Menopause Matters Forum
General Discussion => New Members => Topic started by: Unhinged on August 08, 2015, 08:49:40 PM
-
Hello everyone, I'm new here, very first post. I've been putting up with pretty bad meno symptoms for over two years. I have waited this long because I could just about cope (I mean only just) with all the physical stuff, but over the last few weeks I have been floored by anxiety attacks - never experienced any such thing in all my life! Have taken it as a bit of a personal insult really as I am the most level headed unpanickable person I know, so it's knocked me for six! Hence my moniker "Unhinged" because that's what I feel like ha ha!
Doc gave me some beta-blockers, but I am trying HRT first. I do have one question if anyone can help? I started with Femseven Conti 50 patch (am 54 and 4 years postmenopause), trouble is the damn things will not stay on no matter what I do. That's a blow because it was only a few short days and I genuinely started feeling some benefits. Am now trying Femoston Conti ultra low dose - which are making me really sleepy. It's only been a few days, but can anyone tell me if that's the sort of side effect that may disappear in a couple of weeks? And if not, do any of you ultra-experienced ladies have any idea which tablet would be most similar in ingredients to a Femseven conti patch? No worries if you can't help, I wanted to post to say "Hi" to everyone anyway, my name's Shirley and I'm glad to join after a good few months of silently lurking on this forum - it's already been an enormous help!
-
:welcomemm:
There seems to be a bit of a nack in getting them to stick. Very dry unmoisturised skin. Stick it on and then hold your hand over them for at least a minute. That does the trick I think. I on another patch...Evorel Conti and they stick like whatnot to a blanket ;D
You can use beta blockers quite happily alongside HRT but I think you are making the right decision in trying them separately as then you know what is working.
Sorry can't help with the pill equivalent, but would like to say patches are considered to be "safer" as you get older and have less side effects especially digestive ones.
Nice to have you with us.
Honeyb
X
-
Thanks very much Honeybun, yes I tried holding them for even a couple of minutes or more - I think I must be a greasy type or something! Evorel, yes, that might be one to try, I've read a few of your posts before (recognised your name instantly!) and remember you like Evorel, I was only put off by a few posts where some ladies had said that particular prog in the Evorel caused them problems, but I think I'm going to give them a try - I much prefer the thought of patches as I do have some digestive problems too.
I will try the BBs if I have to, my anxiety is strange in that I can be perfectly fine for a couple of weeks and then, wham! the anxiety comes out of nowhere, so I didn't really want to take them continuously.
Thanks again for your advice and welcome, I really appreciate it! x
-
Maybe Valium on an as-necessary basis would suit you better? I used it for years in the 1990s, the evening before an event I couldn't get out of and if required, during the day.
Anxiety attacks are dreadfully debilitating. My first was at age 3 :-\. I take Betablockas at night as well as having an emergency drug when panic attacks take over.
Have a browse round ;) :welcomemm:
-
Thanks CLKD, I did wonder about Valium being more suitable. Like Honeybun, I know your name well - have read loads of your posts re anxiety, and thanks a lot because you have helped me even when you didn't know you had! Yes I agree, debilitating is the right word, when they come I go very strange, like a rabbit caught in the headlights, can't move, speak to anyone or eat, stomach clenches into a tight knot, feel like I'm going totally mad, and can't move! Just sit frozen staring ahead. Even going upstairs to the loo seems impossible. Even when I tell myself it's hormones, it doesn't make any difference, the terror sets in and I can't get out of it. How on earth you coped aged 3 I will never know! Thanks so much for the welcome, and yes, I am going to ask doc about valium as it does seem more appropriate.
-
:wub: ………. :thankyou:
Let us know what your GP thinks about your taking Valium. Are the Betablockas on an as-necessary basis, I take mine every night. 40mg.
When I get an adrenaline surge it feels like hot water flowing through my veins :-\
-
I have Diazapam for the very worse of times. I take rarely but just the thought that they are there can help.
Have you thought about relaxation techniques or mindfulness. They might be helpful when you get an attack.
