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General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: Rosebush on September 13, 2014, 12:22:51 PM
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Ladies is there anything you put in your bath to aid joint pain, I have osteoarthritis and cope best as I can, but current pain is in lower back & back of hip joints feels really deep inside, sat in bath for 30min this morning same as yesterday, and it really helped, then Hubby said maybe you could add something to water to help more, but not a clue what ! we have 2 Herbalists & Boots/Superdrug in the city, but know idea what to get Hubby to pick up for me... :-\ xx
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Hi Rosebush, I can't speak from experience as I do not take baths but my mother swore by Epsom Salts in her bath. It is not specifically for arthritis but the magnesium is absorbed through the skin and can have a lot of health benefits and can do no harm. don't take my word for it though, check it out and I expect others will soon drop in to give their own advice :-)
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Magnesium spray is popular for joint aches, so if you want an equivalent for your bath then epsom salts might be worth a try.
Very old fashioned but it's supposed to work.
I think you are perhaps wasting your money on anything else.
Honeyb
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Great minds BJ.
We posted at the same time ;D
Honeyb
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Rosewood when I am feeling achy I use
Weleda Arnica massage balm I use this after a bath, it is lovely to use.
Arnica Massage Balm 100ml
Weleda Arnica Massage Balm is a traditional herbal medicinal product used for the symptomatic relief of rheumatic pain, muscular pain and stiffness, backache, fibrositis, bruising, cramp, sprains and minor sports injuries. This is based on traditional use only
Essential oils an be used in the bath for joint pain mix with a little milk or oil.
http://health.howstuffworks.com/wellness/natural-medicine/aromatherapy/aromatherapy-joint-pain-relief.htm
If you can get to a health shop you will find lots of balms and rubs to help with inflammation.
I found that magnesium spray and Epsom salts in the bath, dried my skin and stung too.
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Water ........... :-X
Bubbles. Dependent on what is open at the time. Epsom salts is supposedly good. As is powdered mustard.
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Powdered mustard, ooh the wiff. :sick02:
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Epsom salts or magnesium flakes.
Epsom have the added benefit of drawing toxins from the skin.
Both should help sleep.
Kneipp do a herbal range for a variety of ailments.
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There's no whiff with mustard ;D ……… we used it for soaking feet/legs when tired. Made into a paste first then gentle stirred into a bowl of warm water ……………
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If you put a lot of Epsom Salts in, don't swallow the water, or even stay in too long! ;)
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What is the reason for that old sheep?
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;D :-X
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I think you have to be really careful what you soak in. It can dry your skin and also your lady bits.
Bubble baths are a real no no for those with VA and related problems.
Oils, if chosen carefully should be fine.
Silver Lady is fund of knowledge about that.
Even shower gel can cause havoc with vaginal problems.
Honeyb
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That was nicely put HB. Easy seeing i am new to the world of meno, VA etc. Lol
And here was me thinking that sitting for hours in epsom salts would help my cellulite.
Back to body brushing it is then.
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However - now that my VA is sorted I can use everything in the bath except those cube thingies or bath 'bombs'.
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I am going to try these :-
For arthritis, rheumatism, and other inflammatory conditions,
chamomile
marjoram,
birch
ginger.... in a massage oil.
These same oils can also be 'added' to a pain-relieving bath. May also try Epsom salts as a hand soak for painful fingers..
Will try a teaspoon of each oil in the bath, never used oils before, so may have to ask assistants in H&B if that sounds okay..Will let you know ladies if they work..
A big thank you for all replies..xxxx
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Let us know how it goes.
Honeyb
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Rosebush
Possibly a teaspoon of each is a bit much, essential oils are supposed to be measured in drops not teaspoons.
Where is silverlady when we need her? My advice would be to ask her, she is good at complementart therapy stuff
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A few drop only of each oil well diluted Rosebush, I have one already made up from my health shop, from Atlantic Aromatics ( it can get very expensive buying the individual oils all at one)
The main thing is to make sure the oils are well diluted or they will stay on the water surface.
