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Menopause Discussion => Other Health Discussion => Topic started by: Hurdity on May 27, 2012, 02:11:33 PM
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I just thought I would start a new topic on this re comment by silverlady as it was raised on another thread and I wanted to talk about it further but going off topic.
I still have a lot left, at the time I found it too strong for me, now I use a minute amount mixed in a pot of face cream to use on my face a couple of times a week.
silverlady x
I was initially extremely worried about this, thinking of all sorts of dangerous things that could happen - especially if used alongside conventional HRT in an unregulated manner. However since having a read about it now intrigued to know firstly do you notice if it has made a difference to your skin and secondly have there been any side effects eg excessive skin pigmentation?
Also has anyone else tried this and what has been the result - I've only had a quick look on the net and there have been some trials on using Estriol and Estradiol on the face and its effect on aging - eg wrinkle depth, elasticity etc. Not sure if they were placebo controlled or not but I wouldn't have thought a placebo could actually affect things like this....
By raising this I wouldn't want to advocate its general use (especially oestrogel) but it looks like Estriol (which is much much weaker as an oestrogen than estradiol - as contained some vaginal creams) has the potential to have a positive effect on skin without systemic effects... Maybe I will find something that counters this when I look further but still interested in what others have done or think about this.
Hurdity x
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Here is some info http://www.drmirkin.com/women/8211.html
I do mix a tiny amount of vaginal cream with rose Vaseline to make lip balm for my lips and it does plump them up. It lasts forever.
I will copy and paste from my other post here.
"I mix a tiny tiny bit in a pot of face cream. Dr Currie in the MM mag suggested that bioidenticals could even be appied to to the face (I can't remember the exact words) in the article about bio identical hormones.
Gel works very well for that, natural progesterone can be used the same way. I am not preaching about it just saying what I do. Its probably homeopathic quantities but it makes a good skin cream and works for me"
I am a bit wary about talking about this on MM in case of being blasted but on power-surge the girls discuss this and are very interested.
Hormone face creams are not new even Marilyn Monroe used them.
If you look on this forum you will lots pf people talking about this http://www.smartskincare.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=20
silverlady x
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Thanks for the info.
I can't find any mention of using estradiol on the face in the recent article on bio-identical hormones by Dr Currie. I can only find this one from a link on this website?
http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/pdf/magArticle4.pdf
This particular article urges caution in using "bio-identical hormone therapy" (as practised in the US) and recommends conventional HRT until further research is carried out.
Maybe there was an earlier article? If so do you know how to find it or do you have a copy (ie in e-format)?
I would have thought it would be very unwise for anyone to start using oestrogel on their face because it is designed to be absorbed systemically so would add to your overall oestrogen levels which need to be opposed by sufficient progesterone. It is far too concentrated (for this purpose) and may have some adverse effects on the skin too - I haven't looked for any up to date studies yet. It would be difficult to regulate the amount - of course if you have no womb this is not so much of a worry, but still I would not risk it personally. There doesn't appear to be a vaginal (ie cream) containing oestradiol - presumably because of the risks, which is why vagifem is a tablet for vaginal use.
Re the link you put up - thanks - I get the gist but she does sound a bit cranky to me - a proponent of compounding pharmacies and for example recommending using Premarin powder mixed in your face cream!! How weird is that? Horse oestrogens on your face?
I can see the potential for a little bit of Estriol cream sufficiently diluted, if there are no warnings of adverse effects used in this way though especially as one of the vaginal creams is already very weak (Gynest)
It would be good to see some up to date studies - but I am also interested in what women are actually doing regarding this, as well.
Hurdity x
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As I said I am not preaching about it and I would never use estrogel neat on my face and I did say I used the tiniest amount added to a pot of cream.
I can't remember which MM magazine it was and I pass all my mags on, I do remember it was about bioidenticals and this was mentioned and I remember thinking we had had a discussion on MM about it.
As I have said I don't really like discussing this on MM, there is plenty information if anyone is interested on the web and on a lot of forums.