You will probably have seen me post before about Dr Clair Weekes. She explains very well what is happening to your body and how to cope and accept. When I am having a bad time I read my copy that is next to my bed......it has helped a lot.
Honeyb
X
-
I will do re the valium, and yes that's exactly it with the adrenaline rushes - I feel like someone has turned my kettle on, it takes my breath away! I also have a potential other problem in that they found a mass on my adrenal gland - I'm not at all concerned and I doubt it's malignant but they are doing tests to see if it is "active" and influencing my hormone levels; my cortisol is nearly double what it should be, so I seem to have all sorts of hormone trouble not just the meno ones!
But the rushes and surges leave me in a heap - it's almost funny in that it's so ridiculous the amount of stuff we've all got going on!
But, I can cope with any of the physical stuff as bad as it is sometimes, it's the anxiety I can't cope with; sometimes it turns very dark, dredging up memories from the past and it exaggerates them to be even worse than they were. I can't believe that my own mind and body is trying to sabotage me!
Re the BBs, he prescribed me 40mg twice a day, but I asked him if I could take them as needed and he agreed. But I still think you're right in that valium would suit the circumstances better.
-
Honeybun, is Diazepam similar to valium? (sorry if it's a daft question, am new to all this type of drug). But it's funny that you say that, since I've had the BBs I do feel a sort of comfort in knowing they're there even though I've never taken one.
No I hadn't seen that about Dr Weekes, I've written it down and will find out. It can be really usefeul to know what's happening when it's happening so I might be able to ride through them a bit better.
-
Same drug ……… different name ::)
-
Ah ha! Diazepam and valium the same - now I'm learning stuff! Thankyou very much both of you!
-
You're welcome! Why do Drug Companies give medications such long names ;D
-
Tee hee, yeah, I can barely spell them let alone pronounce them!
-
Imagine taking them down in shorthand ;D
-
Ha ha ha, am cracking up, that's blooming funny!
-
You can find her books on Amazon. Self help for your Nerves is the one I have. They are old fashioned but it has been the one book for me that's helped.
And it only cost 99p ;D
Honeyb
x
-
Hello Unhinged and welcome to the forum (loving the name btw)
Like you I lurked for some time and found the site a great source of information and comfort, but being able to chat to all the other women who are going through the same thing is even better, it's good to talk!
I hope you find the regime that works for you and that you start feeling better soon.
Wishing you well and take care.
K.
P.S Can I ask how your Adrenal problem was diagnosed? I wonder if that is something us women of a certain age should be looking out for.
-
Hi Shirley, from a fellow sufferer.
Read all this great advice with interest, and a light at the end of the tunnel is just great.
Shirely, I know that 'unhinged' feeling all too well.
-
Hi Ladies, am sneakily posting from work - yeah work on a Sunday!
Thanks Honeybun, I am going to get Dr Weekes book, sometimes old-fashioned is best!
Hi SadLynda, sorry to ehar you're suffering too, I looked at your newbie post, yes the crying - it's so exhausting! I do understand if you're worried about HRT, I was too which is why I put it off; particularly as my grandmother died of breast cancer, but it got to the point where my quality of life is most important to me. Sounds really bad but I'd even sacrifice a few years to have some good ones. Personal choice everyone has to make I know.
Kathleen, thankyou for the welcome, yes doesn't it really make a difference when you can talk to others who are in the same leaky boat! With regards to the adrenal mass, they found this by chance. I have a hiatus hernia which causes GERD - the reflux was so bad I was waiting for an anti-reflux operation, but got so tired of waiting on the NHS that I saw a private consultant. He ordered a CT scan to make sure it wasn't something else causing my stomach discomfort, and the mass showed up on the scan. Lots of people get them apparently, and the chance of them being malignant is pretty low, but even when they are not malignant they can be what they call "active" and influence hormone levels in the body - too much or too little cortisol (stress!), adrenaline surges, amongst other things, and can cause Cushings disease. I am seeing an endocrinologist now who has done a variety of tests and I should get results by end of month. Because an adrenal mass is not rare, I do wonder if lots of people have them - particularly women over 50 - and don't realise it. They can cause as many problems as the meno hormones, and if any women are experiencing troubles - particularly where HRT is not helping, I think it is well worth checking out. A doctor can arrange tests for cortisol, and refer to an endocrinologist too, but I think they won't do it unless it's specifically requested - the expense of course! I hope that helps someone somewhere; it's not always the menopause that is totally responsible, as I may find out depending on my results.
