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Title: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Ayesha on January 09, 2024, 12:08:38 PM
Some strange viruses doing the rounds and I seem to have got myself one. Gone are the days when it was the usual winter cold, flu etc but for two weeks I have started a virus affecting the sinuses, severe pain like raging toothache, so bad I thought I would have to have emergency dental treatment.

Viruses seem to last longer these days or is that another age related thing  ???
Anyways, talking to my niece she has also had this nasty virus that nearly drove her to the dentist so its obviously something that is doing the rounds, I am actually beginning to believe since the Covid jabs, viruses are not like they used to be  ???

Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 09, 2024, 01:51:38 PM
Due to lockdown, we may have lost herd immunity to many of the 'common' viruses that are currently doing the rounds, as well as mayB picking up several at the same time.

Have  :foryou:   sinus infections are awful, I woke one C.mas morning feeling like being hung over without any cause  >:(.  I couldn't bend forwards, turn my head without severe pain.  Add to that several years later, trigenimal neuralgia  :o

Get those feet up, warm drinks to hand . 

Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: fiftyplus on January 09, 2024, 02:02:52 PM
Sorry to hear you are not feeling well Ayesha  :foryou:  I am sending some virtual hugs to you  :hug:

Rest up and take good care of yourself, I hope you feel better soon xx
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: PennyD on January 09, 2024, 02:48:29 PM
Yes I had this exact thing! Raging headache with sinus pain and a bit of dizziness that never came to anything. Like nothing I've ever had before, ended up at A&E and they told me it was a common virus at the moment. I was blaming the hrt as well... ;D
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 09, 2024, 02:55:29 PM
A leading virologist said his colleagues were seeing far more cases of influenza so far this winter than Covid.

Dr Chris Smith, from the University of Cambridge, said his team had tested people across the East of England to find out what had caused them to fall ill.

"Flu is the major player. Covid's quite far down the list, surprisingly, but it is out there," he said.

He warned it was possible to catch multiple illnesses at the same time and they all had similar symptoms, such as a runny nose and sore throat, making it difficult to diagnose.


Dr Smith talked a lot of sense throughout the Pandemic ......... JHeals - covid jabs saved a lot of lives.  These current viruses are nothing to do with either Covid or vaccines.  What ever people read on the net, they also need to read peer reviewed papers and NHS reports. 
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 09, 2024, 04:05:36 PM
That worried me, the way deaths were recorded as due to Covid with no testing nor patients in many cases, not having been infected.  Apparently there were different ways of determining what someone may have died of and it was apparently easier to have 1 Doctor suggest 'covid' rather than pushing for PMs.

However, there is good evidence that jabs did save lives.  Certainly if you contact Dr Chris Smith, he can explain it better than I would be able to. 

I know someone who has had Covid 5 times in 3 years, each time affected differently.  She has also kept up2date with boosters as it is a part of her job contract. 
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Ayesha on January 09, 2024, 04:07:13 PM
Thanks for the get well messages ladies. I am into week 2 and hopefully not for much longer but my goodness who knew sinus problems could be so painful, I didn't  ::)
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 09, 2024, 04:21:14 PM
Nor did I until it hit, suddenly  :-\.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 09, 2024, 05:00:00 PM
U tell me perhaps? 
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Penguin on January 09, 2024, 05:01:21 PM
Dr Chris Smith who was on the government payroll to push the covid narrative to try & coerce more people into taking the experimental vaccine while not disclosing he’d had a bipolar replase and he ended up in rehab when he began drinking again as he’s an alcoholic. That Dr Chris Smith?

That worried me, the way deaths were recorded as due to Covid with no testing nor patients in many cases, not having been infected.  Apparently there were different ways of determining what someone may have died of and it was apparently easier to have 1 Doctor suggest 'covid' rather than pushing for PMs.

However, there is good evidence that jabs did save lives.  Certainly if you contact Dr Chris Smith, he can explain it better than I would be able to. 

I know someone who has had Covid 5 times in 3 years, each time affected differently.  She has also kept up2date with boosters as it is a part of her job contract.

