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Menopause Discussion => Other Health Discussion => Topic started by: niecsey on May 08, 2010, 07:31:10 AM
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Hi girls x after having my hyster and a long hard look at my life l decided after years of avoidance/embarrasment to go see my gp regarding a breast reduction. Ive suffered for years with bad backs etc and now have spinal issues which l believe are caused from my big boobies!! Love hate relationship and now my gp has applied for funding for the reduction. Was wondering if anyone here had had it done and if anyone had it done after hyster? Thanks all xxx
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my mother had a reduction when she got diagnosed with breast cancer. she had a lumpectomy, lymph nodes removed and then a double breast reduction. she had very large breasts and they halved the size of them.
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Niecsey,
I've been considering this for years, and I'm pleased to find someone else in the same position. I'm only 5ft 3" yet my bra size is now a horrendous 34JJ, and every time I get a new bra I seem to need a bigger cup size. Like you I have back problems and I swear my spine is starting to curve at the top.
I hate my boobs as they are so heavy and ugly, reaching down to my waist, and I'm sure my husband thinks they're ugly too, though he won't say so in so many words. My GP thinks I could get a reduction on the NHS but I'm just plain terrified of the operation, which I understand is quite major.
Maybe we can support each other, if you'll pardon the expression! ::)
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YES YES YES PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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major update since i posted this!!!
Went to my docs 10 days ago after waking up in horrendous pain again and thought to myself l cant stand this any longer honestly my back rib and chest pain disables me and l ainty kidding either!!. Doc was brill and said she would apply for funding and it would take a few weeks but l fitted all the criteria............... l couldnt believe it when as week later the letter come saying they would pay for the op!!! I have to see gp this week to finalise a few things before she refers me to a breast surgeon!!!
After today l am more than convinced lm doing the right thing.... l wanted to be sure of correct size so went to Bravisimo l am now a 36ff!!! l tried that many bras on l KNEW l was going to end up crippled tonight and l am my spine and under my boobs/ribs are so sore l can hardly turn... l wish l had of done something about this years ago but was too embarrassed l know l have spine and shoulder problems these showed up on xrays damage is done now but l cant take the weight of these boobs anymore sleeping is so uncomfy wearing a bra is so uncomfy l spend a fortune on bras tryng to find the magic one and it aint happening. I would love to keep in touch with you and we can do this together. I know the breast surgeon has final say and l hope everythings ok so the op can go ahead l really cant put up with this any longer l am in so much pain and theres always chance they will grow bigger now lm on hrt!! Ive been reading other boards regarding this op and 99.9% totally happy. I dont care about scars l just need to get rid of some pain :( My Oh is happy for me to do what l want he knows how much pain l suffer and how much l miss out on. I know its a big operation but the benefits are worth it from what l can see!! Will sttop here or l wont shut up lol great to meet you xxxx Ps lm the worlds biggest medical wimp if l can do it you can!!!!
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You won't regret it. my A cups are bliss and after two years from breast reduction op still don't move an inch!
Go to www.breasthealthonline.com for fantastic support, they have included a uk forum and loads of information that will get you throught it all, the girls are wonderfully supporting with so much advice.
For a small fee you can get picture access,I found this so helpful. Be prepared to become boob obsessed!! we also end up with drawers full of pretty bras, you just can't resist after a breast reduction. I don't have to wear a bra now, but am still buying them.
Good luck.
ladyjane
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Thanks Jayne x l already joined that website lol :) afew weeks ago its really good!! Congratulations you on your op and freedom!! Were you big to start off with? How did you get down to an A cup? Well after yesterdays bra marathon at bravisimo l can hardly move seriously my backs a right mess and under boobs ribs :( to top it off l slipped after l left the shop rain and uggs dont go together be warned so now l have a dead leg too!! Strained wrists as well!! Thanks for your reply away to try soak in bath :( xxx
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Niecsey, Do you mind me asking what height you are? I too am 36FF & I am 5ft 3in. I too have had back problems for many years, mainly lower back, but sometimes get really bad shoulder pains too.
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Hi lm 5ft 2!!! always had massive boobies l just woke up woth them one day as a teen and that was it!! They dotn shrink when l loose weight either ::) lm having terrible time with my back its getting worse been almost bed bound today when l move getting horrendous spasm type pains in mid upper back where bra fastens through to chest had these a while buit l guess the fall has intensifed the pain :( slightest thing setting it off if this is all down to boobies wish l had of done soemthing earlier about it! :( ( wear tear to spine/shoulders and straightening to lower spine) Do you girls know if its ok to take the likes of diclofenac co codamol whilst using hrt etc? Thank you x Ps Joyce boobs can cause lower back pain l guess thats why mine has straightened to compensate !! If you suffer too much dont wait like l have :( honestly even using my arms repeatedly causes me mega pain cant even shopping etc l do and l pay for it big time doics never took me seriously either took years to even get xrays !!! x
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Hi niecsey
I was a 36F, it took two goes to get the size I wanted and I may have pushed the customer satisfaction a little on the NHS but I got there in the end, I did have some complications with the second op, but it was all worth it to get the lightness and freedom I have now. No more aching back and ribs, no more ridges in my shoulders, and perfectly in proportion for my small build. I grew with menopause and a partial hysterectomy and thought I am on a very small dose estrogen patch, it has not caused any gain on my breasts which I did worry about.
Glad you have joined breasthealthonline, those girls have so much knowledge they could do a breast reduction themselves LOL. The one bit of advice I would give you is to err on the side of small when talking to the surgeon, make sure he knows you want to be small and not his idea of what you want.
Remember that cup size is relative a 36A is the same size as a 34B and so on, so take a bra size that you want to be with you when you see the surgeon. He will be able to judge what he can get you down too when he has examined you.
Best of luck
ladyjane
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Thank you x wont l look pushy if l take bra with me pmsl lol ? Can l ask you about your pain please cos lm demented l cant find anyone with the pain l get ...lve had a bad afternoon due to yesterdays bra marathon l KNOW when lm going to suffer... lve had some pretty severe spasms? in my mid back bit where bra fastens almost feel like coming though to chest boy they hurt and stop you in ya tracks :( only last a few seconds but the aftermath.... has you scared to move.. and it leaves after pain/sensation. From all that trying on yesterday my ribs under my boobs were so sore it hurt to turn :( and lve had a few meck pains half way down neck level with ear that really hurts. Right will shut up now you dont wanjt to hear all my aches and pains lo, thanks for reply glad your sorted now :) x
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It sounds as if you might have costochondritis http://www.medicinenet.com/costochondritis_and_tietze_syndrome/article.htm perhaps seeing your doctor again might help, or you might have a slipped rib that causes the symptoms you describe, that what I had and I had to have manipulation every so often to sort it out, since the op I am pain free.
Hope this helps
ladyjane
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Hi Jayne and thanks l have mentioned this before to the doc they said chest wall pain so........... l dont even go now waste of time just more pain killers l also went to chriropractor which made things worse so wouldnt do that again!! the thought of been pain free or in less pain is so inviting :) do you have osteo of the spine and shoulders too now? Did l mention my lower spine has straightened out? Also l have a fibromyagia diagnosis too x
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Hi girls you ok? :) Oldteen are you about? x
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Hello Niecsey!
I'm delighted that things are happening! My problems with my boobs are nothing compared to yours.
I went to my GP years ago as I was experiencing pain in the left ribcage at night, and after many--thankfully negative--tests to prove it was nothing sinister he concluded it was the weight of my enormous boobs as I tend to lay on my left side.
I've not taken it further as I'm just so scared of having an operation. I wish he had said, "I'm booking you in as you MUST have them reduced," then I would have meekly obeyed!
I'm not talking about women who are flat-chested or who have had mastectomies, but anyone who chooses to have their boobs increased beyond a comfortable and natural size is nuts!
I was a C cup at the age of ten, and would walk around with my arms folded in an attempt to hide my chest. Now I'm a 34JJ and seem to go up a cup size every time I buy a new bra. Thank god for "Bravissimo" who stock a K cup, which i will need next I expect. :o
Maybe your experience will push me into making that appointment. It will also take my mind off my other silly whinges that I've posted on here.
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Oldteen, ouch for you! I'm 36FF and feel pretty huge at that. It is very uncomfortable isn't it? Especially when the weather is warm. Not many cotton bras out there, especailly for us bigger ladies. Oh to be able to let it all hang loose! ;D ;D Except it wouldn't look pretty!
