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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: lizzog on August 31, 2012, 07:08:33 AM
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We got a crazy border Lakeland rescue four years ago when he was a loopy adolescent of 18 months old. It's been a rough ride and we have finally bitten the bullet and are collecting a 10 week old jrt cross pup this weekend.
She's been brought up on a farm by the campsite we stayed on, so has been used to being handled by kids. Her mum who we met was lovely and calm, but the farmer didn't know dad 8) so that one is a mystery.
Any tips for socialising the puppy and how to intro the two of them.
I am panicking like mad and the stress has set off my ibs. What have I done?
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Hi lizzog. We did the same thing in Feb this year. We've got a very spoiled Sheltie who is was 6 at the time. We thought it would be nice for her to have some company during the day and younger daughter had always been promised her own pup. Anyway we took on a cross from Dogs trust, she was quite small......she turned out to be a Greyhound cross! We really worried about introducing new pup to existing dog. Just make sure there is not to much going on when you do it. No visitors or wee ones. Let the dogs have all your attention. We left the fuss making to the daughter and we made sure older dog didn't feel left out.
Eddie. X
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Yep agree with Edddie, also make sure your Lakeland has somewhere to go to escape from the pup when he needs a bit of peace. Don't make too much fuss of the pup in front of Lakeie so no jelousy occurs. We always had two or three dogs in the past and loved it. We just have a little King Charles now.
Enjoy :scottie:
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Two bundles of terrier energy :) we have a cross Lakeland/westie although he's more westie looking.
Your new one is still a baby so it shouldn't be too difficult to establish the rules as there has been no owner programming before you.
Make sure your boy is seen to first when needing food or putting on a lead for going out or being given a treat. That way he won't feel pushed out and resent the new pup. Be firm with him over who owns what ... Bowls, beds, blankets so he doesn't walk right over her needs.
Play with both of them and encourage their play together with ball, tugger etc.
Have fun. Let's us know how things go.
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Love Terriers :) I have 2 Patterdales.
Put older dog always first for food, lead, fusses etc and try not to interfere in any interactions unless absolutely necessary as the older dog will put pup in it's place until pack order established.
Good luck and I hope you have many happy years with your dogs :)
Smudgesmum xx
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Thanks for all your replies!i love terriers, nice to meet like minded people,as they come in for a lot of stick! Will be getting her this weekend so will update next week!
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Hope all goes well and I am slightly jealous. We've always had dogs and for the last few years, always little X Terriers. We currently have just one and he's about 12. He has just had 8 teeth out and is recovering. He had 15 out 4 years ago too poor little thing.
When we brought him home to our other bitch (also Terrier X) we had a right old kerfuffle. She was probably the nicest, most easy-going dog we'd ever had but she took one look at the new pup and hated him on sight. She went for him every time we put them outside and it was so bad that my husband had to take her to work with him so that she wouldn't kill him.
We tried and tried and were really patient but she was having none of it. After a week I thought we'd have to find another home for the pup and said as much to the family.
I put them out on the lawn (guarding the pup) and waited for the fight to start and ...... nothing. Our older dog went slowly over to the pup and sniffed him and then started bouncing slightly away from him inviting him to chase her. He obliged and from then on they were best pals and never, ever fought again. She died a few weeks off her 18th year which was about 2 years ago and now we're down to one.
Let us know how it goes and hope you have many happy years to come with them both.
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On neutral ground, always. You should have taken your current dog to meet the pup before making any decisions ::) ........... several times before bringing it home.
Choose somewhere with lots of safe space. Then let them run ............ they will sort themselves out and if necessary, using a crate at night to keep the pup from mithering the older dog might be useful.
Let us know how you get on!
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Yes I am planning on the neutral ground introduction. Sadly our dog couldn't come away with us so didn't meet her. He's always fine with females, I wouldn't have been able to get another male, no way!
I have a dog crate for the puppy, plus a play pen, so they can be separated and he has somewhere he can get away from her if it all gets too much for him...
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Hi lizzog
Our springer spaniel is nearly ten and my son was living away from home 3 years ago and got a puppy springer. He brought him for visits and our dog never paid much attention to him. Then 2 years ago my son came back home, so the two dogs had to share the house and us. We always got their dishes of food ready on the bunker and put their bowls down for them at the same time. Our dog is really laid back and got out of the way when the pup was bounding around as he's full of beans. The pup always tried to get out the door to the garden first and tried to bite our dog's ankles! Got a row for it, but still tried it all the time! My son and his dog have just moved out again, but his dog wasn't settling as theirs on his own during the day - he was howling, even though we all popped in to be with him for some of the day so he now brings him here in the morning and collects him at dinner time. He's always had a cage and our dog never, but our dog likes a shot of the cage and they often go in it together so I'd say that they get on fine. Enjoy the two, they all have their own personalities. 8)
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On neutral ground, always. You should have taken your current dog to meet the pup before making any decisions ::) ........... several times before bringing it home.
