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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: Suzi Q on April 04, 2013, 01:50:03 AM
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Well yesterday I got the train to the other side of town going through the city to see the Chiro backs s... to s... again
About 5 stops from where I live 2 late teens got on and started swearing f and c words
Man turned around and asked them politley to not use that language train comp was roughly half full
They then started to swear louder more obcene now I was sitting on an angle cos of my back and i could see them
One of them jumped up shouting f c gonna get you and sat next to a young girl trying to intimidate her and the man
She was sitting behined hm now I saw this and looke at the other lad he got somethng out of his pocket and I thought OH god hes going to attack this fella from behind now the train had stopped so up I jump left my bags and shoved my head outside and shouted for a GUARD One leapt on the train and I pointed to the lads and said these little bsds
They are swearing and using threatening behavioue well OH MY GOD these 2 went for me like the devil was inside them
Anger incandecent rage Ive never seen anythng like it in my life now I see why some pool peope get stomped to death
They were being held by 4 guards they were screaming abuse at me thed totaly forgotten the man now all they could see was someone had made them responasable theyw ere screaming weve got fk concession card YOU cant thwrow us of the train DOLE of course amebos these 2 were a perfect reason for the big A slime scum of the earth
Their faces showed you they came from the bottom of the gene pool They just couldnt get it someoe had not been scared and not just sat there like a stuffed dummy Then a NIgerian guard came up to me and said I was causing the trouble I said pardon theyve just said they are going to find me rape me kill me and Im the trouble I wont tell you what I said to him it maybe construed as being rasicist which it wasnt but some people are touchy He didnt go to the aid
He ran off the train saw him leggin it in to the pay booth So story goes on by thios time they were spitting gobs of u n
Kicking screaming It was beyong beleif they dragged them off the train and gurad shouted to me sit down which i was anyway they shut the doors NOW imagine if you will Im in the window seat they are on the platform
One of them takes a run at the train and literaly punches the window where I sat IT CRACKED
If that had been my face it would have had every bone broken in it we pulled out everyone but me was shaken
Now I no hero but I honestly thought they were going to attack the man and guess what he said nothng
While they were screaming hatred at me he sat with his head downcast The girl came and sat with me she was shaking
25 years ago entire carrige would have thrown lads on the floor and well u know NOT today people actually ignored it
Guard came up to me and said theyd called the police but hadnt been able to hold the lads theyd scarpered
So Ive been told by hubbie and son I cant use the train for a few weeks and as much as I hate to agree I do sad hey
IM A CURPHEY GIRL EVEN AT MY AGE YAYYYYYYYYY Clever or plain bloody stupid? latter I think xxxxxxx(maiden name)
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Horrified Suzi, and I though all teenagers in Australia were like the ones in Neighbours.
That experience was enough to give you Post Traumatic Stress!
Sorry your back pain is back.
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You did what I probably would have done. Acted instintively. At least the girl came to sit by you, maybe the man was too shocked to say anything, we don't know what problems he has. I would probably have stood up and asked if everyone else was OK, in order to break the ice.
But to blame you! ......... :foryou:
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I wondered about CCTV too and I am sure the guy would have had to have some medical attention to his hand. To break a train window with a hand is some feat and would probably have caused fractures. I'm afraid I wouldn't have taken them on - too many knives carried nowadays but well done you Suzi.
Taz x
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Thanks girls xxxxx
But it was stupid really it was just instinct I honestly thought they were going to attack him
Shock hit today though as in the old Betas came out not for anything id done it was of all things the window
I kept tihnking what if hed managed to get to me BUT he didnt so there ya go
I dont kow if the man was in shock I tink the carriage was cos I forgot to say when I shouted through the carriage door for a GUARDDDDDDDDDD I came in they screamed at me and gulp
I screamed back at them called them I think ? Get off the train you 2 bloody ignorant pigs and I did scream it hehehe
Taz He must have damaged his hand the widow bent in and a small crack apeared it was a mighty thud
Hope he bust his hand But today I thought they didnt get to me but bet they battered some poor sod last xxxxx
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Sad to say I would have turned the other way too. I am just too wary about knives.
