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Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: Dandelion on May 27, 2014, 04:10:18 PM
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Hi
I'm still using Femoston, as per my signature line.
It is working to take away the flushes during the day, my periods are alright, but it's the anxiety and depression, I can't handle it.
I also still need a fan on when in bed, and I still wake up very warm and slightly sweaty.
I tried to ask my doctor for bio-identicals but she got angry with me, and said she had never heard of it.
In fact, every time the subject of HRT comes up, she gets really arsey with me, so much so, that I have not gone back to her as I am put off, because when someone like a doctor gets arsey with me, it just makes me worse.
The thing is, the anxiety and depression are so bad that I am wondering if I am not absorbing enough of the oestrogen in the pills.
There are patches available but they have norethisterone in.
I might tolerate it ok, because some women do, and I have never had pmt before in my life.
My anxiety and depression have always fallen at random times of the month, not just before my period.
I'm just worried that if the norethisterone does badly affect me, as I have pre-existing mental health problems, it may make it worse.
I am wondering whether to just take the risk and try the patches, as my doctor did offer me them when I first went for hrt.
What do you think ladies?
thanks
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I think that when we have suffered mental health problems, we are finely tuned to any alteration in the brain chemistry. If you have been offered the patches, give them a go. You could also send a PM to Dr Currie here for advice? My moods were certainly different during the month to how I felt immediately before the bleed began. At least I can up my medication as necessary if my brain feels 'low' …….
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I've tried different HRT's but none of them really lifted anxiety or helped with my (admittedly mild) depression. It could be that you will suffer this whichever HRT you are on. Although we hope it will make us feel totally our old selves it's not always a cure all and you may wish to add an anti depressant into the mix to get yourself feeling better. I would think that if your anxiety and depression have happened at different times during your cycle then it's unlikely to be hormone related. Not sure what others think? How long have you been on Femoston for?
There is a patch without norethisterone - it's called Femseven.
Taz x
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Hi Dandelion
If you are getting, at least some, relief from your daytime flushes and no negative reactions to the progesterone then the Femoston is probably still your best option. I have to say I would worry about you using other progesterones and even if you were to try Utrogestan (the bio identical progesterone) I would be worried that the sedative effect it can have could be a problem for you. Also, you have mentioned in other threads that you sometimes forget to take your pills and Utrogesten requires a very strict routine.
You mention that you still get very hot at night - what strategies do you use to keep cool, apart from using a fan? I have to say it's been very humid lately and I've been getting very hot legs and found it very difficult to sleep. If you aren't sleeping well this can really effect your mood and energy - so maybe it's your lack of sleep that is the problem. It can be a viscous circle with insomnia - the less sleep you get, the less energy you have, which results in a lack of desire to exercise so when you try to sleep at night you can't sleep because you are not tired enough.
I think you need to remember that HRT is not an antidepressant - it will only help if anxiety emerges due to the menopause. You describe your mental health problems as "random" which indicates to me that it is not hormonally based.
You sound as though you need to have an assessment of your depression. Maybe ask for a referral to a Psychiatrist for a proper look at how you can be helped.
I have to say I am appalled to hear your GP is not more responsive to your needs. I'd write down all your concerns about your mental health and the fact you are struggling to sleep because you get so hot and sweaty; take this to an appointment and see what the GP suggests - perhaps if you take a different approach with the GP he/she will be more receptive - they are only human and I find they need to be 'handled' carefully to get the best from them. I wrote all my questions and concerns down and handed this to the GP last time I saw her and it worked a treat - you see they can't ignore or misinterpret things if it's written down.
Depression is a debilitating illness so don't underestimate it's impact.
DG xxxx
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Hi Dandelion
I'm on evorel 50 patches and utrogestan and it's the best regime I've tried so far (it's my 4th regime). My gp didn't know what biodentical was initially but I asked for it after reading about it from others on here, at first she gave me the sequi (with noresthisterone in it) which I tried for 3 months but didn't like so I went back and requested the utrogestan and she obliged. Re anxiety and depression I had it and believe mine was due to falling hormones, I feel more settled than i have done for a few years on this combination, not perfect but about 90% there. I also eat well, exercise, try to avoid unnecessary stress, take borage oil and a vitamin b supplement so I am giving myself the best possible support. I still get night sweats and a little bit of vertigo but to answer your question on balance I feel patches have helped me as I feel the best I have done in the last 4/5 years.
