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Title: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CrispyChick on October 26, 2023, 01:37:19 PM
I'll keep this short.

For the last 12 months I'm having endless bouts of stomach issues.

Bloating, acid, severe heartburn, gastritis, chest pain (inflammation) - my whole stomach feels inflamed.

There is nothing wrong with me - ECG, chest x-ray, scan, endoscopy, CT scan and oesophagus monitor all completed recently. Famotidine or PPI make it worse  >:(. Morphs into excruciating heartburn.

I've tried every remedy I can think of.

This is hormonal. It flares as my hormones change. Im in peri. 47

But it's agony.

Any remedies for hormonal digestive problems???

Thanks
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Penguin on October 26, 2023, 01:50:03 PM
Have you been tested for h-pylori?
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Penguin on October 26, 2023, 02:25:37 PM
Also, are you taking hrt? Both estrogen and progesterone can relax the lower esophagal sphincter and make reflux worse.
I think the food diary is a great idea, intolerances can develop as part of meno, mine are now dairy, wheat and tomatoes. I don't fare great with alcohol, spicy food or anything fried or too rich either. Things cause gas and bloating that didn't before, I think you need to work out your individual triggers.
I take gaviscon advance at night when I'm going through a flare up of this and it does help, but then makes me bloated!
I also had a bad bout of gastritis last year, ppi for a month helped a bit but I think it was only really cleaning my diet up and taking supplements to line the digestive tract which got rid of it. I still use one daily called Colex. Two each morning with a large glass of water. Never have tablets on empty tummy (this is why I use utrogestan vaginally), or coffee / alcohol before food. And don't let my tummy get too empty as that can also cause problems. It is so hard, i really feel for youx
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CLKD on October 26, 2023, 02:45:37 PM
You have my symptnathy, [long story short] I had to stop Omeprazolol last week and reflux has been problematic.  Milk of Magnesia is helping, I have the rebound cough too  >:(.  I'm currently eating rice pudding from a tin for breakfast to line the digestive tract followed by custard from a tin B4 I take any mediation.  DH did a roast chicken dinner last night which was OK-ish.

Cutting out spicy foods, tomatoes for example, may help.
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Booroo on October 27, 2023, 04:46:03 PM
You have my symptnathy, [long story short] I had to stop Omeprazolol last week and reflux has been problematic.  Milk of Magnesia is helping, I have the rebound cough too  >:(.  I'm currently eating rice pudding from a tin for breakfast to line the digestive tract followed by custard from a tin B4 I take any mediation.  DH did a roast chicken dinner last night which was OK-ish.

Cutting out spicy foods, tomatoes for example, may help.

I hope you are ok in stopping, was it to do with kidney function if don’t mind me asking? You always reply to me so here’s giving hug back to you
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CLKD on October 27, 2023, 06:04:39 PM
The jury is 'out' as to whether I should/not have stopped it with/not Erhthromycin.  Rebound reflux and cough, Milk of Magnesia swallowed. 

Kidney function blood tests due to statins  ::)


I thought of U CChick last night when I had to sit up in bed  >:(
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CrispyChick on October 27, 2023, 07:15:04 PM
Thanks folks.

Thanks for the special thought clkd 🤣

Mine doesn't bother me at night. Weirdly. Just every waking hour.

So. I've decided to do a diet trial. Cutting out dairy, to support my son - as we're trialling that for his acne. Also going to do a short trial on low histamine diet. It's very bland. Worth a shot.  :)
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Penguin on October 27, 2023, 07:42:01 PM
Thanks folks.

Thanks for the special thought clkd 🤣

Mine doesn't bother me at night. Weirdly. Just every waking hour.

So. I've decided to do a diet trial. Cutting out dairy, to support my son - as we're trialling that for his acne. Also going to do a short trial on low histamine diet. It's very bland. Worth a shot.  :)

Hi CC

There are two books that might interest you: the Acid Watchers Diet and Dropping Acid. Both know their stuff re reflux and give lists of food for both initial phase and then maintenance. A bit American but useful.

Also perhaps consider removing gluten as part of elimination? Is that removed as part of a low histamine diet too? I don't know much about histamine.

