Menopause Matters Forum
General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: margaret on January 21, 2018, 12:06:11 AM
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Hi I've noticed in the past few months when I have my hair dyed it isn't taking the colour like it used to, has anyone got any ideas on why this could be happening x
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I've not noticed any changes with having my highlights.
A hairdresser is probably the one to ask, you might find one pops a long to advise you here :)
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Hi Margaret do you mean it's not keeping its colour or is it not giving good coverage over grey,there's numerous reasons for this to happen.is it box dye or salon your using.x
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Hi Daisydot, I've been going to the same salon for years and it's happened about 3 times in the past year, it doesn't take to the grey, my hairdresser thought it might have been the shampoo I was using causing a barrier on my hair, but I've used it for years with no problems before .x
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Daisy dot do you just have the roots done or a full head, and is it a permanent colour or semi ?
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Hi I have a full head colour and it's permanent, the colour goes onto the grey roots first then the rest in put on about 15 minutes later
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Sorry I meant to say margaret. What colour are you now, ie the end result. Grey hair is very resistant and your own hair colour might be changing, therefore your hairdresser might need to change the colour or brand to adjust accordingly.
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Grey does not take up colour in the same way as our original colour. Due to the type of hair. Have a chat with the hairdresser? I now longer have my coloured, the grey gets taken out with regular cutting but as I rarely look in the mirror ;)
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Hi Margaret there are excellent products on the market now that will more than cover and sustain the coverage on grey hair,for example goldwell products these are only used in salons.sometimes if your not using a specialist colour maintenance regime in the after care you can strip your hair very easily,for example any shampoos like head and shoulders for instance which contain coal tar will strip your hair colour so you must use the relevant after colour care products,realistically if your hair is more than 50% grey coverage you need to have it touched up every 6 weeks its not necessary to have a full head cover done every time if it's only roots.Talk to your hairdresser and maybe look around askin* the salons which products they use for grey coverage they are not all the same.good luck xx
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Good advise from daisydot who I expect is a hairdresser or ex hairdresser like me.....Would help us to know what type of hair you have and what percentage of Grey you have ( does it have much white in it). Plus what colour are you now?
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Retired Ellie ::) ;D xx
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Hi my hair is dark brown, I cover the grey roots every 4 weeks, my hair is lovely and shiny and in good condition, my hairdresser gave me some Wella shampoo to use, I've been using Tressemme shampoo for years
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Looks like you just have fantastic regrowth rate then Margaret it's impossble to advise you with out seeing your hair I'm afraid so that's the only assumption I can make,I personally have a great regrowth rate too rather than the expected thinning hair loss that most ladies have with the menopause and like you myâ€silverâ€streaks lol come through pretty quickly so I coiour my hair every 5 weeks I have long blonde hair.all I can suggest is be guided by your hairdresser it may just be something you have to accept (or not)I've no intention of growing old gracefully I'll hit the bottle every opportunity I get ;D ;D sorry I couldn't be more helpful.xx
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Tresseme dried my hair out instantly. Used it twice when it was first released to the open market and gave up.
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Just like daisydot I also am blonde and 'hit' the bottle ;D.....but it's easier for us because we are lifting colour from our hair.....if you are grey and going darker, you are adding colour and that will fade......especially if your own grey hair is getting lighter ( more white hairs) . Is that making sense?
Maybe it just needs a different make of tint.....
I also don't believe in going grey gracefully :o
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I'm also dark brown and very grey in the last year or so it comes back so quickly after dyeing. My new hairdresser told me to go a lighter colour and only dye the top (I presume she means roots?) and not my whole head of hair.
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Not quite sure what she means either about just colouring the top, you will have to ask her. But as we get older our skin colouring alters, so dark hair can look harsh and doesn't match our skin....A lighter shade and maybe some gentle highlights can look really nice, also the regroth doesn't show so much...
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What is the best product to use at home to cover a fair amount of grey please? I currently need to recolour every 2-3 weeks due to fast growth (according to hairdresser) which was costing me a fortune, and I'm having real trouble finding a decent hairdresser so currently have to diy. The last hairdresser made me look so awful that close friends actually asked where I'd had it done so they could avoid them, and others just said I looked ill!