Hope this helps, please feel free to ask any questions x
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I have been on Evoril patches for nearly five years now and my anxiety started two years ago. I tried different types of HRT including utrogestan which irritated my bladder and gave me horrendous bleeds.
HRT does nothing for me anxiety wise.
I think you should address your anxiety and depression as a separate issue and see your GP about that. You sound as if you have your meno symptoms pretty well under control except for being a bit warm at night.
As Dancing girl suggested write down your concerns and give the letter to your GP.
Honeyb
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Hi everyone
I'm not so sure, now, what to do.
I've had anxiety for years before perimenopause, but it was different.
It would happen any time of day, and I could always calm it down.
It is only since the perimenopause started that I am getting morning dread as part of my anxiety.
Mornings and afternoons are murder.
My anxiety is really bad on a morning and during the day, but seems always to calm down on an evening.
I asked about the patches cos I had a feeling I was not absorbing all of the oestrogen in the pills, but am not sure.
I don't want more antidepressants, I've had problems with those for several years.
I think psych drugs are not about getting people better, but are about making lots of money for the big pharmecutical companies.
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I found my anxiety coming back after a few months on hrt and it was not lack of estrogen, but lack of progesterone! To risk switching from a regime that is serving you pretty well, seems unwise! Any change will bring a period of disruption and you seem pretty stable. Too much estrogen causes anxiety so don't assume you have a problem with low estrogen - I initially thought this, but my levels were 677 and my progesterone still near zero. Since going to daily progesterone I feel much better!! As others have said, hrt will not make everything fab it just relieves the symptoms which make it hard to survive every day. Try to look on the positive side - I do- I can get out and live every day which I couldn't do 1 year ago - I have learnt to deal with occasional flushes, headaches, anxiety, panic and dizzyness and no longer stress about them! Perhaps consider cbt and ask for a referral
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Hi Dandelion
You say you used to be able to control your anxiety better before you were peri meno - having followed your threads since you started here on MM you have been so stressed and anxious about HRT and it's effects I think this is adding to your anxiety. I think suzyq is right about some CBT as it sounds as though you need strategies to deal with the anxiety you are getting.
Keep a diary if you can to help identify you feelings. Have you tried Mindful Meditation? My GP recommended I read up about this and I have made a real effort to practise the meditation exercises and have to say it has helped quite a bit. Those anxious feelings creep up on me and I find myself dwelling on them and before I know it I'm feeling dreadful - the meditation exercises can really help. This 'mindfulness' is a type of CBT but it does require some discipline at first to get into the habit of doing it. Do you think this is worth trying? DG x
p.s. The book I read: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_7?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=mindfulness+a+practical+guide+to+finding+peace+in+a+frantic+world&sprefix=Mindful%2Cstripbooks%2C287
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The Pharamcueticl industry makes huge amounts of profits but mostly the drugs designed do help conditions and some have been found to be beneficial in other illnesses too.
In 1999 I had to try several ADs before one 'suited' me, it wasn't perfect but kept me more stable for 10 years. Then I had to change to a newer medication (2003).
Hormonal upheaval and variations can cause other parts of the body to react including the brain. Eating correctly can help ease the sudden surge of anxiety. I remember well the DREAD and deep fear I would wake with, anytime after 4.30 a.m. :'( ……… the nightmares, the nausea in the early hours which would last until mid-afternoon. As my daily commitments got done, I would relax more and by evening, was a different person ……..
Although you were able to control the anxiety in the past, that was then; you are dealing with 'now'. Your body is different to how it was then, as we age we have different challenges. HRT won't 'cure' anxiety but by helping other aspects of the symptoms you are suffering, may well lift those enough for your to relax more.
Nothing works overnight! Our bodies didn't get to where they are suddenly so it takes a while before we notice that we need support and a little longer before that support 'kicks in'.
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Hi
I'll stick with the femoston cos it stops flushes during the day.
I hate that morning dread, what a horrible way to wake up to a new day.
thanks all
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Make sure that you eat correctly - it can ease anxiety surges ;)
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I've just been reading about bio-identicals as I thought about trying HRT in July when I will be post menopausal but the article was from 2009. Does anybody know what the latest info about them is -ie long term risk etc
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I've found a thread about bio-identicals which may be of interest http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,22407.msg339028.html#msg339028
Taz x
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I've found a thread about bio-identicals which may be of interest http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,22407.msg339028.html#msg339028
Taz x
I just started reading the first few posts of that thread and I now feel well depressed.