Do you ever wake up with with a sore throat? If so, you could be getting silent reflux at night, which is a bit different. Hopefully not tho, daytime sounds bad enough!
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CLKD on October 27, 2023, 08:08:19 PM
I've never had a sore throat with reflux, however last night liquid forced it's way up  >:( :-X

I wouldn't alter too much in my diet at once or it wouldn't be obvious what was/not working  :-\

More Milk of Magnesia about an hour ago
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Taz2 on October 27, 2023, 08:13:43 PM
The acid coming up into the throat is what causes ulceration and soreness. The lining of the oesophagus isn't able to cope with the acid in the same way that the stomach lining does. I hate that night time reflux 
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Carabelle on October 28, 2023, 04:53:44 AM
This is an interesting thread as I’m in the same boat with reflux problems. I’ve been taking Lansoprazole for over a year and to an extent it keeps things at bay-ish. However it has flared up recently and is driving me nuts. I started back on the HRT patches last Saturday and now I feel worse! The whole thing stresses me out and I think that just exacerbates everything. Getting a fair bit of intermittent hiccups too in the last day or 2. Just wish it would all go away!! So annoying and tiresome.
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Penguin on October 28, 2023, 06:23:32 AM
This is an interesting thread as I’m in the same boat with reflux problems. I’ve been taking Lansoprazole for over a year and to an extent it keeps things at bay-ish. However it has flared up recently and is driving me nuts. I started back on the HRT patches last Saturday and now I feel worse! The whole thing stresses me out and I think that just exacerbates everything. Getting a fair bit of intermittent hiccups too in the last day or 2. Just wish it would all go away!! So annoying and tiresome.

I never had any form of reflux until I started hrt, now I get intermittent silent reflux which is very annoying. No acid noticeably coming up but burning feeling in throat which is typical of silent reflux / lpr and burping after eating. It is different to GERD in that it doesn't have the really obvious symptoms. Mine is definitely hormone related. Going to try and clean up my diet for a month when we get back from France tonight. If that doesn't work, am going to have a break from hrt. Its very annoying.
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CrispyChick on October 28, 2023, 08:00:46 AM
Ah penguin and Clarabelle - this is exactly my case.

I dont have conventional gerd - actually, wouldn't that have shown up on the endoscopy??? Maybe not.

What I have is constant discomfort in my stomach, but it moves around and brings intermittent acid. It was brought on by my stupidly taking a bigger dose of progesterone - which I instantly reduced.

I've had it on and off all year whilst trying to get on progesterone. As I up or down dose if seems to be a trigger. I'm on progesterone only therapy under a bhrt clinic - before anyone freaks about my dosing  ;D

So it's definitely hormonal. It is very tiresome Clarabelle. Trying to stabalise on hormones is bad enough without this hell thrown in along the way  >:(

I've had bouts of gastritis previously on the mini pill - they always responded to H2 blockers of ppi. But all the stuff this year won't respond, in fact, they make it worse.

Absolutely nothing to see in my stomach or oesophagus, whereas previously, the gastritis was seen.

I'm with you penguin, its diet or stop the hormones.

I'm trying the low histamine as it's possible gastric issues are a mast cell response and I do have a lot of allergies and high E, which I have, causes histamine. Tenuous links. But I'll try.

I've tried gluten free before - probably when I had the gastritis. Didn't seem to help.  >:(
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Penguin on October 28, 2023, 08:43:30 AM
Ah penguin and Clarabelle - this is exactly my case.

I dont have conventional gerd - actually, wouldn't that have shown up on the endoscopy??? Maybe not.

What I have is constant discomfort in my stomach, but it moves around and brings intermittent acid. It was brought on by my stupidly taking a bigger dose of progesterone - which I instantly reduced.

I've had it on and off all year whilst trying to get on progesterone. As I up or down dose if seems to be a trigger. I'm on progesterone only therapy under a bhrt clinic - before anyone freaks about my dosing  ;D

So it's definitely hormonal. It is very tiresome Clarabelle. Trying to stabalise on hormones is bad enough without this hell thrown in along the way  >:(

I've had bouts of gastritis previously on the mini pill - they always responded to H2 blockers of ppi. But all the stuff this year won't respond, in fact, they make it worse.

Absolutely nothing to see in my stomach or oesophagus, whereas previously, the gastritis was seen.