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Joyce, you're not wrong! ::)
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Just do it!!! Honest it gets worse the older you get!! I believe my time with overactive thyroid took all my muscles strength thats when the weakness started and l cant carry them anymore lm a 36ff!! Ive pmd you honestly l am a right chicken and the thought of getting my boobs out in front of anyone horrifies me lol The op lm scared believe you me but if l can be rid of some of this pain it will be worth it lve just had ahyeter and from what lve read its easier than that! I woke up with these Mamas one day as a teen theyve never been little lol l hid myself too. Im in so much pain today l know lm doing right thing l hope surgeon agrees!! x
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Niecsey - I hope that you get what you need and that the surgeon is sympathetic. However, I would think carefully about the effect surgery can have on fibro. It can lead to bad flare ups and the recovery time is often much longer than for healthy people. Don't want to worry you but any stress on the body is particular nasty when you suffer with fibro. I am sure you know this anyway but just thought I would mention it. My dentist wouldn't even do dental work until I had been flare-free for three months :(
Taz x
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Taz ive had 2 big surgerys and 1 minor in less than 3 years and l can honestly say they never bothered me fibro wise thankfully mine is defo not stress related l know through things that have happened... this pain is so bad ld cut them off myself if l could :( seriously if l pick them up with my hands the relief is instant!!! Its hard to explain remember lve already got spinal stuff going on too lve been tolds the straightening of the spine is caused by carrying them and l also have wear and tear to spine and both shoulders... l just wish l had done soemthing about it years ago instead of been embarrassed lm not expecting all my pain to go but the thought of some of it gone.............. bliss :) Thanks for your thoughtful reply much appreciated xxx
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That's ok - it is unusual though to have fibro which isn't made worse by stress. What is it that sets yours off if you don't mind me asking? I got told off last week for not mentioning at the meno clinic until the end. I made me realise that I should take notice of it a lot more than I do :)
Taz x :hug:
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I tend to have stomach issues when stressed gas etc the aches and pains come whatever l cannot say there stress related maybe they prolong if lm stressed out? But l really cant say if lm stressed l will be in pain... maybe if l didnt have the other stuff going on then then l could pick fibro symptoms triggers out more easily? You have to be careful cos alot of docs dont think fibro exsists and like to put down the things they dont understand or do not Know down as depression stress etc... especially in our age groups!! x
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I have never had any problems getting fibro help - it is only the name that has changed after all. Twenty years ago it was called fibrositis and has always been clinically recognised. If you have an M.E. diagnosis then it is more difficult to find the help I reckon.
I know I have got to cut something out of my life as I am getting more and more symptoms... the trouble is... what??
Taz x
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Hi Taz you must have a good doctor!! One rheumy l seen said fibro didnt exsist! It was 2nd rheumy 18 mth later that gave me the diagnosis, l find the younger docs tned to be more open minded.. others l think you get to your late 30's/40's and they just put your symptoms down to life and been a woman! x
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I've just made an appointment to see my GP on June 1st. One small step... ;)
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I think that my first flare up was so severe that they couldn't fail to miss it! I didn't work for a year and couldn't even drive the eight miles to town whereas, before, I would quite happily do a 400 mile round trip in a day without even thinking about it. It was the rheumatologist who diagnosed it after ruling out other things but I exactly matched the criteria with all the trigger points in the right places - got something right for once ;D ;D that was ten years ago and though I have never managed to get back to walking my normal 5 to 6 miles at a time I have progressed to just over 2 and, considering that 8 years ago I could do just under half a mile I am well pleased!
I just don't treat it with the respect it needs :-\
Good luck with your appointment Oldteen
Taz x
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YEAAA OLD TEEN :) GOOD LUCK IM WITH YA X If l can start this so can you !!! If they agree to do this oor lives will be so much better :) My appointment with the plastic surgeon is 28th June l think... l will be a nervous wreck come the day :o known my luck room will be full of students pmsl ??? Hi Taz ;) x fibro is a real bugger isnt it? :( x Your right we push ourselves then pay for it!!!! I cant pace either very well.... something else l should do! xx
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Niecsey,
Don't worry about students being there, you can always refuse to have them in the room.
I don't mind students. As they're new and keen they're interested in you and don't see you as a piece of meat as the old hands tend to do!
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No lol, they will see us as a big pair of boobies :) LOL xxx
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You've just described my appearance: head, boobs, legs. There's a torso under there somewhere.... ;)
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For years I always thought I was a 34B and probably was then a couple of years ago lost a lot of weight and went down to 32B. However a few weeks ago I was in York and went in to the Freya underwear shop and got measured and I was horrified when she said I was a 30DD cup! I nearly died - I can't get into a 30DD at M & S but a 32D I can - which is probably the same size in a roundabout way.
I was shocked at the cup size DD but pleased at the drop of 4 inches in back size whereas my partner was over the moon I was a DD! And I'm only 5ft 2ins!
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It's said that most women wear a back size that's too big and a cup size that's too small, which is one reason why there's less choice in larger sizes as manufacturers think there's no demand. I see a fitter every time I buy a bra. I used to think I was a 36 back size, but got properly measured and in fact need a 34 or even a 32 depending on the manufacturer.
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I wore 36A for years but bras were always uncomfortable. Had a proper fitting and found I was 34B or 32C depending on style. Was quite excited to be a cup or 2 bigger! Since then bras have been much more comfortable.
Bixby x
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I have to admit since getting measured and wearing either a 30DD (get all the bargains in the sales cos not many people that size) or a 32D - I agree - they are so much more comfortable.
She also told me that no wires or support etc. should dig into breast tissue so I'm wary of that now.
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Pre-fitting I'd always worn un-wired bras as I thought I was too small to need anything. She said no, I should use wired as I wasn't that small a cup-size, just slim. Made my day! ;) ;D And have to admit, wired are much more comfortable for me.
Bixby x
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Well I went to the GP today who was most sympathetic about what she described as my "heavy and pendulous" breasts. She noted that, as I suspected, my spine is starting to curve, probably from the weight of them.
She's written to the plastic surgeon putting my case for breast reduction on medical grounds. Now we'll see...
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Hi girls sorry l havnt been on been away for a few days so glad you seen doc teen x I see surgeon end of this month l hope he says yes!!! x Be back later got a lot of catching up to do xxx
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I can only advise anyone unsure about a breast reduction is to go through with it. It is a scary prospect but if you are unsure about the after the op thing. Don't be, i had one down 3 yrs ago, went from a 32G to a D, absolutely love it. I had a slight prob with scarring and had to have the scars remove but i did my research and found special dressings which i wore the second time and hey presto, no probs. I had the most horrendous breast pain, had tried a few treatments, none of them pleasant. I was referred to breast clinic as my g.p thought i couldn't be referred by him, to quote an earlier post, young surgeon took one look and said very large and pendulous. lol He also told me that for my height (5"1) my nipples were 9cm too low. :o :o Well one was 8 the other 9. So yes yes yes. All in favour, btw, i only waited 3 months for mine.
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Thanks brilliant so pleased for you x Im not bothered about scars l have a few from other ops the scars dont bother me its not like l will have my boobs on show lol l just want some pain relief this sounds funny but even with a bra on and if l pick them up with my hands the relief is unbelievable l just hope surgeon says yes he has final say 28th l go to see him. I know l will be so embarrased getting them out to a stranger in daylight ! Pmsl l will be crapping myself more about that lol x
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So was i, but i think they've seen similiar before, just imagine he's wearing frilly knickers under his suit. You never know, he might well be. My scars were a prob as keloid scarring, didn't heal and became very angry, painful and tough, but you won't suffer from that as you've had surgery before. My pain was immense, i couldn't shop in the chiller/freezer section, and when my period was due weight just seemed unrelentless. I was also told that they may grow back, but i'll get it done again if i need to. Have you been working out ALL the reasons for having it done? I found that i'd just learned to live with most of them.
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I find exercise really bad using my arms is sheer hell my spine has already straightened at the bottom and l have wear and tear to spine and shoulders. Over the years l can do less l dont think its all due to boobs but it dont help.. ironing, hand washing hoovering all end up hurting my back sternum and ribs. I have an exercise bike and cant use the handle bars if l keep my arms out stretched it plast havoc with my back etc You mentioned pain and cold omg l dont go out when its freezing if l can help it that is horrendous too sets the ribs and back off are we talking the same kind of pain? If so lm so pleased to meet you !! I also have fibromyagia too. So l dont know whats causing what really. Also cant go braless at all even for bed :( x pmsl about the knickers lol just reread your post lol when you said working out l thought you meant exercise! Oh yes its something lve wanted done since l was a teen but was too embarrassed to see about it.... your right you just live with it and l have until the morning l woke up in agony and thought l cant put up with this anymore which took me to the doc, appointments getting closer now!! x
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Absolutely the same language, i think the rib/back pain from the cold for me was meno though 'cause it's still here, but i used to get shooting pains all the way up my arms to my fingers, and stabbing pains all around my nipples. Braless! Now there's a pretty sight. NOT! The worst psychological thing for me was, taking hours trying to find something to wear to cover them but not drown me, then going out and, OMG, where have my eyes gone, everyone talks to the cleavage even when it's not visible. Don't miss that at all. I gave myself tennis elbow because i had to sleep on my front with my arms folder under them. It's not a crime to want to shop in normal shops for undies. Good luck for the 28th. Eddie x
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Thank you x :) l cant sleep/lie on my back cos it makes my chest bones really hurt and cant lie on stomach cos back hurts!!! Did you get the awful sternum pain too? Mine was worse before period there :( even though lve been out in surgical meno certain positions trigger it off still too. Its really good talkign to you :) away to wash dye off hair now lol catch you later xx
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Good luck niecsey!
