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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: honeybun on June 30, 2014, 09:13:15 PM
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As a reporter said tonight.....
A little bit of innocence and a little bit of childhood taken away
:'(
Honeyb
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Wonder how long he'll get.
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So sad. It was the 'culture' of the day though …….. :-X
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To perhaps take advantage of fame but not to abuse a seven year old.
That's not the culture of the day.....that's sick.
Honeyb
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Now saying his case connected with JS. How many more?
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Just started reading about all this stuff coming out..sorry a bit out of the loop living in the States now but remember Rolf Harris and JS growing up they were everywhere. As the news comes out it just seems to get worse and worse...hard to get your head around it really
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Im sorry dont shout but theres grooming and grooming this girl he ended up having an affir with untill she was 20
Come on if anyone had come in to my or ur room at 15 and we were sleeping next to his daughter wed scream
Wed certainly not carry on gong on holidays etc with them for 5 years or more and end up having a full on affair
This is the person that makes me sick she would have 100% KNOWN what he and she were doing was wrong
So sorry I have NO SYMPATHY for girls like her or girls who hung around JS to see stars they put up with fumbles to get what they wanted to be on TV meet stars who they hope theyd cop off with as they said then
Im sure JS was an evil swine and as is Rolf Harris but some of the older girls deserve nothing
They could have told their parents or kept away NONE lived with his daughter and wife did they?
We have one here in Ozz she was touched in her boob in UK by Harris and then his hand down her tights and knickers in a changing room she was 20 0dd why didnt she scream shout push him away no she said nothing
Now shes been paid to tell her story and that was it the stuff I wrote Yesterday a older gent came on radio He wouldnt give his name but he was a Compere in the 70s/80s when Harris would go back to Ozz he said he used to warn the women there to keep away from him if they didnt want to get groped IF IT was well known then?
IM sorry it cheapens the children who are REALLY SEXUALLY ABUSED as some of Harris and JS victims were
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It shows how far we have come that people are now able to make a complaint about sexual abuse and sexual harrissment whether recently or historically, and be heard and believed. In the 70s and 80s, it tended to be pushed under the carpet. While doing a stint as a special constable, I witnessed wpcs being sexually harrissed in the police station. They shrugged it off as par for the course if they wanted to continue in the job. I thought it disgusting and an indication of attitudes towards women. Needless to say, I chose a different career. What worries me is that some women will and do jump on the band wagon and accuse innocent men, or claim to be victims of well known cases. It is so difficult to prove. In the case of Harris, I don't feel in the position to judge as I haven't heard the evidence by this girl, but I have wondered. But it is a reflection of attitudes in the past that it was known in some quarters, that Harris and JS were that way inclined.
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Women can sexually harrass men too. Hubby was witness to that when he worked in the police. One female officer in particular would harass many of her male colleagues. Some were flattered, but most disgusted. She caused the break up of one marriage, with her shannigans. Hubby was repulsed by her. But nowt was ever done about it.
Once had a guy at work who thought he could try his luck. Soon put him right. He came away with very suggestive comments & then asked if I was married. When I told him I was married to a policeman, he soon disappeared into his office. Hubby was ready to "deal" with him. Needless to say I told all the girls at work. Some thought it was flattering. Eh, no! So there in lies the rub. Fortunately he left to progress his career elsewhere.
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Most men these days would run a mile before they made a fun or slightly risque comment to a woman. They would not touch a woman either and I don't mean pinch her bum but just a touch on the hand.
Many years ago I worked in commercial catering. We fed 1000 men everyday and I had to go out with a huge trolley and clear the tables. Some of the suggestions that I had made were outrageous but meant in fun and taken that way.
I worked on building sites selling houses and was the only woman on site....again you had to have a sense of humour and n
be able to banter back.
That has been mostly lost as there have been too many men in trouble for next to nothing.
It's a real shame because it was the banter and fun that made going to work enjoyable and not once did I feel under threat or at risk or picked on, not even surrounded by 1000 men.
It's PC gone nuts.
Honeyb
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Well sexual banter is alive and well in this household! That is because it is said with no questionable intent, with kindness and respect. The same comments could be said in a different context, with different intent and lack of respect. Then it becomes offensive. Some people do not understand the boundaries or simply have no respect and want to undermine.
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And a lot of women just don't know how to deal with banter. It's very sad that workplace banter has become a no go zone as it can be taken out of context.
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It's difficult.
Many (many) moons ago I was a graduate trainee in a computer systems department.
There was a manager there, not my manager, but senior to me. We had exchanged banter quite happily for some time.
Then, one day in the lunch queue (in front of other people) he grabbed me from behind put his arms around me and lifted me up in the air and wouldn't let go. I laughed a bit, then said stop it, I couldn't get away. He didn't stop, then I asked nicely, that he put me down. He didn't, this happened twice. After the second time I drove my elbows into his chest and kicked him in the shins with my heels.