I'm with you penguin, its diet or stop the hormones.

I'm trying the low histamine as it's possible gastric issues are a mast cell response and I do have a lot of allergies and high E, which I have, causes histamine. Tenuous links. But I'll try.

I've tried gluten free before - probably when I had the gastritis. Didn't seem to help.  >:(

How are you taking the progesterone? I take utrogestan vaginally and still get digestive stuff. However I imagine orally wpuld be a lot worse as you have to take on an empty stomach, and I simply won't risk that after gastritis last year.

My understanding is that silent reflux / lpr is caused mostly by pepsin being activated in throat / larynx area and irritating it (sore throat, cough, lump in throat feeling). Originates with acid but it is not the esophagus getting irritated in this case. It is worth looking up the difference. Ppi doesn't work as well for lpr even though it is the first line of treatment offered.

One thing I didn't mention that you could try is water with a high pH. I buy one from Amazon called Actiph, which has a pH of 9. I glug some of that down during flare ups and it helps rinse the pepsin away. Coconut water also helps, but only the really high quality ones without anything else in.

Zinc carnosine is also a good supplement for lpr. There is a good supplement for gastric mucosa that you can get that in, i used it last year. It's in my fridge back in UK, I'll post the name of it later.
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CrispyChick on October 28, 2023, 08:57:44 AM
Thanks penguin.

Are u on holiday?  :)

Interesting. I do t seem to have the symptoms of lpr at the moment, right now it's a trial inflammation in my stomach. Which would suggest gastritis. But none found.

However, this is very interesting, as from march onwards it had morphed into a throat feeling. Extreme tightness, lump etc. Then, that just vanished around August. Now I was back trying mini pill for two months so I think consistency helped. Although I came off it and back on my Prog ok...

No throat feeling with this latest flare - yet.

I take progesterone cream. This happens even with cream. Although I do confess it was 1 oral dose that triggered this latest bout. Something I'll never do again.

Thanks for those tips. I'll look into the water.

Zinc l carnosine - I took for 3 months Dec to Feb last year - made no difference. I just dont feel this is a 'structural' thing. It feels like inflammation, hence me looking into low histamine.
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Penguin on October 28, 2023, 09:24:36 AM
Thanks penguin.

Are u on holiday?  :)

Interesting. I do t seem to have the symptoms of lpr at the moment, right now it's a trial inflammation in my stomach. Which would suggest gastritis. But none found.

However, this is very interesting, as from march onwards it had morphed into a throat feeling. Extreme tightness, lump etc. Then, that just vanished around August. Now I was back trying mini pill for two months so I think consistency helped. Although I came off it and back on my Prog ok...

No throat feeling with this latest flare - yet.

I take progesterone cream. This happens even with cream. Although I do confess it was 1 oral dose that triggered this latest bout. Something I'll never do again.

Thanks for those tips. I'll look into the water.

Zinc l carnosine - I took for 3 months Dec to Feb last year - made no difference. I just dont feel this is a 'structural' thing. It feels like inflammation, hence me looking into low histamine.

So my GP says you can have what is called sub clinical inflammation in throat (and I'd assume therefore stomach too!)  where I felt a burning on back of tongue,  back of soft palate etc and throat, yet it is all pale pink and no visible inflammation at all. I wonder if that is happening with your tummy feeling? Your nerves can also become over sensitised or hyper sensitive to normal things like acid production, certain foods, drunks and allergens with this coming either after a bug / virus / hormonal upheaval/ bad bout of anxiety. May or may not be linked to vagus nerve irritation. It wouldn't show up on endoscopy as it isn't a 'thing' as such, but doesn't mean you can't feel it. I know that probably doesn't help in terms of what to do, but it made me feel a bit less like I was going crazy and imagining it all!

Yes, we've been in South West France for half term with kids and dog, had a lovely time. Driving back right now, daughter projectile vomited in the car and just been in services giving her a change of clothes and cleaning is both us tho so today not going well so far 🙈. When it comes to bodily fluids husband is as much use as a chocolate Teapot! I have totally over indulged food wise, knowing I'm going to do my month of good clean food whem back - food order arriving tomorrow, am already depressed at how boring it is 🤣🤣🤣. It was all okay until I started utrogestan a few days ago then its all kicked off again. My body just doesn't like change!
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CLKD on October 28, 2023, 09:54:30 AM
Why does your DD vomit, is it a regular occurrence  :-\ :-X.  A plastic bag with wipes, a damp flannel and sitting on a thick towel was the way our family dealt with spills.  As well as regular breaks.

