Menopause Matters Forum
General Discussion => This 'n' That => Topic started by: Sooby on August 30, 2017, 04:08:51 PM
-
Someone I know got married this weekend after some soul searching, much deliberation and I dare say a little doubt.
An independent, successful, mature lady with children in their late teens who was already co-habiting.
It got me thinking about why mature women get married, and why men do too for that matter? Is it financial security or a second flush of romantic optimism?
Reading your posts it seems that so many of us are set in our ways and happy with who we are so I wondered...are we ever too long in the tooth to totter up the isle?
-
I married because I fell in love with, continued to love the man I was/am with. Had we had the option of not walking up the aisle and using the money towards a property we would have done so. But it wasn't 'done' in those days ::). One of his female relatives took me to one side to say "I'm so pleased that you didn't live together like the modern couples do" :D - if only she had known.
I wouldn't marry again. I don't know that I would share a house :-\ - we've been married over 40 years by now ........ set in my ways. Anxiety would probably keep me at arms' length?
I don't think it's ever too late! It really is a personal choice. Maybe some haven't experienced the whole bells and whistles, veils and flowers 1st time round for various reasons.
I do think that younger people are spending too much on 'weddings' then complaining that they are unable to get onto the housing ladder ;-) - why not have a nice quiet wedding now and then say, after 25 years, go the whole hog!
-
Thanks CLKD,
it's interesting that you feel you wouldn't have married if you didn't feel social obligation or moral pressure.
I don't and have never felt obliged to marry for those reasons but I am still drawn to the idea of marrying for love. Marriage as a public declaration, a promise spoken aloud.
Do you think thats just a load of sentimental old hooey?
-
Interesting. I got married in 1980. It's a long story, but to cut it short, I thought a happy marriage and children wouldn't happen for me and I was all set to make my life happy as a single lady. Then along came DH. It took him a while to convince me to marry him, which I did because I wanted him in my life and thought him worth the risk! We had to marry as he was a policeman and you couldn't 'live in sin' in those days. He had to get permission to marry me from the chief constable! Yep, police checks and all that! Also my parents are religious, but the wedding was taken out of my hands. Not the best day of my life, until we went off alone in the evening.
Would I have got married today? Possibly not. I appreciate the commitment DH made to me. Somehow it made me feel more secure, which is daft considering how many couples get divorced.
My son had to get married just to be able to stay with his girlfriend, as she is American. He was not ready for such a commitment, but it was that or being parted. But he says he is glad he has and doesn't have to make that decision.
My daughter has been with her partner for 15 years. She can't see the point of getting married, having been bridesmaid to 3 friends who have all divorced since. She's very happy with her partner. They are committed to each other and have a child.
I know so many people who have got divorced. My DD once said to me that she and her brother were in a small minority. Not only were her parents still married, but were happily so.
I think why our relationship works, apart from the fact we love, respect and trust each other, is that we are not together to complete each other. We are survivors on our own, but life is better together. I can't imagine having a relationship, let alone marrying anyone else.
-
Nope. Most cultures recognise all parts of Life: Birth, Marriage and Death - The Chief Rabbi gave her 'thought for today' on Radio2 at 9.15 this morning and said quite rightly that we don't see death in the modern age. That we should learn to mourn and maybe begin new ceremonies.
Whereas weddings have continued in similar ways as they are more 'out there'. Thinking of many different cultures, weddings can go on for days ::) ..... some are self chosen for each other, others have partners picked for them ....... Weddings have always been a declaration in front of friends and family. Even those arranged throughout Royal history, the ceremonies were in front of courtiers and lookers-on. Pomp in extreme.
Weddings have to be witnessed even if by strangers in the case of a Register Office because the Registrar is present in the Office.
I *fell* literally. Having been in love from the age of 11 to a chap who ditched me at age 13 :o :'( I knew what it was to be in love as well as loved. My man also swept me off my feet ........ :-* :D. I had the veil, long dress, flowers, brides-maids ...... cake ....... then we went away. Right away ;D
I love to see a frothy wedding ;D ......... Christenings or Dedications aren't given quite the same 'fuss'. In fact, my sister was Christened in a private ceremony with a few family members present.
-
..............................................I *fell* literally. Having been in love from the age of 11 to a chap who ditched me at age 13 :o :'( I knew what it was to be in love as well as loved. My man also swept me off my feet ........ :-* :D. I had the veil, long dress, flowers, brides-maids ...... cake ....... then we went away. Right away ;D .........................