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I have blonde highlights which are great because they slowly grow out and you don't get dark roots. I have the most blonde one you can get without poroxide. Also it is applied with a plastic hood so chemicals do not touch the skin.
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Getting old.........What colour is your own hair ? Is it salt and pepper? ( more white hair than dark, or more dark hair than white).......Also what colour when you have coloured it? It sounds like your own hair is light grey and you are putting a dark colour on.....This would be why your roots show through so quickly. Also are you using a semi permanent or permanent colour on it?
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Getting old you should go back to whoever made a mess of your hair and suggest they put it right no hairdresser with a bit of pride in her/his work wants an unhappy client,we are not infallible and if you were my client I would want to see your hair so I could see what was going in such a short time,your hair is obviously not taking the product as well as it might be so please be careful with your diy box kits I assume,I hope your doing the test patches as instructed before using.are you also using the correct colour care shamooos/conditioners as the wrong ones can strip the colour very quickly.
Go back to your salon or if unhappy try another salon who maybe use better quality products.good luck x
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Thanks all for the advice. The bad salon experience happened around a year ago, and it was the actual colour, a sort of weird mousy brown, which was the problem, although the condition of my hair deteriorated too. I really wasn't that impressed by the hairdresser so decided to just not go back.
Prior to that I was using a different salon until the hairdresser moved away, however I was going every 3 weeks and the hairdresser told me that it was because my hair grew really fast, and she had another client who was having to do the same. I'm now wondering if it was the product she was using, or maybe the colour was wrong :-\ She also used to do all of my hair, so the roots were mid brown but the rest of my hair got darker because of the amount of colour she put on!
My hair used to be mid brown and is now light grey, so I'm using a mid brown dye, which is the same colour as the first hairdresser but I think I need to go for a light brown or dark blonde so will need to find another hairdresser, and it's not something I look forward to.
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She also used to do all of my hair, so the roots were mid brown but the rest of my hair got darker because of the amount of colour she put on!
This is what I meant! That's what my hairdresser told me to stop colouring all of my hair as the hair was then different colours.
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Yeah, she should have been doing just the roots but she used to do the whole head and I didn't realise that it was causing a problem.
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Getting old, did your hairdresser put the colour on the roots and then leave to process and just comb the colour through for the last few minutes.....or.....put the colour on all your hair straight away?
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She started with the roots then did the rest of the hair, but there wasn't a gap. The second hairdresser did the same, but when I've done it myself I've done the roots then waited 15 minutes then done the rest of the hair and left it 5 minutes before washing it off.
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That sounds totally wrong to me....You haven't said if the colour that your hairdresser was using was a semi permanent or permanent colour. But I am assuming it would be a permanent tint. A permanent tint won't wash out, but it will fade, and that's why it will need to be put through the end of your hair, and that's usually for about five mins once your roots have taken. That way your hair should end up a nice even colour.........Difficult to say for sure what's going wrong because we don't know what product your hairdresser used........
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Sorry, I missed that bit out. Yes it was a permanent colour, as she said that a semi-permanent wouldn't cover the grey!.
I think the salon used Redken products as I remember seeing a lot of adverts when I was there.
The new place also used some sort of special product on my hair before colouring it, and I'm sure that was what made it go all dry as my hair isn't used to lots of products. I use hair dye but I never use hairspray, mousse, etc.
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Getting old, I cannot really recommend any home use products but there are plenty to choose from. I would say....make sure it's one that says it will cover grey hair, and maybe choose a colour slightly lighter.. There is usually a telephone number on the box, you could call and ask their advise on their colours.
Can I just ask, how are you putting it on yourself? It's not easy to do your own roots without overlapping....Also it sounds like it's not being left on lithe roots long enough, but put through the ends too soon....
Sorry if I am not being a lot of help, but it's difficult without actually seeing your hair......