Choose somewhere with lots of safe space. Then let them run ............ they will sort themselves out and if necessary, using a crate at night to keep the pup from mithering the older dog might be useful.
Let us know how you get on!
We didn't go out that day planning to come home with a puppy! We went to a massive gypsy horse sale and, although they're not supposed to sell anything other than horses, they had chickens, ferrets, ducks, puppies, kittens etc for sale. There were about 6 of these puppies in a box and, after we'd walked round for a few hours, he was the last puppy of the litter left and looked so pitiful and alone. There was no way I could leave without him as I'd have wondered for ever more what kind of home he went to. All worked out in the end. :)
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Tugged at your heart strings then PennyF :-* ......... photos ?
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This was similar. Went camping in Wales and came back with a puppy. The farmer wanted rid as they weren't pure jrt so..... ;)
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It's the puppy eyes. Gets you every time ::)
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Puppy smell :-*
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Well, she's arrived, and boy don't we know!
She was fab in the car, by older dog has Impressed me and been very tolerant of her, and only given her a well deserved telling off when she tried to pinch his food!
She's still crying in the night, but I hope that will settle once she gets used to us.
I am knackered though, it's like having a baby again ;D
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:) it's all good fun. Have you tried a hot water bottle for pup at night, a teddy bear and a ticking clock?
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I have tried all those but don't seem to make much difference at moment...
Hoping it will pass. She's only spent one night here with us, the other two nights were down at my friend's house where I picked her up from, so I guess she's had to get used to another place. She had already been separated from her mum for a week but not one of her litter mates.
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We tried the clock and hot water bottle, but when he kept crying after 4 nights or so, OH went and gave him a row and he was fine from then on!
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I am sure she will soon settle Lizzog it's early days for her and she has been through a lot for a pup. Best to try and ignore the crying, difficult I know :-[. It usually stops after a few days.
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Don't ignore the crying, dogs are pack animals. Put her in your room so that she can smell and hear you. As she settles gradually move her outside onto the landing. Backwards in coming forwards ;). My dog slept in our room from about 2 weeks after we got her and she was never any more trouble. Would you want to be alone in a strange house >:(
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Maybe try putting something with your scent on in her bed. Bit like a comfort blanket
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I'm sure that she'll soon settle, especially with your other dog around. Do they sleep in the same room as each other?
I'd say it's best for her to get used to her own bed as soon as possible as that becomes a "safe" place. Our puppies have always started with their bed inside a cage; open most of the time but closed when they slept during the day so that they got used to that and then closed at night. We have the biggest cage there is, big enough for large full-grown dog, so a puppy bed takes up less than half of it and there's plenty of room for toys, bowls and moving around.
Bette x
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How did your night go Lizzog? Any better?. Personally we have never put any of our new puppies in the bedroom with us, I have had friends who have and they have gone on to have have problems trying to break that habit.
Personanal choice I know.
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We had a much better night. She slept from 10.30 to 6 with only 10 mins of crying at bedtime. They are both together in the kitchen/dining room, my older dog is free to roam but she is in a crate with the door open and a pen around it. I left a light on, out an old t shirt wrapped around a clock and a warm cuddle toy. My dog is being a star with her, he is being very tolerant. Will take them out separately for now then after her second injection will get her out too. We are making sure she is socialised with lots of different things, she's great with kids and everyone she has met so far :)
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Good I am pleased for you,sounds like she is settling down :)
Have you ever thought of going to puppy socialising and training classes. We did with our last puppy and we had so much fun as did the dog. :)
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Yes my local vets are doing one and a sort of "youth club" their words. It mine :), so will be going to that. At the moment my dog is being abit antisocial towards her, hoping that will change. He's pretty much ignoring her! Have lots of friends with sociable dogs so she won't miss out!
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More advice needed please! We are nearly two weeks in of our two dog ownership! Night times have been interesting....after a few nights of crying, we thought we'd cracked it only to discover the pup had managed to get out of her pen and was sleeping with the older dog. Ever since then they have settled well together at night, the older sleeping in the puppy's crate ::) and she's in his bed!
On the whole she is pretty good with him, but then has a mad blast of energy and pesters him like mad. He grumbles and growls, and I don't know whether to let them sort it out, or try and resolve it before things get worse.
I make sure he gets fed first, walked separately as she can't go down on the ground yet, fussed over, etc.
How long have other dog owners found it takes for this to settle?
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My sons dog who is 3 now, still tries to bite our dog's ankles when having a 'daft turn' - he's nearly 10, but mostly ignores this or growls when he's had enough - although we usually intervene. It's never come to them fighting, so even though the older dog growls, I don't think he'd go for him. After all, they are the only ones of their species in the house, think they're closer than we'd think.