Its for people to decide for themselves, I could go providing links but I think there will always be criticism and for and against.
We only have a proportion of women on here who would be interested anyway.
Facial fillers seem to provoke similar reaction , somethings are best kept beauty secrets :)
silverlady x
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Just to add to what I said and Cassie's comment on the other thread below:
I know I read somewhere that the French ladies rub it on their cellulite areas and it apparantly helps, you should rub it in slowly and deeply and any bits left over on your hands can be wiped off on your neck or your face apparantly, it is good for the skin!
Yes I think this is the point re using on the face - any bits left over - so you would not be giving yourself any extra if it was whatever was left over from the pumped dosage.
I did read that it can cause excessive skin pigmentation such as in pregnancy, when used on the face - and it looks like the French women Cassie reports have a cavalier attitude towards it, using it neat like that!
Hurdity x
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So I cant go sticking my patches on my wrinkles then :o
I think it sounds very interesting. I dont have too many wrinkles (yet) but my under eye area is a bit iffy and my jaw line is blurry now.
Holding back the years without surgery......hmmmm.....yes please.
Honeyb
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honeybun - I don't think you are supposed to use anything like this anywhere near the eyes
meno-me you are not gormless
Bio-identical - the true meaning of the word is a compound which is chemically/biologically the same as the one we have in our body.
So - estradiol in many of the HRTs is bio-identical to our own oestradiol, but it is synthesised from a similar compind extracted from soy or yam.
Utrogestan contains micronised progesterone - and again this is the same molecule that is found in our bodies, and again synthesised I think from soy or yam - I'm never sure which!
This is not to be confused with "bio-identical hormone therapy" - a term used in the US for something similar but it is a commercial thing where women get special compounding pharmacies to make up an formula of these horomnes supposedly made to measure by saliva testing of their own hormones - which is not credited as accurate. I also understand that they are unregulated. They pay vast amounts of money for this when bio-identical hormones are available. We are a long way from being able to personalise our hormone doses (eg depending on our own levels and our weight) and this would be notoriously difficult. Someone will probably tell me I have got it wrong - the American system - but I think Dr Currie summarised it in her article
Hmm Susan that's a thought - perhaps they have researched it more - otherwise where would they have got the idea from? (to spread it on their face). Does sound like a mad and somewhat dangerous idea - using oestrogel - unless they rub their hands in some other cream first ....
Hurdity x
oops Susan I posted the same time and said the same thing in a rather wordy way - I can't seem to be brief about these things!
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Oh Honey Bun, you had me giggling so early on a Monday morning, not a bad thing at all mind! I just picture you with a nice little Oestrogen patch over a strategic, stray wrinkle lol!! :)
I would also be a bit hesitant about just using randon Oestrogen in my face cream but as I said, the little miniscule bit that is left over after I have done my rubbing in, I usually just wipe off on my neck and face, it has never caused pigmentation, but then cannot think that it would as I have a fair amount circulating in my body already, remember Oestrogel sort of builds up, until you get an ideal level circulating in your system, I guess too much could cause pigmentation, but think that was more linked to the Progesterone, not sure really!
Overall, my hair and skin seem to be ok, I have never been blessed with thick hair but the hair loss does seem a bit better since I went onto the Gel. What I am pretty sure of though is, had I not chosen to take any HRT, my skin would have looked a damn side older!
I got very excited about the cellulite story, but sadly, I have not noticed that it has helped that side of things. I also massage it into my butt area sometimes, plenty of fat there to take it up lol!
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Hi Hurdity
I'm glad I spotted this thread. Guess what I've been experimenting with for the last few days? ;) ;D
Since I've become post meno (last 12 months) I've noticed my face has started to look, well, old!!! Shrivelled and wrinkly!! >:( I hate looking in the mirror. I'm not on full HRT and the lack of oestrogen in my body is clearly showing on my face! >:(
I have some gynest cream left over from last summer when I couldn't get hold of any ovestin (gynest didn't work well enough down there for me). So what I've been doing is mixing a tiny amount of the gynest with my usual face cream and applying once a day. If I notice any improvement I'll cut back and see if using it less often still works.
