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Title: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on July 24, 2013, 08:51:52 AM
On Friday I have an appointment at my hospital at the Assessment and Treatment Centre, with a Consultant or one of his team who specialise in spinal conditions.

I have been advised to allow half a day to enable all the relevant tests to be completed.

Does anyone know what sort of tests I can expect.

Really glad that at last I might at last get a diagnosis, my lower left back problems and referred pain has really been playing up this week, not made any better by the hot humid weather, even the exercises did not do the trick.

Started a new thread so that I can report and hopefully help other members with similar problems.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Joyce on July 24, 2013, 09:54:15 AM
Hope they get to the bottom of your problems silverlady.

I would imagine bloods and xrays. Possibly MRI/CT scans too.

Let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: CLKD on July 24, 2013, 10:50:35 AM
Take a list of your symptoms etc. so that you don't forget any salient points.

When my Consultant examined someone they would strip to knickers and bra; stand with their back to him and he would look at stance; how they walked as poor gait can be a factor; they would be asked to bend forwards to touch their toes - to see if the spine remained straight or if there was a lean: then the patient would lay on the bed, the legs would be measured (I had to carry a tape measure, pin, pens, book); legs would then be lifted to see how the hamstrings work, hips would be examined by turning the legs inwards and outwards; blood tests and X-rays would be arranged - no MRIs etc. in those days  ::)
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on July 24, 2013, 12:31:51 PM
Have had the bloods and X-ray and will take copies with me, also had the physical tests (CLKD described) not had my legs measured though,  with Physio and Osteopath and neither asked me to strip down to bra and pants! Their verdict, stiffness and curved lower spine which makes bottom stick out and is genetic.

I am hoping they do suggest a CT scan or MRI, that really gets to the bottom of things, if you know what I mean ;D

Will have to defuzz and I have bought a nice pair of white lace pants ( I don't usually wear knickers)  :)

Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: honeybun on July 24, 2013, 12:53:52 PM
Just wanted to wish you luck SL and hope you get an answer to your back problems.


Honeyb
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Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: CLKD on July 24, 2013, 02:31:57 PM
Your Physio should be able to suggest 'management techniques' once yo uhave had these examinations.  Make sure that your leg lengths ARE measured  ;) and your gait checked.  What footwear do you favour?
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: kerrieann on July 25, 2013, 09:06:15 AM
Good luck silverlady, do hope you get to the bottom of your problems, its half the battle knowing what we're up against.
Not sure if you saw my post but i think i may be onto something as well now trochanteric bursitis, but we will see  :) 
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on July 25, 2013, 09:48:00 AM
Just seen your post Kerrie and I really hope that it is trochanteric bursitis because it seems to have a good outcome and as you say a diagnosis is half the battle.

I did look at the symptoms and I don't think that trochanteric bursitis is what is going on with me as I can have a left leg ache to that goes down to my outer shin and the strange stinging and numbness on the lower outer thigh on my right leg too! which comes and goes, seems to suggest something to do with the nerves along with the clicking and ache going on in my lower left side of back  ::)

I will be keeping my fingers crossed for you Kerrie.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: kerrieann on July 25, 2013, 10:07:38 AM
I do hope you have some good news today  :)
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Greyhoundgal on July 25, 2013, 12:14:52 PM
Just seen your post Kerrie and I really hope that it is trochanteric bursitis because it seems to have a good outcome and as you say a diagnosis is half the battle.

I did look at the symptoms and I don't think that trochanteric bursitis is what is going on with me as I can have a left leg ache to that goes down to my outer shin and the strange stinging and numbness on the lower outer thigh on my right leg too! which comes and goes, seems to suggest something to do with the nerves along with the clicking and ache going on in my lower left side of back  ::)

I will be keeping my fingers crossed for you Kerrie.