The assistants in small independant health shops are very knowledgeable (we have an excellent one), not so much in H&B but it does vary, so do get advice Rosebush.
They sell books on Aromatheraphy, or they can be found in the Library.
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Physio used to suggest hot/cold water treatment. Place hands in cooled water and wriggle fingers, then into a bowl of hot water, wriggle fingers - several times a day. Hand cream gently massaged into hands and feet can ease symptoms, lanolin was recommended but I understand people can be allergic to this.
Warmed olive oil can help ………. gently massaged into joints.
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Update..
Was told by assistant in H&B to try
2drops peppermint
4drops lavender
small amount of oil..
Mix all together on spoon hold under warm running bath tap until spoon is clean, then swish water in bath for a few sec's..then fill up bath as required..did this for 5nights, then have had 2-3 soaks per week since, and this has really helped :) also for finger pain was advised..
Rock salt added to warm water, soak for 5-10mins, rinse off well under warm water, dry hands, then massage hands gently with warm olive oil, best done at bedtime, if possible wear cotton gloves ( didn't have any) this also has helped.. :)
Still using both remedies..pain still there, but nothing like it was, i can bend easier now, even painted my toe nails last week! and i can type now for at least 20mins, before I start to feel pain in fingers and have to stop..before had pain in less than 3mins.. x All i need now is for night sweats to stop after 15yrs so i can get some sleep!! xx
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One should not use lavender oils if pregnant :-\ ::) ….
Grandma swore by Epsom salts ……… table salt for wounds.
Radox is nice too …...
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Ive tried the lot but nothing works- bit of relaxing music , nice bubbles, water not too hot , bliss, maybe Guy Martin in too as an extra painn relieving etxra!!! ::)
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Guy Martin :-* would want to drive your bath down the stairs ;D
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I just had to google Guy Martin to find out who he was!
Taz x
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…. and do you like what you see ……… ;)
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Not really - difficult to see him as anything other than the same age as my son - just sort of feels wrong... ;D
Taz x
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;D ………….
I'm beginning to compile a C.mas list ;)
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I googled him too! Ye not bad, side breeders could do with a trim ;D
Went to see my brother earlier and who was on TV yes guy Martin lol, funny that x
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;D ............ :-*
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I would put Guy Martin on my Xmas list and in my bath ;D.....we can but dream can't we.
Too many metro sexual guys around these days and Guy is the complete opposite.
Honeyb
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In my bath goes some Molton Brown bubbles, me and DH ;D
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What, no wine ;D
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Nope!
The wine goes in me while I'm in the bath ;D
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Guy martin............. Ahhhhhh. ;)
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:meltdown: :wub:
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Scott Bakula would be my choice :)
(http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BNDM1NDkzOTE0MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwMzA0OTY1._V1_SY317_CR3,0,214,317_AL_.jpg)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000836/
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Who ……. photos? ……
Last night I had a spider join me in the bubbles ;D - unfortunately not a money spider, we didn't win on the Lottery last night …….. I scooped up the spider in a mug and tipped it over the side where it scuttled away ……..
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I would probably have drowned with panic trying to get myself out, hate them
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Oh it looked really quiet, laying on the surface tension ;D ……. but I thought it was safety to scoop out the spider than than risk slipping :D
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:thankyou: ……….
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Nothing.......... Never have a bath :-*
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only just found this fun thread. I never have a bath either but my choice could be James Norton or failing that my husband ::)
(Baddie Tommy Lee Royce in Happy Valley/Detective Vicar Sidney Chambers in Grantchester :) )
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PHEW ………. ;D
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If I had a bath, I wouldn't mind sharing with Doctor Macdreamy........
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Want to buy my friend something smelly for her birthday next month - any suggestions? may have to go to Bicester Village for a look-see ;)
Off to run my bath now >wave< night night!
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Want to buy my friend something smelly for her birthday next month - any suggestions? may have to go to Bicester Village for a look-see ;)
Off to run my bath now >wave< night night!