Do you think they could have been on drugs?
You were lucky that you could call a guard even though they did not react the way you expected.
There was a case in this country a few years ago when a man on a train restrained a youth who was kicking off.
He was the one who was charged with assault. It's little wonder people don't want to get involved.
Honeyb
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Hun
for me its instinct call it my celtic Curphey or NIcholson call it my years in the Royal Navy with GUNS in Nrth Ireland
I dont kow I just did it didnt give a thought till today of the consequences I never did
I walked out of a pub in the 70s 5mins later it blew up killing quite afew service and civillian people
if id gone for a wee if Id had another ciggie If Id gne to the lavatory???? Who knows
I was the same at 20 as now Mum used to say I never thought she was right.
It wasnt brave it was stupid but I swear I didnt even think of the consequences for one moment I jsut did it
That is the Service training adrenaline switches on but I am nearer 60 even if I am size 12
AND look at least 5 years or more younger than my cousins and 10 compared to Ozzies (the sun)
Would I do it again probably Im an idiot hehehehe
They had something simmin Ozz a few years back someone went in and rescued someone from a kicking and kocked out attacker They too were charged BUT they elected to go to trial and no jury would convict them
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Suzi - you did what everyone would like to be able to do but do not for fear of reprisal and weapons.
I don't know what I would have done if I am honest. I might have wished I was a million miles away, or watched some bullying, but I genuinely do not think I could have watched someone being beaten up beside me. A you say, you did what you felt was instinctively right.
I think it is shocking but a modern day phenomenon that people are scared to get into something that is 'not their business' in case they are injured or killed. Weapons are frightening and unless visible are an unknown factor. Television portrays the same violence with people killed. People are afraid, stay back and so the violence is perpetuated.
I was sorry to read you had had such a reaction Suzi. You must have been shaken up inside, even if not visibly. Shame on the man who stood back and let you take the flack. I wondered if he was frozen with fear like many others might be. I am pleased the woman / girl came to sit beside you afterwards.
I think your husband is right - avoid the trains for a while, and let's hope their was CCTV and the police can find them. Sounds like they might already be known to the police.
On a similar note, my daughter when she was 13 had gone to visit her friend's grandmother and was stayovernight. She joined her friend and a group of friends in the very closeby park. While sitting laughing and chatting, a crazed girl came up, caught her from behind and assaulted her badly. She was kicked, punched, her head smashed off benches and climbing frame. The girl was crazed with drugs. She could not get away despite three of the crowd trying to pull the girl off her. It was a tall young rugby player who saw it from nearby who leapt the fence and had the strength to tackle her and get my daughter released. She ran like the wind. He literally saved her. Another girl was attacked in a phone box and her head and body kicked and jumped on so much that she ended up paralysed in hospital (her Mum traced me and phoned me). It was a debacle trying to get the police to find her and deal with her. She was 15 and in so much trouble with a very bad family home background. In the end, my daughter did not need to testify. They dealt with her under other charges. (I cannot remember the exact detail).
But like you did Suzi, my daughter may not have been alive if it had not been for someone having the courage to intervene. I am sure the man will reflect and appreciate what you did for him.
Fx
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In the 1970s I saw a man being beaten up in an alley by 2 other men, we were in a coach going to Wimbledon - the lads in our coach were cheering them on :o - to this day I wish I had jumped off the coach and helped :-\ ............ same as when I saw a dog being kicked in the street, that day I did say something. I quietly went up to the lad and asked 'is she being particularly naughty today?' and he sighed. It seemed that he wanted her to 'sit' on command but she didn't know how. So I walked her up and down, giving her bum a little touch so that she put it to the pavement. He watched in amazement. I then spoke to him in Welsh ;D (by this time he had calmed down) - then told him that he might as well tell her commands in Russian and she wouldn't understand, that there needed to be a certain amount of gentle guidance. We then walked up and down the pavement as he practised: by which time DH was driving round and round 'the block' looking for me :D until he got the hang of it. He agreed to go to the Vets./Pet shops to see if there were training courses in the locality.