Sarcasm not needed on here, CLKD has been polite to you.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Penguin on January 09, 2024, 05:21:20 PM
I’ve already explained that I don’t believe the experimental vaccine had any part in the reduction of deaths. That was down to the virus mutating and becoming weaker.

Maybe research excess deaths 2023. I wonder what’s causing those….

U tell me perhaps?

Lol no chance. Not offended, just defending another member who you've been rude to.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Ayesha on January 09, 2024, 05:27:33 PM
I would rather my thread was not sabotaged by comments on the covid vaccines and as demonstrated it seems the subject can never be discussed in a civil manner.
CKLD has eloquently stated her point of view only to be replied to in an aggressive rude manner, that’s not acceptable to me or I imagine the forum admin.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 09, 2024, 05:46:52 PM
I am credible and have illnesses ........ which don't affect my work. 

Anyway: back to topic.  As we know viruses mutate, sneaky that  ::).  When I had 'flu I couldn't move, open my eyes, pick up that £50.00 note on the floor etc..  I've had colds that have dragged on as well as coughs that I was unable to shed.   >:(. 
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Ayesha on January 09, 2024, 06:58:45 PM
Grow up & report away to the admin as I have no doubt you will be the snitching type.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 09, 2024, 06:59:35 PM
That's cheered you up Ayesha ......... 

Haven't heard the word 'snitch' since I was in Primary School. 
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 09, 2024, 07:01:50 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 09, 2024, 07:30:47 PM
every day is a learning curve
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Songbird on January 09, 2024, 10:15:31 PM
Well! - that was an interesting thread - I feel I need a lie down now  :o
Ayesha -  :hug:
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 10, 2024, 09:41:07 AM
Any improvements this morning?   
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Penguin on January 10, 2024, 10:08:33 AM
Well! - that was an interesting thread - I feel I need a lie down now  :o
Ayesha -  :hug:

Well it was bedtime when you commented so legit time to lie down 🤣
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Songbird on January 10, 2024, 10:46:30 AM
Well! - that was an interesting thread - I feel I need a lie down now  :o
Ayesha -  :hug:

Well it was bedtime when you commented so legit time to lie down 🤣

That's true Penguin 😂. The cockapoo sits right in front of me at 10pm every night as much as to say....."time for all 60yr olds (nearly!) to be tucked up  ;D"
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 10, 2024, 10:55:53 AM
Oh creatures of habit, them.  My cocker used to wake slightly B4 9.00 p.m., stretch, go out for a wee then sit by the child gate.  This separated her from the cats' food all day, she was allowed to lick the plates clean for her 'supper'  ::)

I bit my tongue yesterday, now I have a sore throat  :-\ hopefully not a virus  ???
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Ayesha on January 10, 2024, 11:42:10 AM
Good morning ladies, well what a good laugh that was yesterday, so surreal!!   ::)

CLKD - Difficult to tell what's going on at the moment, once the pain killers wear off the pain comes back but I am only a few days into all of this and I am hoping that by the end of the week there is improvement. But when the pain returns I keep thinking it could be trigenimal neuralgia but really that's me overthinking things as we all do!

My niece had similar symptoms that lasted 3 weeks over Christmas so I am keeping my fingers crossed. 

CLKD, I've tried to answer your pm but it says you have blocked me, I shall go quietly   ;D
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 10, 2024, 12:40:12 PM
Technology isn't what it was  ;D.


I wouldn't know how to or un-do blocking  ::)
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Penguin on January 10, 2024, 12:48:10 PM
Re the viruses, I had an awful virus / cold type thing last Feb. Ended up with such bad sinus pain which I've never had before. Left with it on one side and sensitivity all down left side, post nasal drip that side etc. Have ended up with a steroid nasal spray as GP thinks it triggered rhinitis which has now become chronic. I have never had sinus issues before and now I'm left with a load of allergies I never had before too
 The only other thing that happened the month previously was starting hrt, but it can't possibly be that, it must have been the virus.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Taz2 on January 10, 2024, 12:57:25 PM
Well! - that was an interesting thread - I feel I need a lie down now  :o
Ayesha -  :hug:

Well it was bedtime when you commented so legit time to lie down 🤣

That's true Penguin 😂. The cockapoo sits right in front of me at 10pm every night as much as to say....."time for all 60yr olds (nearly!) to be tucked up  ;D"
Whoops! That's the time I pop up the pub and I'm almost 70. 😂
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Penguin on January 10, 2024, 01:14:20 PM
Well! - that was an interesting thread - I feel I need a lie down now  :o
Ayesha -  :hug:

Well it was bedtime when you commented so legit time to lie down 🤣

That's true Penguin 😂. The cockapoo sits right in front of me at 10pm every night as much as to say....."time for all 60yr olds (nearly!) to be tucked up  ;D"
Whoops! That's the time I pop up the pub and I'm almost 70. 😂

Omg Taz2, I'm 'only' 49 and after 9pm is a late night for me 🙈🤣
Tbf though, the early waking I get since starting peri means I am so knackered by the time the kids go to bed, I need to go fo bed myself to make sure I get enough hours in! Vicious circle 🤣🙈
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 10, 2024, 01:50:28 PM
If U get sleep then don't worry about when U go to bed.  We are designed to be up with dawn and go to the back of the cave at dusk ;-).

I know after both bouts of 'flu : March 1988 and March 1989 : I was weary for a couple of weeks.  When we had Covid in August we were both SO tired  ::). So we slept. 
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Dierdre on January 10, 2024, 03:21:06 PM
Good morning ladies, well what a good laugh that was yesterday, so surreal!!   ::)

CLKD - Difficult to tell what's going on at the moment, once the pain killers wear off the pain comes back but I am only a few days into all of this and I am hoping that by the end of the week there is improvement. But when the pain returns I keep thinking it could be trigenimal neuralgia but really that's me overthinking things as we all do!

My niece had similar symptoms that lasted 3 weeks over Christmas so I am keeping my fingers crossed. 

CLKD, I've tried to answer your pm but it says you have blocked me, I shall go quietly   ;D

The trouble with viruses that attack the sinuses they always cause blockage that is very painful, but if this don't clear up it can turn into an infection. If it dont improve soon maybe you might need antibiotics.
Have you tried massaging the points where you can self drain and help clear the sinuses.  If you go on youtube and put in draining sinuses it shows how to do this by pressing on parts of the face and side of your nose. Sounds daft but it actually works and you can feel it draining. You can do this for earache and blocked eustachian tubes too.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Penguin on January 10, 2024, 03:29:43 PM
Great idea re the sinus drainage.
You could also try Neilmed sinus rinse too. Tricky to do but does help.
Also second the suggestion you might end up needing antibiotics especially if the area on your face starts to feel warm to touch x
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Ayesha on January 10, 2024, 03:56:19 PM
Viruses do mess with so much of your system that's for sure.
I will take the advice on board, I am using a nasal spray and an infrared lamp I hope will help, and hopefully not need the antibiotics.
 
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 10, 2024, 03:59:39 PM
And rest ;-).
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Taz2 on January 10, 2024, 06:22:45 PM
Well! - that was an interesting thread - I feel I need a lie down now  :o
Ayesha -  :hug:

Well it was bedtime when you commented so legit time to lie down 🤣

That's true Penguin 😂. The cockapoo sits right in front of me at 10pm every night as much as to say....."time for all 60yr olds (nearly!) to be tucked up  ;D"
Whoops! That's the time I pop up the pub and I'm almost 70. 😂

Omg Taz2, I'm 'only' 49 and after 9pm is a late night for me 🙈🤣
Tbf though, the early waking I get since starting peri means I am so knackered by the time the kids go to bed, I need to go fo bed myself to make sure I get enough hours in! Vicious circle 🤣🙈
. I've always been the same I'm afraid. I hate going to bed the same day I wake up. Five hours has been my norm but nowadays we know it's not good for us. My sons are always complaining that I wake them up when I WhatsApp them after midnight.  ;D
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: ElkWarning on January 10, 2024, 07:59:33 PM
Some strange viruses doing the rounds and I seem to have got myself one. Gone are the days when it was the usual winter cold, flu etc but for two weeks I have started a virus affecting the sinuses, severe pain like raging toothache, so bad I thought I would have to have emergency dental treatment.