Jo Malone bath oils are heaven! I love the lime basil and mandarin one.
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:thankyou: ……….. readily available …….. :-\
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:thankyou: ……….. readily available …….. :-\
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Supermarket or somewhere more specialised - maybe I need to google !
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Supermarket or somewhere more specialised - maybe I need to google !
Jo Malone is only sold through the Jo Malone shops, but you can buy it online. It's a luxury brand, so not cheap - but worth every penny. :)
Otherwise, how about something like Neal' s Yard, which you can buy in places like Waitrose.
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You are a Mine of info, thank you! Will have a look-see for both my friend and Mum's gifts.
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Didn't realise shower gels can cause problems 'below'...is soap ok? Having finally found something that doesn't make my psoriasis flare up, I don't want to have to stop using it because it causes problems elsewhere...
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Didn't realise shower gels can cause problems 'below'...is soap ok? Having finally found something that doesn't make my psoriasis flare up, I don't want to have to stop using it because it causes problems elsewhere...
The ONLY thing you should use 'below' is warm water.
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McDreamy would work for me too ::) My gran always used epsom salts as I recall, any idea how much one should use?
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McDreamy would work for me too ::) My gran always used epsom salts as I recall, any idea how much one should use?
Epsom salts- interesting, yes how much?
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What's the benefit of putting Epsom Salts in the bath?
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Ask my late Granny ;) ……….. it was all they had? A couple of tablespoon fulls in a jug of warmed water, stirred until dissolved. Then tipped under the taps as you run your bath. Mustard the same. Won't do any harm.
If one has bubbles etc. in the bath then the act of washing thoroughly after a good soak will rinse away any residue. I've NEVER had problems except with those 'cubes' which caused intense itching down there ::)
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If you have VA then the only thing you should have in your bath is hot water and you, in fact a shower is much better.
Bubbles are a big no no.
Honeyb
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I usually shower unless I am aching really badly when a bath helps. But I'd have to use something to wash with as I'd stink if I only used water. It's bad enough with soap...sometimes I have to wash THREE times before I don't smell any more. I was thinking of offering my underarm sweat to the government as a weapon of chemical warfare... :o
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Dorothy - that too will pass ;) [see my oh errrr thread] …..
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Epsom salts = magnesium sulphate. Good for aches and pains and sleep.
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Apparently. :thankyou: we used to bath in them after a sponsored walk, of which I did several ::) and used meths on our feet to 'harden' the skin ready for all those miles.
Mustard was used when we had a cold. Zinc and caster oil ……. for cuts and bruises. Germolene ……..
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You can stand up to use soap, then rinse and get out. It's sitting in soapy water that's not great.
Soap is drying. Bubble bath can contain sodium lauryl sulphate which is the same foaming agent that's used in floor cleaner and you wouldn't put that on your skin willingly.
Stands to reason that your bits suffer if they have to sit in that kind of environment :o
Honeyb
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So what do we do, girls?
Do I want to smell of mustard, meths or epsom salts, to put my Hubby in the mood?
Looks as though it's either sense or scent!! ::)
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;D …….. lavender ?
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So if I use soap in the shower, I should be ok? That's a relief. I have a really strong sense of smell & it's driving me round the bend at the moment. The soap I use is glycerine based and doesn't seem to dry my skin much - I started using it for my psoriasis as I found shower gels etc too drying.
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Try to look for natural stuff....avoid SLS as its awful stuff and so bad for your skin.
I can't remember the last time I had a bath because it makes things feel dried up and sore....and I use Vagifem.
My daughter uses all sorts of stuff and then complains of itching. Is is any wonder.
I was always told....never use soap on your face, so I never have because it's so drying.....it must have the same effect on the rest of our body. Not good at this time I think.
Honeyb
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I don't use soap except on my personal places ;) but I do like to laze in the bubbles [good quality] and when I shower I stand there for ages ::) ……… other than the bath cube thingies nothing makes me itch unless I don't dry my skin completely …….
