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Menopause Discussion => Other Health Discussion => Topic started by: purplenanny on December 22, 2013, 04:00:33 PM
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Hi Ladies
I have had extremely painful teeth for over 3 weeks now. At first the dentist said it was sensitivity due to receding gums. He took xrays and could find nothing. So I bought sensitive toothpaste and a strong mouthwash he recommended. Did this for 2 weeks, but the pain got worse. He then prescribed antibiotics which after 5 days had not touched it and it was getting even more painful.
He gave me stronger antibiotics (which was 400mg of the same type) for 3 days. Things have eased slightly but I am still in agony. I have a strong pain threshold but this is really getting to me now. I can't eat or drink very well and the night is horrible
I have several of the original dose left, so should I double them up and keep taking?
And does anyone know of anything that will provide some relief? Even short term
I have had abscess' before and this feels the same. Top and bottom left side and also hurting my ear
Purplenanny x x
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Can you take Ibuprofen? It's good for toothache.
First thing tomorrow phone dentist/doctor. You don't want to be suffering over Christmas.
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You do need to go back to the dentist purplenanny. It sounds like peridontal disease which I had a couple of years ago (I posted on here about it - think I called it "dental abscess and not finished the shopping yet" ). You need a certain type of antibiotic - anaerobic type - to kill the infection but it doesn't always work. There is info about peridontal and gum problems here http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Gum-disease/Pages/Introduction.aspx which may be helpful. What type of painkiller are you using?
Taz x :hug:
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Oh poor you! You need to discuss with your Dentist what the plan is to help receding gums. This is why I had implant surgery, so that the bone in the jaw has something to work upon i.e. when eating, talking, yawning the teeth react with the bone which helps reduce the chance of gums receding.
Oil of cloves can be useful with dental pain, osmosis I think it's called. A small drop in water and swill or a small drop on a cotton bud and rub the painful area gently.
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Thank you good ladies.
I am taking 30/500 solpahdine cocodamol. I have been advised not to take iboprufen due to dodgy kidneys but I must admit I have taken some yesterday and today and it is helping.
I will try the cloves , thank you- I have some in the cupboard. Date is 2005 - do you think that matters??
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O poor you PN.
Here's a :bighug:
Hope you're feeling better soon.
Dyan C
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Hi PN, did you know that estrogen has a big effect on helping prevent receding gums. I'm sorry but can't recall the source, but it was a thorough report on how declining estrogen levels can cause receding gums. But I agree with Taz that you must get it treated as can lead to a lot of issues with jaw and teeth. Do you gargle with warm salt water for antiseptic and local relief?
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Hi Trey
I am not on HRT so I don't think the oestrogen is relevant to me?
I will try the salt water, thank you.
Do you know what treatment there is for receding gums?
PN
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PN - Please see the dentist tomorrow or Tuesday.
You say you are not on HRT, hence presumably are not getting oestrogen, hence receding gums, perhaps?
Salt water may help, but oestrogen does help to plump things up generally.
I think Trey is right, sadly I can't quote the source either.
Please see dentist tomorow, hope things improve soon.
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Thanks Limpy, I will.
Sorry Trey - I read that the wrong way about Oestrogen, I thought you meant it caused receding gums!! These damn antibiotics are fizzling my brain!
How do I get Oestrogen without HRT (had bad effects)?
I do have regular 6 month check ups and hygienist and my gums never bleed, so it is all a bit strange
PN
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I had bleeding and receding gums before HRT. The difference was amazing.
I do hope you get something to help very soon. My dentist always recommends Corsydl mouth wash.
Honeyb
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Whoops, lost my post. I wish there were more studies on the things that hormones act on throughout the body. I find it annoying that sexual hormones are perceived dangerous, whereas thyroid hormone is considered perfectly safe. I've been on estrogen for over thirty years and my mother, who is 98 in March, longer than me. Another thread perhaps....
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I agree Trey. Over here in the UK the dangerous part seems to be combined HRT not oestrogen only HRT - especially as you get older?
Taz x
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Did the dentist give you metronidazole or flagyl (same antibiotic) it kills anaerobic bacteria which are the cause of most abscess in that area.
It is a horrible drug to take but if it doesn't kill the infection then the dentist needs to take further action. Sorry to hear you are in pain. I think dental pain is one of the worst!
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Cloves don't go off! give the packet a good rattle and use as necessary. How is the pain this morning?
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Hi
Yes the dentist gave me metronidazole, 200 mg to start then 400mg after 4 days of no reprieve. What will be the further action?
I have an appointment at 12.45 and I am terrified at what he will do. It seems to be easing today, but last night was the worst pain ever - I badly overdosed on painkillers I am ashamed to say but I did not know what to do with myself. Feeling sick this morning - not surprisingly.