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They usually sort themselves out ;) ..........
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Please remember that chocolate can kill dogs! and keep them away from the poultry etc., don't want upset tummies !!! ;)
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Think you have this sorted now a bit late to reply! You have done all the right things & they do sort themselves out. Its best to not hesitate but just let them go & try not to show that you are scared with body language. As long as the older dog has some me time if he is being pestered but generally the older dog will benefit & the younger dog will grow up quicker by copying.
I have 5 dachshunds, one girl called Holly staying for Christmas to get mated. Four x month old pups & a kitten! Must be mad as I like an immaculate house. Plus the kids of course!! Just make sure you get a good wormer from the vets as she has come from a farm she may not be free of worms. It is like having a baby you are quite right, the pups sleep in my bedroom for the full 10 weeks but start coming downstairs in the day after a month. Sleep is limited! There is nothing nicer than watching dogs having a play & then a little snooze together, its a great help for anxiety if you are feeling down. Good luck with the potty training in this weather!! I am sure you will have it cracked in the New Year if only pups where like kittens!! xx
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We got a crazy border Lakeland rescue four years ago when he was a loopy adolescent of 18 months old. It's been a rough ride and we have finally bitten the bullet and are collecting a 10 week old jrt cross pup this weekend.
She's been brought up on a farm by the campsite we stayed on, so has been used to being handled by kids. Her mum who we met was lovely and calm, but the farmer didn't know dad 8) so that one is a mystery.
Any tips for socialising the puppy and how to intro the two of them.
I am panicking like mad and the stress has set off my ibs. What have I done?
We got our black lab just over a year ago, we kept him in a crate when we got him as my girl is dog aggressive. Before we brought him home, I took my girl to the park and we brought foster along and walked them back to the house so they met on neutral ground. We then let them in the garden but partitioned it off and I kept an eye on my girl. It all went well. Night time he was in his crate, she was let loose in the house. By day three she did have a pop at hi. As she was on my knee and he wanted to get up. Apart from that they are brilliant together. He is now boss and he tells her off. Only time it's got nasty is with bones, they don't get them often but we keep them separate, and it's him that growls at her
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Do they need bones?
Your Girls a Staffie ??? - I met several yesterday, all great characters ;)
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No the jones were a treat
Yes my girl is a staffie, she just has issues with other dogs
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MANY Staffies do - they were bred for bull baiting and some lines tend towards aggressive natures sadly. As you are aware of that fact, what do you have to do when out and about to keep her safe? I know one owner who takes her Staffie out with dogs that do not react when he has a temper tantrum ………. but needs to watch if they meet other dogs so she keeps him on a lead then.
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Controversial I know but I don't like Staffies or anything that resembles one. I have yet to meet one that does not have an issue of some sort. I have heard there are no bad dogs only bad owners but this breed has a rotten reputation. I have had a variety of dogs in my life from Irish Setters to Goldies and now a Bichon. All of these breeds are reliable, good with people and other dogs.
We have one town that's about twenty miles from us that has a bit of a reputation for drug problems. Why do all the neds have Staffie type dogs. A few little pets have been killed in the high street from attacks.
Honeyb
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Years ago, when I was about 11, it was Alsations that were used as guarding dogs. I had a run-in with 2 which managed to get off their chains, I knew they were kept in the lorry yard but the gate was open. It is thought that the dogs chains were cut ........ as they jumped up at me I hit them with the Village magazine ;D and they went off howling. Shock I think ..... the owner, who I knew vaguely, was really upset but it wasn't the problem it could have been.
25+ years ago it was popular for 'drug' types to have Dobes, Rotts; then Akitas ....... now Staffies, American Bulldogs and larger bull-dog types.
I met 4 Staffies yesterday, 3 running off-lead together with their owners close by and non were troublesome. In fact, I have NEVER met a 'bad' Staffie. They make great Pat-dogs as they love people and responsible owners who are aware if their particular Staffe has problems, will keep him/her on a lead or walk them with calmer dogs or away from other dogs.
Sadly Pit-bulls got a bad reputation too. The breed that is more liable to bite the Vet. is a Goldie ::) .......... I had my spaniel to help improve the image of dogs as in 1988 they were getting really bad Press. That is why Pro-dog charity was set up. Mine was a PAT-dog and she went on display stands, talks, visiting in order to raise awareness, to counteract the bad publicity.
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Rubbish CLKD. Goldies just don't bite, it's not in their nature.
When did you ever hear/read of anyone savaged by a Golden Retriever. Staffies and like breeds should be kept on a lead at all times.