Viruses seem to last longer these days or is that another age related thing  ???
Anyways, talking to my niece she has also had this nasty virus that nearly drove her to the dentist so its obviously something that is doing the rounds, I am actually beginning to believe since the Covid jabs, viruses are not like they used to be  ???

This is strange. Back in October I had a bit of a cold (sniffles really) that morphed into an ear infection. Doctor prescribed ear drops, at first it seemed to settle, then one night I developed an excruciating toothache. I've literally never had toothache in my life, and thought I was going to lose my mind ...

Doctor then prescribed oral antibiotics as the infection was moving all down one side of my face. This cleared it up. But then I developed acid / burpy thing (which I assumed was related to the antibiotics) and drank my own body weight in yakult.

Very fatigued for 2-3 weeks, but perked up once school broke up.

It was just very strange to have a runny nose become a crashing toothache.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 11, 2024, 09:57:08 AM
There are so many nerves in the face and small blood vessels which can be affected by cold winds etc..  Referred pain can be difficult to trace, hence the feeling of tooth aches.  Was it pain in the upper jaw ?
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Ayesha on January 11, 2024, 10:16:55 AM
Yes, the upper jaw then felt pain all round that area.
I am off to the dentist this afternoon, so lucky to get a cancellation, and at least a toothache will either be ruled in or out. I am going to feel a right chump if it turns out I need a filling  ::)
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Ayesha on January 11, 2024, 10:21:12 AM

This is strange. Back in October I had a bit of a cold (sniffles really) that morphed into an ear infection. Doctor prescribed ear drops, at first it seemed to settle, then one night I developed an excruciating toothache. I've literally never had toothache in my life, and thought I was going to lose my mind ...

Doctor then prescribed oral antibiotics as the infection was moving all down one side of my face. This cleared it up. But then I developed acid / burpy thing (which I assumed was related to the antibiotics) and drank my own body weight in yakult.

Very fatigued for 2-3 weeks, but perked up once school broke up.

It was just very strange to have a runny nose become a crashing toothache.

When I was talking on the phone to the dentist I could tell I sounded very sinusey (if that's a word) so I am thinking that's what it is and will have to get it sorted as like you taking painkillers also have their side effects.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Minusminnie on January 11, 2024, 10:53:35 AM
I am off to the dentist this afternoon, so lucky to get a cancellation, and at least a toothache will either be ruled in or out.

You may find the dentist won’t be able to quite do that.  I spent some time years ago going between the dentist and the GP with sinus problem especially on one side and tooth sensitivity. GP would at times give me erythromycin or say go to the dentist dentist would send me back to the GP.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 11, 2024, 12:50:41 PM
 5 years ago after surgical intervention my trigenimal neuralgia returned  :o so our Dentist talked to others and no one realised what it was causing the pain until I twigged  ::).  Fortunately it settled, it had been triggered by the pushing/pulling in the top jaw. 

Let us know how you get on. 

Sinusitis is painful - 'itis' = infection.  As in tonsillitis, appendicitis etc..

Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Ayesha on January 11, 2024, 05:13:01 PM
Trust me to be the awkward one. It appears I have a crown with a dying tooth underneath that will either require root canal work costing £800 and possibly carried out in hospital as it goes very deep, or I could have the tooth taken out.
I have decided to have it out as its right at the back and really at my age its something that doesn’t bother me.  Also we are moving soon and that money will help pay for the blinds we will need in our new house, which has lots of windows.