Someone saying they feel really happy for the first time in a year because they are on utrogestan.
Is everybody really happy on utrogestan?
Why are women being treated unequally, some are getting their lives back yet others have to suffer needlessly.
I don't wanna read the rest of the thread cos it reminds me of what I haven't got.
:(
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I'm not sure what you mean Dandelion. Are you saying that you have had utrogestan and not got on with it or that your GP has denied it for you? Most GP's now prescribe utrogestan - mine did but I can't tolerate it due to the high level of soya (food allergy).
I didn't mean to depress you but just felt it would save you asking lots of questions which may have already been answered elsewhere.
Taz x
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Dalhousie
I'm on utrogestan and like it, I don't have any side effects because I use it vaginally. It can be a bit of a sedative but as I use it at night time this isn't a problem. Don't be depressed x
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Hello Dandelion.
I totally sympathise with how you are feeling, I'm certainly finding the menopause to be a very challenging time and hearing of other women's success can make you feel so much worse. I think the trick is not to give up and keep trying new treatments, if other ladies can feel better then so can you!
I am 57 and post meno and feel that the HRT regime I am on is only just beginning to have a positive effect so clearly any improvement takes time.
I wish you well and completely understand your frustration, I think the main thing we need when going through the menopause is the patience of a saint!
Take care.
K.
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I'm not sure what you mean Dandelion. Are you saying that you have had utrogestan and not got on with it or that your GP has denied it for you? Most GP's now prescribe utrogestan - mine did but I can't tolerate it due to the high level of soya (food allergy).
I didn't mean to depress you but just felt it would save you asking lots of questions which may have already been answered elsewhere.
Taz x
Hi Taz
I have not had utrogestan.
My doctor has never heard of it.
She gets very short with me when I try to tell her other women in the UK are getting it on the NHS.
I just felt depressed because other women are feeling better on it and I am still battling with some flushes and low mood.
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Hi Kathleen and Peri
I am just fed up because of the inequality.
Also, I cannot get past my doctor.
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Utrogestan is NOT a magic bullet and a cure for all meno problems.
It gave me a very irritable bladder as I used it vaginally and the worse bleeds I had had in years. It did nothing for my anxiety and I was glad to return to my original HRT.
Some women have just as much success with pills as with patches.
You have your meno symptoms mostly controlled with your current HRT. There is absolutely nothing to say you would have perfect symptom control with anything else.
You sometimes just have to make the best of what you have got.
You said in previous posts that a gluten free diet was helping you a lot. Are you still following that?
Honeyb
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I've found a thread about bio-identicals which may be of interest http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,22407.msg339028.html#msg339028
Taz x
I just started reading the first few posts of that thread and I now feel well depressed.
Someone saying they feel really happy for the first time in a year because they are on utrogestan.
Is everybody really happy on utrogestan?
Why are women being treated unequally, some are getting their lives back yet others have to suffer needlessly.
I don't wanna read the rest of the thread cos it reminds me of what I haven't got.
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Dont feel disheartened we are all different, i have been trying to find a hrt for couple of years now and im on the gel and ustrogestan and today i feel quite low but also suffer depression.
Dont let your doctor make you feel like this, they are there to help, do some research and go and tell her what you want.
Good luck and hope you get sorted x x
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Hello Dandelion.
My GP had never heard of Utrogestan either and couldn't find mention of it on his computer, fortunately I knew from the ladies on this site that it is listed as 'microginised progesterone' (think I've spelled that correctly) so he was able to prescribe it.
Although the whole process can be disheartening please don't give up hope of feeling better, us humans are a complex mix of chemicals and it takes time to get the recipe right.
Wishing you well and keep posting.
K.
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Hi
I mentioned the word "micronised progesterone" to my doctor, but she didn't even bother to look it up on her computer.
She said that if I am not happy with my current HRT and if I don't want to use one with norethisterone in, she said I would just have to go through menopause.
She said I will have to come off it eventually due to the risks and I said I would be prepared to run the risk because I would rather live a shorter time with quality of life, than endless years with no quality of life.
That didn't even budge her.
She gets really sharp with me when I mention HRT and I am becoming scared to mention it to her.
I need to keep her sweet because she knows me well and has been able to provide the DWP with evidence of my mental illness, so they don't push me into work.