Thanks for your support ladies, much appreciated. PN x x
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Make sure that you tell the Dentist exactly how many painkillers you ahve taken as it can alter any LA he may need to inject ;)
Let us know how you get on!
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LA ??? oh my god, now I am worried - I am no good with injections!!!!!!
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It's the painful bit, anything after once the LA has infiltrated the gum line will be easier for the Dentist ;) ....... if you say you don't like jabs then he/she may be able to rub some LA gel on first ............ DO TELL how you feel!
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Thanks CLKD, I will tell him everything. :( (http://:()
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Still in 1 piece?
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Ha! just about thanks CLKD
Dentist thoroughly investigated (ouch!) and remains convinced it is gum infection top and bottom. I have 2 areas that are very difficult to clean and he thinks this is where it started.
Wanted to prescribe different antibiotic - Amoxillin (sp?) but I am allergic to all things penicillin and eurythmijiggy (can't remember the proper name) so had to stick with same one and double dose. Also put some antiseptic gel on and sent me home with some to use twice daily. So, we will see
I now have a banging headache and feel very sorry for myself.
Thank you for thinking of me - means a lot. x x
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Hi Purplenanny,
Glad you got sorted.
I really feel for you with the pain.
Hopefully the ABs will clear it up.
In the meantime I'm thinking of you and I send you a :bighug:
Lots love
Dyan x
Merry Christmas!
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Thanks Dyan x x
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I hope you are ok for Xmas, it's horrible having pain
Ann
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Hi PN, just want to tell you that I'm hoping you are feeling much better and can enjoy Christmas.
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Thank you Trey, sadly my Son & grandsons have the sickness bug, so our family Christmas Day will not be happening. Not that I feel like it much but seeing them would have cheered me up
Thank you Ann, the pain is easing a little now and then with the help of painkillers
Have a lovely Christmas everyone and thank you for your kind wishes
PN x x
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What a shame for you all. It just seems worse at this time when there is the huge expectation of enjoying your self.
Is it the noro virus. Not heard as much about it as this time last year.
Hope you have a pain free peaceful time.
Honeyb
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yes Honeybun, it is the noro virus. Nasty bug, most of the children in pre-school have it. Such a shame at Christmas time.
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Aw poor wee souls.
Glad to hear that your pain is beginning to ease. Not much fun for you at Christmas. Hope you feel better soon.
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Hi ladies
At last the antibiotics are working and the sharp pain has gone. Still can't use that side of my mouth for eating but very relieved that awful pain has left me. Must finish the course of antibiotics which hopefully will see it all gone by then
Saw my grandchildren today which really cheered me up. Hope to see the younger ones (with the sickness) in the next couple of days
Thanks for all your help. PN x x
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Phew! That's a relief PN!
Perhaps you can enjoy the new year celebrations instead.
Love Dyan X
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Well I actually had not thought of that Dyan, what a great idea!! ABs will be out of my system by then (all being well). I have a lot to make up for! ::) (http://::)) PN xx
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Glad to hear they are eventually working!
Have a better New Year & enjoy yourself after all your problems.
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:thankyou: for the update!
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Thanks CB and CLKD x x
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:hug: gum/tooth ache can be awful ........... for me it's the not knowing how much pain relief is safe ::)
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I have just been told I have a gum infection and given metronidazole!!!!
I have one really sore tooth but apparently is gum infection!
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The gum needs protection too ……. otherwise the tooth becomes loose
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I hope your infection is better Ann123?
I now have an abscess and look like a hamster!! Managed to get an emergency app at 1030 today. No doubt more antibiotics!! and I do think this time the tooth will have to come out. This terrifies me, does anyone know if the dentist can sedate me? I know I am being weak, but it really does scare me! PN
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The dentist generally won't remove a tooth when there is an abscess. Ask about sedation. My surgery does it on a Saturday morning.
You have my sympathy I am terrified too.
:hug:
Honeyb
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Just back from dentist, still got infection, the hygienist cleaned the gum and I need to just keep cleaning and use mouthwash. My tooth is a little bit loose but they said it won't fall out!
Going for physio now!!!
I really feel like I am falling apart :-(
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PurplePenny - ring the Surgery and ask what procedures are in place for a very nervous patient. Our Dentist is very good, tells me what is available and gives me the choice.
Does your Dental Surgery have a web-site, ours does - I can send an e-mail if I need to.
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;D (http://;D) purplepenny ;D (http://;D)
Managed to get an emergency appointment.
Dentist took xray (again, took one last time). Discussed root canal treatment but nerve in tooth not good and tooth slightly loose. Could not guarantee it would be succesful and did not want to put me through it all and the cost. So he recommened removal.
