Menopause Matters Forum
General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: Dyan on October 24, 2013, 08:52:49 PM
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Did anyone see this tonight?
Professor Studd was on there putting across his positive views on HRT :) and there was another professor who was mostly against it. >:(
His views are that if you have severe meno symptoms then a low dose HRT is beneficial but only take it for 5 years and anyone that has been on HRT for 5 years should come off it...........yeah right!!! >:(
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I watched it as well, and it always amuses me that it is men giving advice on HRT/menopause. ;D
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Yeah, what do they know? :-\ ;D
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I haven't seen the programme and yes it might seem amusing - but Prof Studd at least has spent years researching it so although he is not a woman at least he is (mostly) on our side and knows what he's talking about re female hormones.
Hurdity x
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I watched it but was sorry they didn't mention what happens after 60. Professor Studd said "Women using HRT between the ages of 50 and 60" and I wanted the interviewer to ask what about the older women!
Taz x
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Taz
You are so right. For many women symptoms just keep on. Sweating, anxiety, insomnia, rage, dryness, nausea, etc etc. So many have been told they will come through it but find after maybe a decade that it is still all carrying on and what are they to do at sixty when they are still suffering.
Meg
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Didn't see the programme as I am not a fan, wish I had watched it all now. Can anyone name the other Professor?
I really can't see the point of two so called eminent professors speaking for and against HRT. These two men have extreme views on HRT.
Surely all it does is cause women to become more anxious and confused.
Also I thought HRT has been re valued and older women in some casers can take it over 60. I have read enough about this.
How can two men in about 5 minutes come to either conclusion when HRT and menopause is so much more complex.
Have just watched a few minutes on Catch up
I think the two opposing views are black and white and nothing in between. Professor Klim McPherson's seemed to based on finding 10 years ago,
I didn't listen to both just a few mins as have not time, but will later.
Go to the "Trust me I'm a doctor" site and you will be able to watch it in full.
I don't think I will be stopping my tiny dose of estrogen for my bones, also does he think the hormones women produce during their reproductive lives are dangerous for our health too and we are all ticking time bombs.
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It was Professor Klim Mcpherson SL and it was only a tiny part of the programme - it also covered the effect that planting lots more trees can have on pollution, a new treatment for migraine sufferers, something for allergy sufferers and also the effectiveness of probiotics as against a daily breakfast of porridge oats which appears to have the same effect.
You can watch it here http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03fglhb/Trust_Me_Im_A_Doctor_Episode_3/ You need to scroll to around 44 minutes for the HRT section.
Taz
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Must admit Taz I did see the first part, but once it got to showing A&E I switched off and went to bed.
The reason I am not a fan is that they talk about new findings and treatments give people hope but not the means to get the treatments on cash strapped NHS.
Also the on about Botox and migraine is very old news, its been know about for years about for years, it had also been used for stroke victims.
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But just because you are clued up on it doesn't mean that everyone is SL so it might help others although I can see it wouldn't be of interest to yourself. Also not everyone watching will be an NHS patient so at least they will be given information allowing them to access something they were not aware of?
I record it and then fast forward through the parts I'm not interested in. :)
Taz
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Sorry - I didn't mean it to sound unfair! I just meant that it is surprising how many people have no idea at all about various treatments etc. and may benefit whereas you are very aware of all things to do with health and looking after yourself - something I am quite envious of because I don't look after me at all!
I meant it in a complimentary way!!
Taz :(
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"Trust Me I'm a Doctor" is the book written by Dr Phil., was he involved in this Programme? His surname escapes me though :-\
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Funnily enough I was next to a woman in the supermarket queue just now and she was flushing at the same time as me. We got chatting and I said I had been on HRT for six years but just come off it and she said she was 63 and had taken it for ten years but had been taken off it two years ago. I grumbled away about how it was unfair that at 60ish we had to come off and she said that she really had to argue with her docs once she got to 60 to stay on it. They explained all the risks to her and finally said it was her choice. A year later she had a heart attack so can no longer take it. The consultant was very "sniffy" when he came round to see her in hospital but wouldn't comment as to whether HRT had been a relevant factor. She is still sweating every half an hour - glad to be alive but sad not to be able to take HRT.
Taz x
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I think that full HRT may make Doctors more worried then low dose estrogen patches. It takes so little estrogen to protect bones and it seems that an 80 year old can go on HRT for their bones according to Professor Klim Mcpherson .
No woman regardless of age should be denied local vaginal estriol treatment at least, whatever the guidelines are.
As to a heart attack so many variable's contribute.
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Very true SL. I believe it is combined HRT which leads to more stroke and heart attack risk? Might have got that wrong though!
Taz
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Just watched both interviews with both Professors twice over, and I can say is that I some of us could have been asking the questions and doing some probing! there were lots of holes.
Especially the Prof against HRT. I was also surprised that I quite like Prof Stud, he at least did not come across as so pompous.
I can see that men of their age want to protect and defend their lives work.
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I really can't see the point of two so called eminent professors speaking for and against HRT. These two men have extreme views on HRT.
Just to say Prof Studd's views are not extreme but I presume you mean that they were at each end of the spectrum? I haven't seen the programme but Prof Studd's views, as I think I said are based on a life-time's research into female hormones and all of it reputable, academic study. It has not been discredited in any way as the major WHI study has been.
It takes so little estrogen to protect bones
Just to point out that the protective effect of oestrogen is dose dependent and while research shows that as little as 12.5 mcg daily dose ( through patch) can give some protection, the minimum dose licensed for protection against osteoporosis is 50 mcg patch.
I was also surprised that I quite like Prof Stud, he at least did not come across as so pompous.
Haha - glad you liked him - I reallymust watch this as I have never seen him in action only gone by what some others have said about his manner as a consultant sometimes!
Hurdity x
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I stand by what I said about the two Professors (also Studd can dismiss sometimes, women who do not respond to his regimes)
I should have said in my opinion that I thought his TV persona was more watchable then the other guy.
I have had an MRI scan, Xray and DEXA and my bones are fine on 0.25 patch of estrogen, I have taken this dosage for over 15 years.
To my mind the two interviews only served to make women more confused and worried about HRT and the decision to take it or not.
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I did not watch it so can't comment. I just wish more women were actively involved.
No matter how eminent the doctors they cannot possibly understand what women go through.
I know our Dr Currie is involved in research but there seems to be a sad lack of well informed women.
Honeyb
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You could watch it via the link I posted Honeybun. 44 minutes in to the programme.
Taz :)
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Totally totally agree with you HB.
Women are all different and don't always respond as they are told they should with the theory and scientific papers. we all respond in our own unique way to drugs and regimes.
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I think a new law should be passed that only allows menopausal women to treat menopausal women ;D
Makes perfect sense to me.
Honeyb
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