-
Hi unhinged
I too am really suffering with Anxiety which is really severe. I am 56 and was doing fine on Oestrogel with separate Prog. However, for almost a year now I have suffered to the point I have become almost agrophobic. I make any excuse not to go out, as I feel so ill, panic, dizziness, jelly legs ect. I was told I had become sensetised to the gel and it has stopped working as well. I have tried other HRT such as Everal, estrodot, but to no avail. I did however feel the anxiety improved on Angeliqu tablet. Unfortunatly at week 7 the depression it me like a ton of bricks, I couldn't get off the bed and had intrusive thoughts about dying (scared the crap out of me) gone back on the gel and the anxiety is back too.
I think to myself things will settle soon >:( Funny thing I was reading a book this morning about Agrophobia and realised I had this when I had my daughter 39 years ago but never told anyone as I was only 18. I lived a secret life of panic, could not travel on pubic transport ect. Things improved after a few years of suffering.
p.s have never been able to take ad, they make me really ill
Wx
-
Hi Warwick,
Sorry to hear you're suffering too, I have never tried ADs, and this anxiety thing has come out of nowhere for me and it's quite a shock! I too am putting off social activities and I completely understand your phrase "I make any excuse not to go out, as I feel so ill" - that's hitting the nail right on the head, the affects from the anxiety are so much worse than the other meno symtoms and they really make me feel so unwell, every single day, jelly legs as you say, sometimes I feel like I'm going to collapse, shaking, gasping for breath and a constant geenral malaise like I have a bad virus. I keep thinking like you, hoping it'll settle soon.
"Intrusive thoughts about dying", yes I get those at my worse times, even thinking about the best and quickest way to do it - don't think I ever could, but the thought still comes in doesn't it? I am considering hypnotherapy to try to turn the negative thoughst around when they come.
You have given HRT a real good go, wonder if beta blockers or even valium might help as the other ladies have suggested, for the really bad moments. I'm going to look into this myself. I will try anything, and you've been suffering for so long. I have to do something because I can't risk my job, and at the moment I sometimes can't even bear to have a face to face conversation with someone, I just want to lock myself away on my own. It's good to talk with you and other ladies who know exactly what I mean.
-
Warwick01 it's very interesting that you say you also suffered with anxiety and agrophobia when your daughter was born, and that it went away after a few years.
Did you realise it was most probably post natal depression?
The only other time in my life that I have sufferered with anxiety like this was after my first baby was born. I was riddled with panic every day and irrationality anxious about stupid things. I was a complete mess. Scared of my own lovely baby. I took ADs but they made me feel robotic. In the end I stopped taking them when my daughter was 3. Felt better inside and never looked back until all this peri madness started 2 years ago.
-
Hi unhinged and welcome. Glad you are enjoying the forum already. I have benefitted a lot from things I have read and learned and ladies I have talked to. It has more to offer than a lot of things that taste nasty and come in bottles or blister packs :)
-
Thanks very much for the welcome Babyjane, and yes the things that taste nasty (ha ha) and other medical stuff is just a part of the advice I've gained from here, I think just knowing I'm not the only one has been the biggest help I've benefitted on from this forum - how did our previous generations manage without the Internet and access to the support what we have on here?!
-
They didn't ! Years and years ago some women were committed to mental asylums ! Just awful. :-\
-
Hi Dazned, yes it's horrific isn't it, the things people were put in asylums for, it doesn't bear thinking about. Even my own mum didn't have any help except to be told she was agoraphobic and given sleeping tablets. I remember when I was a kid seeing her holding a breadknife to her wrist, I was not aware what was happening of course, but looking back she went through hell with her menopause. We don't all feel like it all the time, but we are so lucky.