I'm now waiting for an appointment to be "assessed". Meanwhile, I'm having a routine mammogram tomorrow. It's all boobs at the moment!
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Good luck Teen x do let me know how you get on and l will do the same :) x
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Gosh those mammograms bring tears to the eyes! The radiographer tried to distract me by talking about football (yawn) and when I complained about the size of my boobs she said last week she saw a lady with even bigger boobs than mine! Is this possible, I ask myself.
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pmsl lol lve never had one but l think l might get one l think you do if you go for breast reduction? Bit scared actually my mam died of breast cancer a week before xmas :( Hope ya feel ok xxx
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I didn't get one before my reduction.
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How old were you if you dont mind me asking when you had your reduction? Any family history of Breast cancer? x
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Yeh no probs, i was 42, my Aunt had breast cancer, my mum had a few scares, i don't have any sisters. So that is all the females i can think of. Eddie x
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Thanks Eddie x just preparing myself for my appointment lol lm dreading getting my mamas out noones seen them in daylight for years pmsl apart from when lve had ecgs lol x
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Niecsey, I'm so sorry about your mum, when I was making light of the mammogram. I hope you're okay.
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Hey no offence was taKing at all :) l never even thought it come across ;like that :) Not too good at mo on 14 days of antibs doc thinks lve infection 12 weeks post hysterectomy and my back upper and lower is breaking so cant stay long :( god if it aint oen thing its a friggin another!!! Shoulders have been bad too maybe due to big booboids :o when l raise my right arm getting hot pins and needles in fingers and left shoulder lm waking up with a dead arm :( Im defo coming back as man complete with big balls! ;D take care all xxx
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I always feel abit like a contortionist when I go for a mammogram. It certainly doesn't do my neck much good! I do however have a friend with very small boobs who seems to find it far more painful as there is so little to squash!
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Hi niecsey,
I have been reading the posts here, and I wanted to give you some info on my sister, and my best friend regarding breast reduction. My g-friend had her surgery 3 yrs ago, at the age of 54. She is thrilled with the results, and speaks highly of both her surgeon, and the way she looks. She was so fed up with the size she was, I'm not sure of her bra size, but I know she was huge, and because of the pain her boobs caused, she wanted them completely off!! Of course her Dr.'s talked her out of that LOL.
She was bent over with the weight of them, causing her spine to curve that way as well. She also had deep indentations on her shoulders from the bra straps. Both caused her to be in constant pain. This is a women, who spared no expense for a bra. Even though she spent huge amounts of money for those supposedly correct, perfect bras....they of course, still weren't enough to fix her 'problems'. Her only answer was surgery.
She was beautiful before, and she is beautiful now. She said she recommends this surgery for every woman who needs it. She has been reduced dramatically. She told me what size she was before, and her new size, but I'm sorry I don't remember exactly what they were. I know she was in the H's, and in fact, she spoke once about a J cup size, (different make of bra I assume), and she is now a B cup. Sorry, but that's all I can remember about the size. I really just wanted you to know how fed up she was with her huge breasts, and how willing she was to get rid of them, (her words, not mine). Her advice is to research the surgeon, and find one with excellent credentials, and you are off to a beautiful new set of boobies.:) She even was in contact with other women her surgeon had worked on. The results, as far as she was concerned, are fantastic, and she wishes now, that she had done this 20 years ago.
She says now, even though her boobs are firm, and she doesn't need to wear a bra, she does, because she wants to keep them supported and perky LOL. She said she can now wear the bras she longed for before. Sexy, lacy, cheaper by the dozen, little ones lol, that she loves to show me every time she buys them. The cost of a bra now is a fraction of her bras before. She was out driving her Mustang, 6 weeks later. Her scarring is minimal, and her pain is gone, I think anyway, because she never complains about pain! She is so proud now. Before, when she was burdened with the weight, and walked hunched over, now she stands as straight and as proud as she can. I know I tend to go on and on sometimes, so sorry if I did here. I just wanted you to know of the success story, so you could use this as another pro for your decision of whether or not to have the surgery. Good luck to you.
My sister had a reduction at the age of 16. That was 36 yrs. ago now, and I know Dr.'s have improved the methods with far better results. The surgeon my sister had, unfortunately didn't do a the job surgeons do now, but my sister was still happy. All she cared about was the fact she had been in so much pain, even at the age she was, and now, even with fibromyalgia, she is still glad 'they' are gone. She has no regrets.
I hope you are feeling better too. I suffer with fibro as well, and I find that I am my own worst enemy. If I am having a GOOD day, I tend to try and get as much done as I can. This as you know is the wrong way to go about things with fibro. That just sets you up for several days of a fibro flare.
I had one Dr., a rheumy, who told me not to focus on my pain. LOL, That is the last thing I do. It catches me off guard, as you know it can do, and I try meditation, stretching exercises, even swimming, (which by the way is the best thing for it), among other things. Don't focus on my pain.....I wanted to punch her in the nose and say "Here, focus on that!! Does it hurt, just ignore it now."...what a bi**h. Another said, it was because I was depressed. I wasn't depressed before the fibro, but being in that kind of pain, where even the clothing on your back hurts you, year after year, I think anybody would be depressed. It can turn into a vicious circle of pain, depression, more pain, deeper depression, but even if the depression lifts, the pain doesn't stop.
My GP 1st diagnosed this, and he has been the absolute best every step of the way. I am so lucky to have such a Dr.. He says he has no time or patience for Dr.'s who don't recognize fibro, so they don't, or won't help their patients, try to have a pain free life. He says those Dr.'s should walk a day in our footsteps, and see how it feels to have a shower that hurts, not remember how to do the surgery he/she needs to do, because the fibro fog is so bad...and literally have their whole life turned upside down because it. Thank God he is my Dr. I don't know what I would have done without him. I do know I wouldn't have come as far as I have, and I would be dealing with the pain I had when i was 1st diagnosed.
I am by far pain free, but the difference is life saving.
OK, I'll get down now, and give somebody else a chance to give their experiences, and opinions.
Have a great day ladies. You deserve it.
Oh, I forgot! There's one last thing I wanted to mention. I stopped taking my HRT in April, and I am close to 3 months without it. I slowly weaned myself off, by gradually decreasing the amount I was taking. I have had the odd flash, both mild and severe, but compared to before the HRT, this is heaven! There is an article on this web site that says that might happen, but should get better. I am so pleased to be off the HRT. It's done it's job, and it helped me through a very hard time in my life.
The weather here is like a sauna right now. With humidity factored into it, we are experiencing temperatures in the low to mid 40 C!! Today, I drove my son to his friends house, and I was out in that for almost an hr. I didn't even have a bead of sweat on me, and I was hot!!! That was thrilling!!! ;D ;D
I was on HRT, for well over 13 years, maybe even closer to 15, and I had been on a large dose of it the past 2 years. I kept up with my cancer screening tests, I kept up with mammograms, had 2 D&C's, and yearly pap tests, etc.. All the results were good. By the way, mammograms aren't my favorite thing to do, but they only take a few minutes, and my experience with them haven't been that bad. They do squeeze the hell out of the poor things, but only for a few seconds, and then click, you're done for a few years.. The discomfort of a few minutes is well worth the peace of mind you get after.
I hope I've helped you here.
Bye for now. Take care.
(((HUGS)))
Platte
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Platte thank you for such a caring detailed post xxxx My update... l can ahve the sugery BUT l have 6 months to stop smoking l know naughty girl but lm already in the process of stopping :) lve been reading alan carr books and there great, but also in the meantime l have been referred to a breast doctor because l have lumpy boobs lm a bit worried. Fibro not too good at mo and l know what you mean about ignorant docs grrr lm only low if lm in pain happy as a pig in poo if lm ok :)
Your friend sounds like me dont matter how much l pay for bras they dont do the job and l am never comfy thanks to the spinal issues l guess and wish l had of done it years ago and enjoyed life more lm so happy for your friend x
Sorry this is short but lm playign on ebay lol thank you so much for all your post glad your hrt withdrawl has gone well xxx Take care friend xxx
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Thanks for your encouraging post Platte, and good to hear from you Niecsey.
I'm still waiting for an appointment to be assessed to see if I can get my monsters reduced on the NHS . My GP was very good, and just like your friend, Platte, my spine is curving and I have deep indentations on my shoulders from my bra straps. I'm only 5ft 3, take a 34JJ bra and my boobs reach my waist, all of which she has emphasised in my referral letter, plus the fact that I get pain in my ribs at night from the weight of them and have to pay up to £50 for a bra. I also have back trouble from my job, which is working with profoundly disabled children, and therefore quite physical.