I had this a few years ago and no, it doesn't sound the same as you.  I only had the pain around the actual hip joint (was tested for all sorts of things and even had the idea of hip replacement mooted by GP).  Finally saw a specialist who diagnosed it and I had steroid injections - the first one lasted almost two years, the 2nd lot not so long.  I finally had acupuncture for it and it seems to have done the trick - still get an odd twinge now and again but nothing like the original pain.  Hope you get on ok tomorrow and get some answers - finding out what's wrong seems to be half the battle.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: kerrieann on July 25, 2013, 12:49:19 PM
greyhoundgal, please can i ask, did you have a trochanteric bursitis ? if so am i doing the right thing at the min i am doing ice packs for 15 mins every hour and keeping off my feet as much as possible, i can't use anti inflammatory's, so just ice, the osteopath said to do this for a week and then i go back and then consider injection.
Well,  i am going for a weeks holiday 31st aug and last year our holiday was ruined because of this hip problem, i just could not walk, do you think i should go and see my gp and see if i can get the injection asap or carry on with rest and ice?
Sorry for all the questions but it is a relief to find someone who has actually gone through this and got it sorted.  :)
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on July 25, 2013, 01:07:59 PM
Hospital appointment tomorrow and if I am offered a steroid injection, will take it with open arms :D
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: kerrieann on July 25, 2013, 01:28:27 PM
my words exactly  ;D ;D  other half looked at me in disbelief when i said that,  give it me now  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Greyhoundgal on July 25, 2013, 03:06:13 PM
greyhoundgal, please can i ask, did you have a trochanteric bursitis ? if so am i doing the right thing at the min i am doing ice packs for 15 mins every hour and keeping off my feet as much as possible, i can't use anti inflammatory's, so just ice, the osteopath said to do this for a week and then i go back and then consider injection.
Well,  i am going for a weeks holiday 31st aug and last year our holiday was ruined because of this hip problem, i just could not walk, do you think i should go and see my gp and see if i can get the injection asap or carry on with rest and ice?
Sorry for all the questions but it is a relief to find someone who has actually gone through this and got it sorted.  :)

Yes I did Kerrieann and most painful it was too.  Mine started soon after we got our first dog - if you look it up you will see that often joggers get it so I put mine down to the extra exercise I had been doing.  A bursur is an inflamed sac that surrounds joints like hips, elbows etc but if you can't take anti inflamatories maybe try Turmeric capsules - they're a natural form of it and can work very well.  I think if you're going on holiday soon I would push for the injection though - not too painful although you are supposed to stay off your feet for 48 hours afterwards - I did that with the first one and it lasted ages but circumstances didn't allow me to rest enough after the 2nd.  But the best thing I did was see an acupuncturist - I was quite sceptical before I went but it was some of the best money I ever spent.  Hope this helps?
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: kerrieann on July 25, 2013, 03:30:34 PM
thanks greyhoundgal, thinking about it mine started on holiday where we walked for miles and not so at home, but we have had a pup, last February and i kept on trying to walk him because i thought i was suffering from sciatica and they said walking was good, in hindsight i see i was making things worse  :( i have an appointment tomorrow with my gp so i will ask for the injection.  thanks for the help.  kerrie
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: CLKD on July 25, 2013, 06:55:44 PM
If it is an injection into the hip joint then it may be given under GA  ;)
Certainly worth discussing the ins and outs with your GP.  Get a time-line on how long to use the ice packs for and when an injection would be considered.

My sciatica causes burning down the thigh in the early hours, never in the day but when I have slept heavily.  Occasionally the small of my back aches as if from inside, sometimes I can't weed for very long even though I kneel down to work in our garden.  Botheration 
>:(  ............. even when I take Nurofen at night the burning sometimes wakes me, I am considering going to the GP to check it is sciatica ....... then I plan to exercise more once the intense heat goes away.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on July 25, 2013, 07:16:38 PM
Exercise and walking makes things worse for me, that's what makes me so fed-up as I have always enjoyed walking to keep fit and to keep weight down.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: kerrieann on July 25, 2013, 09:36:20 PM
I can't walk at all even hobbling around in doors is so painful, which is why, when i checked out the website that i put in the earlier post, i feel sure that it is this bursitis, i cannot sleep on my side because of the pain, i will see what gp thinks tomorrow.  kerrie
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on July 26, 2013, 02:09:22 PM
Back from hospital and it was pretty straight forward, the consultant asked the relevant questions, did examination and performed the  tests, that I had already had.

He says wants he wants me to have an MRI scan to investigate sacroiliac joint and the possibility of nerve impingement with a view to an injection after seeing the results.

That was it, I was told it would be three to four weeks for the MRI appointment and I have an appointment on the ninth of September for the results.

No recommendation of what to do in the mean time so will carry on with Freeze Gel and ibuprofen.

I told him if the MRI was a tube I would only go in feet first and he made a note of it to pass on.

