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Title: Beauty tips
Post by: dulciana on May 30, 2014, 11:06:44 AM
Well, a beauty-related tip!  I couldn't find cotton-wool pads in the chemist's the other day, so I had to content myself with bulky cotton-wool balls. Pity, because I like to dampen the pads before I put cleanser on them.   However, next morning, I prised a cotton-wool ball slightly apart, pulling gently from each end and slightly further in, dampened it and then applied my usual cleanser.  Hey presto, one cotton-wool pad!  I was going to go out and buy pads and chuck the balls away, so it saved me money.

Anyone else got any beauty (or beauty-related) tips? 

D.   :)

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Post by: dulciana on May 30, 2014, 07:13:25 PM
Nobody? :-\
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Post by: ellie on May 30, 2014, 07:58:07 PM
When My mascara has run out, I wash the brush and use it to brush my eyebrows after using eyebrow pencil.
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Post by: dulciana on May 30, 2014, 08:03:10 PM
That's a good idea! :)
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Post by: littleminnie on May 30, 2014, 08:40:40 PM
If you have a few grey roots coming through, use mascara on them before you go out. (Only works if you have brown/black hair though). 
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Post by: ariadne on May 30, 2014, 09:15:51 PM
If you colour your own hair at home and end up throwing a lot away when retouching the roots, just mix up half the developer and half the cream colour from the tube. That way you can buy one pack and retouch the roots twice.

Ariadne xx
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Post by: honeybun on May 30, 2014, 09:22:41 PM
For rough and dry dirty gardening hands.

Put a spoonful of sugar in the palm of your hand with a glug of olive oil and rub it in. Wash off with warm water and mild soap.

It's the best treatment for garden hands that I know.


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Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: Wombat on May 30, 2014, 09:59:34 PM
Don't spend a lot of money on moisturiser ..anything that makes your skin feel comfortable is fine.

I have been known to use hand cream when I run out ! ;)
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Post by: honeybun on May 30, 2014, 10:01:26 PM
The face cream they have in Aldis is very good and a fraction of the price of other stuff.


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Post by: Wombat on May 30, 2014, 10:05:26 PM
Thanks Honeyb ..will try it

Wombat x
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Post by: honeybun on May 30, 2014, 10:17:08 PM
I use the stuff for mature skin. It's not heavy or greasy and I think it's less than £3.

Got some good reviews too.


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Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: CLKD on May 30, 2014, 10:57:41 PM
Oh good thread. Shows me how little time I take on my skin, too busy checking for chin hairs etc.  ::)

I usually buy 'own brand' stuff rather than the expensive items.  Bubbles are bubbles ………  ::) and use hand cream for all over if ruff parts of my heels for example require a little attention.
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: honeybun on May 31, 2014, 07:17:35 AM
Cleanse, tone, moisturise. Golden rules if you don't want poor skin. Products don't have to be expensive to do the job.

I use a mixed range of stuff but my one big treat is a good foundation. Costs a lot but lasts for months. Got one at Xmas that is just starting to run out now.


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Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: littleminnie on May 31, 2014, 09:23:18 AM
Can I ask which one it is Honeybun, I never know which one to buy.
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Post by: Rowan on May 31, 2014, 10:23:38 AM
Best thing I have found for skin is dry body brushing, it firms and smoothers  skin so that it feels like silk, gently buffering facial skin brightens and tightens too.

I have also seen the backs of my hands very much improved too. 

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/02/24/dry-skin-brushing.aspx

I do it before a bath using Johnsons baby Soothing Naturals Moisture Rich Bath, afterwards I use baby oils or virgin coconut oil all over, believe me it really pays.

My friend told me the other day that the skin on my face was a smooth as a baby's bottom ;D, I only use original LOTIL skin cream on my face but I love lots of different face masks that I usually make up myself, when I am making my potions, sometimes I leave them on over night or for a couple of hours.

I don't like the skin creams and serums that are advertised to me they are just hype and make your face sticky and shiny, cheaper skin creams from ALDI work just as well as creams sold in independent health shops too. 
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Post by: Morwenna on May 31, 2014, 12:00:09 PM
Last year I started to suffer very dry hard cracked skin on my heels. I bought one of those foot file thingies like an emery board for skin but it made my heels sore and itchy. Since the beginning of this year I've simply been scrubbing the soles of my feet and heels with a soft nailbrush and soap when I go in the shower. This has worked a treat - they are now lovely and soft and the skin is pink and healthy. When I remember I rub body butter into them but I think it's the brushing that's the key.