Most of all, my boobs are UGLY! >:(
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Hi ya oldteen x good to hear from you no news yet? Ive to pack in smoking good enough reason as any but surgeon happy to see me in 6 months time :) but got breast doc to see forst too :I( My ribs hurt bad too really bad and go into spasm my soine has lost its curve at the bottom and l have wear and tear to rest of spine and both shoulders , Well good luck to you l hope you hear soon and l hope l manage to pack the cigs in the thought of tiny titties lol cant wait relief..........xxxx
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Hi Oldteen, Hi Niecsey , Hi Ladies,
I'm so glad I was able to give you both some information that was helpful, and encouraging. I spoke with my friend for you both about this again today, and she told me she had been experiencing much of the same kinds of pain, in the same areas as you have been. She couldn't say enough about the surgery, as for pro's and cons, as far as she's concerned, there are no cons. She said it was the best decision of her life, and she shouldn't have waited so long. She too was a smoker, and tried very hard to quit, and did. She is smoking now though, due to other stresses in her life not related to the reduction in any way, shape, or form. She owns her own business, need I say more? ;)
I wish you the best of luck with the quitting smoking. It is a very hard thing to do, but not impossible. Have you seen those nicotine plastic cigarrettes people use to quit smoking? They are a bit bigger than a cig, and you puff on them when you want a cig. There is no smoke or anything like that, but apparently, it helps. I'm not quite sure how though. Take a look for them if you haven't seen them before. I am mentioning it just in case you've not seen them. Every little bit helps I think when trying to quit.. My Dr. told me to try using them because apparently, people have been quite successful quitting when they've used them. He also added that if he could get me addicted to those instead of cigarettes, it would add 20 years to my life. So, I guess they are pretty good for helping to kick he habit.
There is also a medication that my Dr. suggested. It's called Camptix. I have a friend who suffered an aneurysm, and she almost didn't make it. Lucky lady I tell you!! Luckily, she beat that, but even after being in the hospital for an extended period of time, without smoking, the 1st time she got stressed, she went right back on the cigs. She knew how dangerous this was, and tried several things to stop, when she finally went to her Dr. for help, and he prescribed Champix for her.
Her exact words to me were, "If you ever decide to quit smoking, get the script for Champix from you Dr.. When I took it, the thought of nicotine didn't even enter my brain. It was the best, easiet way to quit smoking I've ever used." She has now been smoke free for over a year. Since her surgery for the aneurysm, she has suffered with other ailments, one being chronic pain. She said she takes several different meds right now, including morphine, and taking Champix had no ill affects for her.
The way this stuff works is, during the 1st week you start taking it, if you crave cigs, you can smoke. The first thing you should do though, before you start using this medication, is set a quit date for sometime during week 2, (between day 8, and day 14). Apparently, this medication affects the nicotine receptors in the brain that are thought to be most associated with nicotine addiction. It affects the receptor in 2 different ways, it acts like a weaker version of nicotine, and it blocks the nicotine from reaching the receptors. There's a little booklet that comes with the medication, that explains everything about it. It might be worth a shot for you.
Good luck to you Oldteen with your assessment. I would think, that by the way you describe your problems from your girls, you would get an automatic yes for a reduction. My friend, Sue is her name, is 5ft 3 just like you. That's big boobies for tiny people like you.
Most of all, your boobs are not ugly. They are a part of a beautiful woman, so how could they possibly be. From listening to Sue, I know why you think that, but you are beautiful just the way you are. It's your health that is in jeopardy because of them. You'll just be smaller, with perky boobs with surgery.
I wish both of you the best of luck in your quest to have this surgery, and a successful, speedy recovery after. I won't say I hope you'll be pleased with the results, because I just know you will be. I firmly believe if a woman can change a part of her body, for medical, and/or emotional needs stemming from it, they should do it.
Take care. You will be in my heart.
Bye for now.
(((HUGS)))
Platte
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Thanks Platte x you are very supportive hun x love your posts so much detail unlike me forget what lm writing about lol. I dont hate my boobs... l feel a bit guilty about it actually cos they are me if you know what l mean... l hope l can pack in too busy reading alan carr books really good going to see if l can do it with them if not then will go seek help think l would even pay a good hypnotist l really want the boobs reduced and with whats on offer you woudl think l would just be able to give up smoking lol its an addiction not a habit so guess lm prepared fro a few failures but it would be nice if l didnt fail... still got time to get it right :) Camptix heard some pretty scary stuff about that!! Guess everybodys different though so will see. Right off to sort myself out house all tidy washing on and lm bloody aching :) catch you all later take care lovlies xxx
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Yes, thank you so much Platte! :)
You'll never convince me that my boobs aren't ugly though! I hate them with a passion, and the main reason I don't check for lumps every so often like you should do is that I can't bear to look at them or touch them more than I need to.
My husband doesn't like them either, horrible great things. :'(
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aww bless ya oldteen x l dont let mine out these days lol no one touches them l cringe like l said l dont hate them as such l just feel embarrassed l guess even more so now there down south etc etc you know the score its the pain more than anythign from me and lve also lost a bit weight again and l look so wrong with these mamas they dont shrink at all only my back size does. By the way whats your name? I dont feel right calling you oldteen lol x
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Not an attractive choice of name really is it? I'm a "reverse teenager" with raging hormones, that's why I chose it. I prefer to stay anonymous, but you can call me..er, how about Robyne? I chose that name for another forum as I could see a robin in the garden at the time... ;)
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lol ok robyn lol x
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Hi GIRLS XXXX ONE HAPPY NIECSEY HERE :) just had 3 hour appointment regarding breast doctor and lm happy to say athough l have big massive boobs they are heathy! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Ive been in a right mess over this appointment with my mam dying breast cancer 7 months ago :( lve even lost weight with the worry!! I am so relieved honestly l am :) I had examination mammogram and ultra sound and what l have is healthy breast tissue the lumps are just dense breast tissue :0) l al so happy xxx Hope ya all well?? Next hyrdle to pack in smoking by xmas to have my breast reduction... l feel like crying now lol seems things are going right first in a long time!!! xxxx
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Great new Niecsey!
Keep us posted. If ever you feel the need for a fag, think about the tiny boobs you'll soon have! :)
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Thank you all xxx lol now to get motivated to stop smoking now the docs etc is over got a short hol next week so after then xxx Oldteen hows it goign for you? x
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Well, it isn't! it's been over four weeks since I was told I must wait to hear about an assessment appointment, but as I'm going on holiday at the end of this week I'll wait till I get back before phoning them.
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Oh good luck then :) not long now to little titties pmsl lol x
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hahahahahah love it aint seen that smilie before pmsl lol :boobs: love it hahahahahhaa xxx
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Fingers croosed for you to give up smoking Niecsey. And oldteen, i'm sure you'll get good news when you come home from your holiday. I was so shocked when i was "approved" for surgery three years back, never regretted it once.
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:boobs: lol lve never seen one person say they regret it not even when things have gone wrong. I will do what ever l have to to stop smoking apart from take tablets!!!! Getting myself sorted to stop for next fortnight xxx
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How's it going Niecsey?
I contacted the Health Assessment Clinic as I'd not heard anything for six weeks, and it appears that they sent a letter to my GP asking for more info, which she never received! So now they're going to start all over again. Sigh.
It's very frustrating having to wait this long after I've finally found the courage to ask for a breast reduction after dithering about it for many years. I've mentally prepared a script so I can argue my case if necessary. Meanwhile, the boobs are heading inexorably down below the level of my navel and my stoop is worsening by the day. :'(
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Hi ya teen x l dont go back till after xmas and by then l have to of stopped smoking! thats my next mission will find it hard but it has to be done otherwise l wont get done!! So giving myself another few weeks then l must stop! Sorry your having a fuss!! Always something eh? Got to go aching today and sitting at lappy dont help at all lot pain in shoulders and chest and ribs today keep in touch xx
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Did you watch The Hospital last night which was about boob jobs, mainly enhancements, but there was one breast reduction op done?
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Hello again! Niecsey, I like "Teen", so that's my name from now on. That's confused you all!
Joyce, no I didn't see that programme, but I wish there was a more publicity about the problems caused by being lumbered with big boobs. It's no fun, and those women who want to be pumped up beyond a natural and proportionate size are nuts!
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Joyce, which chanel was this program on, i've had it done, but refused to watch a program beforehand but would love it now.
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Channel 4. I didn't think I'd want to watch it, but it was quite interesting.
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Was hoping for catch up, don't think they repeat things?