He had already given me 2 injections...into the abcess..agony! I was getting a bit upset and asked for sedation. He said it was possible but would have to refer me to hospital. He was so lovely and promised me I would just feel tugging and the injection wouldbe the worse bit.
So, I said yes! Had 2 more injections and he got it out.
Now I am in agony...and shock.
I have had 5 infections/abcess over the years and was told 8 years ago I would eventually lose the tooth. It was just a shock, but good I hadno time to worry. He said it was a very wise decision, the tooth was awful and treatment would not have worked. Apparently the abcess came out with the tooth.
Does anyone know if the gum is cut prior to extraction? He did something that was impossible to describe ..incredibly painful but quick.
Sorry to waffle on, I think I needed to share - nobody here but hubby and cant talk anyway!!
PN x x
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Hi ann123
I hope your infection clears up soon. Mine did eventually after 3 lots of antibiotics. The dentist also gave me a gel, which I am sure helped. Not sure if you can buy over counter, but it might help. PN x x
I went on to get an abcess, but my tooth was very bad. Not to say this will happen to you. x x
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Take it very easy for a couple of days. No bending down or anything that will raise your blood pressure.
My hubby was told a warm water and sea salt wash the day after.
You were very brave :medal:
Sometimes it's just better to get it done. Don't think he would have cut the gum. That usually requires stitches afterward.
Honeyb
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Did you get antibiotic cover? It is unusual to remove a tooth with an abscess - was it attached? Warm salt washes every hour from tomorrow and if the pain is awful, get in contact with a Pharmacist.
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Thanks for the medal and info HB
CLKD I think that is why I was so shocked. I did not dream he would do anything until the abcess was gone. He said I had already had a lot of antibiotics. Apparently the abcess came out with the tooth. Very surprised no antibiotic cover. Told me to do warm salt water thingy for 5 days, thanks.
Fingers crossed. Thanks for the flowers. PN x x
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Warm salty water it is then ……….
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Lots of rest. An extraction site needs time to clot and heal. Hubby over did it and ended up with stitched that's why I know rest is so important.
Put a towel over your pillow tonight in case of any dribbles ;D
Honeyb
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He didn't give me anymore antibiotics.
What was the gel you got?
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Thanks for the tip honeybun. ;) (http://;))
What did your hubby 'overdo' ? Did he not rest properly? I really don't want to go back!
Ann123, it is corsydl (sp?) Mouth gel for infections. From the dentist.
PN x x
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He just carried on as if he had not had a tooth out. If I remember he cut the grass ::).
He does take aspirin every day and that makes it harder for his blood to clot. He is also diabetic. Oh and a bit dozy for not doing what he was told.
Just don't do anything that would increase your blood pressure and you will be just fine.
Honeyb
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Thanks Honeybun, I will behave. Too scared of going back to the dentist to do anything else! PN x x
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Gums/mouths improved Girls?
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Thanks CLKD, I had a rotten night but things have calmed today. Pain gone, just very sore and tender - understandably. Face swelling is reducing. Big mistake going for a walk though
Doing warm salt water - how often would you suggest, I have forgotten what Dentist said, not surprising as I was in shock at the time.
That tooth has been part of me for over 55 years, but I must say I am relieved it has gone! Just amazed at how quick it came out!
Hope your is improving Ann123?
PN x x
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Quick swill every hour today and 3/4 times tomorrow, or ring your Dental Surgery for advice?
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Was it a back tooth? I would rather have an extraction ANY day over root canal and whenever I get told that I need root canal and the tooth is not one that shows, I opt for extraction, its a quick injection or 3 and a tug and out, so well, done, I think that you made the right decision, warm salt water rinsing will help and for those that need it done in future, bite on a used tea bag after extraction, it stops the bleeding, my dentist told me that :)
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Thanks I will do that
Yes, back double. 3 injections :o (http://:o)and a lot of tugging but amazingly fast removal! The injection into the abcess was the worst pain ever. But I am so pleased not to have the tooth anymore! Never knew about the teabag - how odd!
PN x x
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I can't remember what's it's called but there is something in the tea leaves that restricts and contracts the blood vessels therefore it stops bleeding.
I did suggest this to my hubby and was told in no uncertain terms he was not sticking a tea bag in his mouth ;D
Be careful you don't rinse too much or you are in danger of washing out the clot.
Honeyb
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I remember now. It's the tannins in the tea that stop bleeding.
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Tannin probably …..
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well I can't say I blame him! I often wonder how these things are originally found out - why would someone think of putting a tea bag in their mouth
Gum is really sore and throbbing this afternoon. I think I may have been too active and aggravated it maybe
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My hubby rinsed too much and as honeybun said he dislodged the blood clot and ended up with an infection in the bone so be careful and dont rinse too often nor too vigourously.
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Oh dear, thanks for the advice. PN x x