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Epsom salts are also good for thrush and eczema.
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I have to make sure that my underarms are completely free of hair or I whiff. Also if we eat spicy foods I can smell it on my skin ::)
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I have to make sure that my underarms are completely free of hair or I whiff. Also if we eat spicy foods I can smell it on my skin ::)
Ditto the spicy food smell CLKD, I smell it in my sweat too.
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Talking of epsom salts in your bath... http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-13952/why-everyone-should-try-an-epsom-salt-bath.html
Taz x
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Very interesting Taz read the article would never have known that, this forum is a world of information so enlightening !
Maybe one day I can come up with some little pearl of wisdom ;D
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Ooh, I'm going on an Epsom Salts hunt tomorrow :)
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Make sure that you don't buy Andrews Liver salts by mistake ;)
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Make sure that you don't buy Andrews Liver salts by mistake ;)
You never know, they could be the miracle meno cure we've all been looking for. ;)
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After watching Poldark on Sunday, I'd like to put Aidan Turner in my bath :meltdown: :wub:
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Epsom salts really help me with tension issues,now use it 3 times a week,the old remedies do work sometimes !
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where can you get a decent size bag ? i can only get a small tub in thge chemist, wouldnt last a week, am i thinking i need too much ?
how much should you put in the bath ?
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You can get a 10kg box from A..z.. with free postage that's the best price /size I've found ,I put in about a teacup that's what the man in the herbal shop said.
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I use about a teacup too. I found so many different instructions on the internet, including that you must soak for 10 minutes, at least 40 minutes, never for longer than 20 (why? because I'll turn into a pumpkin?!) , between 10 & 30...amounts varied hugely too. I started off with a tiny amount and worked up as I wasn't sure how my skin would react. I usually soak for about 20 minutes as I am not a wallow-in-the-bath type person. But the results have been AMAZING! It doesn't just make me feel incredibly relaxed, it wipes out all the joint ache, clears up the soreness and irritation down below, stops my skin itching and feeling dry...psoriasis has been much happier too. Usually sleep much better the night after a salts bath as well. In fact, I rabbit on so much to so many people about how wonderful it is that I am rapidly becoming the Official Number One Epsom Salts Bore of Great Britain. ;D
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I would call 20 mins a wallow ;D ………. good book, cuppa, lots of bubbles.
Galadriel - did Aidan stay put or was he like soap, slippery :-X :P
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I stay in for 20 because the majority of the articles said either 20 or at least 20 minutes, so I thought that was the best to be effective. I am longing to get out after about 5 minutes but as my joints don't stop aching till I've been in the tub nearly 20 minutes, it's a good incentive to stay put.
I'm always a bit worried about dropping my book into the bath, so I take the gardening catalogues in instead. At least if I drop those in the tub it means I can't buy any plants so I save myself money :)
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;D a few years ago I had saved a magazine for weeks - decided to read it in the bath, guess who dropped the WHOLE magazine and that particular page into the bubbles >:( ::) - it dried on the radiator but could only read those particular pages ::) ……..
I love having my feet in a bowl of hot water too :-X
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We don't have a bath at home, just a shower but I'm going down to London this afternoon with my sister and our hotel room has one - guess where I'll be tonight?
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Fenjal in the summer, Sanctuary Spa in the winter. :)
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All night Greyhoundgal ;D
Fenjal - now there's a thought for a change - :thankyou:
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I have a choice of 3 bubbles - and a very good book! Night Night!
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Ladies is there anything you put in your bath to aid joint pain, I have osteoarthritis and cope best as I can, but current pain is in lower back & back of hip joints feels really deep inside, sat in bath for 30min this morning same as yesterday, and it really helped, then Hubby said maybe you could add something to water to help more, but not a clue what ! we have 2 Herbalists & Boots/Superdrug in the city, but know idea what to get Hubby to pick up for me... :-\ xx
Nothing Ive not had a bath in over 30 years I HATE them sitting in dirty water YUK shower for me every day
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I've not had a bath in over 30 years :o - it's OK SuziQ - it's raining over here I'll lend you a towel ;)
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You cheeky sod CLKD hehehehehe ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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:lol: :whist:
Does 1 get to shower on a plane in the air? or is a loo cubicle only :-\
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2-night it will be lots of bubbles and a very good book ………. like, any moment now I will be running that hot water and getting a fresh towel ;)
See U in the morning!