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That's horrific Suzi, I think out of outrage I would have had to say something - but what a world when we then have to fear for our own safety.
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Suzi how awful, now I understand your other post. Well done for doing what you did. Lucky the train was at station but that guard beggars belief.
CLKD that was a brilliant response.
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It was that or take the pup away :o - but people when scared get angry. He probably felt that the pup was 'showing him up in public' ::). These reactions can't be planned or we wouldn't be brave at the time.
:medal: for SuziQ
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Suzi you did so so well.
The young girl came to sit with you, she obviously appreciated your bravery, you must have made her feel better.
I don't think I would have had your guts - well done
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Bet the dog was glad you intervened CLKD. Great result!
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Thanks. I hope that the young lad managed to find the support they both needed. If I see violence to any animal :cuss: I'm in there!
How are you today SuziQ?
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I remember seeing a woman smacking a toddler really hard because he was complaining his shoes were hurting him. She had lost the plot completely.
My OH had to be restrained from saying something to her.
It's difficult to not react but unless someone was in real trouble then I won't get involved.
Honeyb
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I hate seeing parents ignoring their children whilst out shopping, kids are usually grizzly because they are hungry ::). I watched a woman with a young lad of about 4 - it appeared hehad autism spectrum disorder and she was very calm, kept repeating what she wanted him to hear even though he was throwing a strop on the floor. Me, it was me that got angry ::) at his actions ..........
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Kids are usually grizzly because they are kids I reckon. What made you think he was on the Autistic spectrum CLKD? Lots of children throw tantrums without being autistic.
Taz x
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Good grief...mine could tantrum for Scotland.
I used to walk away and ignore them. When they don't get a reaction they generally stop.
All kids throw fits on occasions for a variety of reasons and for no reason at all.
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Because she told me. Explained that this was a regular occurrence when he was either hungry or not getting his own way. Explained that they had to travel this route which was a journey he objected to. But they had no other choice ::)
My sister would hold her breath until she turned blue >:( - she still has a temper :(
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I used to hold my breath until I passed out too - from the age of 2 - unfortunately my mum forgot to warn the babysitter...
Taz x ;D
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Fom yesterday sadly full blown fear in the morng and all day took 1/4 beta helped a bit
Today Saturday felt weird sickly lightheaded and scared heart racing so took 1/2 a one mid afternoon its now 5pm here
IM angry that I bohtered Im angry that I cant use the train Im angry that the fear has returned sh.... Im just angry
Hairdressers today ashe put bright red real red not orange streaks in my hair fancied something different and shorter
Did I do it to hide me? Phyc would probably say yes p off really am not that I tried to help but the feelings I feel now
Ive the dizzies tummy going over in fear as if Im going on a plane pulse racing
IM also light headed I even thought it was my heart even typing this my hearts going bang feel the pulse in my thorat
So yippeee I was going to phone the Poice on Monday see if the railways have made a complaint or charge
Geoffrey said not he said if you find out they didnt you will feel even worse I am just angry now
One bright spark though back wasnt half as bad today so didnt go to Chiro fro the emrgency appt
Just wish the feeling of fear would go though it has eased off 50% but its still there I ahte this panic feeling
Other wise ladies im fighting fit heheheheheh Have a lovely weekend everyone Love Suzanne aka Suzi Q the idiot :'(
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You're no idiot Suzi! I hope these awful feelings soon pass.
I don't know what I would have done. The problem now is that you never know whether someone has a knife and is on drugs. The mad way people behave now, drugs seems the most likely explanation.
Love to you. xx
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Usual reaction to a HUGE adrenaline surge. Fight or flight response kicked in at the time, you choose to fight. Deep breathing. Take the BBs as necessary. This won't last for ever. If you do phone the Police you may end up giving evidence should they catch them. Then the anxiety will rise again.