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Hi
I mentioned the word "micronised progesterone" to my doctor, but she didn't even bother to look it up on her computer.
She said that if I am not happy with my current HRT and if I don't want to use one with norethisterone in, she said I would just have to go through menopause.
She said I will have to come off it eventually due to the risks and I said I would be prepared to run the risk because I would rather live a shorter time with quality of life, than endless years with no quality of life.
That didn't even budge her.
She gets really sharp with me when I mention HRT and I am becoming scared to mention it to her.
I need to keep her sweet because she knows me well and has been able to provide the DWP with evidence of my mental illness, so they don't push me into work.
Wow she sounds really caring, is there another doctor at the surgery you can see for the HRT? Maybe she dose not agree with it but she should have an open mind for her patients. I agree id rather a good quality of life then a long one feeling ill ect.
Sorry to hear your having so much trouble xx
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Hi Dandelion!
I completely sympathise with you.
I used to be a 'fairly' anxious person. (looking back on it, I spent most of my 20's and 30's feeling anxious)
But, as I approached menopause and my oestrogen levels started to drop, my anxiety levels seemed to dampen down - a lot. Between the ages of 40 until recently, I have been in a fairly calm state. The last 10 years of my life have been brilliant because of this.
It was almost as if the oestrogen levels dropping made me calmer! (but I never made the connection, until now)
Trouble is - I started to suffer horrendous hot flushes at the age of 51 (am now 53) so am now on the HRT (beg. of 2nd month) and the hot flushes have gone - but my anxiety levels are back up to what they were in my 30's! :-X
I am now thinking that anxiety is closely linked to High Oestrogen levels.
So I now have a bit of a problem:-
Do I stick with HRT, in which case I will no longer have hot flushes and will get a good night's sleep, but suffer anxiety again,
or do I go the Non-HRT route and suffer horrible hot flushes but otherwise, live my life in a calm, relaxed manner.
Decisions, decisions :-\
(or maybe I need to be on a different type - am currently on Elleste Duet 1mg)
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Hi Dandelion!
I completely sympathise with you.
I used to be a 'fairly' anxious person. (looking back on it, I spent most of my 20's and 30's feeling anxious)
But, as I approached menopause and my oestrogen levels started to drop, my anxiety levels seemed to dampen down - a lot. Between the ages of 40 until recently, I have been in a fairly calm state. The last 10 years of my life have been brilliant because of this.
It was almost as if the oestrogen levels dropping made me calmer! (but I never made the connection, until now)
Trouble is - I started to suffer horrendous hot flushes at the age of 51 (am now 53) so am now on the HRT (beg. of 2nd month) and the hot flushes have gone - but my anxiety levels are back up to what they were in my 30's! :-X
I am now thinking that anxiety is closely linked to High Oestrogen levels.
So I now have a bit of a problem:-
Do I stick with HRT, in which case I will no longer have hot flushes and will get a good night's sleep, but suffer anxiety again,
or do I go the Non-HRT route and suffer horrible hot flushes but otherwise, live my life in a calm, relaxed manner.
Decisions, decisions :-\
(or maybe I need to be on a different type - am currently on Elleste Duet 1mg)
Hi
Do you find that the anxiety is worse during the progesterone phase of your hrt?
I ask because elleste contains a synthetic progestinn called norethisterone that a lot of ladies don't get on with.
It's really strange that a reduction in oestrogen has calmed your anxiety because from what I read, normally ladies who's oestrogen drops they suffer anxiety more.
I've got a lot of non hormone related actual physical stress as I have problems with the lease on my flat and it's causing me untold worry, because I need tens of thousands of pounds to put it right.
I don't know if this anxiety is affecting the way my femoston is working.
It stops flushes for me during the day, mostly, but each morning I wake up very warm with a sweaty neck and chest, and I need the fan on in bed, because if I didn't have that fan on it would make me more hot and sweaty and I would probably wake up several times during the night, so the fan allows me to sleep.
I begrudge using a fan as well as HRT though, because the HRT is supposed to take away the flushes, but my HRT may have a harder job to keep mine under control, because of the lease problem which won't go away unless i find those tens of thousands of pounds to put it right.
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Hi
I mentioned the word "micronised progesterone" to my doctor, but she didn't even bother to look it up on her computer.
She said that if I am not happy with my current HRT and if I don't want to use one with norethisterone in, she said I would just have to go through menopause.
