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Menopause Discussion => All things menopause => Topic started by: Jari on July 31, 2018, 12:04:13 PM

Title: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: Jari on July 31, 2018, 12:04:13 PM
Is everyone taking hrt having 6 monthly appointments for breast examinations and yearly mammograms? I see that is what the specialists recommend and wondered if this is the general rule?
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: Emerald2017 on July 31, 2018, 12:16:39 PM
Yeah I have the same information. I am 42 and my gyn said that it's wise to have scans every 6 months and a yearly mammogram. He said that it is not to due to hrt but it is a preventative practice.
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: CLKD on July 31, 2018, 12:22:31 PM
I wonder which Specialists recommend this?   Thinking of the potential side effects of radiation, I wonder if one doesn't have a history of breast disease in the family whether it really is necessary?

I don't think that the NHS will do annual examinations unless there is a history of breast disease. [which I have but don't go annually any more].  Maybe ring the X-ray Dept., then let us know?  Of course, if you are paying for treatment this may well be 'recommended'.
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: Emerald2017 on July 31, 2018, 12:28:37 PM
Yeah, he said that after 40 a yearly mammogram is recommended and a scan every 6 months is used as a preventative practice in case of an existing cancer.
Although the doc who I visit for my mammograms said that a scan every year is ok and I don't need scans every 6 months.
I choose to check my breasts more often because of my fear! :)
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: CLKD on July 31, 2018, 12:31:31 PM
I wouldn't want that much radiation in my system quite honestly.  If there is such a risk of cancer with or without HRT, all ladies should be offered yearly mammos.  I understood that it is 5 yearly until 70 unless one has had breast disease which is why I suggest ringing the app. department.  After 70 a lady has to request mammograms.  A scan is totally different to a mammogram by the way, probably means an 'ultra sound'?

 'in case of an existing cancer' - I don't understand.  'in case' - either 1 has had treatment or 1 is unaware of any existence of disease  :-\
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: Emerald2017 on July 31, 2018, 12:38:22 PM
I mean CLKD, according my gyns advice, that if there is a cancer, hrt will help it to grow faster. Scans have no radiation, they are simply ultrasounds. For the need for a yearly mammogram I don't know. In Greece, the country I am from, this is the basic recommendation after 40 and if there is a history of breast cancer it is recommended a mammogram at 35 as a base line.
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: CLKD on July 31, 2018, 12:41:03 PM
Your Gynae is out of date.  Do ask him for research evidence for his worries about breast disease and HRT.  Do you pay for treatment in Greece [and are you safe from wild fires ?  :-\]. 

Some ladies don't get cancer until after 35  :-\ ........  I would suggest that there is more risk from the radiation!
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: Emerald2017 on July 31, 2018, 12:46:08 PM
Yeah CLKD, I visit my gyn privately. I am on holidays now and I am really shocked from the tragedy with fires...  :'(
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: Emerald2017 on July 31, 2018, 12:49:13 PM
Hi Jean! Actually in Greece there is a panic about breast cancer risks and I really don't know if it is because of the money from mammograms...My mum was on Tibolone  for many many years and had her mammograms every 5 or more years but the official guidelines are different now. I don't know why...
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: Mary G on July 31, 2018, 01:38:29 PM
Jari, sorry I've just seen your question on the other thread.

I think Professor Studd recommends that women who have a particular BC risk should have yearly ultrasound which sounds like a good idea.  That said, there is no reason why you can't play it ultra safe and have one every six months.

Agree that too many mammograms are not good.   I have breast ultrasound every year and a mammogram every other year - they always do an ultrasound straight after a mammogram so you never have to wait for the result. 

My gynaecologist thinks ultrasound is better than mammogram overall and far more accurate.

Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: CLKD on July 31, 2018, 02:09:06 PM
Tnx Mary G. 