Honeyb
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Sadly all dogs can bite any size any breed but obviously it is the biggest ones that do the damage. My Old boy Timmy onced nipped my daughter as she was parading her new black wet suit & came into the room like a huge whirlwind. I had to see it from Timmy's point of view. I put my dogs on a lead to protect them from other dogs, some people have no idea x
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Well yes they all can and that was a bit of a sweeping statement to say Goldies don't bite. ::)
It's unusual though. I have had one. Shown her, so been in show rings with dozens of them. A friend breeds them and I have yet to meet one with an uncertain temprament.
My Irish Setter on the other hand was nuts and not to be trusted especially around children.
Honeyb
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I guess you have not seen HoneyB the episode of the Golden Lab on Caesar that is food aggressive, seriously not good and savaged his hand and arm. Would I then say labs are dangerous, no. Judge the deed and not the breed
My staff was a competition flyball dog and very successful it all changed when she was attacked twice on two occasions and it all went pear shaped. She is kept on lead and wears her yellow dog high vis coat stating " I need space" sadly it does not detract those owners with dogs that just are off lead. I do my bit as a responsible owner. If my girl is introduced to other dogs in a supervised manner and controlled, it's ok, out of control dogs it's an issue
I bought a lab puppy, they are now BFF and best thing I ever did. She is happy, calm and content, but I never take it for granted with other dogs.
Look up Wallace the Pitt or Jambo the Trick Staffie, many of these type are also PAT dogs and a staffie has been the latest recruit into the police force as a sniffer dog. A percentage of dogs in all breed types are susceptible to biting, however the difference is clearly the power to cause more damage than others.
Take the case of the rescue staff pup, abused, starved and near death. Rescued and brought back to full health, trained and socialised and a very happy dog. It was reported to the police purely based on its look, the dog was taken away, its breed could not be 100% clear even though it had done nothing wrong but be abused by humans it was destroyed after its short and unhappy start in life
Please try and see beyond the media hype, as I said at the begining judge the deed and not the breed a lot of innocent dogs are losing their life because of the way they look
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Babypink - that was a very good post. Honeybun - ask Vets which breeds they get bitten by the most ;) ..........
What we need to remember is what the dog was bred for initially. These needs should be taken in consideration when choosing specifics, anticipation of events is probably the hardest issue, keeping one step ahead when mine was a pup was quite tiring. I was lucky with my cocker, no rage syndrome, a loving pet, good PAT-dog ........ she only ever went after another dog in a nasty manner because this particular collie, for years, had been giving her 'mouth' each time we walked past their gate: one day my Girl had had enough and 'got her own back' ::) .........
We also need to treat our dogs as dogs and not put human feelings on them, though sometimes it is hard to do. Like when mine learned to stamp her feet ;D at aged 10 years ........... would sit on her bum and stamp her front paws on the ground if I were late feeding her ;D ..........
Glad your Lab has calmed your Staffie too.
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Funnily enough I met my friend who has five vet practices in my area. I told her about the conversation we had been having as asked what dogs were the worse to handle.
She said little ones in particular. Not because of the breeds but the way they are trained. She said she does not take any chances with the bull terrier types as they have strong crushing jaws. That's the way she trains her students.
I asked about Golden Retrievers and she laughed and said she was more scared of Poodles.
Honeyb
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Small poodles or the Standards? Standards were bred as Gun-dogs, I had a yearning to work one a few years ago. But not the energy ::).
I have a hankering for a pair of whippets .......... :-X
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I think she meant the little ones CLKD.
I have a friend who has two standards. Huge strong things who take a lot of exercise.
Whippets always look cold to me. How about a rescue greyhound.
Honeyb
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Nope. DH won't consider another dog. Our life-style right now doesn't accommodate pets anyway. Whippets are for rabbits so need to be slim ;)
Standard Poodles should not be strong, they should be worked on hand signals and whistles as they are gun dogs. They need mental stimulus as well as physical exercise. Also they don't moult. The first time I blew a stop whistle my cocker turned round and sat, I thought 'cracked it' - it was another 3 months before she did it again ;D - I think the sudden noise shocked her ::)
I had dogs in the house for 21 years so we are having a break!
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Funnily enough my friend has two Yorkies, the little female is a snappy little thing and the male barks, growls and jumps up. Because of the size of them its ok, but I got a nip from the female and it hurt but I didn't do anything about it.
Having a dog is a huge commitment, I got my girl as a companion, just so happened she took to flyball and agility. I enjoyed it but I was breaking as I was running a home, working full time and looking after a dog and horse, it became too much and with her ending up dog aggressive it became too much.
Now we have lots of walks, kisses and cuddles and outdoors things to do at the stables and summer is brilliant we stay out until 9pm.
I have however decided she wil be my last dog, I lost Jaffa my cat 18 months ago and he was just divine, I miss him so much but never replaced its impossible. My horse, he will be the last too
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We have altered our complete life-style since we became pet-less. It seemed wrong to me to go places that wouldn't allow dogs :'( and there are still some walks that I haven't been on, too many memories .........