She said I will have to come off it eventually due to the risks and I said I would be prepared to run the risk because I would rather live a shorter time with quality of life, than endless years with no quality of life.
That didn't even budge her.
She gets really sharp with me when I mention HRT and I am becoming scared to mention it to her.
I need to keep her sweet because she knows me well and has been able to provide the DWP with evidence of my mental illness, so they don't push me into work.
Wow she sounds really caring, is there another doctor at the surgery you can see for the HRT? Maybe she dose not agree with it but she should have an open mind for her patients. I agree id rather a good quality of life then a long one feeling ill ect.
Sorry to hear your having so much trouble xx
Hi
I would go to another doctor in my surgery but there are two reasons why I wont.
The first being, both doctors will talk and the new one will tell my current one that I didn't like the way she dealt with me.
Also, I am on benefits and my existing doctor has known me ages, and has been able to supply good evidence when the DWP have asked her for it.
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Dandelion.
I just want to say again, HRT does not solve everything. I don't think your hot nights are as a result of a lack of oestrogen, I think they are stress related. You say you have stress over your lease and you are unable to work because of your mental health issues - this is all very stressful. If the HRT sorted out at your anxiety would you not have to go back to work?
As others have said, Utrogestan does not suit everyone and it certainly won't help with the night sweats. So far Femoston has given you very few problems so stick with it. I would be very worried about you trying norethisterone as the PMT symptoms can be bad. As you said, your GP knows you well and maybe she puts up a barrier about you changing HRTs because she doesn't want you even more unsettled? Have you thought of trying some of the non HRT treatments for flushes? Look under Prescribable non-HRT to the left of this screen.
Can Citizens advice help you over the lease problems?
Good luck. DG xxx
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Quite true about too much estrogen and anxiety, a lot of women feel much calmer when hormones start to fall.
http://www.psycheducation.org/hormones/estrogenbasics.htm
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Dandelion,
I was on Femoston for most of last year and was fine until I started getting a lot of anxiety. I was so anxious I was avoiding doing anything out of my normal routine, I even cancelled our holiday as I didn't feel up to it. I've never been an anxious person so it really threw me.
I started on Evorel Sequi patches in January which are great but I still had some anxiety. I then started taking Omega 3 Fish Oil daily and I don't know whether it is a coincidence or not but after about a month of taking them, my anxiety is all but gone. My blood pressure is down, I have booked a holiday which I am really looking forward to and I have recently started going to the gym. As I say, I don't know how much the Fish Oil is doing and how much is just my hormone levels changing, but thought it might be worth a go for you. They certainly wouldn't do any harm. Good luck x
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Quite true about too much estrogen and anxiety, a lot of women feel much calmer when hormones start to fall.
http://www.psycheducation.org/hormones/estrogenbasics.htm
Interesting read Silverlady.
I think maybe I should stick to the 1mg and not go up to 2mg. That's if I make it past the next 3 months without chucking in the towel. :-\
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Hi Dandelion!
I completely sympathise with you.
I used to be a 'fairly' anxious person. (looking back on it, I spent most of my 20's and 30's feeling anxious)
But, as I approached menopause and my oestrogen levels started to drop, my anxiety levels seemed to dampen down - a lot. Between the ages of 40 until recently, I have been in a fairly calm state. The last 10 years of my life have been brilliant because of this.
It was almost as if the oestrogen levels dropping made me calmer! (but I never made the connection, until now)
Trouble is - I started to suffer horrendous hot flushes at the age of 51 (am now 53) so am now on the HRT (beg. of 2nd month) and the hot flushes have gone - but my anxiety levels are back up to what they were in my 30's! :-X
I am now thinking that anxiety is closely linked to High Oestrogen levels.
So I now have a bit of a problem:-
Do I stick with HRT, in which case I will no longer have hot flushes and will get a good night's sleep, but suffer anxiety again,
or do I go the Non-HRT route and suffer horrible hot flushes but otherwise, live my life in a calm, relaxed manner.
Decisions, decisions :-\
(or maybe I need to be on a different type - am currently on Elleste Duet 1mg)
Hi
Do you find that the anxiety is worse during the progesterone phase of your hrt?
I ask because elleste contains a synthetic progestinn called norethisterone that a lot of ladies don't get on with.
It's really strange that a reduction in oestrogen has calmed your anxiety because from what I read, normally ladies who's oestrogen drops they suffer anxiety more.