I had to sit upright for a couple of hours until the reflux disappeared, then slept until 6.00. 
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Penguin on October 28, 2023, 09:58:50 AM
Why does your DD vomit, is it a regular occurrence  :-\ :-X.  A plastic bag with wipes, a damp flannel and sitting on a thick towel was the way our family dealt with spills.  As well as regular breaks.

I had to sit upright for a couple of hours until the reflux disappeared, then slept until 6.00.

No, she gets car sick but doesn't usually vomit with it. However she only had a cup of tea this morning, no breakfast,  so I think it was sloshing around in her tummy. Lesson learned. I gave her a Kwells but it was too late!

Yes lots of wipes here too, and glad we have the dog with us as we've draped the dog towel over her!
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CLKD on October 28, 2023, 10:00:56 AM
Kwells are great, I used them for sleep problems in the 1970s.  A good meal the night B4, dry biscuits with a Kwells an hour B4 travelling.  It's awful, the not knowing whether the guts will erupt contents or not.  I don't travel well .......... so there's always a waste bin close by.  Does she trigger the rest of the travellers?

At least your had a good holiday?  Dog loves being away?  Weather OK?
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Penguin on October 28, 2023, 11:03:43 AM
Kwells are great, I used them for sleep problems in the 1970s.  A good meal the night B4, dry biscuits with a Kwells an hour B4 travelling.  It's awful, the not knowing whether the guts will erupt contents or not.  I don't travel well .......... so there's always a waste bin close by.  Does she trigger the rest of the travellers?

At least your had a good holiday?  Dog loves being away?  Weather OK?

Husband about 2 metres away from her when we stopped the car, me and DS fine. I handle all the mess and illness!

Yes fab holiday thanks,  same two places every October half term, first time with the dog as shes a rescue just over a year old. France is so welcoming to animals and she's a well behaved little one so it was easy. Weather hit and miss, lots of rain but one hotel had indoor pool for the kids and we all love the food so all good. Looking forward to home and simple food now tho!
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Penguin on October 28, 2023, 11:13:55 AM
Thanks penguin.

Are u on holiday?  :)

Interesting. I do t seem to have the symptoms of lpr at the moment, right now it's a trial inflammation in my stomach. Which would suggest gastritis. But none found.

However, this is very interesting, as from march onwards it had morphed into a throat feeling. Extreme tightness, lump etc. Then, that just vanished around August. Now I was back trying mini pill for two months so I think consistency helped. Although I came off it and back on my Prog ok...

No throat feeling with this latest flare - yet.

I take progesterone cream. This happens even with cream. Although I do confess it was 1 oral dose that triggered this latest bout. Something I'll never do again.

Thanks for those tips. I'll look into the water.

Zinc l carnosine - I took for 3 months Dec to Feb last year - made no difference. I just dont feel this is a 'structural' thing. It feels like inflammation, hence me looking into low histamine.

Have a look at this link and see if it resonates. Read past the bit re IBS, its about wider than that

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22997-visceral-hypersensitivity
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CLKD on October 30, 2023, 09:03:48 AM
Hopefully you got home without any more buerking and laundry done?   I'm with your Husband on this one ...........  :-\ :-X
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CrispyChick on October 31, 2023, 08:20:24 AM
Thanks penguin.

That's really interesting. Indeed I have been offered low dose old style anti depressants on 3 separate occasions over the years, for a variety of ailments. IBS, dizziness and this year after my oesophagus test. So I do wonder if my body is sensitive and overreacts.

I did try the old school anti depressants in my 20s fir IBS - lasted1 day. So I won't go there.

Hmmmm

The last couple of days my current issue has morphed into constant pain/discomfort in my actual stomach. No acid reflux. It's just all so bizarre.

I'm day 3 of my very limited low histamine diet. But I'm also feeling very hormonally, pre period.