It  is progress I think.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: CLKD on July 26, 2013, 07:55:36 PM
That doesn't seem to long to wait.  Could you take a cancellation appt.?  If someone failed to show could you get there to take their space ...... worth ringing the Dept. to see?
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on July 28, 2013, 10:23:31 AM
Found this that's being talked about on another forum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK7hs7Dvmzo

I think its got merit and I am going to have a go.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on August 08, 2013, 01:42:36 PM
Have an appointment next Wednesday for MRI (going in feet first :))

Had a copy of the letter Consultant sent to my GP, saying all his tests were normal, no trochanteric tenderness, but certainly tenderness over the left sacroiliac area, also possible L4 nerve root pain.

The MRI is to look for possible foraminal narrowing at L4/5 or L5/S1, if they are normal then the next course of action would be to consider sacroiliac joint injections.

So there it is still putting on ibuprofen gel, but today I am going to take some timed release ibuprofen as its playing up.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: kerrieann on August 08, 2013, 01:55:59 PM
happy for you, at least you are on the way now to finding a reason for your pain  :)
I am off to see practice nurse at half 3 to get my blood pressure meds. changed just one more thing to tick off the list of what is causing my groin pain.
Hopefully we will both get somewhere soon.  kerrie
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on August 08, 2013, 02:43:48 PM
Good luck Kerrie for this afternoon.  :)

This was in my inbox this morning.

"Your choices for treatment of back pain are surgery, steroid injections, pain medications, exercise strengthening and stretching programs, and techniques that place external force on the back such as deep massage, manipulation and passive stretching. Because surgery has such a high failure rate, it is usually recommended only when there is danger of permanent injury such as loss of feeling, loss of muscle control or intractable pain. Steroid injections offer temporary relief, but almost never cure back problems.

When possible, first line treatment is a program of active exercise to strengthen and stretch belly, back and leg muscles along with manipulation and deep massage, which is far more effective than bed rest. Strength training requires supervised exercising against progressively greater resistance one to three times a week. Stretching includes daily stretching of the back and leg muscles. Deep massage can be so painful and so irritating to the skin that it often is done only once a week. Superficial light massage has not been shown to help cure back pain. Manipulation can relax muscles that have gone into spasm and help to relieve pain effectively.

Anyone with presistent low back pain should check with his or her doctor to rule out a serious cause"

Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: CLKD on August 09, 2013, 04:36:11 PM
Spinal/neck manipulation should only ever by done UNDER General Anaesthetic as any resistance by the patient can cause paralysis and occasional can be fatal.

It is a ruff treatment - seen it done  ::) .......... when the patient is completely relaxed there is less danger of the procedure going 'wrong'.  Traction used to be a treatment too, with the patient flat on their back with legs weighted ....... to stretch the discs. Don't know if this is a 'popular' method of relief these days.

Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on September 03, 2013, 01:23:20 PM
Due to go for MRI results of Friday.

Up until four days ago I was really down and back pain seemed to be getting worse and I was waking up tired and down, I decided to take one slow release ibuprofen on Saturday and a tiny sliver of zopiclne to relax muscles and make me sleep, and Sunday I woke up and hardly any discomfort, so have done that up until today, one ibuprofen and a tiny piece of zopiclone.

Each day I have felt better and today have done nearly 5.000 steps and no back ache, now I am wondering if this is a fluke or my regime has helped.

Thought I would have ibuprofen and sliver of zopiclone free day tomorrow and see how I am on Thursday.

Feeling some trepidation as to what MRI results show, I have had the pain constantly since before Christmas, must say today felt good with no discomfort, its a lovely feeling..
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Trey on September 03, 2013, 03:19:50 PM
Hope you get good results. Please google oh I'll just get link,and send to you.  Best care in world for SI. I'm down today with back.  Too much acrobatics of late.

http://thelowback.com/. Best explanation and self treatment there is for SI joint dysfunction.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on September 03, 2013, 03:56:25 PM
Thanks for link Trey, will read.

Hope you back gets better soon, don't think I could cope with acrobatics at the moment, but I was very good in the past ;D
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Ju Ju on September 04, 2013, 01:01:51 AM
Best wishes.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Greyhoundgal on September 04, 2013, 01:43:56 PM
Hope you get some good results on Friday.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on September 07, 2013, 11:33:59 AM
Results of my MRI yesterday boiled down to mild wear and tear and some intermittent Meralgia paresthetica on outer upper thigh, but no evidence of pinched nerves, otherwise healthy looking spine.