Be kind to you! You did your Duty and your body is now beginning to relax from all that adrenaline. Horrid feelings I know ......... walking a little. Rest a little. Deep breathing ........
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Suzi you are NOT an idiot, you are a star.
Would you be willing to give evidence, if they were caught? Stressful thing giving evidence..........
You have had a big shock, be kind to yourself.
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Bless ladies thank you xxxxxxxxxxxx
Yes I would give evidence Ive had to do it before
Once when I was in the Royal Navy cant tell you what but it was bad very bad
Second time our house was broken in too
Id taken my son to Prep school and came home a I opened the front door I could see the upstairs bedroom door open so I shut the door quietly Went over the road the chap got his 3 Alsations we walked over very quietly
I opened the front door and he sent the dogs in Bloody hell they were nearly eaten 3 Lads stealing
Police came bla bla bla and 2 months or so later I had to go to Chester Crown court they got 3 years this was 1976
Imagine that now Id have been prosecuted and they would have got off scot free
How times change remember our parent saying things like that wed roll our eyes ::) Now we are them :P :P :P
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Sadly, I think you are right about you being the one prosecuted now.
It was good they got 3 years.
Wasn't 1976 the year of the wonderful summer? - Sorry off topic - must concentrate
Will you contact the police on Monday?
Keep thinking calm thoughts
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Suzi you are not an idiot. You were extremely courageous. Now take care of YOU as CLKD has said.
Red streaks sound great, my colleague had proper red in dark brown hair. Looked absolutely fab :)
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Yep 1975 and 1976 were really, really hot: 1976 was the year of the ladybirds :o ;)
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Ah yes - year of heat and ladybirds.
Also the year when OH and I started "Associating"
They said it wouldn't last, but hey ho
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I was married in 1975 - 'they' said it wouldn't last too :rofl: who'd thunk ;)
I had a very nasty temper when young, had to learn to control it. Any other Man would have walked away :-\ ....... but we learnt together :-*
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I remember the horrible heat and some areas having no water so had standpipes in the street.
I don't talk about the seventies much. Not a good decade for me. :( I had to wait until 1981 before my life turned around, when I was 25.
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So BOB - moving forwards is good? I think our past makes our future ;)
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As the Buddha said, our past formed our present, and our present forms our future, so only the present matters. Difficult to hold that thought though!
Anyway, Suzi, how are you now?
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Sadly, I think you are right about you being the one prosecuted now.
It was good they got 3 years.
Wasn't 1976 the year of the wonderful summer? - Sorry off topic - must concentrate
Will you contact the police on Monday?
Keep thinking calm thoughts
75 76 and 77 went from hotter to hotter
1976 Summer Blinded by the light warpped up like a rover in the Night Manfred Man never figured that ot?
1976 Elton John (be for he became a badtempered queen) and Kiki Dee Dont go breaking my heart
1975 10cc Im mnto in Love so dont forget its just the funy thing I going though AND LADY BIRDS EVERYWHERE
1977 HOT again Rumours Fleetwood Mac Eagles Chicago If you leave me now MY entire life is based around songs
POTS 50p a lb Thats when people started eating rice and pasts Pots were horrificly priced
Ugly Ray Ter With his Orange Suede ETYPE youd see him all over Cheshire he was TOP and bug clubs in NW
Thems was the days xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Suzi " Blinded by the light warpped up like a rover in the Night Manfred Man never figured that ot?"
It's "blinded by the light, revved up like a deuce another runner in the night"
Taz x :lol:
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Suzi " Blinded by the light warpped up like a rover in the Night Manfred Man never figured that ot?"
It's "blinded by the light, revved up like a deuce another runner in the night"
Taz x :lol:
I knew it was blined by the light wrapped up licke a DOUCH and a rover in the night hehehehehehe
No I seem to remember them saying it made no sense it was the only thing of word that matched hehehehe
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Lots of good songs then
Chicago - If you leave me now - was "our song".