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They do catch up Eddie - here is the link - hope it is in the right place http://www.channel4.com/tv-listings/daily/2010/08/09
Taz x
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Got it Taz, Thanks. Eddie
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Hi girls yes l watched it you can watch it online l would think on c hannel 4's website what they were tryign to show is that they wont do boob stuff for cosmetic reasons alone. I was surprised they did a 15 yr old girl BUT like the doc said it would mean another 3 years of her hiding away and been mentally affected. I missed the one reduction they done seen a tiny bit and l dont know whether she had problems from them and they didnt look that big to me and the surgeon could hardly remove anything think she went down a cup size??? Im sure mine cause or make the costochondritis worse :( my chest is so bad my bones thats from hoovering yesterday and washing and drying it dont take much to leave me in pain thanks to the straighteneing of the lower spine and wear and tear to it. How is everyone? x
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Just went to Bravissimo for a fitting. Though I've not gained weight my bra size has increased from 34JJ to 34K!!! Yes K!! >:(
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OMG Teen i am 34A, so can well understand your pain/discomfort :hug: x
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LOL :boobs: :boobs: :boobs: :boobs: By god lol here you never heard of boobs as big years ago did you? Must be all the additives and hormones in food!!! Any news yet? x ps think mine have shrank a bit lol
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I think that's true Niecsey, it most likely is the hormones and stuff in our food. Now though, I think I need a bigger size because the weight of them is dragging them down so they are longer, or "pendulous" as my GP says.
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You got you appointment yet? x
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Nah, still chasing round in circles. It seems they are waiting on more info from the GP but the letter was lost!
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Having boobs of 40 "FF/G" I've thought about this option - but I'm too much of a scaredy cat.
Anyone who has it done has more courage than I could muster and I know that in many instances it's a necessity.
But sadly - not for me.
Meggie
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Meggie. The brave bit is the initial decision. If you are lucky enough to have someone care for you for a week or so after you leave hospital, and you take care of yourself thereafter is not as scary as you may think. The benefits are amazing. Eddie. x
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Ive been too scared and embarrassed to ask any earlier the pains done it for me woke up one morning and thought no more caNT TAKE IT!!! Joined an online forum and see all the posts off others waiting for it and those whove had it done and photos too which you have to make a one off payment to see but the results are amazing of course the odd one will go wrong but even then the person is so much happier without the weight etc I just wish l had of seen about this 20 years ago before l started having problems!! xx
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I too have been scared for years, but with my boobs now reaching to below my waist and causing the top of my spine to curve I thought I might at least take the first steps.
I'm only 5ft 3 and have a small frame, and when I look at my body all I can see are these great ugly monstrosities hanging there. I decided that I don't want to look like that anymore. I know my husband finds them repulsive too, though he's never said so in so many words.
I don't know what I'll do if I can't get it done on the NHS. I personally don't have the money to go private and my husband won't pay.
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I think you will teen, but you need to push for it, which health board are you under? I was a 32FF/G and i got it done. I wanted it done earlier, 10+ yrs earlier but my husband at the time wouldn't help me, and my parents weren't in best health to help with my then babies. Eddie. x
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That sounds hopeful Eddie as yours were smaller than mine. (34K)
I'm in Greater London.
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I know you said your letter got lost, but what stage are you at?
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I've only seen the GP so far, who is very supportive. I'm waiting for an appointment with the Public Health team of the Primary Care Trust.
it's annoying having to wait so long before anyone will at least look at me!
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I was referred to the Breast clinic, my G.P. said he didn't think they would do anything, but the consultant took one look and said "pendulous" and offered to do breast reduction. Apparently you can have it done for psychological reasons as well as the physical pain issues. I had a lot of pain, the consultant explained it as stretched tissue (saggy boobs) which meant nerves stretching too, which caused the sharp pain and also pain when cold. Lay it on thick, you won't be making it up.
Eddie. x
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Thanks Eddie!
Yes, I do think I could emphasise the psychological aspects of it as I hate my breasts so much and can't bear to look at them or check for lumps as we should. I do think I'd feel better about myself if they weren't so huge as the rest of me's okay, apart from a little middle-aged spread. I can't wear strappy tops or dresses ( as I'm so top-heavy they're massive around the hips) and I won't show my cleavage as I don't want to draw attention to myself. Being married to a man who doesn't care for large bosoms doesn't help either!
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Hi girls when l went to see about mine there was a handful pardon the pun of criteria to meet and l met them then the application was sent off for funding which was approved l didnt even have to get them out! LOL then l went to see the plastic surgeon where l had to take my top off lol but l didnt feel embarrassed at al which surprised me after all he sees this all the time lol he had a bit feel and refferred me to the breast clinic as l have lumpy boobs and said l will be happy to see you in 6 months in that time l have to pack in smoking... went to breast clinic for mamogram and ultrasound l was terrified as my mam died of bc just before xmas pleased to say everythign came back fine l just have lots of breast tissue. So come spet lm hopefully joining the non smokers and l see the surgeon again Valentines day :) when hopefully l will get a surgery date :) I dont wear strappy tops etc either my boobs are massive for my frame too :( x
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And so it goes on...
When to see my GP for another reason and she asked me how things were progressing. "They're not," I said.
So, she looked it up, and the delay is down to her! The Powers That Be insist on certain criteria being fulfilled, but she hasn't answered their letter.
I have to be below a BMI of 30. Check.
I have to take painkillers for my discomfort. She's given me a prescription.
I have to wear a bra from a trained fitter. Check.
Here's the stumbling block: I have to have a course of physiotherapy first! I'm not happy about that at all. I feel that that is a waste of my time, and public money. Why can't someone just take a look at my curving spine and my dented shoulders?
I have a feeling I'm going to be turned down, which upsets me as my boobs will be hanging down past my hips soon. :'(
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Dont give up hun!!! Do tyhe physio it wont make any difference and if its done through your docs surgery you only get a few goes!! By way my surgeon told me he cant promise any pain will go so??????? I go to see him in Feb hopefully will get a date. Still struggling on my own to give up smoking next step is to try one of the nhs aids if that dont work l have the money here reay for hypno l am determined :) Good luck and keep me posted but DO NOT GIVE UP!!! x
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Thanks Niecsey!
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I was shocked to hear what the criteria is for this now. Teen, are you being referred to plastic surgery or breast clinic? I know that now you need to lose 500g from each side, that's actually quite alot. I only had 500 between sides, that amounted to about 5 bra sizes.
Eddie. x
http://www.aetna.com/cpb/medical/data/1_99/0017.html
This page goes on about ratios for reduction, way over my head but maybe you can understand it.
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Thanks for that Eddie. I haven't the energy to do the maths, but I reckon my boobs weigh at least 5lbs each! The problem as far as I can see is how much is breast tissue, and how much is fatty tissue? I know I am a little overweight, but my boobs were huge when I weighed a mere 8 stone. And how do they know what is fatty tissue and what is breast tissue?
I haven't been referred anywhere yet. It's gone from the GP to the Clinical Assessment Service, and they are the ones asking that all these criteria are met. It looks as if they'll only see me if I can show that painkillers and physio don't work and that I'm crippled with pain. There has been no mention of psychological issues.
Maybe the systems are different in Scotland and England.
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Hi girls when l went l seen doc and she made sure l fiulled criteria.. you have to be at least a 36e/ee. have a bmi of less than 29 l think it was, you have had to of had physio for any problems you have, asked if l got rashes or bad back or neck pain and if it affected me mentally sort of thing... and that was more or less it. Got referred to a plastic surgeon seen him he referred me to breast clinic for check up and mammogram due to lumpiness which lm pleased to say was all breast tissue now its up to me to pack in smoking within the next few months which l have to do but l have other health probs and l tend to smoke when lm in pain so l need to get that sorted out asp!!! Keep at it x
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Good luck ladies, Teen, i was referred to breast clinic because i had tried various disgusting drugs for relief from pain, the consultant there suggested reduction. Eddie. x
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Heres the Daily Mail article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1195195/The-Kush-ion-stops-breasts-going-bump-night.html
the pillow that I have is a little different its more of a pillow shape , perhaps not so suggestive !! lol but the same principle, its washed so many times I am thinking of renewing it.
ladyjane xx
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Thanks ladies xxx the things we poor women have to go through!!!! No good for me if its in the least but hard cant bear anything against my chest pressing cant even wear underwires sets me ribs and chest aching like mad :( ps the model whose using the booby seperater lol her boobs look small lol x
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Thanks for that Ladyjane.
I think my breasts are beyond help now, they've reached below my waist. :'(
The article was interesting, but the readers' comments weren't very encouraging!
I've never thought about wearing a bra in bed! I'm always glad to remove my bra at the end of the day, especially in the summer. Not sure that I will wear one in bed as I think I'd get too hot, but I might be more comfortable without my boobs flapping about I suppose, and I'd certainly look better with the hideous things covered up!
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I wear one for bed no wires just a soft support bra cos l found when l dont my chest pains etc get worse must be weight of them pulling in every direction when lm asleep lol l cant even wear an underwired bra now :( if l do its for special occasions when l dont have to wear it long l still suffer for it though x
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Hi Girls X Hows it going? Teen you getting anywhere yet? Pleased to say l am 17 days smoke free :0 l am suing patches and lm happy with myself its been tough but l really want to do it so trying so hard. Hope your all ok xxx
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Well done for the 17 days Niecsey!