-
there have been quite a few times when I, feeling low and bothered about something trivial, have logged in only to find someone else talking about the very same thing. It gives you a lift every time it happens.
I was scared of my mum when I was a child. Now I am sure it is because she had a hysterectomy when she was 38 (as did I) but in those days there was no help or explanation given about the effects of hormones. She was quite cross and irritable most of the time and I was always scared it was my fault.
-
I understand Babyjane, my mum was often irritable and cross like your mum was, I was always walking on eggshells, scared of saying the wrong thing because I didn't want to upset her. Now that she's gone, I so wish I had known what was happening so I could have helped somehow, just done something to make things easier for her - though at a very young age I probably wouldn't have understood even if it was explained to me. I feel gutted that she didn't have help and might have been scared and no help offered to her, except thank god for my Dad who really looked after her.
-
I came to realise in later life that part of the problem was my father and our home situation (long boring story). After he died she moved to live nearer to us and had a wonderful final 14 years of her life. She became a lovely mum and nanny to our three children and it was so well deserved. She had a rough time when I was young.
-
The start of the story doesn't sound so good Babyjane but that's lovely that she had a lot of good years with your family for the latter part of life. It's very hard to come to terms with bad stuff happening to your parents, particularly when it's outside your control; my mum had a terrible unbringing in the 1920s and 30s, she had a very cruel father and the archetypical wicked stepmother, the stories other family members told us about what they did to her makes my blood run cold. I find it hard to deal with sometimes, I'm so grateful my Dad came along to rescue her and was with her for over 50 years til the end. So at least both our mums had a happy ending!
-
This is such a good topic. Anxiety in my opinion is a lonely business. Nobody apart from you ladies seem to understand how bad things can be. I even scare myself with the irrational thoughts that pop in my head (all part of anxiety)
I know I must force myself to go out but the jelly legs, panic are so intense it scares the hell out of me >:(
GRL - yes I suffered at 18 after having my first baby. I had no one to turn too, my mum made me leave home and my partner at the time was not interested in me or my baby. He left soon after, leaving me to survive on my own. I never told anyone as I was scared I would have my baby taken away. No one ever eared of post natal depression 38 years ago. I came through it then so hoping I survive this time Although this does feel a lot worse.
Thank goodness for you ladies, some days I think this must be mental illness and understand why ladies were locked away in years gone by.......... Thank goodness people now can see a link to hormones.
Oh well tomorrow is another day!! ;)
Wxx
-
I agree Warwick, I'm only new but already I feel this is the one place where I can talk openly about the anxiety - even my nearest and dearest who would support me whatever I have, cannot understand like we all do simply because they have not experienced it themselves. I find it such a comfort coming in here!
It is the terror isn't it Warwick, having to force yourself to go out, I do because I have to go to work and actually I'm ok with that so long as I keep on going out. I have two days off per week and I have noticed that if I don't go out those days the anxiety becomes worse, so even if I've nothing particular to do I make myself go to the supermarket or something just to make sure I keep going out - even though the jelly legs leave me gripping the shopping trolley handle for dear life! If I stay in for two days I feel myself going into total meltdown mode!
Sounds like you had a terrible time after your baby, you were not treated well!
Even while having my darkest thoughts though, I still believe that one day - maybe when the hormones finally settle - we will be able to move on from the crippling anxiety, or at least see it reduced to a more tolerable level. And you never know, they may even come up with other ways/new meds to help us all! x
-
:-\ - there are meds available now ………..
I have found Rescue Remedy mouth spray useful in the past, there are pastilles too.
For me the anxiety hits below the belly button and my whole gut area tightens. Then my thighs to weak followed by total feeling that my legs will collapse. 2nd level of panic begins and I look for a way out. Psychologists told me to stand and work through it but that has never worked, I have to flee. Only then am I in any way controlling what I'm doing even if I can't control how I feel! Then the light-headedness starts :-\ - after all that, once the anxiety lessens, I am OH SO tired.