Best thing I have found for skin is dry body brushing, it firms and smoothers  skin so that it feels like silk, gently buffering facial skin brightens and tightens too.

What do you buff your face with Silverlady? I have rosacea and find anything I do to my face makes it temporarily redder and spottier  :(
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Post by: Wombat on May 31, 2014, 02:13:07 PM
Vaseline on the hands at nigh really helps too and very cheap !!

I also use it on my heels at sandal time

Wombat x
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: CLKD on May 31, 2014, 04:03:09 PM
I used to get cracked heels due to being in wellies all day  ::) and found the only thing that helped healing was Savlon, pushed deep into the skin .........

Now - does DH stroking my skin count as 'body brushing'  ;)
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: Rowan on May 31, 2014, 04:35:09 PM
Morwenna I would not exfoliate the face if you have Rosacea, your skin will easily inflame, so a very gentle approach to skin care is best. A muslin cloth may be a better approach and even that may be too much. 

For my face I have a Microfiber Exfoliating  Facial Mitt/Cosmetic Glove one side is chamoise  the other side is microfiber to exfoliate,  its very gentle.

To calm Rosacea a cream called Dermalex Repair skin treatment for Rosacea and Couperose is very good, Boots sell it.
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: tiger74 on May 31, 2014, 06:31:11 PM
Another beauty tip...

I had my eyebrows 'tattooed' (semi-permanent make-up) about a year ago - I love them.  Thoroughly recommended for anyone who over-plucked in the past or who has thinning/sparse/indistinct eyebrows.
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Post by: honeybun on May 31, 2014, 06:53:28 PM
I use Clinique foundation. I went to Debenhams and a very nice young lady helped me get a good shade match. I don't like anything too heavy so find Cliniquie ideal.

I also use a muslin cloth for make up removal. Liz Earle is great for that.


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Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: CLKD on May 31, 2014, 07:28:15 PM
Thanks Tiger - where'd you go for that?  I was thinking that I might go into JL and ask at their Beauty Counter for advice ……..  :-\
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Post by: honeybun on May 31, 2014, 07:43:17 PM
Advice on what CLKD. Make up, skin care....they don't do tattoos.

The girls in the big store are really good and will do your face for you. They do expect a sale though.


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Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: CLKD on May 31, 2014, 08:03:09 PM
Eyebrow shaping  ;) ……….   and they are unlikely to get a sale however hard they work, as I'm there for advice ……… I did pay for an eyebrow tweezering but she didn't do any shaping ……… for a tenner  ::)
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Post by: honeybun on May 31, 2014, 08:08:15 PM
You need to go to a beauty salon for that not JL. All they will do is try to sell you an eyebrow pencil and an eyebrow brush to shape things.


The girls that work on the counters generally make up some wages with sales commission, at least they did when I worked in that kind of place. They don't mind giving general advice but they won't do a makeover without the promise of a sale.

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Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: CLKD on May 31, 2014, 08:24:01 PM
 :thankyou:  I have seen places in the Centre that do eyebrow waxing in FRONT of people  :o not for me …. someone I know might walk by and that would give the game away  ;D

Meno-meet for a beauty weekend maybe?  Spa anyone ……….
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Post by: Wombat on May 31, 2014, 08:32:03 PM
Sounds heavenly.... 8)
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Post by: CLKD on May 31, 2014, 08:46:46 PM
However: I would need a week to de-fuzz etc. ………..  :P
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Post by: tiger74 on May 31, 2014, 08:58:53 PM
Re: semi permanent make-up (eyebrows), I did a lot of research and rang several places.  My main concerns were that whoever I got to do the job didn't give me the 'hard sell' and was experienced and hygienic.  I ended up at a beauty salon quite some distance away (in Cheltenham) and checked out their credentials for 'tattooing' beforehand with the local council http://www.studio19cheltenham.com/index.htm

Fantastic results and money well spent as far as I'm concerned.  Eyeliner can also be applied in a similar way but I am a little too squeamish for that.   
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: Galadriel on June 05, 2014, 07:12:55 PM
I use a little slick of Vaseline to keep my eyebrows in shape once I've finished doing my make-up. Dirt cheap and works a treat.