Please don't forget to do a colour test before you use any new product, and if you go to the hairdresser make sure they do too....it's very important.
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As hairdressers current or retired we tend to go to wholesalers and buy the products we need to colour our hair by making up the correct amounts of each product and applying we rarely would if ever use a box dye.we are in exactly the same position as any other consumer and it's trial and error to find a hairdresser that keeps us happy too.we are probabaly more critical of out own profession than public would be.
In my case I tend to go to Toni and guy salons as their staff either specialise in cutting OR colour and are usually excellent.like all things in life you get what you pay for and they are very expensive in my book but I'm happy with cut/colour and as they say on tv “because I'm worth it†😂😂
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I agree with Daisydot. I would never attempt a home colour. I know someone who had to make a emergency appointment with a hairdresser after the home dye she used turned her hair orange.
Not a good look. ::)
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I agree daisydot. But not everyone can afford to go to top class hairdressers.. Having said that, all hairdressers should know how to apply a tint properly.
Unfortunately nowadays anyone can open up a hairdressers shop and call themselves a hairdresser.
I expect like me you had about five years training before you were fully qualified.
I have a friend who went to a well known salon last week to have her hair coloured....she had a bad reaction to the colour....why?.....they hadn't done a skin test.....Basic training!
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Yes but think about it Ellie if your spending your hard earned cash going somewhere every 3 or 4 weeks and paying out because they're not doing their jobs properly or using crap products on the hair then I'd pay out every time for a top class hairdresser because you'll end up spending that but be unhappy with the results wouldn't you.there are excellent small salons out there but it's finding one that knows what their doing and who keep up to date with their skill set and products.I get my hair coloured 3 shades highlights now and cut and finish every 8 to 10 weeks so that speaks volumes for the quality of products and skills there doesn't it.costs around £130-150 depending on days/stylists I use.shop around ladies you will find a good all rounder but I know it's difficult.meantime complain and get the offending salon to put right.xx
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Hi Ellie or Daisydot, if my hair won't take the dye how could I go grey from dark brown without it looking terrible in the process, would it be possible, I'm so upset that my hair won't take the colour, I've always gone to a salon and looked after my hair, could it have anything to do with hormones or am I clutching at straws x
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You don't have to go grey Margaret if you don't want to as Ellie has advised previously why not go and have a few different shades of highlights done,using foil rather than cap is best it lets us get very close to the roots and any silver hair tends to blend in really nicely.
I don't think it's all down to hormones but we are not trained in menopausal / /issues hormonal issues,likewise our gps are not too clued up lol.
Even if you pay to go to one of the reputable salons in the first instance then you will gage a better response (maybe to better quality products )at least then you'd know wouldn't you.good luck x
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Margaret, are you asking if you could have the brown dye removed from your hair?
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Ellie, I think Margaret means how would she go about letting her hair go grey naturally? I've coloured mine for years but now the grey comes back so quickly I feel like I would be permanently colouring it and I don't feel it has done my hair much good. I have been tempted to let mine go grey but it's the comments I get from friends and family putting me off complaining my grey is showing and telling me to colour it!
One hairdresser did advise going blonde but I have been dark all my life, I just can't imagine being a blonde!
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I know what you are saying about home colouring, and if I had the option I would go to a salon, but have to say I'm nervous after previous experiences, and also because these days there doesn't seem to be much regulation.
I always do the skin and strand tests before using anything, however thinking back neither hairdresser I went to did. Before going to them I'd never used a home dye so didn't know it was required.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with usung a box dye as long as you follow the advice given and do a patch test as instructed.millions of these kits are sold every year and lots of customers are very happy with the results.As trained hairdressers we are taught how to make up our own colours and therefore by buying wholesale we can do it at a fraction of the price.If I went to a hairdresser who didn't offer me a patch test before my first appointment at that salon alarm bells would ring and I would not be using their services.