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Never been on a plane that had a shower CLKD. Went on a plane last year that had a bathroom, it had a toilet, a small seating area and a washbasin.
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Did you use it all - it's paid for in the ticket presumably!
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Any one noticed that 'Shield' aqua soap is missing from shelves :-\
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Ladies is there anything you put in your bath to aid joint pain, I have osteoarthritis and cope best as I can, but current pain is in lower back & back of hip joints feels really deep inside, sat in bath for 30min this morning same as yesterday, and it really helped, then Hubby said maybe you could add something to water to help more, but not a clue what ! we have 2 Herbalists & Boots/Superdrug in the city, but know idea what to get Hubby to pick up for me... :-\ xx
Nothing Ive not had a bath in over 30 years I HATE them sitting in dirty water YUK shower for me every day
I'm the opposite, Suzi Q. I hate standing up to get clean - and then live in fear and dread of that horrible moment when you switch the shower off and you half-freeze. Bath wins for me, hands-down!
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No bath in this house! Neither of us like baths, only showers, so we opted for a walk in shower in stead if a bath in our small bathroom. You dry yourself in the cubicle with the cubicle doors shut, then step out next to the heated towel rail. No shivering here! :bounci:
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The dog! :scottie: ;D otherwise we both use the shower (not together, no room ::))
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I love having a bath ...we have both bath and shower facilities ... And I love having bubble bath too.... :) But only Radox ::)
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I bought some shower jell from a charity shop last week - can't wait to get under the water to try it out ;D
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Showers for me.
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Our shower cubicle would hold 5 very close friends ;D ….. :-X
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Ooo cosy. You can hardly turn round in ours ;D
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With 5 we wouldn't be able to turn around either - I think we ought to rent out the space.
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We wish we had opted for a bigger shower cubicle, DH because he wants to wash my back, so he says naughty boy or rather dirty old man ;D, and me cos it's such a pain to clean. So many nooks and crannies in a small space. ::)
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We have various shower sprays but they seem to miss my body as the shower was put in for the height of the tallest user ::). I also have a dimmer switch over the cubicle ;)
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One shower head here that you can hold and direct in any direction. No fancy stuff, but it works.
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When I get under the shower head and turn on, the first blast is cold :-\ - do you have a switcher on thingy outside the cubicle? We stand outside until the water heats up enough.
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Flashing light on the controls, so you press the button, close the doors and wait till it stops. Does the job, but if I had the money, I would redesign the room. One day maybe. Looks good though.
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Is that waiting in the cubicle or outside, away from the jet of water :-\
I did: re-design our bathroom ;) - DH said it couldn't be done so I asked our Builder, we got our heads together and hey presto! and I love it - that was eversomany years ago, probably 9 ……….
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Outside the cubicle! No room to duck out the way! Time enough to check your weight! Obviously we redesigned the bathroom when we got rid of the bath. We have lovely cupboards surrounding the basin, so you can hide all those bits and pieces. But I would sacrifice that not to have a cubicle difficult to clean. We will do it one day as when you get older it helps to have room for a seat. Or if you break a bone as DH did a couple of years ago. You learn by using what works well.
I've been washing with Epidaderm emulsifying ointment recently. I have very dry skin and washing with cheaper emulsifying ointments instead of shower gel really helped, but started to find they irritated my nether regions, so I did some research......well, read the ingredient list more carefully! Contains SLS. More expensive ones don't, so tried this one and no irritation.
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Every time I read the title of this thread I have a giggle to myself.