I am on antibiotics and he will reassess how I feel at the next appointment, his priority is to get me out of the pain I am in. I feel lucky I got a cancellation appointment today otherwise I would have been waiting for a virus/sinusitis episode to abate.
Just to also say, I would advise anyone with similar symptoms to always see your dentist first when its anything to do with the mouth, especially as it’s all so closely connected to the sinuses.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 11, 2024, 05:36:14 PM
 :thankyou:

Sorted!  I too would opt for extraction.  Root canal may/not work anyway.  Did he suggest pain relief as well as ABs, my Dental did the 1st implant surgery under AB cover. 
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Ayesha on January 11, 2024, 07:50:11 PM
Pain relief is working very well but its needed every 4 hours. A mix of Ibruprofen & paracetamol, Co-codamol & paracetamol or I will take just two paracetamol. That is the regime depending on how bad the pain is at any one time. 
I like the co-codamol because it gives me constipation which then gives me the excuse to have dark chocolate that otherwise would have me running to the loo, there's always good that comes out of bad!  ;D

But seriously, not good to be on constant pain killers and will be glad to get rid of the tooth!   
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 11, 2024, 07:58:50 PM
All medication is designed to work in the moment, hopefully once the tooth is out you can rely on pain relief when necessary.  I can't tolerate co-anything!

I'm with you on the chocolate .........
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: fiftyplus on January 11, 2024, 09:10:32 PM
Ayesha, Nuromol (combination of nurofen & paracetomol all in one) may help - must be taken with food first though - they were the only thing that helped my son and took the edge of the pain when he had an infected wysdom tooth xx  :foryou:
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 11, 2024, 10:02:29 PM
 :thankyou:  50+
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Ayesha on January 11, 2024, 10:36:07 PM
Ayesha, Nuromol (combination of nurofen & paracetomol all in one) may help - must be taken with food first though - they were the only thing that helped my son and took the edge of the pain when he had an infected wysdom tooth xx  :foryou:

Yes I can confirm this is the best combination, it kills the pain completely. I am taking it in the form of Ibuprofen and paracetamol separately.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: KaraShannon on January 12, 2024, 01:48:31 AM
Well! - that was an interesting thread - I feel I need a lie down now  :o
Ayesha -  :hug:

Well it was bedtime when you commented so legit time to lie down 🤣

That's true Penguin 😂. The cockapoo sits right in front of me at 10pm every night as much as to say....."time for all 60yr olds (nearly!) to be tucked up  ;D"
Whoops! That's the time I pop up the pub and I'm almost 70. 😂

so refreshing to hear of another night owl.  I'm just reading through this thread, it's entertaining, so I thought I'd throw this in.  ;D

On the original topic I think viruses have got a little more vicious.  Our immunity might be low, but I wonder if they have become stronger in some way.  I don't know if there's any scientific reason for that though.  They are supposed to get weaker over time.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Jillyboo on January 24, 2024, 02:49:02 PM
Personally I feel a bit like a pin cushion these days - it feels like they're always offering to jab the over 65s with something.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 24, 2024, 03:51:35 PM
As we age the NHS offers more and more testing  ;D for men and women  ::)

I need to book my shingles jab ........
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Jules on January 25, 2024, 01:44:42 PM
Personally I feel a bit like a pin cushion these days - it feels like they're always offering to jab the over 65s with something.

I said the same and ive just been for my nhs over 65s check. A lot of questions, height/weight/BP and a blood test. Didn't get any positive feedback,  advice or anything but then it was probably the receptionist doing it in her lunch break
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 25, 2024, 01:53:32 PM
R U serious Jules .......... did U ask for any feedback?  It's a 2-way situation, our Nurses always chat as they do exams, usually about gardening, dog walking, holidays  ;D
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Taz2 on January 25, 2024, 02:40:22 PM
I found mine really helpful. A thirty minute appointment with one of the nurses. She knew her stuff and gave practical advice. My BP was high and this was all checked out by the practice during the following week. I found it a useful appointment but I did ask lots of questions.  ;D

Taz x
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 25, 2024, 03:55:34 PM
Were they about medical issues Taz2 ...........
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Jules on January 25, 2024, 11:31:55 PM
I guess there wasn't anything to comment on. She asked a series of tick box questions, diet i already know is good, smoking alcohol I don't do, the rest was the usual family history. I know my weight is fine, she told me my BP, I know the normal range and could have done that at home, I had blood test, she couldn't comment on that so I'll have to wait for results. She told me normal cholesterol has now to be below 4 which is wrong. The blood results will be the most helpful.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Taz2 on January 26, 2024, 12:21:41 AM
At our surgery you have to have the blood test two weeks before your check if you've not had one within the past six months. This is so the nurse can go through the results with you. It's part of the requirements for the health check. No blood test within the last six months means no health check appointment.