I'm supposed to be referred for physiotherapy but again have heard nothing. I'm now getting tired of it all: tired of all the constant chasing up I have to do. It's been five months since I first approached my GP and nothing has happened at all. I'm on the point of giving up as from what I've learned I'm unlikely to fit the criteria anyway.I'd go private but my husband would never agree to pay for it, and I don't have enough of my own money to pay. :'(
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DONT GIVE UP!!!! you will get there it just takes time hun, chase the lot up tell the doc you cant carry on like that do what you have too ! If your suffering then you deserve the help dont let it go and live to regret it hun xxx
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Thanks for your support Niecsey. Maybe I'll pop round to the surgery tomorrow to ask what's going on re the physio, which I don't need or want, but have to go through the motions. ::)
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Niecsey. WELL DONE YOU. That's great about the weed. Keeps posting on your progress. Teen, Keep pushing for physio, you do deserve your op, keep positive.
Eddie. x
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Thanks girls x dont give up teen to me its my dream :) xxx
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I phoned the GP about my physio, as I thought I'd been forgotten again. She referred me to the hospital who said there is a two month waiting list before they even look at the doctors' referrals! My GP wrote to them in September, and they are just starting to look at September's cases now, so I may hear by the end of the year. Then it's back to the GP to convince the Health Trust that the physio didn't work, which it won't. How can physio lift up my boobs and uncurve my spine?
It would save the NHS a lot of money and time if I could just have someone look at me!
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Hi Teen x just go with the flow but keep the flow going!!! Im doing ok with the quitting smoking.. although l admit this weekend was a bit tricky in a lot of pain with fibro and spine and thats when l tended to smoke more than usual lve had a few now l need to get back on track even though lm still in a lot of pain. Im terrified come the appointment time l will find that there cancelling alot of things due to the cut backs! Cant stay for long it hurts to type will be back when l can xxx
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Oh you poor thing! Lots of love xxxx
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I feel for you niecsey the post code lottery is so unfair, I think I was very lucky, from my GPs referral to my actually operation was under eight weeks, I did opt to be on the cancellation list and I only had a few hours notice to get to the hospital but I think I prefered it that way.
You must keep phoning up to see where you are on the list and have you visited the breasthealthonline site, the girls on the UK forum are very up to scratch on all you need to know and will give you all the advise you need dealing with NHS.
ladyjane xxx
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Thanks Lady :0 l guess its my own fault for been a smoker or ex one as lm trying right now :) maybe l would of been done by now ... never mind got to be an ex smoker by Feb before l see the plastic surgeon again. Yea lm a member of the forum its really good isnt it? I paid for access to the photos too the girls are amazing .. l keep looking when l want a cig lol makes me think twice. Keeping everything
crossed lol good luck to teen she is so far behind waiting poor soul xxx
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Thanks Niecsey and Ladyjane.
After putting it off for years it's frustrating having to wait now that I've finally plucked up the courage. I first saw my GP in June and nothing has happened at all!
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Keep at it hun x wish l had of done it years ago too we are silly lol x
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Blimey! I've actually been given an appointment for the totally unnecessary physio I'm due to have. I hope I don't have to go too often as I feel like such a fraud.
THEN maybe the GP can tell the Powers That Be that it didn't work and THEN maybe someone will actually look at me!
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Yaaaaaahhhh, Finally a step in the right direction. Before i had mines done i had to take cancer treating drugs that caused me problems, when my g.p. switched to another one i just went back a month later and said they made me feel worse, i was actually too frightened to take them.
Eddie. x
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omfg why the cancer drugs? do you have rheumatoid athritis? Ive had a blip with the smoking started up last few days need to get back of asp all stress and more stress :( be back later girls good luck teen x
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Come on Niecsey, you can kick those fags! :clapping:
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:( it is hard like lm stupid got past the worst bit 3 weeks could kick myself grrrrrrrrr x
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I know niecsey, one of them was bromocriptine sp i think, i can't mind the other one, but they said on the leaflet to treat cancers? The 1st one caused vomitting and rectal bleeding.
Eddie. x
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Methotrexate is the normal cancer treating drug which can work wonders in other illnesses as well. You have to have regular blood tests and my dad used to take an anti-dote once a week but it gave him a new lease of life and though it can be frightening to see the words "for the treatment of cancer" they do work where other drugs may have failed.
Hugs to all of you waiting for ops.
Taz x
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Taz. My hubby takes Methotrexate, it's really nasty, he also takes folic acid, but the weekends are ruined by these headaches from it. He has R.A.
Eddie. x
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Eddie did you have to take it with regards to your reduction? x
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My G.P. said he couldn't refer me for reduction, so this was a last resort for the stabbing pain and reaction to colder temps. Then he referred me to breast clinic to see if they had any other suggestions? So in answer to your question it was 6 months before reduction.
Eddie. x
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Eddie what did colder temps do to you? x
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The cold caused me more pain, but mainly in the nipples, made my boobs feel rock hard and really tender nipples, the usual shooting pain was at the side so very different. Eddie. x
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awww bless ya ;( thanks for telling me l dont have that problem mine is my bones in chest when its cold or when l do anything with my arms at all goign through real bad spell right now :( fibro flare? maybe? Thanks againx
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Poor you, it is difficult sometimes to know what causes what, it just makes me remember what it was like, that's all gone now, thank goodness. Eddie. x
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Have finally got to see the physio!
I felt a bit of a fraud as I thought it wasn't necessary, but in fact she confirmed that my boobs are affecting my posture and my spine, and that my muscles are extremely tight across my shoulders and back due to my 5' 3" body trying to hold them up. I also sit in a hunched position, due to the weight of my boobs and possibly because I'm subconsciously trying to make them as inconspicuous as possible, so I slouch with my arms held forward.
So I've been given exercises to do, which so far has made my pain worse, and she gave me a massage which left me feeling really sore! She confirmed that I won't be referred to a surgeon until I've had physio and can prove that it didn't help. If it does help, that's that - stuck with 'em for life.
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Love that emoticon! Another gem from Larky! :clapping:
Well, I did go to a different GP about the pain in my ribs some years ago and he did suggest that I apply for a breast reduction, but I was scared of having an operation, mainly because my dad had died from MRSA a little while before that. Now I've finally got over that as not everyone who has an op gets MRSA, so I may take the chance now.
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Hi girls x l flunked and started smoking again fool l am :( but lm starting again tommorow got to do this got to do this even a little relief from the burden of big boobs would be wonderful! Hope your all well teen hows you? x
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Aargh! You silly girl! >:(
I've changed my name, but I'm still Teen so look for the swan! My post a couple of places up will bring you up to date. It seems that my boobs are causing more problems than even I had realised.
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Teen. I was the same with both ops i've had, because you have learned to live with the condition you don't realise on a day day basis that you are suffering, but what we do is cover up so much, so that we don't appear odd. Having pendulous boobs (as my surgeon called them) or even just bigger than you are comfortable with is both physically damaging and psychologically depressing. I went from a G cup to a D cup and he lifted my nipples up by 11cm. :o
I go to physio for back and hip pain, at the first appt she told me my posture was really good, and i was pleasantly surprised because it certainly wasn't before that op.
Where do you go after physio proves to be useless?
NIECSEY. There is no point shouting at you, but if you don't get on top of this smoking thing you won't get your op, that you've waited for and dreamed about. Were you doing it through the NHS program?
Eddie. x
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Thanks Eddie!
My boobs are most definitely pendulous. I'm 5'3" with a short trunk and they reach down to my waist, and are so ugly!
I'd love to be a G cup, to me that's small! I'm a K.
Actually, I'm hoping that the physio doesn't work, as that will strengthen my case for needing a reduction, but I am being good and doing the exercises, which do hurt a little. And how can physio unbend my spine anyway? I'll be the like the Hunchback of Notre Dame in ten years time.
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Even if she can straighten your spine, you then will need corrective surgery to maintain it? Eddie. x
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Yep l know :( starting again tommorow.. forst 3 weeks was the worst then it is pure dirty habit nothing more... not making excuses up but had a lot and have a lot to put up with at moment but lve got to do it. Going to read the posts lve missed so be back later ps my lower spine has straightened out due to the weight of boobs!! x
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My update: the physiotherapy has not helped with my pain at all, and if anything has made it worse, so she has discharged me and is writing to my GP, which will take two weeks. Why on earth does a letter take two weeks?
The physio is very supportive and agrees that I need to have a reduction, but thinks I will have to have an x-ray first. And so it goes on, and on..
I wore a tee-shirt today ( yes I know, they're the most unflattering things on earth) caught sight of myself in the mirror and could have cried. I look like a pair of boobs on legs, and they're so heavy and ugly. I'd look half the size I am without them. :'(
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Sorry it's taking so long, bornagain. :( Seems so unfair. >:( Chase up that letter with the gp in 2 weeks!