He gave up then saying "that hurts"
Banter is good physical woman handling isn't
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It's knowing where to draw the line. That's means listening and observation. And just plain respect. No doubt you found it difficult and uncomfortable to be around him again, Limpy. I would find that scenario offensive in any situation. How did other people react?
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Strange mix, some scuttled off, others said he had it coming. The canteen ladies were supportive though. He avoided me after that. I left the company about 18 months later, nothing to to with that event but to progress in what passed for my career. ::)
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Where were the parents? Also, how many girls were thrilled to be in the company of a 'star' or someone 'famous'? It's sad that in this case the girl couldn't go to her parents ……….. for all my dysfunctional up-bringing, had I gone to either of my parents with such a story all hell would have broken out. However, they knew exactly where I was, who I was with, how long I would be gone until I left home ………. over-bearing but I could never have found myself in such a situation.
Or maybe she didn't want to go to her parents at that time ………. I am able to separate his wonderful art work from his recently discovered history ……….
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Shame, fear of not being believed. It's the same whether the abuser is famous or not. Many people our age & more "put up" with these sorts of things. They may have been told there will repercussions if they told anyone. So sad that these things happen.
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I was 15 in the late 60s as most know wed get in to Pubs and clubs at that age it was just way it was then
We all knew the girls who HUNG around the DJs who looked 20 at 16 theyd hang around and simper
Theses DJs were in their 20s most of them and MARRIED and were flattered to hell by girls all over them
So hanky panky happened the girls got free drinks free entry for weeks to come to clubs re hanky panky with DJ
MOst of them would have had no idea the girl dressed like Lulu or Sandoe Shaw were only 15 or 16
Theyd come down the clubs and pubs boast theyd had sex with so@so the DJ from here or there clubs
They knew 1000% what they were doing and I still knew them in my 20s who dined out on remember when!!!!
Now of course some of the same type of girls went after DJS like Tarrant who was found not guilty then cops Said oh Theres another girl come forward its almost a witch hunt in some ways
AND things were diff watch the Proffesionals u die of embarrasment but we thought it was the norm
Its the under 13s that get to me all these sluts who knew what they were doing make the child abuse
Seem some what less well it does in my eyes But maybe thats just me?
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Being sentenced this morning.
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Nearly 6 years :'( ……….. such a sad ending ………. I wish I knew why :-\ : someone with such talent, often people live 2/3 lives - I know my parents could be shouting and screaming at each other and 'turn' into nice people if the door bell rang :'( …….. I was told that 'your parents are teachers, that can't be happening' if ever I mentioned the situation, only our Music teacher realised: he tried to get me to the Royal College "to get you out of the home atmosphere" ……… it's only during the last 5 years that Mother's narcissistic behaviour came to the fore and I began to see the 'truth' of why Dad acted as he did :-\ and how she didn't allow him to build a fatherly relationship with me :'( :'( people get trapped in what becomes 'normal', it doesn't make a 'right' ……..
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Where were the parents? Also, how many girls were thrilled to be in the company of a 'star' or someone 'famous'? It's sad that in this case the girl couldn't go to her parents ……….. for all my dysfunctional up-bringing, had I gone to either of my parents with such a story all hell would have broken out.
Or maybe she didn't want to go to her parents at that time ………. I am able to separate his wonderful art work from his recently discovered history ……….
Perhaps the girls felt they wouldn't be believed by another grown up if they said anything?
Also, sorry CLKD, I have never rated his art work didn't understand how anybody could.
Perhaps it's just a personal taste thing.
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Art is personal. What people will buy I would hang face to the wall ;).
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Art tastes are so varied. Just ask my hubby, we have very differing tastes & can't agree on what to buy.
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Sounds about right.
I used to play french horn, one evening I was playing in a concert.
OH was there, for a while........
He decamped and went to the pictures, his excuse, he liked music, but not that sort.
Can't blame him it was a bit dire ::)
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Now a Consultant has been found guilty - surely he didn't go into Medicine in order to abuse boys? This shows that everyone should have a chaperone when under-going examination :'(
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Sir Edward Heath in the news now ::) ……….
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Oh, for goodness' sake............!
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My thoughts exactly ! ………. don't give them air-space until there's a Case Proven!
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I'm sick of seeing his face all over the News, don't give these people air space >:(
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I wish the media would stop giving this guy air space >:(. If he goes to Trial, the Case will be compromised.