On the report

" Mild spondylitic changes but overall alignment otherwise normal. Minor 11 Modic changes at L3/4, L45 and L5/S1. Minor disc bulges present but  no significant disc herniation overall with preserved spinal canal and neural foramina"

I was told it was referred to as mechanical pain, nothing serious. No sign of arthritis.

The Doctor gave me the report to show Osteopath if I decide to go for further treatment., she asked me if I had tried Acupuncture.

Told that if pain and discomfort continued to go to GP and ask to be referred to Pain Clinic with a view to an injection, she did suggest amitriptyline but I declined.

It has put my mind at rest in one way but still looks as if I will have to continue with pain management and hope it all heals naturally. I don't like the idea of anti-inflammatories daily but hopefully they will aid healing.
 
Would be grateful if any ladies can intemperate the report in layman's terms.

My one concern is if mild bulging discs could lead to disc herniation's.

Have just ordered some Serrapeptase will monitor my progress

http://www.serrapeptase.info/Serrapeptase-Category/Serrapeptase-Testimonials/back-problems-lower-testimonials/





 
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Trey on September 08, 2013, 12:57:43 AM
Most lower back pain is due to unrecognized Sacro iliac joint dysfunction.  It does not show up on MRI. The minor disc bulges are a relatively normal finding and nothing to think about.  Yours is a good report.  I would look up Richard Dontigney rounds for a full discussion of SIJ pain and exercises to cure and prevent.  Can be life changing.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on September 08, 2013, 08:36:59 AM
Trey, I did think that Sacro iliac joint dysfunction would not show up on MRI, and wondered if I should mention it to Dr who interoperated the results, but being the NHS thought better of it.

Chiro and Osteopaths are familiar with it I know and now I have the results I will go down that path.

I have the link you sent me and will look up Richard Dontigney.

Thank you Trey x

The Serrapeptase is a natural anti inflammatory.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Trey on September 09, 2013, 01:48:51 PM
SIJ (Sacro iliac joint) dysfunction is so under diagnosed because does not show on X-ray or MRI because it is very slight movement of the bony sides of the triangle that is the joint.  The triangle fits between the pelvis and when it moves out of place it can be a tight pulling feeling to absolute agony.  I can shift mine back in place when I get the tight muscle spasm to relax.  I bend forward over a table and take my leg back, knee bent and lift one leg at a time behind me.  I call it my donkey kick.  I do it very gently after I've applied heat or ice.  I make a pop that is easily heard by others.  Then I wear a Sacro belt to hold pelvis in place.  The ligaments stretch and make it easier for joint to slip so I use belt, sometimes for weeks when I am active and sometimes at night.

My SIJ is out now and belt is on.  Seems to happen every four or five months when my neck is out.  Neck curve and lumbar curve work together and my neck is bad due to excessive  typing and reading of late.

Reading .don.tigney will help.  Google all the sites. So much good info.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on September 24, 2013, 01:03:26 PM
Have an appointment on Friday with my Dr to discuss referral for an injection, back not getting any better, also have found what looks like a good Osteopath and after Friday will ring up for an appointment.

Trey I did try your exercise and could not get my joint to pop back, perhaps I was not doing it properly.

I keep thinking that if I did not have this lower right back problem I would feel so well and healthy.

Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on September 30, 2013, 08:43:21 AM
Went to Drs on Friday, she told me that she was surprised that the hospital had not continued with treatment for injection and she would investigate, in the meantime she has referred me to Pain Management which of cause has a waiting list.

Dr also OKed me seeing an Osteopath and said to take my history and test results with me for Osteopath to see, also suggested trying Acupuncture.

I have to continue with anti-inflammatories which is important, I hate taking them but when I leave off I certainly pay for it.

Thank you CLKD for your tip about ibuprofen being a muscle relaxant too, it has spurred me on to continue with them. I take time release from TESCO only 32p a pack! I take 400mgs every few days which is not a large amount and make sure I take with cold water and a sandwich.

Maybe I will beat this chronic discomfort after all.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on October 01, 2013, 04:02:11 PM
Have bought a bottle of Honegar today from health shop to add to my Arsenal

http://thebeachhousekitchen.wordpress.com/2012/07/28/the-wonders-of-honeygar-and-the-alkaline-body/

Back a lot better today not sure why.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on October 04, 2013, 10:20:02 AM
Went to Osteopath yesterday , she was very thorough and I took all my results from NHS with me.