Just wish if would all bog off.
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Penguin on October 31, 2023, 08:44:08 AM
Hopefully you got home without any more buerking and laundry done?   I'm with your Husband on this one ...........  :-\ :-X
Thanks penguin.

That's really interesting. Indeed I have been offered low dose old style anti depressants on 3 separate occasions over the years, for a variety of ailments. IBS, dizziness and this year after my oesophagus test. So I do wonder if my body is sensitive and overreacts.

I did try the old school anti depressants in my 20s fir IBS - lasted1 day. So I won't go there.

Hmmmm

The last couple of days my current issue has morphed into constant pain/discomfort in my actual stomach. No acid reflux. It's just all so bizarre.

I'm day 3 of my very limited low histamine diet. But I'm also feeling very hormonally, pre period.

Just wish if would all bog off.

I know the feeling! I dropped down to 100mg Utrogestan last night and it's made such a difference to my gas today! I hate this hormonal roller coaster.

Perhaps the reflux has triggered mild gastritis in you with all the extra acid? Hopefully the diet will help.
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CrispyChick on October 31, 2023, 08:56:06 AM
Really??? Dropping your P has helped? Oh man. I'm nowhere near sorted on the hormone front, I probably need more prog not less.

Yes. Feels like gastritis today. But yesterday ir was just agonising hollow feeling. It just changes each day.

I doubt the diet is going to help. It feels hormonal. 😬
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Penguin on October 31, 2023, 09:12:01 AM
Really??? Dropping your P has helped? Oh man. I'm nowhere near sorted on the hormone front, I probably need more prog not less.

Yes. Feels like gastritis today. But yesterday ir was just agonising hollow feeling. It just changes each day.

I doubt the diet is going to help. It feels hormonal. 😬

The agonising hollow feeling can be part of gastritis. I'd feel hungry sooner after eating,  it's the mixed messages given out by your tummy. I'd treat it as that for short term. Is there anything on the low histamine diet that you wouldn't eat with gastritis? Can you start the day with oatmeal to line the tummy?

Are you sure it's low P for you? It is known to relax the lower esophageal sphincter, allowing reflux during meno in the first place. Plus it slows down digestion / motility, leading to increased gas etc.
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CrispyChick on October 31, 2023, 10:08:33 AM
Yeah, been at this 5 years, it's the estrogen that kills me. It poisons me, my own included. The progesterone is there to balance during peri.

I'll be devastated if I have to stop it all for this.

Good point about diet. I'll go check. I've had porridge made with oatmilk the last 5 mornings. Makes no difference.

If it's gastritis, I dont get why the acid blockers make me worse. But yes, having had gastritis before (when on the pill and the acid blockers worked) it does feel kind of like that right now.

So you dropped from 200mv to 100mg p and that's really helped? I'm big even on a high dose.  :(
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CrispyChick on October 31, 2023, 10:16:37 AM
If the lower sphincter was relaxed - would this show on endoscopy? Anyone know?
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CLKD on October 31, 2023, 10:17:59 AM
As oestrogen levels drop muscles may become lax.  Hiatus hernia is common during peri menopause along with other aches and pains. 
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CrispyChick on October 31, 2023, 10:25:50 AM
Hi suffer with high estrogen clkd. I wish mine would drop  ;D
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Taz2 on October 31, 2023, 11:06:04 AM
If the lower sphincter was relaxed - would this show on endoscopy? Anyone know?

No you won't be able to tell from endoscopy. To check the sphincter you will need an esophageal manometry test.

I have similar feelings to you and was diagnosed with gastritis and hiatus hernia which had caused ulcerated oesophagus. I'm on omeprazole but when the hollow feeling develops my consultant has given permission to change to esomeprazole for one month which sorts it. I don't like being on a PPI but the ulcerated oesophagus was very painful ( and could lead to cancer) and I also hate the hollow feeling which is  just like hunger pangs. Mine was always worse during the progesterone phase but I'm oestrogen only hrt now due to having had a hysterectomy so things are easier. One thing, though, is that gastritis and the hollow feeling is often linked to stomach ulcers. Have you had any investigations?

Taz x

Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CrispyChick on October 31, 2023, 11:19:52 AM
Thanks Taz

Very interesting.