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Can't say I like this guy BUT in this country you're guilty until proven innocent instead of the other way round,how can WE tell if he's guilty of rape or not? Those papers which are vilifying him are the exact same papers who used to egg him on in the past,they're pathetic
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Can't say I like this guy BUT in this country you're guilty until proven innocent instead of the other way round,how can WE tell if he's guilty of rape or not? Those papers which are vilifying him are the exact same papers who used to egg him on in the past,they're pathetic
Totally agree. And the government body questioning platforms that are still allowing him to make money are encouraging a presumption of guilt before a fair trial too. I personally think he is hideous, offensive and I would be very surprised if he didn't do most, if not all, of what he is accused off, but we can't pick and choose who we say can be deemed as innocent until proven guilty. That's not the way the law works.
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He was known if not famous for being a sex addict,he never hid it and I think his mistake was to have sex with young women/girls? (Age 16) who were not experienced and some of his acts were scary to them BUT they were acts of sex,which now the papers are making out to be absolutely disgusting,ha,the very ones who used to have naked women on page 3,what a hypocritical society we live in 🤷♀️
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The girls went back and back though. Wanting to 'be seen' with someone famous? How he's still employed after that prank with Jonathon Ross amazes me, I can't stand either >:(
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Yes,that was very childish,poor Mr Sachs :(
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Vicious I reckon. He's died now, Bless him. How could they have thought it was in anyway funny >:(
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Because they're pr*cks. But at least Ross is a harmless one,the other imo is malicious.
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Sadly it's still a man's world to a certain extent,those two t**ts on gb news,Dan Wooten and some failed actor,Laurence Fox,going on about some female politician,Fox saying......he wouldn't s**g that,my god,this was on tv and NOT said privately
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Sadly it's still a man's world to a certain extent,those two t**ts on gb news,Dan Wooten and some failed actor,Laurence Fox,going on about some female politician,Fox saying......he wouldn't s**g that,my god,this was on tv and NOT said privately
That Fox is awful, just another nobody who gets media attention just because he is so controversial.
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Yep. Brand has always given me the creeps. And as for him thinking the prank on Andrew Sachs was in anyway funny just beggars belief. And Jonathon Ross was complicit >:(
Whenever that guy Fox opens his mouth, I’m cringing. What’s he going to come out with now - moron!
And quite right that Wooton has been suspended. Once again, complicit in laughing along with Fox’s ignorant comments.
For God’s sake, why are there so many men that fail to engage their brains before opening their gob :beat:
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MayB 'small man syndrome' or that thing between their legs remains flaccid?
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That Wooten bloke,was whining because he said the media was trying to wreck his life,after he was accused of sexual harassment or assault,yet HE was the man that tried to wreck J.Depp's life by calling him a wife beater (& we now all know what a psycho Depp was married to) so maybe what comes around goes around.
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The alternating title of this thread is very confusing, CLKD. It might have made things easier to follow by just starting a new thread! ;D
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Sorry,we do tend to meander a bit ;D we'll be speaking about tea and cake soon ;D
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It’s not that at all, Jaypo.😁Look at the thread title of your posts and who you are posting about! Then look at the title of CLKD’s posts - there is a ‘slight’ confusing difference as she has altered the title of the thread, but it only works for her posts. :o
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;D oops
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This ;D ;D ;D
Edited for the sake of our menopausal brains ;D ;D ;D
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Aaahahahaha hello sage 👋👋👋
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we'll be speaking about tea and cake soon ;D
Chai tea for me please with a slice of homemade lemon drizzle cake.
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Jenna - that's a bit picky. Every1 has the opportunity of altering their title according to the subject :D. A few weeks ago I explained how.
Not confusing at all! I'm sitting down with a fresh banana ........ 8)
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Kettle is on,minusminnie,just knock and come in ;D
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That was lovely, tnx. 8)
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Jenna - that's a bit picky. Every1 has the opportunity of altering their title according to the subject :D. A few weeks ago I explained how.
Not confusing at all! I'm sitting down with a fresh banana ........ 8)
The point is that the title of the thread only changes when you alter it - it stays the same for subsequent posts (including yours, unless you keep changing it, as you can see in your post quoted above). All subsequent posts, therefore, appear to refer to the OP’s thread title and that is why it is confusing and misleading.
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Is that better ? ::)
I feel well chastised 8)
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It's not really an important thread tbh,just chitchatting
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Yep. A good meander ........... now, what was the question :D
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How fantastic is jaypo??? ;D
Nobody better DARE answer that ;D
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:D. :lol:
It appears that in an incident this week , where 3 were shot dead in Rotterdam, that the person wielding the gun was 'known to the Police'. How often does that happen :bang:
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..... with a meander. Any1 can alter the heading !!
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CLKD, what's the use of altering the heading when you're not the author of the thread? ;D ;D ;D
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Kettle is on,minusminnie,just knock and come in ;D
Why thank you kindly. ;D
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You're most welcome minusminnie ;D
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Because the OP isn't around to change the topic line.
Keep up, do ;D
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The thread was started back in 2014 also,so I suppose it's bound to change over that length of time
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Puggles - if U read the thread from start to finish it will be clearer. If not, don't let it bother you :-\ ???