Taz x
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 26, 2024, 10:04:50 AM
NICE keep moving the goal posts in order to sell more medication ?  Cynical.  Moi?

Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Dierdre on January 26, 2024, 11:20:56 AM
No not cynical, they would like all over 50's on statins for prevention but the side effects put many off. Probably why it's be lowered to 5 so to get more uptake but change of lifestyle should be the first option offered unless hereditary. The surgeries do get benefits for promoting these drugs I've been told.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 26, 2024, 11:30:49 AM
Yep.  It used to be a tenner for every 'flu jab.   ::)

Statins don't come without side effects, we didn't have aches or pains but my blood sugars were raised for 4 months last year.   >:(. Not something that I had been warned about  :bang: :beat:
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Taz2 on January 26, 2024, 11:33:05 AM
Is your blood sugar ok now CLKD?

Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 26, 2024, 11:34:27 AM
Tnx Taz yes.  But the Nurse didn't bother to let me know  >:(.  When I went for other bloods in November - can't remember what for - I queried why and was told blood sugars were now normal.  No joined up thinking these days  :-\
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Ayesha on January 26, 2024, 01:23:51 PM
For over forty years I have been told my cholesterol and my blood pressure is high, anxiety I tell them all the time and I can't take statins, I don't need diet advice, I am way ahead of the game in that respect, I am such a goody two shoes!

I was at the dentist last week and had an extraction that went wrong, totally freaked me out, my blood pressure must have gone through the roof. I laid there in agony waiting for the heart attack the medics say I am going to have if I don't get my cholesterol and blood pressure down.
I can honestly say that I don't like this interference in my life, I am qualified enough to know what is a good lifestyle and what is not. I will be 75 this year with a house move due in early February and all the stress that's causing, I will update you all if I make it, If not you will know she must have popped her clogs  ;D
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Jules on January 26, 2024, 02:06:48 PM
I have had blood tests in the last 6 months, I had cholestrol checked before Christmas.  There's so much money wasted in the nhs, repeating things, not cross referencing etc. Also I was asked if my diet was poor, average or good. I've worked with so many people who would say they had a good diet because they've no understanding of nutrition. It's all dependent on the ability if the patient to give accurate answers. Many will exaggerate about exercise, alcohol intake.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: ariadne on January 26, 2024, 08:16:10 PM
I guess there wasn't anything to comment on. She asked a series of tick box questions, diet i already know is good, smoking alcohol I don't do, the rest was the usual family history. I know my weight is fine, she told me my BP, I know the normal range and could have done that at home, I had blood test, she couldn't comment on that so I'll have to wait for results. She told me normal cholesterol has now to be below 4 which is wrong. The blood results will be the most helpful.

I asked about having another NHS checkup recently as it's a few years since my last. The receptionist looked up my records and told me I wasn't eligible because we are only allowed one and my last one was fine! I said, "Oh so if in a few years I develop an illness that could have been prevented by further checkups, then the Dr will say..:well you were alright 5 years ago'
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Taz2 on January 26, 2024, 08:33:39 PM
The NHS health checks are for ages 40 to 74 and since being restarted in 2023 you are offered one every five years. Some doctors practices are not offering them apparently but you can find out how you can get one here https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/nhs-health-check/

Taz x
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: ariadne on January 26, 2024, 08:45:15 PM
The NHS health checks are for ages 40 to 74 and since being restarted in 2023 you are offered one every five years. Some doctors practices are not offering them apparently but you can find out how you can get one here https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/nhs-health-check/