Oh, CLKD, I fell in love when I was 11, too - I just didn't know it, although my eleven-year-old brain registered his presence, in some abstract way. Ten years later, I started going out with this person and we've now been married for 34 years! :-*
-
I'm getting married in just over 2 weeks !
Just me and him and we'll meet the witnesses when we get there.
Why am I ? I'm nearly 51, divorced at 36 after 17 years and said I'd never remarry. Had a disastrous 7 yr relationship after that with a man I constantly refused to marry.
Then I met the guy I'd known all my life. I offered him friendship only then 2 days later told him I never want him out of my life, fortunately he thought the same and we've been together nearly 8 years. He's my bestest friend forever and my rock. He was the one mentioning marriage a few times and couple of years ago whilst away for my birthday he took me to a jewellers to buy an engagement ring, then last year he took me abroad for my 50th and said about planning a wedding. We don't need a fuss, our kids are all adults but we don't have any parents alive so want to do this alone. I want to be with him forever and make it official x
-
Thanks Juju,
I do understand the commitment thing that you refer to and yet you are right that for many it dosent save them from the divorce courts. I don't break my promises so for me a marriage is a greater commitment than cohabiting as the promise makes it for life while the co-habiting makes it for the moment.
I think its possible to have a relationship that embodies all the great bits of a marriage without getting wed and equally I think that a wedding ( regardless of the pomp and public declaration ) does not make a marriage.
I find it really interesting that those of you who are married and clearly love your partners do not seem keen on the idea of marriage again?
Why wouldn't you marry again? and if you would do it again would you do anything different if you did it again?
-
Aw Annie,
congratulations! Sounds like the two of you will have a perfect day.
When I was young people used to tell me that I would want to get married if I met the right man. I concluded that the right man would be a man who loved me and really wanted to marry me.
I have spent lots of years avoiding men who wanted marriage and all that goes with it.
Now I'm older though the whole thing puzzles and intrigues me? I'm not afraid of it as I once was but I do still have mixed feelings about if and am always interested in why that is.
-
Oh Breeze, your sons wives to be might have a different idea about how they want to mark possibly the most emotional and spiritual day of their lives.
I dont think that weddings need to cost the earth but I do think that they should be special and mean something to the couple involved. I have friends who think a quick registry office sesh is just the job.
For me though, such a monumental event deserves a dash of solemnity and a splash of celebration.
The great thing about modern weddings is that the couple get to do it their way, how ever that may be.
Interesting how many women that had all the conventional trappings, frock, party, guests, romance, religion etc often discourage others from doing what they did. I wonder why that is?
-
Sounds perfect Breeze.
I guess the saying that its not how big it is but what you make of it is true for weddings.
The last wedding we went to the bride confessed to me that she had exceeded their 24 k budget!
It was his second wedding but her first so perhaps they wanted to make a statement. The pressure that couples must be under to try and create a perfect day when they are investing so much money must be immense.
-
My friend got married one November, registrar office wedding with family and close friends, followed by a bonfire party. Sounds perfect to me.
-
ive bought what I think is a beautiful dress for £80, fiancé has a bought a nice suit with waistcoat, lovely flowers and and matching for his suit for £28, my ring was £49 in the sale, his is £99 in the sale. Make up girl is charging me £58. Then we went all out for just under 2k for the full package of bagpiper, videographer, photographer and vintage car so the kids have a keepsake each of what we shared privately. We will go straight back to hotel and get changed, have dinner then come home next day then off to Spain for 10 nights
-
Oh Annie I think you've nailed it!
and I bet you have enjoyed creating your perfect day without spending any more than you have to.
I do think that mature weddings are less about what you spend and more about how you spend your time.
-
Good luck with the wedding Annie, how exciting.
Sooby I said 'I do' for the second time at 46. I didn't think I'd ever want to get married again but my new husband did and surprisingly I found I wanted the same. We did the whole thing for under 5k. This included a designer wedding dress which was in the sale for £300 (if was beautiful), and the ceremony and meal at my favourite venue but for immediate family (22 of us) only. It was small and intimate and really lovely. We did have a bigger party in the evening for friends but we were able to enjoy a fantastic honeymoon as we hadn't overspent and I felt as though we got the best of all worlds. My sister spent over 20k on her wedding (it was her first time) but I thought mine was perfect x
-
Thanks Peri,
It does seem that for mature weddings then the man is often the driving force. Lots of you seem as though you wouldn't want to marry again even though you are happily married? So perhaps divorced women can take it or leave it? Or perhaps they do like the idea of a happy marriage but feel they made a mistake the first time and dont want to do the same again?