Galadriel x
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: CLKD on June 06, 2014, 04:02:24 PM
I need to have mine shaped first  ::)
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Post by: littleminnie on June 06, 2014, 04:32:06 PM
I use clear mascara for that Galadriel.
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: CLKD on June 06, 2014, 06:14:56 PM
What's the point of clear mascara?
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Post by: littleminnie on June 06, 2014, 06:31:38 PM
You use it on your eyebrows to keep them in shape or on your eyelashes to separate the lashes if you have naturally dark , long lashes anyway.
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Post by: CLKD on June 06, 2014, 06:37:35 PM
 :thankyou:
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Post by: Taz2 on June 07, 2014, 08:14:41 AM
My eyelashes are now very sparse. They used to be really long but are now short and stubby and the lower ones have almost disappeared. Also  my eyebrows are disappearing. Very sad.

Taz x
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Post by: honeybun on June 07, 2014, 08:24:03 AM
You can get individual false ones fitted that go in between your own. They look really natural and last for ages.
I hate the fact my are not as good as they once were.
Mother nature is quite cruel. It's as if once your child bearing years are over there is no need to look or feel good.


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Post by: Taz2 on June 07, 2014, 09:10:28 AM
A colleague at work has had this done. Looked really good but she developed an allergy to the adhesive. Not sure I want to do that - I just wish they could stay the same naturally. You have hit the nail on the head Honeybun - there is no need for Nature to keep us looking attractive!

Taz x
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Post by: Rowan on June 07, 2014, 09:18:22 AM
Eyelash tinting is the answer, you will be surprised how it shows up lashes you thought you had lost, I do my own, but any beauty salon will do them or even better your local beauty college, much cheaper and they do a very good job.

http://www.beautyresource.org.uk/articles/eyelash-tinting.html
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Post by: honeybun on June 07, 2014, 09:23:57 AM
I have had that done a few times. Stings a bit but it does make a difference. I had them done a deep blue once many moons ago.


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Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: CLKD on June 07, 2014, 04:50:11 PM
Went to JL today for advice.  There is a beauty salon upstairs and they do waxing or threading or eyebrows …. the girl on the counter had, for her 1st time, had one of hers each - one threaded the other waxed and told me that it doesn't hurt!  So I have a card ……….. might make an appt.  ;)

It is years since I wandered round all those different Companies selling 'beauty' stuff, one Company were trying to convince me that a range of products developed by a Doctor ………  ::) yep, I kept saying, what type of Doctor? with my Dr husband standing behind me  ;) - eventually we got out of the guy that it was a chemist ….. yep, that's what we thought they must think we climbed out of the Arc yesterday  >:(   :D

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Post by: Rowan on June 08, 2014, 03:07:05 PM
Had to share these gorgeous ladies

http://www.pinterest.com/tessim/gorgeous-gray-hair/

http://www.pinterest.com/linconradie/silver-streak/

http://www.pinterest.com/trueme/silver-haired-beauties/

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Post by: honeybun on June 08, 2014, 04:07:00 PM
My sister who was a natural blond let hers go grey years ago. Have to say I did not like it to start with but it's kind of grown on me.
I don't want to go down that road quite yet so I shall keep on buying my dye  ;D

They do look good though.


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Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: Taz2 on June 08, 2014, 04:40:32 PM
I've never coloured my hair so the thought of having to cover up the grey is a bit daunting. I'm just beginning to see some in the underneath layers of hair and what I don't like is the way it's making my fine hair go really frizzy. Not sure I will bother to dye it though although the hairdresser (I hate going to the hairdressers) says it will improve the condition if I colour it.

Taz x
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Post by: Morwenna on June 08, 2014, 05:18:55 PM
Silver/grey hair is very 'now' - I love it! So much so I have made an appointment to have an ash colour base with white blonde/silver highlights put in - (funny how there's no such thing as 'grey' hair dye) - I'm fed up of having to touch up my grey roots every three to four weeks, plus my natural colour (brown) no longer suits me as I think my skin tone has changed. This is with a view to letting my grey hair come through - not sure how much I have - a lot at the front and sides I reckon. Quite looking forward to it  :)
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: CLKD on June 08, 2014, 05:54:43 PM
Any colouring preparation will dry out the hair eventually.  I had mine coloured for a few years and used a very good conditioner throughout, in between each 'treatment' I had a good cut.  Now I have allowed my 'natural' colour to come through and 2 weeks after trip for a cut/wash/blow dry it looks great.  I use various shampoos, usually what is to hand  ::) and occasionally a conditioner.
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Post by: honeybun on June 08, 2014, 07:13:47 PM
Hair dye always gives my hair a boost. I love different shampoos and conditioners and always have a good range. I feel if you you use the same shampoo all the time then it starts to look dull so I change regularly.
I have trialled lots of different stuff as I am a member of a place called Savvy Circle. You apply to take part in trials and have to write reports and give out free samples. Great fun and I really enjoy it.