Bette x
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Hi ALL XXX Hi Teen xxx awww dont worry you will get sorted xx slipped up again withe cigs :9 got to get back into it appointment 28th Feb now so really must do it now l keep going to the breast health site looking at all the pics and god if that dont make me stop nothing will!! I DONT WANT TO CHUCK THIS CHANCE AWAY IT WONT COME AGAIN THE WAY THE NHS IS RIGHT NOW !!! Take care and dont beat yaself up were women were made to hate parts of our bodies :) xxx
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my sister is having her boobs reduced in february.
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Hi Sue. Is she looking forward to it? I had mines done a few years back now, best thing ever. Eddie. x
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Hello girls xx sorry its been a while.. havnt had any notifications! How ya all doing? I see the plastic surgeon Monday How ya all doing? Im so excited for Monday and nervous l hope he dont bin me with using NRT ????? ITS BEEN A STRUGGLE the winter has been really hard on me harder than usual due to the athritis and fibro lve been practically housebound with pain and always relied on my cig for comfort l know pathetic but true had the odd puff but yak so e cig is doing some good. Teen hows it going? Hope l get updates now lm back here xxx
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Hello Niecsey
As usual nothing is happening with me. This week I phoned the GP surgery who claimed not to have received the letter from the physio, so I phoned the hospital who said they'd fax it to them. So now I wait again!
I don't mind how long it takes as long as things are moving, but I'm so fed-up with having to chase people up. If I don't, everything grinds to a halt. I first saw the GP back in June!
Good luck for tomorrow!
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Hang in there pardon the pun, lm excited for tommorow but also nervous niot about the op about me using nicotine replacement dont knwo what he thinks about it, lm having t6houghts that with the nhs been so strapped right now they will make excuses up not to do it :( will let you know how it goes keep everything crossed for me pls xxx :boobs:
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Born have you joined that breast site yet? You pay about £9 and have access to photos its really good site all the girls are helpful and the transformations are amazing they do look tiny afterwards body wose amazing how big uns make you lookm so much larger xx
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Will be thinking of you, neicsey - let us know how it goes. :foryou: (Must admit, I was wondering what NRT was - glad you explained! ;D )
Bette x
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Niecsey, no I haven't joined yet. I might if I get the go-ahead though. As there's nothing they can do to speed things up for me I may as well wait.
Fingers crossed for you!
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There are plenty of image available if you google breast reduction. I'm excited for you too Neicsey, it's been a while since we heard from you. Eddie. x
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Hi girls xx YA HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lm on waiting list 4/5 months as long as l stay smoke free l am so happy at all the things lm going to be able to do and hopefully get rid of some pain xxxx The site l mentioned you actiually chat to the girls who are going through it there not just pictures they all share pics etc really good site. There was abit of a mix up at hospital my notes from breast doc where l had mammogram etc have gone missing and he needs them to officially put me on list! Someone elses notes where in my file!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There was a bit of a panic l can tell ya....! dont know whose they were or what they said but it set alarms off! Right will be back later just thought l would share and hopefully give a little boost to those waiting!! Have a good day xxx
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Congratulations on getting this far Niecsey - New Boobs for the Summer then ? :ola:
Time will fly by.
Meggie
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niecsey I am so so pleased for you, and anything you want to know and for support please PM me, after all I did go through it twice :o :o
You will feel exhilarated and nervous all at the same time.
Plastic surgeons say they have the most job satifaction from this op as it is so uplifting (pardon the pun) seeing how thrilled most women are with the results and how it changes their lives.
silverlady xxx
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Great news! Definitely worth giving up smoking for! :congrats:
Bette x
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:boobs: :boobs: :boobs: :boobs: :boobs: thanks girls lol excuse me typos lol too excited and typing fast lol :) l have to see him in a month when he traces me notes up he was very apologetic.. l wish l had of done this in my 20's could kick meself for waiting this late on grrr and l havnt even had it done yet lol it seems real now he cant see there been any probs to having it done... l was awarded the funding a week after applying had the breast check ups it was my stupid smoking how lve had to wait! That is hard packing in lol....... lm on e cig at moment and that was fine with him :0 he says he hasnt had a patient loose a nipple yet which si brillaint so l better not spoil it had aye by smoking again!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks girls lm buzzing xxx
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Ps l do feel a bit sorry/sad for me old boobies after all there part of me even if they have hindered me bless them lol x
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WOOHOO! Great news Niecsey!
Don't be sad to see 'em go. I wouldn't be, nor do I care two hoots about scars or if I lose my nipples. They're no use to me now I'm past child-bearing age!
What an incentive to keep off the fags too! :foryou:
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Thank you xxx l dont care about scars either l have enough of them already lol throat.. hysterectomy.. other various scars burns etc stretch marks whats a few more hardly like lm strip material these days lol might feel like it with the perky boobs l should of owned lol :) l just woke up one morning with these massive things when l was about 13 LOL :boobs: part of me does feel sad that lm doing it after all we are what we are for what we are if that makes sense.. BUT these have had an impact on my life and l am so excited at the thought of not buying clothes cos they fit over my boobs etc etc and the thought of going swimming again :) and not wondering where my nipples are pointing when its cold LOL and the thought of less pain :) lm so happy havnt felt like this for a long time funny l never felt this when l heard l had to have a hyster LOL. Dont give up......... keep onto them cos they do forget!!!!!!!!! xxxx thank you xxx
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Great news Neicsey, I'm sure it will fly by, just plan a date when it should be over and allow some time for initial healing, it is exciting so enjoy this burst of energy. Silverlady, i didn't know you've been through this, did you have it done again because they grew back? Eddie. x
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eee just thought 5 months time will be my birthday what a prezzie :) Thanks Eddie xxx
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Eddie mine grew after my hysterectomy up until then I was about a 34b/c but as I was very small everywhere else they seemed bigger, anyway after the hyst they grew to 36f, which just looked too much for my frame and very uncomfortable, when I finally saw the PS he said to me well you have very nice breasts and I replied well if I was six foot tall but I am under five foot, and he then did agree then that I was not in proportion, I also had rib that kept popping out and was very painful, since the op that has not happened and the grooves on my shoulders have gone. Also I had one breast slightly bigger then the other one and that is a criteria on the NHS for the op.
My first op went went well but it left me still too big, I made sure it was put on my notes on my first post op that had been left too big also I did point out that it looked as if two surgeons had worked on my breasts as the scarring and cuts were so different ( I have since seen a private PS who agreed and said he would have not been too please if that had been his work, and that he could sort it out but honestly it does not bother me)
Anyway I saw a different NHS PS who said he would do revision for me and he brought me down to a perfect 36a/b they are firm and perky still after three years and no way could I hold a pencil under then. The sense of freedom and lightness is unbelievable. I did have some complications after the second op and I took longer to heal but the practice nurses at my surgery were a fantastic support.
You are going to be delighted and I am sure the girls on your forum will be going through it all with you and be there for you. Each of us has a different recovery but noone ever regrets having it done.
silverlady xx
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Well done Silver lady x so happy for you. Can l ask did you have to stop your hrt if you take it before the op? x
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Niecsey I didn't have to as I was only on a very low dose patch, but is up to your surgeon and you should check with him. I had asked to be put on the cancellation list and I only had a few hours notice, they rang me in the morning and asked if I could be at the hospital by two in the afternoon for my pre med, I stayed the night and had the op the next morning first thing.
I would check if you have to stop taking certain vitamins too, you can ask all these questions at your pre med.
silverlady x
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Thanks :) just jumping gun abit lol. I thoguht when we had hysters we had to take a strong dose of hrt to make up for what were missing? Or is that an age related thing ? Im not been cheeky lol x
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I only had a partial hyst, I kept ovaries and cervix, I only use the patch for bone health ect. I had very slight bleeding each month, sometimes just a spot and went through a cycle for the next few years, even now I can sometimes feel when I would be due on, women can experience this up until they are at least seventy.
It is different if you have had a full hyst, so you you will be advised on what to do.
silverlady xx
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Ok thanks :) lm just thinking back and lm sure he asked me if l get sore breasts... l wonder why... l dont usually but l wonder if he meant sore as in hormonal or sore from the weight of them? Im going to do everyones heads in now until l get them done lol x
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Well, I've finally had my answer. I satisfy all the criteria except for my BMI. It should be 27 minimum, but it was 29 the last time the doctor weighed me.
So I've got to try even harder to lose weight, and then the doctor can refer me again.
I've been sent details of how I can join a Rosemary Conley class at a reduced fee, if I lived in the neighbouring borough....I live on the border of two boroughs, which always causes confusion! I've also been sent details of how to join a gym at a reduced fee, if I lived in the neighbouring borough...