But then again so was Joan Armatrading - Love and affection. Are we shallow or just fickle? ::)
A couple years later, 1980, really liked Dire Straits Romeo and Juliet. Especially the line
You shouldn't come round here singing up at people like that - still makes me laugh
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Our song is
Eagles I cant tell you why
ACE How LONG
Carole King TApestry the entire album
Crosby Stills Nash and Young the album with wooden Ships which i only heard a few years ago was written about
Holcoaust Also has Marakesh Express they all were 72/73
David Bowies anything before Spiders Glass 1884? sih
Its odd how many groups from the 80s are still asround How many singers male and female that made it in the early 80s
Madonna??? All the Groups new age died a death and can now be found doing get back togetehr tours
The 90s was better Stone Roses Oasis Coldplay and the Boy bands etc but still not that many
No the age was 60s and 70s and a good 50% of them are still around still making music thats as rel today as then
I loved the kinks and loved ELO but my groups THE CURE im an old goth
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Oh such memories <sigh> :P .......... Waterloo Sunset ;D
How are you today SuziQ?
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Is it Monday yet with you SuziQ, have you contacted the police...?
As CLKD says how are you?
Don't push yourself
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Its Monday now amd Im feeling still zippy saredy cat feeling so Im back on the 1/2 beta monring and evening
It should go in a week or 2 it really must have upset me far more than I thought? Weird hey ladies?
No contact Geoffreys refused he said you did a daft thing but the right thing leave it now try to forget hes right!
No Im taking it easyish
Ive 2 electricians in the garden and a TV Ariel is here We have had to put a new ariel up on the new roof over the back balconey
Just had the Telstra man here (BT) to mend the phones rain had gone in to the cables
Ive got 2 Builders outside as well doing the building work yayyyyyyy NOT wish theyd all hurry up and finish
6 weeks this Thursday its been quick but also a LONGGGGGG time it all should be more or less finished by Sat afternnon
Exept for reasembling new shed We are having new concrete down the sheds got a solid base floor with it for storage
Yes takign it easy NOT: Ive been PManager on all of building works god knows how the women on GD do a HOUSE?
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Argghh, house full of workmen not the best thing for stress is it Suzi? Hope it's soon done and dusted and you can start to relax.
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Men around certainly can add to stress levels >:( ........ it's all that T that they require ::)
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Sod that for a game of soldiers they get 2 coffees a day end of hehehe IM serious did I miss an e off?
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You've got them sorted then ;D ............
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Oh yes you bet your cotton socks I play the petite damoselle
Cos Im so small even the builder whos younger than my son treats me like glass
Im not being funny but its true men and women treat me the same as if Im some very delicate bit of china
Thing is none of them know me you on here probably know the real me more than 95% of my pals do IM secretive
I play a game I never ever hurt people I dont like gossip if im in a situation where people are gossiping
I just say Im sorry but Ive no problem with so and so and they accept it from me they say things like
Oh Suzy your so nice thats why they arent nasty to you inside Im thinking you aint got a bloody clue of the real me!!!
Id like to say they dont say ahything nasty about me cos they have no reason to I keep my own council
I tell knowone about me inside bar a very selct fw who Ive known for year and years who if anythng was ever said
I could hang them out to dry NOT that I ever would people tell me things and CLKD Ive no idea why
Sometimes I wish they wouldnt remember when my pals hubie killed himself last year ? I hate kowing why he did it
So back to the builders electricians PLumbers Telstra men I court them I dont flirt wouldnt know how if I tried
I dont exactly play the dumb women but I somehow get them to do exactly what I want by being nice and sweet
They dont wak all over me the reverses today Monssonal rain yet I had 3 builders working in MUD
The electricians wrere going to go and I sort of said OHHHH They stayed and carried on all of them in Tropical rain
I look at it they are being well paid if I use anti femiist wiles to get my way and i can get away with it why the ... not
Did the same with Bobbles today I changed the plans to the side of the extension from open to the elements
To enclosing them with wood slats ceiling to floor so no rain can get in Plans were having them open it rained Sunday
The new decking got soaked and I got on CAD and looked and realised Bobbles maybe an enginneer but hed forgot
Hed forgot deck is 6 inches above the ground so you have to almost jump down to get to the grass NO STEP
He didnt think about that He didnt thnk that if the monssonal rain comes it comes in at the sides too
Imagine paying 20.000 pounds to find your extension didnt stop you getting wet which is why we did this to begin with
So me took over today with the builders giving them new checks and new slat size and said ceiling to roof
They didnt say Is that OK with Geoffrey NOPE they just did it Leccies werent gong to fit the Deck lights in for 3 weeks
NOPE tomorrow I said I want all the electrical work finished by 5pm OK 4 men 7am tomorrow done by 4pm thank you
Today all of them saw a different Suzy my fanny is screaming weee weee after a row with Bobbles yesterday
Still got the fear and skippies so in no mood to be ahh hehehehe no firm very today they must think im skitso
Im not me and myself are very happy to be together xxxxxxxx
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You Go Girl ;D
How are you treating the 'soreness'?