I wouldn't use estradiol on my face but I'm comfortable with estriol as it's less potent and acts on far fewer oestrogen receptors. As I said I'm just experimenting at the moment, and I know some will probably disapprove but it's my personal choice. My self confidence, especially in the way I look, is rock bottom at the moment!
Silverlady I might try mixing a bit of cream with my lip balm, I hadn't thought of that! :)
Catweazle x
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Thanks all v interesting
I'm off to the doc to ask for some Gynest cream - unfortunately Orthogynest pessaries which I use down there won't just do the same thing. I thought they were just a wax capsule with the cream inside but I tried to chop one open yesterday to get at the cream and it was a solid lump of wax - must be impregnated with the Estriol - can't see me applying that to my face!!!
I suppose I could use one like lipsalve.....
Well who isn't a teeny bit vain and can say they really don't care?
I mean would we choose to look wrinkly if we had the choice?
Anyway if it gives women a bit more confidence at a time when many are feeling less confident, vulnerable and some even depressed - then what's the harm - it is natural and bio-identical after all - not as if we are spending a fortune going under the knife.... or injecting our faces with nerve poison!!!
Yes crimson I agree re a tiny bit wouldn't do any harm at all - but worried about some reading this who maybe aren't members - might just read one post and start squirting the stuff all over so just expressing caution!
Hurdity x
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We all have different types of skin and react differently to what we put on our faces, I inherited my Italian grandmother's skin, so not too sensitive, but others maybe quite different.
Well diluted estriol should not pose a problem, just make sure that the face cream you use is the one you know won't react on your skin.
Natural progesterone cream is well known for being good for the skin also, if you do your research you will find that it was orignally first used in a face cream and was called something like Cielo ( I know it began with C) I will look it up. There are some British papers published, British Journal of Dermatology I think about natural progesterone cream being tested and found to have some effect.
" What if progesterone had a role similar to estrogens in skin health and could be used topically to prevent or partly reverse menopausal skin deterioration? A study published in The British Journal of Dermatology in September 2005 seems to point in that direction. This 16-week study in 40 women, conducted by Dr. Holzer and colleagues, evaluated the effects of 2% progesterone cream on function and texture of the skin in women at or after menopause. The study design was robust: double-blind, placebo-controlled, and randomized. The results showed 23% increase in skin firmness, 29% reduction in wrinkle count near the eye and almost 10% reduction of the depth of laugh lines. No serious side-effects were observed"
sorry posted before i was finished ::) ::)
silverlady x
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There has be an awful lot of research into the application of estrogen in wound healing in the elderly (both men and women) and it has found that it hastens healing, that I find very interesting.
silverlady x
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Natural progesterone cream is well known for being good for the skin also,
" What if progesterone had a role similar to estrogens in skin health and could be used topically to prevent or partly reverse menopausal skin deterioration? A study published in The British Journal of Dermatology in September 2005 seems to point in that direction. This 16-week study in 40 women, conducted by Dr. Holzer and colleagues, evaluated the effects of 2% progesterone cream on function and texture of the skin in women at or after menopause. The study design was robust: double-blind, placebo-controlled, and randomized. The results showed 23% increase in skin firmness, 29% reduction in wrinkle count near the eye and almost 10% reduction of the depth of laugh lines. No serious side-effects were observed"
This is all very interesting...
Yes I have read there are progesterone as well as (more) oestrogen receptors in the skin and it has a role in skin elasticity.
Oh dear am too busy at the mo' to read all about this with gardening, working and going away soon, so mustn't get distracted. Interestinly I read that some of progesterone's physiological effects are enhanced in the presence of oestrogen - I think that was Wikipedia - which I think provides a good summary of some scientific info where there are citations.
What I don't understand is why this hasn't been marketed - surely there must be some compamny out there dying to make a fortune out of this - maybe insufficient safety studies using larger numbers of women have been done?