Is your place safe Emerald2017?
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: racjen on July 31, 2018, 05:07:31 PM
I'm amazed by the difference in recommendations, even amongst women in the UK, let alone Greece. I've had breast cancer, was diagnosed 2 years ago, and where I live in Devon it's a 2 yearly mammogram and no mention of ultrasound at all. I had a mastectomy; I guess if I'd only had a lumpectomy they'd be doing mammograms more often to check for local recurrence. As others have said, I wouldn't want more mammograms than this anyway, too much radiation and they're not that reliable as a diagnostic tool. You're better off checking yourself very regularly (I found the tumour in my breast myself) and maybe looking into thermography if you're really anxious about it and willing to pay.
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: Emerald2017 on July 31, 2018, 08:00:02 PM
Yes CLKD, the place where I live is safe but everyone is shocked from the tragedy with fires. So many people...babies dead because of it... :'( Now they try to find out the causes and political responsibilities...
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: Milamam on July 31, 2018, 08:40:37 PM
Hi and let me join in to this discussion.
I live in Bulgaria and while on HRT my gynea insists on 6 month ultrasounds  of breasts and a mamogram every 2 years. There is no firm rule here, i think it is his precaution . I see him privately. I don't have any family history of breast cancer  (thank God) but I still follow his directions anyway just to be on the safe side of mind.

Milamam xxx
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: racjen on August 01, 2018, 10:51:00 AM
Hi Jari, yes I am on HRT - I had a very sudden  menopause due to chemotherapy and the psychological effects have been awful, really bad depression and anxiety. The cancer was triple negative so there's no issue for me with staying away from oestrogen or progesterone. It's 18 months now since I finished treatment (surgery, chemo and radiotheraapy) and I still feel pretty awful, like I just don't really have a life anymore. My cancer was diagnosed at 49, so I hadn't quite reached the age where routine mammograms kick in in the UK; it wasn't even really a lump, just an area that felt a bit thicker than the rest. Thank god I was checking regularly....
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: CLKD on August 01, 2018, 08:42:57 PM
racjen - you have been through a shock, surgical intervention etc..  There is also the possibility that you need to mourn for the 'other' you B4 you can move forward.  During treatment I was fine, until after discharge from follow-up when I felt bereft if that makes sense, like my support line had broken.

Could your dose need a hike?
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: racjen on August 01, 2018, 09:03:52 PM
I'm on Evorel 100 and my estrogen level is over 1000 pmol so I doubt it. I've had talking therapy of various sorts over the last year, have seen a private specialist and a consultant psychiatrist and no-one can really come up with anything else. My suspicion is that it's the testosterone deficiency that's causing the ongoing problem, but I can't tolerate testosterone either so I've had to come to the conclusion that some problems just don't have a solution - sometimes life is just shit.
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: CLKD on August 02, 2018, 02:22:25 PM
Yep sometimes it simply is!   :-\. 

R U taking anything for the depression and anxiety?  Maybe a course of a suitable medication for 8-12 months will lift your mood.  Some people find yoga or tai chi helpful.
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: racjen on August 02, 2018, 10:08:31 PM
No, as I've posted on here quite a few times already, I'm one of the small minority for whom anti-depressants are really bad news, 8 different ones have left me feeling suicidal, beta-blockers likewise and I had to take such a high dose of diazepam to maintain any kind of response I'm now dependent and trying to come off. I'm on pregabalin but can't tolerate more than 100mg a day which has very little effect on my symptoms. That's why I say that sometimes life is just shit, nothing works.
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: CLKD on August 03, 2018, 03:34:24 PM
Tnx for the reminder.  Menobrain here doesn't hold much info any more  :-\

How much diazepam do you need to get through each day?  In the 1990s I found taking 5mg prior to events that I was unable to avoid really helped, knowing that I could take that x 3 times a day if necessary: I never required it the next morning >phew<.   Some people worry about being addicted but if it works  ??? ........... I said years ago that I would have taken heroine except I knew that would give me more problems >sigh<.   (((racjen)))
Title: Re: 6 monthly breast examinations for hrt?
Post by: racjen on August 04, 2018, 08:59:07 PM
I hit a point ages back where I was taking 15mg in one go first thing in the morning and it wasn't lessening the anxiety, but if I didn;t take it it was a hell of a lot worse. That's what's meant by developing tolerance - it's not doing you any good any more but you have to take it anyway. I've reduced down to 6.5mg over the last few months and am determined to keep going and get off it, but I know the lower I get dosewise the worse it will be. I don't share your opinion that this is a good and useful drug - it's highly addictive and does more harm than good in the end. If I'd been taken seriously in my conviction that my problems were hormonal in the first place I might not be in this situation now - GPS need to be challenged about their lazy attitudes to womens mental health problems.