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Well Suzi at least having the builders round is keeping your mind off other things.
Have you told Bobbles you've corrected his plans?
Go Girl Go!
How's your back as well as the "girly bits"?
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Good for you SuziQ.
No-one can demand respect.... they have to earn it..... well done Suzi
Hope you find relief for your pain.
Fx
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Fanny OK today it was nerves
Heart still racing took 1/2 Beta this morning its eased but not gone looked in last years diary when I had an attack
It took 29 days to go and when it goes it just GOES I wake up no feeling of fear
Ive only had it since Thursday or Friday forgot to put it in my daily diary
I must have souded dead skitso Geoffrey came home an hour ago for 15 mins to check
Leccies were driving me nuts wheres this wheres that I dont blasted know Why dont you know they sort of cringed!!!!
Anyway yayyyyyyy its 1.15pm and theve finished 3 hours early I probably scared hang on going to write a cheque
Theyve gone yayyyyyy now its just the Builder Josh and his off sider Hes taking down the shed almost there now
Try to concentrate on breathing last night in bed the Beta wore off I didnt go to bed till 1.30am took it at 5.30
So I just lay there breathing in through my nose and out through my mouth PUSH ladies remember that?
Kept myself busy but can still see that bloody fist and Ive not been out of the house alone since last Wednesday?
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It will take time. You had a HUGE adrenaline rush!
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Thanks Sweetie
Its weird last year it came back the night we were in NSW a gang of us and I awake at 3am to a fist fight
Right outside the Motel screams and running someone fell against the door and whossh next morning it was there
As I said 29 days it lasted please hope it dont last that long this time
I posted a letter this late aftenoon and my legs ached just going to the post office
Oddly or maybe not this year my legs have been aching very easitly I suppose its age and the fact Im no longer walking 12klms a week Have to slowly get back i to walking I mean its no biggie 300yrds is the BEACH IM just lazy :-*
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I have gotten lazier too, with all the rain in the UK during 2012 I gave up walking which usually I love. We went for a long stroll on Sunday and I am determined to help my whole body by getting out anda bout more often.
I have read this week "The Lost Child" ........ certainly an eye opener in how self centred and controlling young people can be!
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A couple years later, 1980, really liked Dire Straits Romeo and Juliet. Especially the line
You shouldn't come round here singing up at people like that - still makes me laugh
Me too - I really like that line. "Singing up at people like that" - Makes me smile too.
ariadne xx
Sorry - was ctaching up and didn't notice how far back that post was so probably doesn't make much sense now I've posted it. :(
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Not to worry ......... ;D - I often need to trawl back a couple of pages tos ee what myself has written ::)
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Ariadne - it makes perfect sense
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I have to as well cos I forget what someones said hehehehe
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Not to worry ......... ;D - I often need to trawl back a couple of pages tos ee what myself has written ::)
I thought it was only me! More worryingly, I do it at work. I read something and think "I wonder who wrote that" and then am surprised when I see it is me. Bit scary though
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Last week I opened the frige to ut the washing in heheheheh