Wound healing - how interesting. This is all new to me - thanks silverlady
Hurdity x
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It has though "Natural Progesterone Cream"
One of its benefits has been described as good for the skin.
To make it weaker you just add some to a face cream.
HUrdity here is some more info http://www.antiaging.com/cyberhealth/index.html
You had better wait until you come back of your hols before you tackle it :)
silverlady x
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Meno-me - Exactly!
Synthetic means it has been synthesised ie made from something else, as opposed to extracted (ie extracted from human ovaries or something). Yes it is bio-identical. It is all very confusing especially when you put "natural" into the mix. One could argue that conjugated equine oestrogens are more "natural" than synthesised oestradiol - (not sure exactly what they do the horse pee once they've got it!). Oestradiol is also derived from a natural product - a similar molecule I understand - which is manufactured from soy or yam.
Here is what an American site says:
"The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) considers bioidentical hormones to be natural regardless of their source, and as a result they cannot be patented. "
silverlady - I've made my appt with one of my good female GPs for mid June so Estriol cream here I come.... (I hope). Will read further about the natural prog vs oestrogen effect on skin. I have a natural aversion to the latter because of the hard sell and lack of scientific evidence re menopausal symptoms but as a potential face cream - well that's different - lol!
I was meaning Estriol cream re commercial marketing though. Maybe there is an antipathy due to potential/perceived risks which is not the case for prog, or possibly couldn't get a license.
Hurdity x
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I have some Gynest cream which was first prescribed to me before I asked for full HRT. I never used it, never even opened it.
What quantities would one use with ones face cream? Can anyone advise me? Preferably in *blob* measures. Like "four blobs face cream to one blob Gynest :)
I also have been prescribed Oestrogel today [Yes! I can finally throw away my patches] Could I also use a little of that with my face cream?
cm xx
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This is not to be confused with "bio-identical hormone therapy" - a term used in the US for something similar but it is a commercial thing where women get special compounding pharmacies to make up an formula of these horomnes supposedly made to measure by saliva testing of their own hormones - which is not credited as accurate. I also understand that they are unregulated. They pay vast amounts of money for this when bio-identical hormones are available. We are a long way from being able to personalise our hormone doses (eg depending on our own levels and our weight) and this would be notoriously difficult. Someone will probably tell me I have got it wrong - the American system - but I think Dr Currie summarised it in her article
The bio-identical craze in America has largely been spearheaded by celebrity endorsements from people like Oprah, Suzanne Somers and Robin MrGrath (Dr Phil's wife). They have advocated that "bio-identical" is something that is new and better than what has already been FDA approved, which of course is incorrect.
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It is good news thanks Crimson. :)
Haven't yet picked it up from the pharmacy. They have had to order it in for today, so don't know what it looks like yet Susan.
I would never throw my patches away. Hell! I still have some Femoston left that I was prescribed nearly two years ago and I've had four different types of HRT since then! ;D
cm xx
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I have some Gynest cream which was first prescribed to me before I asked for full HRT. I never used it, never even opened it.
What quantities would one use with ones face cream? Can anyone advise me? Preferably in *blob* measures. Like "four blobs face cream to one blob Gynest :)
I also have been prescribed Oestrogel today [Yes! I can finally throw away my patches] Could I also use a little of that with my face cream?
cm xx
Coffee mate I've been mixing gynest and face cream about 40/60, but still only a very small amount in total (a little goes a long way). So that would be one blob of each with the face cream blob slightly larger ;D
Gynest is 10 times less concentrated than ovestin so I thought I'd try this mix first off to see how it goes. I've only used it 5 days so far.
I personally wouldn't use estradiol on my face because it's a lot more potent than estriol and I would worry about it going systemic and building up my womb lining!
Catweazle x
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Hurdity for you because you like scientific stuff , it even has molecules :)
http://www.holistichealthinfo.com/estriol-deficiency-and-the-aging-skin
silverlady x
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If you are prone to chloasma,( that is you had it when pregnant or on the birthcontrol pill or HRT)
http://www.patient.co.uk/forums/discuss/browse/chloasma-567
I would not recommend using estriol on the face. Estriol should be well diluted anyway.
silverlady x
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You don't have to use an NHS resource for estriol, BIOVEA UK sell a mild estriol in a pleasant cream ( a pump container) that can be mixed with face cream.