Taz x

Thanks Taz. I don't remember the exact date of my last one but the receptionist wasn't helpful in explaining when I might be eligible for another, rather she seemed to be saying I'd had my turn and that was it.
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Post by: Taz2 on January 27, 2024, 12:13:10 AM
I'm 69 so I guess that might be my one and only one too!  ;D
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Post by: Jules on January 27, 2024, 04:36:50 PM
The NHS health checks are for ages 40 to 74 and since being restarted in 2023 you are offered one every five years. Some doctors practices are not offering them apparently but you can find out how you can get one here https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/nhs-health-check/

Taz x

That's what I mean. They will catch some issues at the time, give advice but anything could happen in 5 years and I've just spoken to a lady who didn't take up hers because she didn't want to know 8f something was wrong! It's those people they need to check, peoplewho carry on with their head in the sand living unhealthily. I'm health conscious so will flag up anything promptly.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 27, 2024, 05:51:52 PM
Certain checks we have to ask for, i.e. mammograms after I think 70?  Now whether that's 70 in real terms or how people feel when they wake each morning .......... at least I no longer feel 90  :whist:

Some simply don't want to know Jules, it isn't up to any1 else to judge the why's or where4s. 
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Jules on January 28, 2024, 11:10:46 AM
CLKD, i agree if other peoples lifestyles and decisions don't affect me.  I don't care what they do, but people who don't take sensible steps to keep themselves healthy do affect me. I'm paying for the consequences in monetary terms and through NHS waiting lists. A bit of individual responsibility in the UK wouldn't go amiss at present, otherwise we'll never get out of the mire.
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Post by: Ayesha on January 28, 2024, 11:35:23 AM
Its a human nature thing worldwide. The people put on statins that give them the excuse to carry on with their unhealthy lifestyle, I've met a lot of them.
The women who never turn up for their health screenings, I would walk into the various clinics over the years and have often said where is everyone, to be told oh people don't bother to turn up!

I've always been health conscious and will flag up anything that feels not right with my body and as I am now 74 I have been told I can ask for screening if I want to, my choice. But yes, people really should take more responsibility over their health and not have to be told to do so.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Dierdre on January 28, 2024, 11:58:03 AM
Why I'll never have preventive tests again.

I had the wellbeing check at the beginning of last year that lead to an awful lot of stress and anxiety and more time on the NHS. Initially my cholesterol was slightly high and straight away the doctor said statins(telephoned from the nurse). I had health anxiety so this wasn't good. I refused the statins and started dieting and taking Benocol drinks, lost nearly 2 stone in 3 months and cholesterol dropped to below the at risk level. The Benocol had an effect on my absorbing estrogens, apparently the plant stenols can connect to the receptors actually blocking the real stuff (different thread, others had this happen too). Stress had lowered my immune system also so bladder, atrophy flareups and thrush for the next 6 months, referred for ultrasound on bladder and kidneys. Bladder was now ok, it was the thrush causing the spasms and cramps but the scan picked up kidney stones.
Was referred to Urologist, had appointment September.
My anxiety was so bad now I've had CBT all summer. My travel insurance had tripled because of the stones and I was constantly worried when on holiday in case the stones caused an emegency trip to the hospitals abroad.
December 2023, a year after the blood tests and ultrasound scan I had a CT scan, results from Urologist by phone in January 2024. No stones!! I'd had no symptoms at all.
The Urologist explained ultrasound doesn't always get it right with kidney stones which is why she ordered the CT scan. Obviously an immense relief for me but a year of anxiety that I could have done without all because of the knock on effect from a cholesterol test.

If I'm ill or notice anything I will go to the doctor.

I've probably cost the NHS hundreds of pounds this year if not more in tests, scans and therapy, money and appointments that could have gone to someone really ill.