Yes. Had all the tests going. Had endoscopy around march, they found some strange indent in my oesophagus so was sent for CT and oesophagus manometry. All clear - so I can't have a weakened sphincter either???

So there is absolutely nothing wrong with me. Ppi or H2 blockers - no matter what dose, make it all worse and within 3 days I am in agony in my stomach and with severe heartburn. I've tried many times.

So how does esomeoprazole differ from omeprazole?

Ok. It's looking like it might be the progesterone. Gutted. But it's been going on all year. I can't take it any more. It did calm when I had a wee mini pill trial in the summer, by the second month if was calming. But due to other side affects I had to stop. I have been messing with prog dose, so I was hoping consistency would sort it out...but it's not yet.  >:(
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CLKD on October 31, 2023, 11:25:31 AM
H.pylori?

If you are finding HRT difficult then maybe stop for 3 months?  to give your hormones a readjustment opportunity.  No medication is worth feeling worse for ? 
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CrispyChick on October 31, 2023, 12:24:58 PM
You make a very good point clkd.

Something to think about.

I'm h pylori neg. Honestly, there is nothing medically wrong with me. Which is great...but...!!!????  >:(
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Penguin on October 31, 2023, 12:42:48 PM
You make a very good point clkd.

Something to think about.

I'm h pylori neg. Honestly, there is nothing medically wrong with me. Which is great...but...!!!????  >:(

What progesterone are you taking and is it oral?
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CrispyChick on October 31, 2023, 12:59:22 PM
No, it's cream. Low dose from compounded clinic. I mean, it's hardly going to be super strong.

But like I admitted somewhere on this thread, it was me taking 1 utro (well, half of one) that triggered this episode. But that was 3 weeks ago now.
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Penguin on October 31, 2023, 02:58:51 PM
No, it's cream. Low dose from compounded clinic. I mean, it's hardly going to be super strong.

But like I admitted somewhere on this thread, it was me taking 1 utro (well, half of one) that triggered this episode. But that was 3 weeks ago now.

Ah okay must have missed that bit. You poor thing. It's so hard not knowing what is causing what isn't it, i feel for you. Surely half of 1 utrogestan couldn't have caused this much ongoing strife 😱. I said to my husband this morning that I feel my hrt is poisoning me!
 10 months in, still in peri, and I feel ready to take a break from it all and see what happens.
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CLKD on October 31, 2023, 03:02:03 PM
Do it now B4 the Festive Season? 
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Penguin on October 31, 2023, 03:14:10 PM
Do it now B4 the Festive Season?

I've just done a new post CLKD, would welcome your thoughts on how!
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CLKD on October 31, 2023, 03:49:23 PM
Replied there ..........


My reflux becomes worse as the day goes by and I eat  :-\
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Taz2 on October 31, 2023, 04:43:39 PM
Have you finished the antibiotics yet? Can you restart your other meds now? Reflux is miserable
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CLKD on October 31, 2023, 04:56:41 PM
Hi!  ABs done.  Discussing ongoing meds with GP next week.  Not keen to restart the PPIs due to potential bone loss issues.
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Penguin on October 31, 2023, 05:02:33 PM
Hi!  ABs done.  Discussing ongoing meds with GP next week.  Not keen to restart the PPIs due to potential bone loss issues.

Do you think the reflux has lessened?
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Taz2 on October 31, 2023, 05:14:51 PM
Hi!  ABs done.  Discussing ongoing meds with GP next week.  Not keen to restart the PPIs due to potential bone loss issues.

Are you on a high dose?

Taz x
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CLKD on October 31, 2023, 05:16:36 PM
Reflux becomes noticeable about mid-afternoon as my digestive system gets used, by evening I have to sit up in the bath and bed for a couple of hours.  FortunatelY I have a collection of good books.

It has lessened in the time it begins to niggle. 

Don't know Taz ........ would need to look at the packet.  A small capsule swallowed at breakfast. 
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Taz2 on October 31, 2023, 05:22:50 PM
It's difficult to weigh up all of the risks versus benefits isn't it. I'm on 20 mg but would like to drop down to 10mg. If I don't take it I risk oesophageal cancer and if I do I risk stomach cancer etc.