This is just in case anyone is thinking that we are using the NHS for vanity reasons.
silverlady x
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Thanks for posting the link to the article about estriol deficiency and the aging skin Silverlady.
The trial results were interesting - 0.01% estriol was used on one group - that's the strength of gynest cream. So I won't worry too much about diluting it enough. Seems I'm going to have to be patient for results to show though, a least a couple of months maybe longer.
I pay for my prescriptions, so at £7.65 per item I reckon the NHS is making a profit out of me because according to the HRT table in the menu to the left it only actually costs £4.67 for a tube of gynest! :o
Wish it was available over the counter. I think it is some european countries.
Catweazle x
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Thanks catweazle. Your measures makes perfect sense to me. ;D
I can't wait to try my Oestrogel tonight. Hopefully I will wake up feeling a new woman tomorrow, or even better, a new man! Lol
Can anyone tell me, as I only put my Evorel patch on yesterday morning. Will I have to remove tonight before I use the Oestrogel, or should I wait until in the morning to remove it?
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Just the one 80 Gram pump pack Susan.
After all the times I have been back to him and told him I'm not happy with my HRT, I can't really blame him for only prescribing the one! ;D
Will keep you posted. I'm really optimistic. :) But then, I have been before! ::)
cm xx
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Thinking about all this I think its best to stick to estriol diluted, its a much weaker hormone about a thousand time weaker then estrodiol and even if it is absorbed (which is highly unlikely in such minute quantities) estriol has little effect on the breasts, and can be protective in some reports that I have read.
The doses I used in my face cream were very very tiny and I also use natural progesterone also very small amounts added to the mix, as I said at the beginning of this thread. Don't ever think more will be better with hormones.
silverlady x
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Thats really good to hear Janie, sometimes I just don't know what to advise just in case there are adverse efects with someone, its one thing to do these things for yourself, but very different passing it on to others.
silverlady x
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Thanks for all the info andlinks
Interesting link silverlady on Estriol and ageing
Btw according to Wikipedia Estradiol is 80x more potent than Estriol as an oestrogen
Will be getting the Gynest cream for its proper purpose as I need it for there as the pessaries can't be used for the external areas - being a sold lump of wax.
Had a look at the site which sells it silverlady - as I am happy to pay money for face creams and do not expect the NHS to cover this (!)- but it was out of stock.
Personally I would prefer to use a product on the face which was designed for use there (rather than vag!) as I have sensitive skin.
However when I get the Gynest I will have a trial go.
Note you may not notice any difference for 6 months so needs perseverence!
Hurdity x
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Hurdity the article I read about estriol yesterday said a 1000 times weaker, but who knows, will try and find it again ( I have just though it
might have been a 100 times and I might have read it wrongly) drat! as Trey would say, now I will have to try and find it ::)
silverlady x
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I mixed a little of my Gynest cream into my moisturiser last night, and like Crimson, I found that it made the moisturiser softer and easier to absorb.
Had I known last night that it took six months before we might see the results Hurdity, I wouldn't have expected to wake looking like Marilyn Monroe instead of Marilyn Manson! ;D
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OH CM ;D ;D ;D by the way if anyone wants to know more about estriol google Estriol - The forgotten hormone.
silverlady x
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Will do that. Thanks SL. :)
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What is the difference in Retin-A and Retinol? Does anyone know?