She says I have a twisted pelvis, one leg slightly longer then the other, and as I know a very curved outwards lower back, I do look normal though ;D

There are a combination of things that have led up to the chronic lower back pain which she is hoping to correct, she has started with a correction to my pelvis.

This morning I woke with very little aching, but I did tale two ibuprofen yesterday, she did say that it is important to continue this for the inflammation more then the discomfort.

Also another thing which I have found out for myself is to Ice rather then use Rubs that heat up, because they increases inflammation, she recommended Bio Ice though I have found Mac's ICE Analgesic Gel really good.

Another appointment next week and I am feeling hopeful. 
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Greyhoundgal on October 07, 2013, 12:17:03 PM
Glad the Osteopath is starting to help - do you get that on the NHS or are you having to pay for it privately?
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on October 07, 2013, 04:02:24 PM
Osteopath not on NHS, I don't think you can see one other then paying.

A bit disappointed  as once the two ibuprofen tablets I took before seeing Osteopath last Thursday wore off the aches and discomfort have come back, will be seeing her again on Friday, if I still don't get any results will reconsider whether to continue.

I have just ordered a new egg shell foam orthopaedic mattress the one I have now is years old and rather ropey so hoping that will be more comfortable.   
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Greyhoundgal on October 08, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Try and carry on if you can - I know when I started phsyio for my back it made the pain worse initially but it did help in the long run.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on October 12, 2013, 04:06:13 PM
My egg box memory foam mattress topper arrived yesterday, I put it on the bed last night changed the sheets, used my new silk pillowcase, and slept like baby, I was so comfortable. 

Went to the osteopath yesterday afternoon and she said it would take time to correct my lower back as it had been like it for a long time, she really worked on it for nearly an hour and I could feel my back lengthening, she was working on the tailbone area.

I took some ibuprofen yesterday morning , not had any since last Friday. Today I feel as if my back is completely normal, but will wait to see how I feel when the time release ibuprofen wears off.

I just enjoyed the day today.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on December 13, 2013, 01:42:07 PM
Saw Consultant today it was at a private hospital, very impressed with him.

I will be having a course of injections in January, it is a procedure as they use a Xray device to guide the injection, I also have an appointment at their Sports and Physiotherapy Clinic too in January.

The Consultant says I have Sacroiliitis, he was very thorough.

Feeling more hopeful.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: CLKD on December 13, 2013, 02:34:35 PM
Anything with 'itis' in the word means inflammation  ;) : appendicitis, tonsillitis, brochintis ...........

Will the injection be done under GA? or using purely X-ray control?
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on December 13, 2013, 03:05:30 PM
Injection to numb the area then Xray guided, can't say I am looking forward to it.

Consultant also said daily stretch exercises for life :o also suggested Pilates and aqua aerobics.

He confirmed that left leg is slightly shorted then right, though said that this is not unusual, that's why I they are making an appointment for the Sport and Physiotherapy Clinic. they will check gait, he seem impressed with my posture and mentioned it twice saying it was very good ( thank you mum for always saying " put your shoulders back and pick your feet up" ;D)

 
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: CLKD on December 13, 2013, 07:17:34 PM
 ;D  my posture is AWFUL these days, I see myself in a shop window  :o and was caught on camera yesterday  :-\ - DH needs to remind me to 'pull those shoulders back'  :poke2:

You may benefit from a shoe raise, either in the heel area inside the shoe or on the underside so that your back doesn't compensate.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on December 18, 2013, 10:03:10 AM
Trey, on your always very good advice I have bought a  Super-pulsed Cold Laser Therapy Soft Laser Pain Relief Therapy LLLT, awaiting delivery.

I may avoid pain relief injections yet :)
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Trey on December 19, 2013, 05:45:15 PM
I have been layering friends and they all report great relief.  One whose back was out for weeks is now pain free.  His doctor approved first.  Will be so nice to hear a good report for you SL.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on December 20, 2013, 11:40:22 AM
Here is a youtube on the powerful Super pulsed cold laser therapy pain relief LLLT. I have bought. ( the LLLT part is most important!)