As it is, I walk everywhere, and two or three times a week walk two miles to the leisure centre, swim twenty lengths and walk home again. No point in joining a gym as I know I won't go!
The thought of calorie-counting and coping with hunger does not fill me with joy..I've been battling my weight for years. :'(
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Bornagain, The problem i had about weightloss was the same, but after i had my op and couldn't eat solids i started to realise how much i was used to eating. Maybe the only way to do it is cutting down on food, but it has to be significant, swap sugary things for longer lasting foods and cutting meals sizes right down, less bread. This is important, you know how much you want it. Alcohol was the biggest waste of calories for me, i would happily have a bottle of beer or two every night, just like most peoples glass of wine?
Eddie. x
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Yea xx glad for ya and you can do it hun x its not easy still having smoking issues! ( l know if l wasnt in pain it would be easier!) you can do it hun x Ps by the way the bmi rule here is no higher than 29!
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:congrats: on getting to the next stage, Bornagain. The annoying thing is that your weight will probably be fine once you've had the op! ::)
I think Eddie is right, unfortunately the only way to do it is to eat less. My friend has great success with WW - actually enjoys it as she can choose what she wants to eat and when - sometimes is extra "good" one day so she can enjoy a treat the next (like when she's eating out.) I think it can be a real effort to count the points to start with but she says they have good recipes and menu ideas and even sell snacks and treats which are "point counted" to make it easier.
You can do it - think how great you'll feel after the op!
Bette x
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Thanks for all your words of encouragement girls!
Now, why on earth should the BMI limit be different in another area? That's the NHS for you I suppose!
Your advice is sound, and I do realise that I need to lose about two stone, but Bette is right, if I had the "op" I'd probably go down about eight pounds in one go!
I'm trying to think what I can cut down on. I very rarely drink, and have been having low-fat everything for years. Now my periods have stopped I don't have chocolate or carb cravings any more, so that's a bonus. I don't eat much bread, so all I can do is reduce my portion sizes and ignore my (slim) husband who tells me off for not clearing my plate.
It's coping with the tiredness and headaches brought on by hunger that I find the most difficult, and I have a fairly active job where you have to be alert.
Someone recommended using "Alli" but isn't that kind of stuff just a laxative and diuretic?
As for exercise, I'll just have to try to walk and swim more!
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I think it's really hard to know what is "fattening" and what isn't. I was surprised to see that a yoghurt had many more calories than my favourite crisps! :o That's where I think something like WW can help - takes away the guesswork. My friend has lost lots on it and still eats far more than I do. She really enjoys her food - for her it's about discipline, I think. :-\
Bette x
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Weight Watchers are very good, My sons partner joined a few months ago, and she has done really well,
she's lost a noticeable amount of weight...and like Bette says she always seems to be eating, and she eats chocolate! :-\
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Yep ww is brill if you stick with it worth it to get your op hun x
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LOL LARKY ME too but me own fault cos l was naughty all the time lol x
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Well done to those who have successfully used WW. Unfortunately I lost pounds with them, but only from my purse. ::)
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I'll try that Larky. The other trick is to eat slowly, if your food doesn't get too cold!
I have a friend who drives everywhere, walks very slowly and takes no exercise, so it goes without saying that she is slim. What I've noticed is that she eats very slowly, and she tells me that she feels full up quickly. I'll try and follow her example, but I can't walk slowly, just can't! I talk rapidly too. Should be as thin as a rake! >:(
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Yes I've heard that too Larky, and I did try slowing my eating down and lost a few pounds. That was last year but I've since had a relapse!
I must try it again. I have observed that people who are naturally slim do eat very slowly, and therefore consume less.
Interesting thing I read somewhere about MacDonald's. Someone made the comment that the British and Americans don't like food, they just like eating. . The same applies to fat people too I guess. ( Not that I consider myself to be fat, of course... ;) )
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Hey guess what? After attending the gym twice a week for 6 weeks I've lost a few centimetres off my arms , legs, waist, hips and... and... FIVE CENTIMETRES OFF MY BUST!!! ALL WITHOUT STARVING MYSELF!!! :cancan:
I'll get into a D cup yet!
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Hello all sorry l havnt been on, hows it going? You any further forward? I go 18th July and lm struggling with the fags like mad l know it will make a lot of differennce once he says thats you on the list so tryign my best till then. Ive always relied on my cigs there like a comforter when lm in pain and l am alot lately , lm smoking no where near what l used to but l have to stop, well done on weight loss and inch loss keep in touch x
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Hey long time no see you lot :) I did get my op at the end of december :) hows it goign Batty? x
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Smoke and drink they are like the Gestapo
People had operations before this hysterical madness started
They lived they werent dying in 1000s in operating rooms
Smokes bad so id Drink fast food being fAT Diabetic the list is endless
Hitler would love to see all this rubbish this is what he wanted
What next if your over 45 or your not black or white or you have a genetic disorder
Doctors should not be moralising
As a nurse I never knew a Doctor who didnt drink and I didnt know a nurse who didnt smoke
Sorry this is my bug bear rules knowone has the right to tell us what we MUST do
So knowone got operated on in the 40&50s when GPS advised SMOKE for ENGLAND to stop you eating
You can actually find leaflets that say that and Doctors did know smoking wasnt good for you even back then
Theres one leaflet I saw it was 1947 I think crops in England had failed and food was short even more so
IT said in BOLD LETTERS SMOKE FOR ENGLAND save your rations!
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Hi niecsey
Good to hear from you again. :foryou:
Bette x
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WOW LOL l did pack in for a little while even paid £120 to see a hypno.... it didnt work...... l felt horrendous when l stopped even with the replacement stuff.... going to try again in my own way and time no good someone telling you you have to stop it doesnt work like that as l know, luckily l healed without any problems what so ever and am happy with my boobs for the first time since they appeared Hope all is well xxx
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Hi :) x didnt realize l hadnt been on here for so long lol might be cos lve had no notifications to any posts good to be back though xxx
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Tell us more Niecsey! How long did you take to heal, and what size were you, and are now? Has it made a big difference to you?
I've spent a year trying to lose a measly stone to bring my BMI down for me to be considered for the op. By going to the gym I've lost inches, but the scales have hardly moved because muscle is heavier than fat and I've built up some muscle. This whole BMI business is nonsense. My arms ( always my best and slimmest feature) have become very thin now.
I'm now considering trying to go private, as I'm thinking they'll be less picky about a few excess pounds, most of which is on my boobs anyway! My friend said I look size twelve from the back, and twenty from the front.
The major obstacle is my husband. He's happy for me to have it done for free, but won't countenance paying £5000 or whatever is, though we can afford it. :(
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I haven't had time to read the whole thread but last week I was clearing out my undies draw and found one of my bras before I put on weight over the last 10 years. It was a lovely little 32A, I mean little - looked like a childs bra, was I really that small once? Blooming things just keep growing as you get older! I'd love to have mine reduced and neatened up. I'm sure they are making bras smaller these days but putting bigger labels on them lol!
Reminds me of a girl I was at school with, she was very slim, not tall but had really big boobs, they did look painful to carry around. I remember her having a reduction op but unfortunately I guess because we were still teens they started growing back again, I hope she managed to get them sorted at some point.
I can never see why people want them enlarged!
Good luck and hope you can get your ops.
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Yehhhh, Well done Neicey. I know it is the best thing i've ever done, no regrets still and that's nearly 6 years ago. Do you feel more in proportion?
Eddie. x
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I came on MM for the first time in ages because I am seriously considering a reduction. I have always had big breasts and was always slim even after my first 2 children. However since the menopause (early) for which I am on HRT they have just got bigger and bigger. I look ridiculous in anything. My shoulders are forever aching. My husband likes them big but he liked them before they got this big so he shouldn't bother too much. It's making me mentally unhappy more than anything. Reading this thread has helped me a lot. Thanks.
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I am only a 34dd, but have been thinking about a reduction or uplift for years. I used to love my boobs, but now I am 51 they sag and droop, with no shape or tone at all. Reminds me of the old golden girls sketch...where Blanche says I am off to have a quick bath, with just enough water to cover my perky nipples, and Betty says, you're only gonna sit in two inches of water??? Lol. I am terrified of the op though, as I don't do anaesthetics well and I have a heart condition...scared of exiting early due to vanity! But I am so fed up with the massive bras and bra strap shoulder marks...I feel like I have a shelf in front and so matronly. I have lost weight and am five five and ten stone..but still these massive boobs.
Can anyone tell me with an uplift....do you have an implant at the same time, or do you just have smaller, 'emptier' breasts? Mine are like two flat spaniels ears, and I get the feeling if they were reduced, they would just be two SMALL, flat, spaniels ears.
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Mine are 34GG these days. Huge dents in my shoulders and I really do wonder if they are the cause of my upper back pain. However, would be reluctant to reduce them. I'm not into plastic surgery at all or any unnecessary surgery. I thought they would shrink when I lost weight, but only my back size has shrunk.