-
Hi again CLKD, yes we have meds available now and I'm going to try all of them if necessary! But maybe one day there will be a single pill that works instantly on all menopausal/anxious women with no side effects whatsoever and makes us feel like we're 25 again - then I woke up ha ha!
Yeah, I understand what you mean, it hits me in the gut too, that along with the jelly legs, and jelly arms as well for that matter, and makes me want to run - but no idea where to so I just sit and freeze instead. Oh god yes, the sheer exhaustion of it! Talking of which, bedtime, work again tomorrow.
Just to add that I too have Rescue Remedy spray, bought it in desperation not imagining that it would make the slightest bit of difference - I was amazed that it does actually help a bit, sort of takes the edge off. Night night all, hope you have a good dry sleep!
-
Hi - with me, I can drive to the supermarket, then as soon as I get out of the car I start to feel giddy, then the what if's then the jelly legs, feel like a poker going through my stomach. I push myself watching all other people relaxed putting their shopping in the trolley, me I run around leaving as quickly as I can. Once, only a few weeks ago I ran out of Aldi because standing in the long queue was intolerable :(
I gave up work because of this and often wonder if it was right decision as I have become more isolated.
Its good to know Im not alone ;)
W
-
I have an arrangement to take my friend out for coffee on wednesday and I am already thinking of cancelling it although there really is no reason to do so. What is that all about then? I will not cancel it, but I want to :(
-
Yep, I'm like that too. No longer bother making arrangements, will go out spontaneously though.
Warwick - you did the correct thing at the time! I tend to shop when it's quieter, I never allow the pantry to run down so I don't back myself into a corner.
I curl up into a ball when really anxious until the med. works. I want to run but where to :-\
-
Running is so the wrong thing to do. It reinforces the feelings that there is something to be scared of.
I found it the hardest thing, just to stand there when everything in my head was screaming to get out.
I used to go with hubby, if I couldn't stand in the queue then I would go for a short wander leaving hubby with the trolley and then go back. I would also get my phone out and look at photos just to distract myself. I did it over and over and eventually my brain accepted nothing bad had happened and wasn't likely to. I still have wobbles but just keep plugging away.
Please don't run or it will never improve.
Honeyb
X
-
Anxiety........ I know it's so wrong to run but I feel intense fear of fainting in front of people. I worry about what people think of me, I guess that's my problem >:(
Saying that the symptoms are real.......... esp the light-headedness I feel, I am sure if I didn't have the physical symptoms I would progress.
Your comments really help Wx
-
Wow, all I can say is 'yes, me too'.
I have just had my nettle tea and its awful, had sage tea this morning?? now I am turning into a health freak in an effort to feel better before my appointments, 'Unhinged' my first post was then, now like many here I really dont care.. I am taking a barage of natural remedies to just try keep my sane till I can see what is what.
My Mum had a hysterectomy at age 40 and was 'left to it' I was young then so no idea what she went through, she was telling me today and how of course there was no information for them, they just went by what the doctor said ::)
I also had post natal depression 24 years ago and spent a few years on AD's, then again during my divorce.. I dont really want to go there again.
oh yes, anxiety and not going out.. tick that box too.
-
Once I flee I'm in control again. I used to walk briskly but numbly back to the car where DH would eventually find me. The anxiety would begin on the way to town, a journey of 15 miles :-\ ….. sometimes I was unable to get out of the car.
Light headedness follows quite soon after the legs go wobbly, then I'm really stuffed ! Once I got to town this morning though I was OK, there's no rhyme nor reason. If I could have 1 issue that made me anxious then I could cope better but it is so random :'(
-
'No longer bother making arrangements, will go out spontaneously though'.
^ this is so true. I make arrangements when I feel ok and by the time they come round I don't feel ok any more :(
-
Same with me - really difficult to make arrangements due to the ever present risk of a panic happening. I was pleased with myself yesterday though as I went to a family meet-up which involved a 300 mile round trip - something that I used to love doing. I didn't know whether I was going until the last minute so didn't even tell anyone I was on my way. I was the Surprise Guest! ;D Had a few panics while I was there and especially on the journey. I find the halfway point the worst as there's as far to go as there is to get home. So daft. I left there at 8.00 and I just made it back in time for a glass of wine in the pub to toast my success. Felt really pleased with myself for doing something that used to be second nature. Sigh.