My dear, poorly old dad was being asked by a one of the health care assistants about his skin which was becoming quite fragile. She asked him what he put in his bath as she was concerned that he may have been using a bath product which was giving him "the itches" as he called it. I can see him now fixing her with his twinkly old eyes and saying "What do I put in me bath? What sorta question's that? What do I put in me bath? Well, that's a rum 'un. Do you really want to know what I puts in me bath? Well... let me have a think dear... ah yes.. I remember..I puts WATER in it a'course. What do you put in yours?" before giving me a wink and closing his eyes.
Taz x
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I bought a new bottle of bubbles and can hardly wait to run the water ::)
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The shower cubicle is still in the dining area at my house
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Dom perinon or Moet ? !
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;D ……… supermarket finest for the bath - Himself drinks the bubbly ::)
That shower cubicle - put it on 'freecycle'? see if your husband notices it has gone :D
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I laid in the bath last evening and as my book was elsewhere ::) I read the contents of the shampoo, bubble bath etc. that I use regularly and each has SLS included!
So my question is - which products don't have SLS in?
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Good question!
I guess most shampoos and other cleaning products contain SLS (also known as SDS = sodium dodecyl sulphate), even toothpastes :o can have it.
Maybe if you look for specific products displaying "SDS or SLS free" you can find one... good luck!
Like these http://www.marieclaire.com/beauty/g3760/best-sulfate-free-shampoos/
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The ogx shampoo I like (tea tree and mint) is ok but hard to find at the moment. I have tried others without sls but don't like them (don't like many with either, mind, fussy ::) )
Sensodyne toothpaste is ok - I find other toothpastes very frothy :bouncing:
In the bath, I use a few drops of lavender and chamomile oils. Sometimes I use a mix of Sandalwood (a cheaper more dilute one coz it is v expensive) clary sage and ylang ylang in a bit of oil, which is quite 'heady' :wub:
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I absolutely love Sandlewood but how it is delivered, with SLS?
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I've found Ethical Superstore is a great place to look for additive-free bath & shower stuff. I've tried a few, but now I stick with Faith in Nature products which are SLS free, fairly easily available (you can order online but my local health shop and local Oxfam do a limited range) and don't irritate my skin.
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No SLS in the sandalwood - just got the (rather dilute) essential oil from that well known healthfood store. It is lovely mixed with the other two and oil - no bubbles. You can drop two or three drops of the lavender and chamomile straight into water as they are quite gentle.
I am coming to the conclusion that I don't need soapy stuff - just use the yes vaginal wash for cleaning myself in the bath these days ;D Otherwise I just lie back and read 8) (and give my feet a good scrub with the flannel at the end.)
Except for the shampoo. That is a minefield. Some non SLS stuff is (expensive :o )rubbish and turns me into a fluffball. I have found my favourite shampoo online from that big chemist place as a result of this thread, so I might do an online order.
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Have you used 'body and earth' products? I read the bottle last night and it states "Excessive use or prolonged exposure may cause irritation to skin and urinary tract".
So I looked at the web-site which states that they use 'gentle' products :-\. It doesn't froth particularly well, which isn't a problem but there is little/no perfume and the soap is YUK!
I had this as a birthday gift via Amazon.
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Epsom Salts is the go-to. I have M.E. and have a friend with M.E. and Fibromyalgia and we both swear by it. What you have to watch out for is quantity, water temp and duration in the bath. A large handful, in warm-hot (not boiling) water and for twenty minutes seems to be about right. There is a company that has latched on to Epsom Salts and is now producing trendy varieties with trendy names like Mindfulness. Avoid these or anything added which will dilute the purpose of the Epsom Salts and potentially trigger VA issues. So, these are medicinal baths with only Epsom Salts, no having a wash with soap etc at the same time. Also, pat dry to allow the transdermal effect, no rubbing dry. I sometimes just sit in a bath sheet letting it all soak in. Good luck!
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tnx. Paternal Grandma had Epsom salts in her cupboard: as well as Dettoll, zinc and caster oil, bicarb of soda ::)
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Water 💦
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Not even a body to follow it with?