I must say that it was not cheap in fact it was very expensive, but to me I think it is going to be worth it and to me my health is certainly worth it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VocXsehAb2c

http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/pho.2004.22.323?journalCode=pho

Where you can get treatment on NHS

http://ukitl.com/page619.html



Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Trey on December 20, 2013, 06:31:04 PM
Laser is becoming more known in US.  The first real awareness is in saving race horses with damaged ligaments or tendons.  Many horses are saved because of the effect of laser which strengthens the tissue as well as reduces inflammation. Also laser kills MRSA which now occurs in over 50% of orthopedic surgeries in US.  My surgeon said he'd never seen such healing as after I had broken my kneecap in five pieces.  I am now playing tennis, when it was expected I'd never walk normally again.  So I'm sure you will get impressive results and so nice to know there has never been a bad side effect in forty years of use.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on January 03, 2014, 03:49:40 PM
Have left a message to say I am cancelling my pain injections on Monday ( thought I would go in person instead of doing it on the phone) when I go to the hospital, I was due to have the procedure done on the 14th.

I am so please I took Treys advice and bought a Cold Light Laser, and already I am feeling the results have not taken any ibuprofen since the 21st of December.

I have booked a telephone appointment with my GP ( she is so busy) to explain and tell her all about the Laser and have collected a lot of published "papers" to show her when I can next get in to see her.

OH is impressed too and wants to have some treatments on his foot after the results of the Xray

It cost an awful lot of money, but as Trey says money well spent.

Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on January 07, 2014, 11:53:13 AM
Update

Pain and discomfort gone, I have been using the laser twice a day for 5 mins, tomorrow I start once a day on for the next two weeks, it is tempting to stop treatment as my lower back is so much better but will finish the 21 days course.

There are so many complaints that the laser will treat, migraine, even wrinkles! you have to wear the opaque glasses for any treatment on the face.

For those sceptical I can only say you have to try it to be convinced, there are many many "papers" published on the effectiveness of LLLT.

I feel in control of my health now and so glad that I do not have to rely on drugs to have relief from pain and discomfort.

More info

  http://www.hiddenrhythmacupuncture.com/What%20is%20Cold%20Laser%20Therapy/What%20is%20Cold%20Laser%20Therapy.html

Its a shame that the NHS don't invest in it more.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Trey on January 08, 2014, 12:57:00 AM
I use the laser for all aches and pain, including prolapse, ligaments, my busted kneecap, SI joint, neck, TMJ and on and on.  So glad it is helping you.  My dogs wag their tails and back up to it so I can use it on their arthritic hips, sore paws or basically anything.  My vet says all her dogs, cats love it.  It is so safe and the drug companies will fight it.  Our national institute of health is recognizing it more and more thank goodness.  I take mine everywhere I go when RV ing, etc.

So glad you are feeling better.  Oh, I mention dogs and cats because this eliminates the placebo effect and is proof of efficacy.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Ju Ju on January 08, 2014, 06:56:01 AM
This is a very interesting thread. Thank you. I am assuming the laser is very expensive, but if it means avoiding drugs and all that entails, it will be worth it. Can you give some indication of cost? I am thinking it may be of help for my husband's back. He fell off a motor bike at 70 miles an hour at age 19 and though at the time he thought he was ok, age and stress has shown all is not well. He manages it very well, with regular chiropractic appointments, appropriate exercise, but at times he is in pain.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on January 08, 2014, 09:31:44 AM
Ju ju

Powerful Super pulsed cold laser therapy pain relief LLLT  (Handy Cure)

£399 plus £14.99 package and posting

From Ebay    they are made in Israel where a lot of research is carried out.












 
 
     





Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Ju Ju on January 08, 2014, 12:13:29 PM
Thanks. It will be interesting to see how you get on with it. I don't consider that expensive for what it does. I've spent a lot of money in the past looking for help with my health issues, with no real relief. I don't regret it though. I think you should follow any sensible avenue.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Trey on January 08, 2014, 04:42:28 PM
I was told by a leading neurosurgeon that I would spend the rest of my life in a wheelchair in 1981 per my MRIs etc.  I am playing high level tennis and living normally.  But I use the laser probably three or four times a week.  Blew a disk a fee months ago and took almost three weeks to get well, but get well I did with my laser.  I own one for $7000.00 USD and a less powerful one for $3000.00.  I would go without any luxury to afford my laser as pain ruins everything anyway.  Very important to get the right ones.  Mine is similar to SLs.