I used to use a cream that contained Retinol, can't remember what it was called now, but I wasn't very impressed.
cm xx
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CM Retin A is I think only available on prescription at least in the UK , it is not the same as Retinol which is similar to Vitamin A
RetinA was all the rage years ago but you don't hear so much about it now. Peels seem to have taken over. Its a difficult call with Retin A as it can makes your skin sun sensitive.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/415718-the-difference-between-retinol-and-retin-a/
Susan, Estrace cream is estrodioll not estriol, I think Trey uses it, the US has been slow to take up estriol, but they are catching up now and are always saying it has been used in Europe for decades with no side effects, hence Estriol- The forgotten hormone.
silverlady x
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Did you get your Retin A from your doctor Janie? Or can we buy it over the counter?
cm xx
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You lucky devil! I'll have to show my Doctor my age spots and see if I can get him to prescribe me some. :D
I wonder. Is Retin A ever prescribed for Acne? I only for my daughters sake.
cm xx
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Hi Janie, Thanks for the reply.
My daughter had been using the BCP for quite a few years. It had been wonderful for her skin.
However she is having a break from the BCP now and her skin has surprisingly quickly returned to its original oily self. Of course this means she will break out in spots, that obviously she hates!
This has been an ongoing problem of hers for years now. Every night her cleansing routine takes her forever!! [probably too much testosterone] I will recommend that she asks her GP for some RA.
She asked me if she could give my Oestrogel a try. Cheeky sod!! Lol
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Morning LD :)
I am beginning to notice them on my hands lately. Also noticed that they are looking really veiny and old. Horrible!!
I smothered them in our *secret* cream last night. ;)
cm xx
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I am abandoning my experiment with estriol.
This morning I have noticed a slight brownish 'age spot' (chloasma?) on my cheek. I've no idea if it was there before I started using the estriol/face cream mix last week but it's freaked me out a bit.
I don't want to end up with huge brown patches on my face.
I guess I'm just going to have to learn to love my wrinkles :'(
Catweazle x
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I've just noticed something else.
I mixed the blobs of cream on a small area of the back of my hand. I have an age spot on that same area and it is definitely darker now than all the others on my hand :o :o
I'm sticking to estriol on the lady bits ONLY from now on!
Catweazle x
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I am sorry that you have had this effect catweazle, this has not happened to me, but I dilute the estriol thoroughly and only use one or twice a week and only at night, I never ever use it in the mornings and go out in the sun.
After I read your post I did a search for information , it seems that this can happen even when hormones are not used and can be genetic, when it happens in pregnancy if it is going to happen it appears in the 4th month.
Going out in the sun, and the sun has been been strong these last two weeks, brown spots on face and hands will darken if you do not apply sun block cream, I make sure I do.
Once again I am sorry this has happened.
This is for CM's daughter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJXjVvrEDYU
This lady is amazing and she is 54, admittedly she sticks to a raw diet but her skin is beautiful.
Its based on an old Chinese beauty technique, have done a search but its not available in the UK yet.
silverlady x
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Using estrodiol or estriol on the face is not going to get rid of wrinkles on the face, what it can do , plump and maybe thicken the skin, improving elasticity, so the lines are less visible.
Making sure you have enough Vitamin C to support collagen is in important too. If you are taking HRT, it will improve the whole of your body skin including the face.
Facial filleres are an excellent way to reduce wrinkles and lines if you want immediate results.
Estrogen face cream really is a nourisher for the estrogen receptors in the facial skin. Dermatologist say that estriol is an excellent skin smoother.
What I am going to say now you will hate me for, if you smoke, drink or take medications that dry the skin its going to effect how your skin looks.
Its a matter of personal choice and what works may not work for another as I have tried to say in my previous posts.
silverlady x
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I did use the cream in the mornings Silverlady - I didn't know about the chloasma/age spot thing. Just shows you shouldn't muck about with medications! ;D
You can't really see the age spot on my face, I noticed it in time so no worries there.
I don't drink alcohol, smoke or take any meds and I eat loads of fruit and veg so I guess I'm stuck with my ugly mug! ;D
Catweazle x
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Thanks for the link SL. My daughters problem is hormonal though. She eats plenty of fruit and veg, always has.
Doesn't smoke Only drinks alcohol if she has a night out and that's only once in a blue moon!
She has had the problem since hitting her teens really. The BCP sorted it out completely. Now that she's taken a break from the BCP, she said she can feel and see the difference already, and it's only been a month!
cm xx
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CM I thought that your daughter would the like link because she is stilll a very young woman, and I think Tonya Zavasta inspirational.
