instrument I never loved. How I wish I had chosen the piano, like my brother! Pianos are so much more sociable.
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Our Primary School had the 1st recorder band in the country ;) …….. a violin is more portable than a piano though ;D
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Our daughter learned violin and later viola. She was invited to join local school's orchestra and went for lessons for that every Saturday morning in an old school. School is now a pub and under used shopping mall. I used to hate listening to her practice. She gave up at about 16 as she needed to concentrate on her main school work.
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Years ago we lived for ten months in Cardiff near an area called Splott - Shirley Bassey country as near Tiger Bay Sunday mornings we used to see the Splott Kazoo Band go by all made up of children. Dressed in uniform, a girl marching at the front with another girl at the rear on the big bass drum.
They used to do all sorts of tunes - it just seemed like a fun way to maybe introduce children to more music - also the kazoo is a cheap instrument.
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I've got memories of hearing our school bagpipe chanter class practising. It was the nearest I ever came to hearing a flock of ducks at school!!
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:o ………… ;D
Dad hated bagpipes. He took us as a family to Plockton - we stayed in a Hotel it was regatta weekend. At 11.30 p.m. someone stood outside the Hotel playing the bagpipes - apparently Dad was fast asleep the rest of us were waiting for him to leap out of bed, throw open the window and yell :D
So Plockton + bagpipes = ;D
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Oh I love the sound of the pipes. Though when my brother remarried there was a piper piping us all in to hotel at around 2.30pm. Didn't go down well with pilot who was trying to sleep after a long haul flight.
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I bet, CLKD! :o
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When I was a teacher, I had the privilege of teaching for a while in a primary school where music was very much part of the curriculum. The end of Friday afternoons was dedicated to singing, which was done with gusto. It was amusing to watch new children come and look round confused at the enthusiasm, then gradually join in.
I never had access to any kind of music apart from the radio programme 'Singing Together '. Without that programme. I wouldn't have any knowledge of traditional songs, which is proving to be very useful now in my singing lessons. Anyone else remember that programme?
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I started off with the recorder, then had singing lessons. Piano lessons and then started the clarinet. I loved playing in the school orchestra. We entered all sorts of competitions. It was great fun getting in the bus and going all over to play against other schools in the county.....we won a lot too.
I gave it all up at 17. Social life and exams got in the way.....Oh and boys ::)
My kids are not musical really. My son is tone deaf like his dad. I remember a teacher telling him just to mouth the words, he was so bad.
My daughter played the tuba for about three years until braces got in the way...literally ;D
Honeyb
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Yep - singing together; music, movement and mime;
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Another :D