Taz x
-
Well done Taz ;D that is a real achievement!
Wx
-
Oh my, a NEW THING! I have just finished work, have been perfectly fine all day, I honestly haven't even thought about anxiety, then, driving the few miles home I started feeling anxious thinking about making my dinner and doing the laundry! Why on earth would that be!?! It makes no sense at all, but it was strong enough for me to decide that I would do laundry in the morning and I stopped at McDonalds (oh gawd) to pick up dinner. Now the pressure is off I feel ok again. Maybe that's it - that I knew I 'had' to do something, hadn't given myself the choice and it put pressure on. Even if that's right, how can such a small thing make me feel pressured? Is there a psychiatrist in the house ha ha!
-
Good on you Taz. It's heartening to hear of a success.
Re the fainting....that's exactly the way I feel/felt. The question I now ask myself is.
Have I ever fainted and made a show of myself....No
Have I ever thrown up in public......again ......No.
So the chances of that happening are so slim as to be almost non existent.
That's the thought I work with.
Honeyb
X
-
I have a fear of fainting in the supermarket. When my mum was this age she fainted in the supermarket on 2 occasions and they had to call an ambulance. She's no longer with us and it's probably psychological but I always feel Ill when I have to do the shop but am fine as soon as I get out.
-
Hi Sparkle,
That's an excellent point, I have never thought of that, yes and I think it could well be the case that many around us are feeling like it too - not good for them of course, but quite a comforting thought! (I am going to start looking at people's faces, anyone with a frozen-looking face like mine might be feeling just the same).
Unhinged (shirley) x
-
Yes we will, I mean we really will! It does show on people's faces when they're anxious, I just never thought to look before! Hey, this might be a way to distract ourselves from feeling anxious; studying and counting other people who are anxious - I can't wait to go shopping tomorrow!
-
Ha ha ha, I will, I might get a coffee and sit and watch, you can study the 'baskets only' queue from the in-store café, probably get most of the anxious ones there as can make a quicker exit (at least that's what I usually aim for if I can manage without a trolley-load). It really will be interesting, I'm usually head down and looking inward if you know what I mean dealing with my own anxiety, tomorrow I'm going to look at other people! x
-
I'm glad sparkle, you made me chuckle too, and the first person I see with a frozen face or a fixed grin, I shall ask them if it's you! (Good we can still laugh at ourselves in spite of it all!) xx
-
I have a drawer of fixed grins since the 1980s :-\ …….. good hourly rate ;)
I would miss out the middle event and be home with my jimjams on - anything to avoid the anxiety; then I do something which should trigger it and I'm fine ::)
-
Whose first in the line?
-
Yep count me in, can you do the frozen face and a stiff upper lip too CLKD? (This is weird talking to you on two threads at once ha ha!) x
-
can I come too? :)
-
You certainly can Babyjane, but be quick, I'm just writing out my shopping list then heading off to the supermarket to see how many other terrified faces I can see!
-
;D Another frozen terrified face here, or the one with the fixed grin for variety.
only way I can cope with shopping now is with my headphones in, blocking out the noise helps.
-
OH that was you I bumped into was it ;D - don't use your mobile phone for texting whilst walking or I'll take it from your hand :D (nother thread)
I used to stamp my feet ....... at least until I was in my mid-30s - would that be unhinged in any way ..........
-
all normal behavoir to me ;)
texting while walking does my head in too, bet you laugh almost as loud as me when they walk into something :D
-
Anxiety is a horror. I had a spell on Anti-Ds a couple of years ago and they did seem to help but I weaned myself off them when I didn't feel things warranted taking them.
Now I do get an odd mini panic attack. Had one yesterday at work. There was no need/reason for it (as I am alone in the office for a week). But I still spend a good hour or so barely able to breathe with my pulse fluttering like a trapped pigeon.
Went thru a stage a few yrs ago of having almost blackouts. I would stand in a shop and feel dizzy then would get a cold feeling across my face and my vision would go black but a split second later I was fine. Doc said it was stress (answer to everything I think).