I know if I was still that young ::) I would just enjoy looking at the videos. Her life story is very interesting too.
The BCP is very very good for the skin, it agreed with me and kept me thin, it was only when I came off it my fibroid grew!
silverlady x
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I totally understand what you meant SL and I'm grateful for the time you took to post it.
I have already sent the link to my daughter in the hope that she will find it helpful :)
Now, if you could find something for my *bags*. And I'm not talking shopping here either. :D
cm xx
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Well CM you know the answer to that one, it involves a bank loan, a very sexy plastic surgeon ( they all seem to be very charming) bruises for a few days, and them looking in the mirror and thinking WOW, people then starting to say have you just come back of holiday you look great 8)
Or you could out two teaspoons in the fridge for a while, put the back of the teaspoons on closed eye lids and lie down for an hour :)
silverlady x
Must admit I did not look for the youtube, I get Tonya's news letter in my inbox monthly.
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Well to be honest SL, you know me. I like the sound of the first choice best. But as it's been a short month, it'll have to be the tea spoons! :)
cm xx
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Aww Thanks Susan. But then....I truly am. ::)
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Just thinking. Tea bags are supposed to be good for eye bags. Used ones of course. Lol
I used to try cold cucumber, but I am one of the most inpatient people on the planet. I can only sit still with them on my eyes for 5 minutes maximum, then I get bored and start thinking about all the things I could be doing. Hopeless!
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:rofl: Love to LD ;D
If the egg white makes your face nice and tight, I wouldn't wash it off! ;D
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Lovedovy, BCP is the birth control pill, it overides the ovaries and calms them down and gives a steady supply of artificial ones, its usually very good for the skin.
silverlady x
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Just found some more interesting info, even Dr Studd is mentioned in article
http://menopausetreatment.co/anti-aging-estrogen-improves-your-skins-health/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa3S6qiCPik
This is not meant to be intense just for anyone interested.
silverlady x
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Thanks for that SL. :)
I'm still using a little Gynest cream in my usual moisturiser at night time.
Haven't noticed any real difference yet. But then it has only been two and a half weeks.
cm xx
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Yes I am like you LD. If I buy a new face cream or serum, I expect to see a positive result almost immediately, and why not? We pay enough dosh for them don't we? Lol
My OH goes mad at me sometimes. Poor man can't get to his own stuff in the bathroom cabinet for all my face creams and potions! ;D
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I have my own room for them ;D and I am always in the kitchen mixing up my own creams and experimenting, OH bought me mini blender for them ::)
silverlady x
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;D Good idea.
I have mine in the bathroom and bedroom. I keep my day cream in the fridge so it stays nice and cool. I take it out five minutes before I use it, just to take the chill off.
My OH thinks that I am quite mad! ;D
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;D Susan you'll make an alchemist yet! Lol
Have to say I still haven't really noticed much difference, if any. I mean. sometimes I look in the mirror and think "Hmm you are looking younger girl". Then I look in a different mirror and frighten myself half to death!! Lol
We have to keep trying though don't we....don't we??
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Hi all,
I found this very old thread re: face creams - wondered if there is any new news since 2012 when it was last updated? I would have thought if we are taking HRT the oestrogen would positively affect skin without smearing it in any proportions or mixtures directly; that is, if were to work at all.
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So I cant go sticking my patches on my wrinkles then :o
I think it sounds very interesting. I dont have too many wrinkles (yet) but my under eye area is a bit iffy and my jaw line is blurry now.
Holding back the years without surgery......hmmmm.....yes please.
Honeyb
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I have been getting dysport in my crows lines and between eyes for 6 years. Amazingly effective.
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Hi all,
I found this very old thread re: face creams - wondered if there is any new news since 2012 when it was last updated? I would have thought if we are taking HRT the oestrogen would positively affect skin without smearing it in any proportions or mixtures directly; that is, if were to work at all.
I'd like to know the same, thanks.