Traveling in RV right now and used it on older dogs last night and she wagged her tail in anticipation of pain relief.  Not limping this morning.

Read up on it and learn how it works.  So important not to get a toy as many companies oversell.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Ju Ju on January 08, 2014, 04:55:23 PM
That's good advice. I'm not thinking about it for the immediate future, but good to know if hubbie's condition detoriates. Spelling have gone to pot. I shall do some research. It's wonderful about your recovery. After an experience like that do you find you put more value on life?
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on January 09, 2014, 10:34:47 AM
Anyone interested in learning more

Rejuvenation: Using the Power of Light to Increase Vitality, Energy and Healing by Dr Lawrence DelRe.

You can get it from amazon uk.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on January 13, 2014, 03:33:01 PM
Went to a physiotherapy appointment at the private hospital courtesy of the NHS. I has a full assessment, and told them of my success with the cold light laser( they do know all about them and how they can heal bone breaks that are not healing)

Anyway I told her about the consultants remark about one leg being shorter then the other, so out came the tape measure and it turns out they are both the same length! She did some more evaluation and examination and said its my pelvis that is slightly higher on one side which is giving the appearance of my left leg seeming to be about just under 1cm shorter. My osteopath suggested this too, she also said that it happens if you have carried to heavy shopping, or when women balance babies on one hip, its nothing unusual.
So I have been given an heel instep to wear in my left shoe and told not to do any of the exercises and continue with the Laser, I have to go back in five weeks to report how things are going.

Hardly think about my lower left back now, just a tiny positional twinge now and then and I am continuing applying laser fro 5mins a day.

Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on January 14, 2014, 11:10:23 AM
This what I have "the lady is definitely not me)

http://www.atlantotec.com/en/disorders/leg-length-discrepancy-tilted-pelvis-pelvic-obliquity

going to do more reading up on this, interestingly I have seen this in a lot of family members, so it could be a genetic problem, even more interesting is that I was a breech birth and had birth injuries, my arm was broken and I had to wear something on my leg for a while, I can't remember and in all my childhood pictures I have a good straight posture.

Could be that it surfaces later in life and putting on a little weight, up until a few years ago I was very slim now I carry some weight below my belly button and it be contributing to the imbalance  as well as too much siting at the computer!
 
Now I have the discomfort under control its back to the walking and checking out Pilates classes.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Greyhoundgal on January 14, 2014, 01:07:30 PM
I hope you find a Pilates class near to you and give it a go.  It has been a lifeline for me (or my back) and not having done any exercise for a month I was starting to feel it again.  Went back last week and I swear I felt I'd grown 2" after the class ;)
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on January 14, 2014, 01:53:01 PM
I am going to check at my Library. the consultant recommended Pilates.

The heel lift was not a good idea, I wore it all day yesterday and woke up to discomfort in lower back and hips!!! the first time for three weeks, have used Laser and it is easier.

My osteopath did not recommend using one as she said it could cause irritation, when the physio yesterday recommended and gave me the heel lift, I didn't like to say what she said, and thought I would give it a go, but she was proved right, so won't be putting it in my shoe again.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on January 27, 2014, 03:12:42 PM
Pleased to see this was headline news in the Daily Express today

http://www.express.co.uk/news/health/456276/Laser-acupuncture-cure-for-arthritis-pain

though I disagree with the term acupuncture.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Greyhoundgal on January 28, 2014, 02:10:12 PM
So is this similar to the laser treatment you have then SL?  Sounds amazing.  I guess they just use the term acupuncture so that people know what they're referring to.  Did you manage to find a pilates class yet?
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Rowan on January 28, 2014, 02:33:59 PM
Not yet, Winter is my excuse.

Still doing well with my Laser I have not taken any ibuprofen since before Xmas, I still get twinges but nowhere near how it was, now I am more confident with it I am starting to think about the other uses that the Laser can be used for.

Feeling comfortable in bed is one of the things I am most pleased about, if I don't sleep it because of coffee or an overactive mind, certainly not pain or discomfort as before.
Title: Re: Back appointment at last
Post by: Greyhoundgal on January 29, 2014, 01:11:40 PM
Haha, that's a poor excuse :)  Most halls/gyms where Pilates are being held will be heated ;)  So glad you're getting some relief from the laser though, it must be making a lot of difference.