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Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: CLKD on June 08, 2014, 07:25:28 PM
I love buying new shampoo etc. and can't wait to get home to wash my hair  ::)

Have spent an hour on line looking for petticoats  >:(
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Post by: Morwenna on June 08, 2014, 08:21:14 PM
Any colouring preparation will dry out the hair eventually.  I had mine coloured for a few years and used a very good conditioner throughout, in between each 'treatment' I had a good cut.  Now I have allowed my 'natural' colour to come through and 2 weeks after trip for a cut/wash/blow dry it looks great.  I use various shampoos, usually what is to hand  ::) and occasionally a conditioner.

This is one of the reasons I'm trying to grow my grey out - the condition of my hair after colouring (and straightening) for many years is not good. I've started leaving conditioner in after washing it and it does seem to make a difference. I've also stopped washing it every other day - usually only twice a week now. It does seem to get less greasy since the onset of menopause. On reflection I guess menopause is probably partly responsible for the dryness.

Have spent an hour on line looking for petticoats  >:(

Have you tried Etsy?
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Post by: Taz2 on June 08, 2014, 08:26:59 PM
What sort of petticoat do you want CLKD? Have you checked under Slips?

Taz x
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Post by: Rowan on June 09, 2014, 08:34:33 AM
CLKD have a look here but be quick Emma may remove it

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_0_10?url=search-alias%3Dclothing&field-keywords=half+slips+underwear&sprefix=half+slips%2Caps%2C460

I got the Camille one.
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Post by: tiger74 on June 09, 2014, 12:24:04 PM
On the subject of silver-grey hair - doesn't Christine Lagarde look fantastic?  I think she's a real 'poster girl' for my generation.
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Post by: CLKD on June 09, 2014, 01:49:45 PM
Thanks Silverlady we have an M&Co locally.  I put in 'under slips', 'petticoats', 'under garments'  ::)

Yes Tiger74 I agree!
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Post by: Dyan on June 09, 2014, 03:58:07 PM
Who? Tiger74?
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Post by: Taz2 on June 09, 2014, 04:21:37 PM
Have you had a look at the Marks and Sparks ones CLKD?

Taz x
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Post by: tiger74 on June 09, 2014, 08:15:03 PM
@Dyan
Oh, she's MD of the IMF.  Have a look on Google Images.  I think she always looks fab.

https://www.google.com/search?q=christine+lagarde&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=5BSWU_bnEs-u7AbXvoHoDg&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg&biw=1036&bih=621
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: CLKD on June 09, 2014, 08:17:22 PM
Yep Taz ...... will have to go physically when I'm in the mood  ::)
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Post by: Linsey44 on June 12, 2014, 08:46:27 PM
Christine Lagarde does suit her grey hair. 

Grey hair comes in so many shades and textures unfortunately some have coarse dark grey and others seem to have smoother silvery tones which is sometimes quite nice.  Its just your luck / genetics I suppose as to what type of grey / how much grey you get.

My mum (who I don't look like at all) is 68 and has hardly any grey hair, her mother was the same died at 78 with hardly a grey in her head.  Was hoping to follow in her footsteps, will need to wait and see, I'm lucky not to have hardly any as others my age but would rather not have any at all.  Still colour my hair though!
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Post by: Rowan on June 13, 2014, 08:58:35 AM
Got a lovely white linen dress yesterday from TK Max, it is an Italian design  made in Rome, and in the Sale. Just going to alter it a little to make it a little different to suit me. Its mid calf length so dressy.

So really pleased. I always think Italian ladies look so good in white linen with their brown skin and gorgeous dark hair, but my fair olive skin and silver blonde hair will have to do.


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Post by: Rowan on June 13, 2014, 11:02:13 AM
Got a tip for these hot humid nights, buy some Deep Freeze Gel and smooth over feet and ankles and a little on the back of your neck,  make sure you don't rub the eyes though.

It really cools you down especially at bed time and also helps with aches and pains.

If you want something that smells nice and works ( but is not as cool) then Boots Cooling Foot Gel with Mint, Arnica and Witch Hazel is very good. along with their Foot Spray with Mint, Witch Hazel and Cypress is really refreshing I get through loads of it during the Summer.
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Post by: thorntrees on June 13, 2014, 11:54:48 AM
Thanks for the tip.Boots Botanic range does a lavender massage gel that can be kept in the fridge and is cooling to use at night and smells nice too.
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Post by: CLKD on June 14, 2014, 05:46:01 AM
Had my eyebrows threaded on Thursday ………… OUCH !
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Post by: honeybun on June 14, 2014, 07:10:39 AM
What brought that on CLKD. Is it legs next ?