If I had a stone they were just going to monitor and only intervene if it caused a problem. Many live with stones all their life and never know.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Ayesha on January 28, 2024, 12:19:50 PM
I absolutely echo everything you have said, Dierdre. I can think back and can say all my health problems have been caused due to screening programmes. I wont go into too much detail but even right up to last summer when it was ruined by me hoping the statins would work but instead was destroying my muscles in the process and years ago at the hospital with a doctor saying I have never seen such a healthy cervix with me thinking what the f##k am I doing here!!

Screening can have its consequences as well as being helpful to some, but not all!
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 28, 2024, 12:29:27 PM
We have been on statins for about 5 years and have no muscle problems  :-\

My breast disease was found on palpation in the bath and never showed on mammogram or ultrasound.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Dierdre on January 28, 2024, 01:04:20 PM
My sister found her breast cancer herself and she had never missed a mammogram. It hadn't shown up on the last one. I think most breast cancers are found this way, which is why even though you have the mammogram dont stop examining yourselves.


Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 28, 2024, 01:28:09 PM
I agree.  Also ultrasound may be better than a mammogram.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Taz2 on January 28, 2024, 01:56:21 PM
My sister found her breast cancer herself and she had never missed a mammogram. It hadn't shown up on the last one. I think most breast cancers are found this way, which is why even though you have the mammogram dont stop examining yourselves.

Yes my best friend died eighteen months ago. Her cancer was on of the most common but is also one which doesn't show up on a mammogram. She found a tiny lump two months after her mammogram.

Taz x
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Jules on January 28, 2024, 05:05:00 PM
I've always said that screening tests are usually only as good as the day they're done and they do raise anxiety, ive had two mammogram recalls and was terrified, but some of the other problems mentioned are the fault of those assessing and decision making. I know two people whose bowel cancer was discovered through screening. Done effectively the normal health checks can at least point out options for a better lifestyle. They're just not done effectively enough. If things carry on as they are there'll soon be no room at the inn when it comes to the nhs
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Dierdre on January 28, 2024, 08:54:32 PM
One good thing came out of the messy year I had and that was the therapy for anxiety. I'm able to cope now much better than I've ever done before. Had an amazing therapist on the NHS.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Jules on January 28, 2024, 10:16:37 PM
That's good Deidre. Anxiety can be so debilitating.
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 30, 2024, 12:51:22 PM
Ayesha: R U better now?
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Post by: Ayesha on January 30, 2024, 02:04:51 PM
Yes, much better after a month of being very unwell, it wasn't a virus but a tooth ache. Tooth extraction went very badly but strong painkillers got me through the worst. Two weeks on from that I have an annoying piece of stitching that won't dissolve and its driving me nuts I can't seem to get hold of it to pull it out.
Any suggestions welcome  :)

 
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 30, 2024, 03:29:49 PM
OH DEAR!  Had I missed that bit of info., if so, sorry  :-\.   

Sutures feel like bits of rope in the mouth  :o  ::) I'm always surprised at how thin they are when removed.  Had those when Wisdom teeth went in 1981, supposedly dissolvable. 

If U are close to the dental surgery I would nip back and ask for someone to give it a tug ;-). 
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Ayesha on January 30, 2024, 04:12:21 PM
After the worst experience of my life I won't be in a hurry to visit the dentist again, hopefully for a long time :o


Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 30, 2024, 04:43:31 PM
I can understand your reluctance! 
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: fiftyplus on January 30, 2024, 05:47:42 PM
Awww glad to hear you are feeling better.  Maybe just phone the dentist and ask for their advice - you may not need to go back to see them - I don't think anyone likes a visit to the dentist.  Take care Mrs x
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Taz2 on January 31, 2024, 07:14:58 AM
I had a stubborn suture after a roots extraction. It was so annoying but the dentist soon sorted it for me. Didn't hurt.

Taz x
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Ayesha on January 31, 2024, 04:19:46 PM
A cotton wool ball soaked in salt water did the trick, thankfully  :)
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: CLKD on January 31, 2024, 04:22:15 PM
And tweezers ?
Title: Re: Viruses are not like they used to be
Post by: Ayesha on January 31, 2024, 08:05:19 PM
Didn't have to, the salt treatment helped to dissolve the stitches more and they came away easily a little while later during the day.