I've got a lot of non hormone related actual physical stress as I have problems with the lease on my flat and it's causing me untold worry, because I need tens of thousands of pounds to put it right.
I don't know if this anxiety is affecting the way my femoston is working.
It stops flushes for me during the day, mostly, but each morning I wake up very warm with a sweaty neck and chest, and I need the fan on in bed, because if I didn't have that fan on it would make me more hot and sweaty and I would probably wake up several times during the night, so the fan allows me to sleep.
I begrudge using a fan as well as HRT though, because the HRT is supposed to take away the flushes, but my HRT may have a harder job to keep mine under control, because of the lease problem which won't go away unless i find those tens of thousands of pounds to put it right.
Anxiety was worse during the white pill stage. I had some pmt and a slightly depressed feeling towards the end of the green pills.
Now I'm back on the white pills (2nd month), I'm feeling anxious again, but not as much as the first time around.
HRT is still early days for me, so I'm not sure which symptoms are 'me' and which are down to my body adjusting to the HRT ???
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Hi Ladies and thanks for your help
I'll forget about the utrogestan - thanks for explaining why it wont work all of you. I apprciate that.
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Little steps. Our bodies don't get where they are suddenly so it takes a while for the system to build up again ;) ….. sometimes we have to accept that we feel better with what we are currently taking and to alter the regime may well upset the apple cart!
Rome wasn't built in a day ;) ………
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Sometimes you just have to try to look on the bright side! I have air conditioning on every night but if I take more estrogen I go loopy! I am taking the minimum to just about control the worst of my symptoms - as has been said many times to you - it does not cure everything! Try to enjoy what. You have, or if you can't, change hrt but the key is to make a decision and stick with it rather than constantly double-guessing what you are doing! If you think another regime might be better then try it, but as has been said many times, hrt is not perfect and maybe you are just expecting too much!
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Re oestrogen anxiety and depression - here is a published paper on the use of transdermal estradiol as treatment for post-partum depression, from 2009:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2782667/#!po=91.6667
If you want to read current thinking about oestrogen and depression then John Studd has heaps of information on his website:
http://www.studd.co.uk/
There are various articles in the menu on the left. here is one of them:
http://www.studd.co.uk/reproductivedepression.php
He is a UK based eminent gynaecologist who recommends (and has had success with) the treatment of all forms of reproductive depression with oestrogen.
I can't work out who's said what once you've got more than one quote in a box - best only to quote directly from someone otherwise it's confusing!
Dandelion - From what I can make out though no-one has said Utrogestan won't work for you - but only if you were looking for it to alleviate some specific menopausal symptoms eg hot flushes. All it is, is a different type of progestogen - micronised progesterone - as you know - which is recommended for anyone who is intolerant of all the synthetic progestogens. If you are coping OK with the dydrogesterone in Femoston then no need to change. if tablets are suiting you, then again, no need to change to patches. You are already taking bio-identical oestrogen in the Femoston.
Hurdity x
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I was depressed when off HRT between August and April and was prescribed anti depressants from the doc which I didn't take. I sneakily used one box of HRT which I had found at the back of the bathroom cabinet in April and then had to confess to the doc (who had asked me to stop HRT due to being 60) when I got to the end of that month and she thought I looked wonderful and that the "anti depressants have obviously worked". Her face was a picture when I told her the real reason for me feeling and looking so much better! I am not allowed any more HRT at the moment due to an upcoming op and the depression has returned over the past two weeks. For me HRT lifts my low mood and depressive thoughts. It doesn't do much for anxiety in my case though.
Taz x
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I'd have liked to been a fly on the wall when you told your doctor Taz :) but seriously sorry your depression has returned and hope you can do something about it soon. I agree with you hrt lifts my mood and depressive thoughts. Hope it's not too long to go to your op x
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Thanks peri. It's the beginning of July and then the battle will begin to "persuade" my GP to let me stay on HRT.
Taz x :)
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So start the ADs ? Depression can get a grip and with anaesthetic, operation and recovery can be difficult to shift. St John's Wort? though I don't have any success with it.
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Trying to learn about this. What's wrong with Utrogestan??
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Dalhousie
Utrogestan is a bio-indentical progesterone that many women are using if they find they cannot tolerate other forms of progesterone. Look under the heading 'HRT Preparations' to the left of this screen and the info is under progesterone.
Some women use it vaginally as it can cause heartburn and drowsiness.
I'd start your own thread about this if you want more feedback. DG x