I have got the fake tan ready for my legs, now all I have to do is shave them  ::)



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Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: kerrieann on June 14, 2014, 08:35:51 PM
which fake tan hb ?  i have had some right disasters in the past and now the stuff scares me lol
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Post by: honeybun on June 14, 2014, 08:58:35 PM
Well it's not fake tan as such but the Dove body lotion with the tan that slowly builds up. I think it looks more natural for me because with every thing else I end up streaky  ::).


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Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: babypink2807 on June 14, 2014, 10:20:42 PM
After I get out the bath I don't dry thoroughly.  I put copious amounts of Vitamin E skin care cream on my hands then put on face and neck and up to shoulder just keep smoothing in.  It keeps the skin moisturised and it's absolutely fantastic on the morning. Its Superdrug I wn cream its cheap in a bug jar but great!
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: CLKD on June 15, 2014, 07:29:29 AM
Legs will never be waxed  :o I have a spray on shower off lotion, still in the packet to try ……..
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: tiger74 on June 24, 2014, 08:09:02 PM
So... CLKD have you tried the spray on shower off lotion yet?  Any success?  I tried Veet 'Sensitve' once, I think a batch of napalm had been mislabelled!!!

I discovered waterproof eyeliner this week.  Never tried it before but great success.  I suffer from watery eyes (tear ducts don't do the job these days) so make-up often migrates, but the waterproof eyeliner has stayed stoically in place - hooray  :-*
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: dulciana on June 26, 2014, 10:51:34 AM
Really interested to hear about your white linen Italian dress, Silverlady.  Italian clothes are so stylish, flattering and good-quality, aren't they?  Okay, yours is white, but they do love colour, style, elegance over there - they don't seem to do tacky, slumpy, thrown-together-in-a-mish-mash, bland, dull, plain, etc. etc.  that you can see anywhere if you look for it, here.    And even though most Italians really suit black, they don't hide behind it at every turn!  It really gets me the way black dominates women's clothing over here.  It's too strong a colour for many of us but we wear so much of it and with some shops you go into, you'd think you'd walked into a morgue!!   

Rant over!
 :)
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: CLKD on June 26, 2014, 04:49:30 PM
Haven't tried the 'in the shower hair remover' yet  ::) - been away .........  ;)
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: dulciana on June 29, 2014, 12:45:34 PM
Who makes it, CLKD?
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Post by: CLKD on June 29, 2014, 06:16:52 PM
Oh can't remember - I'm down here and the product is up there  ::)  :-\ Veet I think …….
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: littleminnie on August 19, 2014, 06:20:45 PM
Anybody tried any 'Bed Head' products?
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Post by: ellie on August 19, 2014, 06:32:28 PM
Bed Head products are very good and smell lovely.
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Post by: CLKD on August 19, 2014, 07:32:03 PM
Oh do tell!
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Post by: Taz2 on August 20, 2014, 07:22:01 AM
I've tried the conditioner but it brought my scalp out in a rash - lovely smell though!

It's a range of hair products CLKD - nothing raunchy  ;D ;D

Taz x
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: Cazikins on May 04, 2019, 03:20:52 PM
Just thought I'd mention John Freida Voluminous hair products.
I have fine hair but lots of it so it is quite thick anyway & I bought J.F. by mistake - however I'm not one to waste good money & so used it twice a week as usual & noticed that within about 3 weeks I was losing less hair when I washed it...result for anyone with hair loss problems.
It's a bit more expensive than my usual Herbal Essense but I really notice the difference.
Cazikins x
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: JaneinPen on May 04, 2019, 07:53:18 PM
Thanks  Cazikins. I have fine hair and do lose quite a bit when drying it so will give this a try next time I am buying shampoo
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: Padine on May 05, 2019, 05:44:14 PM
What a fabulous thread! I love all things beauty related and am a sucker for new products. Do you know that if you get fed up of a product before it's finished, instead of putting it at the back of a cupboard to use up "later", if you put it to your local charity shop ( so long as it's not mascara any eye products) they can send it to girls/women who are refugees, in prison or hard up in other ways? There are places which you you can send old items to, but the postage is expensive. Charity shops should have something like Giftaid so it's not costing anything.
Padine x
Title: Re: Beauty tips
Post by: Lanzalover on May 05, 2019, 06:19:44 PM
Thanks Padine that's good to know I'll pop down to our local charity shop when I'm off later in the week.

Lanzalover x