Asked him one if I felt tired coz I was depressed or depressed coz I was tired - that floored him (until he wrote a prescription for more Prozac). So these days I try to have what I call "Default state cheerful". I try to spend my whole life being optimistic and cheerful (annoys the hell out of people). Hubby is trying the same. We have both found it hard to do but effective.
L
-
so you present a front of optimism and cheerfulness even if you do not feel it? So in doing so do you actually begin to feel it because, if so, I might try your way as I have spent a lifetime with my glass three quarters empty and it has done me no good at all :)
-
Hi SadLynda, welcome to the Frozen Face Club!
And CLKD, nah, I reckon they probably thought you were just dancing - remember The Stomp (nearly like stamping your feet!).
Hi LellyM, yeah 'horror' is bang on. There must be something in what you say, I wonder if forced cheerfulness can change your mindset, I mean actually make your own mind believe that everything is hunky-dory? I'm going to try it!
I'm back from my shopping experiment! Well it wasn't that busy so shorter on subjects than I'd hoped, but, I did look at people, and a few of them were looking straight ahead and walking around a bit 'stiff'-like and on a mission, interesting that all the people who I thought could possibly be anxious were all women on their own, the men all seemed to be the sauntering around whistling types.
One good thing came of it though, I was so set on looking to see how many other terrified people there were, that apart from just one jelly-like moment I completely forgot about how I might be feeling myself!
-
Hi LellyM, yeah 'horror' is bang on. There must be something in what you say, I wonder if forced cheerfulness can change your mindset, I mean actually make your own mind believe that everything is hunky-dory? I'm going to try it!
sort of like resetting your mind's default setting. I'm going to try it too. Let's compare notes in say, a week?
-
Good idea Babyjane, yes this time next week let's update! I'm going to think about instances I can try it - apart from overall I mean, I have already told a strong flush to b****r off and laughed at it, so that's a start. I might have to get stronger with anxiety if I feel that creeping up, laugh at it, and maybe even swear out loud at it! x
-
To HONEYBUN:
Hi Honeybun, I don't know if you're about but I wanted to let you know that I've taken your advice! On my way to the shops I went to see doc, I told him the Femoston Conti are making me feel very tired (and now gut's ache with 'strange occurrences' - won't elaborate in case anyone is still having lunch!). I told how the Femseven patch seemed to agree with me but had sticking problems and told him that several ladies on here say Evorel stick better, so I now have Evorel Conti patch to try - at least I will have, pharmacy ordered them ready for tomorrow pick-up. So thanks for the tip, I'll see how they go! x
-
:thankyou:
Let us know how you get on with them. I think you will find getting them off more of a problem ::)
Honeyb
X
-
Unhinged I am going to make a thread as the posts will get lost in here as the pages turn over :)
-
I will Honeyb - and I'd really like that problem! Imagine something working so well you have trouble coming off - a dream come true!
I took my Femoston tab last night so think it might be best if I skip tonight's and start on the patch when I get them tomorrow afternoon, not sure if that's the right way as it leaves me hrt-free for nearly a day.
One thing doc did say, was that because the Evorel only come in one strength that I could consider starting with half a patch to ease myself in. It sort of makes sense because my Femoston is ultra low dose, but I don't want to leave myself under-dosed either. Does anyone have any opinions on that? x
-
think our posts crossed unhinged. Made a thread in the All Things Menopause bit about trying to be optimistic. Let's try it for a week, can't make things any worse can it :)
-
Ok babyjane, excellent idea for a new thread, will look for it, or let me know what it's called! x
-
it is called 'accentuating the positive' (like the song) :)
-
Found it and posted! Calling the other anxious ladies from the last few pages - are you joining in? Please do, this could help us all I think, it's certainly worth a try! x
-
LellyM started it with her comment :)
So these days I try to have what I call "Default state cheerful". I try to spend my whole life being optimistic and cheerful (annoys the hell out of people). Hubby is trying the same. We have both found it hard to do but effective.
L