I'm lazy now and prefer someone else does my colour as and when I can afford it like everyone else.I hope you can resolve your particular queries all we can do is give you a few ideas but without knowing you as a regular client wouldn't be able to help much more than that.good luck xx
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Just to say I don't think you necessarily have to pay hundreds for a good hairdresser. Both of the ones I used / tried were definitely in the expensive range and obviously didn't have a clue what they were doing. It's all about finding someone who, as you say, takes pride in their work and keeps their skill set up to date. Sadly that person can be hard to find.
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Friends recommendations are always good, and look for reviews of your chosen salon on the Internet.
Perhaps have a trim at the salon and get to have a good talk with the stylists. Tell them your problems and worries. Ask to speak to the top colourist and get an idea of the price.....
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Hope you don't mind if I jump on your thread.
I'm/used to be very dark brown.... and have been dying my hair to cover the greys for a few years. I do the roots and only comb it through the rest just before I wash it off. I feel as though it's now too dark for me.... I don't know whether to try and be brave and let the grey do it's own thing... or try a lighter shade of brown... it seems to be showing through patchy as well as roots regrowth. I have long hair so getting the coloured hair cut out is not an option. I'm currently between hairdressers as mine left and I've just not found anyone else I feel safe with.
Friends and family offer mixed advice about the colour.... my daughter suggested a hair stripper... but I couldn't deal with the risk of turning orange(Orange is lovely but it's just not for me). Any advice will be welcomed.
Thanks ladies.xx
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As we get older very dark hair doesn't suit many women. The advice I received from a hairdresser was to go lighter.
I dyed my hair for about 25 years and then suddenly decided it was just to much trouble and so went grey my hair is now lots of different shades of grey and at the sides it is completely white but everyone says it's lovely but I do have very short hair which I think makes a differencei if you have grey hair.
I did say to DH when we were away in January that perhaps I should dye it again but he said no it suited me although he did say it took him a while to get use to it ;D .
Lanzalover
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Nothing wrong with grey hair. At 61 I still have only a few grey hairs in my mid brown hair with blonde highlights. However I am not afraid of going grey and think grey and white hair can look wonderful. The trick I think is a really good hair cut.
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Yes your right Shadyglade the trick is a really good haircut.
Lanzalover
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Well it's me again, had my hair colour redone again last week and within 5 washes it's all washed out again, it must have been doing it for at least 3 month as when I lift my hair up I can see the line in the middle of my hair where it used to dye lovely but now it just won't take to the re-growth, I think because my layers are longer it seems to be jumping out at me, what am I going to do, it's got me so down in the dumps, I want to go grey but am so scared of growing it out from dark brown x
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Margaret are you still going to the same hairdresser? Try to stop worrying , I am certain you have a problem that can be fixed.......with the right hairdresser.
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Hi Ellie, yes she's done my hair for years, I feel so shallow complaining about my hair, when people have worse things to contend with. It's just when people keep asking what's going on with your hair that's knocking my confidence a bit, it's always been my pride and joy x
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Margaret I don't think you are being shallow at all. You take pride in your appearance and there is nothing wrong with that......I would imagine over the years you have become good friends with your hairdresser and don't want to hurt her feelings?....and she probably cuts and styles your hair just the way you like it?....
Can I make a suggestion? Why not visit another hairdresser. Go to a shop that you think might be a bit too expensive to visit all the time. Explain exactly what problems you are having ( no need to mention any names) . Tell them what colour you want to be and ask for their advise.....and the cost.
If you decide to have them do it, and you are happy.......their is nothing to stop you going back to your own hairdresser for trims etc. Simply tell her why you had the colour elsewhere. If she isn't up to scratch with all the latest techniques she will understand and just be grateful she still has you as a customer....
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Thank you Ellie xxx
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Just watching Maureen Lipman, on the One Show, and her grey hair is wonderful.
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I was just thinking that x
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Go for it Margaret !
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Hi Margaret,
Has your hairdresser changed the products that she uses?
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Hi Shellbe, she's always used Wella, I think it's my hair it's just decided to take the ghee, I've been colouring it for 14 years with no problems, maybe the texture of my hair has changed, I'm post menopause 58 now, had everything else with the menopause it could have effected my hair to. xx