I found milk always set mine off together with anything fried, onions and tomatoes white bread and cakes. Fizzy drinks are a no no and, of course, chocolate  :(
Taz x
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CrispyChick on October 31, 2023, 06:07:58 PM
Clkd my gastro said rebound lasts for 2 weeks when stopping ppi. Might be worth seeing where u are at after two weeks  :)
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Stella2 on December 08, 2023, 08:13:39 AM
I have also tried to find the reason for my acid reflux/heartburn. I was diagnosed with IBS years ago but always had bouts of acid reflux since I was young. In recent years the feeling is mostly in the middle bottom of my ribs and even painful to touch when pressing against. I stopped eating chocolate, eating out, drinking alcohol, and i have been vegetarian most of my life. The hardest is coffee, now i can't even drink decaf as it makes it worse. I am also on continuous HRT, I tried vaginal Utrogestan but that caused bleeding and I read that sometimes it doesn't make difference regarding acid reflux.

I have been reading about possibly having low acid, tried using apple cider vinegar but it hasn't solved anything. One thing that helped for a while was Silicea gel. It really solved the problem but just for a while and it didn't make a big difference when I tried it second time. I  would recommend it though.

After all of this, I have been on esomeprasole and then omeprazole for 5 weeks now. It has made it better but the pain is still here and occasional heartburn feeling. I have been referred for a blood test and a scan.

It is just so difficult to understand why this is happening when I have been so careful. It is so interesting to read this thread and I will try also some of the diets mentioned. I must admit that the Fodmap diet really helped me when I suffered from IBS, it is very restrictive and difficult when you prepare food for the family but maybe that's the way to go.
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: CrispyChick on December 08, 2023, 08:59:07 AM
Stella - I totally understand your situation.

I've done lots of trials this year with my hormones. I can categorically say my stomach issue flares (badly) when I introduce a hormonal change. Then I'm stuck with it for ages. Food has absolutely nothing to do with mine.

I've had to stop all hormonal support to eradicate my latest flare. Now I'm approaching any hormonal changes very very slowly. Which obviously makes the hormonal side of life very difficult.

For me, I cannot take utrogestan at all. It is too big a dose, too hard a hit. Triggers my stomach massively, and it won't calm until I remove all added P.  I'm under a bhrt clinic, so have dose choices.

It's an awful position to be in. Xx

Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Stella2 on December 08, 2023, 11:21:52 AM
I'm sorry it has been so hard for you, hope the dosage will be adjusted for you with bioidentical hormones. It's awful to have to stop with everything, hope you will be ok on your new prescription. Maybe that will be the way forward for me too, just can't face constant hot flushes again xx
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Jules on January 11, 2024, 10:05:08 PM
If the lower sphincter was relaxed - would this show on endoscopy? Anyone know?

No you won't be able to tell from endoscopy. To check the sphincter you will need an esophageal manometry test.

I have similar feelings to you and was diagnosed with gastritis and hiatus hernia which had caused ulcerated oesophagus. I'm on omeprazole but when the hollow feeling develops my consultant has given permission to change to esomeprazole for one month which sorts it. I don't like being on a PPI but the ulcerated oesophagus was very painful ( and could lead to cancer) and I also hate the hollow feeling which is  just like hunger pangs. Mine was always worse during the progesterone phase but I'm oestrogen only hrt now due to having had a hysterectomy so things are easier. One thing, though, is that gastritis and the hollow feeling is often linked to stomach ulcers. Have you had any investigations?

Taz x

I get that hunger feeling. My GP tells me its usually caused by irritation to the stomach lining. He and the gastric man tell me to double up omeprazole for a shirt time. Funnily it's worse with stress. I had it a lot waiting for my endoscopy but not had it in the 2 months since. I'm on 20mg omeprazole a day for Barratts. You've reminded me to contact the gastric consultant about the cancer link.
Title: Re: Stomach / GERD / heartburn - whatever it is. Help!
Post by: Tulip256 on April 20, 2024, 06:48:51 AM
Just wondering if anyone else has tried testosterone for reflux. I have been taking it for a month and it seems to have cured mine. I think mine was caused by hrt. Oestrogen relaxes the lower oesophagual splincter and testosterone improves muscle tone. Just posting in case this helps anyone else.