Does it make a difference to your relationship if you already co-habit? Do you feel different as a wife than as a partner. I think I would feel different but I'm not sure why?
-
Hi there.
An interesting debate.
I married the man of my dreams in 89, sadly he cheated after the birth of our son two years later....ended in divorce. I remarried in 96 having been alone in a good life, we had two more children, he after 16 years cheated on me, he wasn't a good husband or parent, so divorced in 14... Would I marry again, I am afraid not.....I have found myself so to speak, spent almost four years alone. As much as a man in my life would be nice....I would find it hard to trust enough to marry a third time.
Woodlands x
-
We keep wondering if we will feel different after we're married. We already feel married but we think we'll feel an even deeper connection once it's official. We've been through so much in the 8 years we've been together and each thing we've joined as a team and helped each other, I think they were the defining moments that this man is a keeper and looks out for me and vice versa. Sounds really corny and although we're not romantic as such we often tell each other that meeting up again was the best thing ever and we really are great friends too
And he still makes my tummy flutter when I look at him x
-
Oh woodlands,
I'm not surprised that you are happy as you are. I have had lots of very happy single years. Full of calm contentment. It sounds like you are in a good place right now and as the saying goes if it aint broke....,
Annie it's not corny at all, I'm a romantic little kipper myself which is why I find the whole marriage verses long term commitment so intriguing. I think it is different but only if both of you see it as something different, special, sacred even. If one or both of you dont buy into that then I guess it is just a piece of paper.
Lifes a funny thing but love is even stranger!
-
Dame Judi Dench has definite views on this http://www.womanandhome.com/news-and-entertainment/542751/dame-judi-dench-never-marry-david-mills
Taz x
-
I have no idea whether I would eventually remarry if DH died. Simply any other man would have a lot to live up to! He still makes my tummy flutter 40 years on.
So Annie, congratulations and here's to many more years of tummy flutters!
-
Oh lordy Taz, I should say being an octogenarian really would be too old for me! I have theory that when my face is more creased than the wedding gown it's definitely time for me to decline a marriage proposal! No matter how much tummy fluttering is still going on!
I wonder if she would feel different if he had proposed though? I'm not sure what I make of her comment "He's not going to propose, lets all just pull ourselves together and act our age" ?? Hummmn, a twinge of disappointment in there perhaps?
I guess we never know how we will respond until we are asked by someone that we really love. No matter how strong our feelings against marriage, if we can see that it means a great deal to someone who means a great deal to us then I get the impression that most of us would be swept along by the idea.
-
I can see Judi's point of view. Personally I feel I'm on the brink of looking ridiculous as a bride, but really hope I'm going to look nice, my daughter cried when I showed her me in my dress.
Fiancé accompanied me to a hospital appt a couple of years ago and the receptionist asked my marital status, I said I live with my partner (hate that word too but too old for boyfriend lol) she said "you mean you're single?" I said no I'm in a relationship and she wrote single down! That was another time he said well if we got married there'd be none of that confusion !
-
OOOOW Annie dont get me started on the whole "status" category thing!
I think its wholly inappropriate to even ask that question. Even the gyny staff only ask if you think you might be pregnant not whether you have a ring on your finger or not.
Ur fab fiance is right of course, though I really dont see why marital status is anyone elses business.
I'm sure that you will look beautiful on your big day and I'm sure that Dame Jude would too. I just never did the bride thing when I was young and beautiful so I have different slant on it I suppose.
Besides, men's bits are wrinkly enough when they are in their prime.........heaven knows what they must look like in their 80's! That image on my wedding night would send my tummy flipping in a whole other direction. lol
-
Lol I've never seen an old mans todger, either in photos or real life. Think I'll leave that to when OH gets that age !!!
-
:rofl:
-
I should think you would be wise to wait and see Annie. You cant afford to scupper your chances of a life of wedded bliss with the man of of your dreams if he catches you checking out old mens tackle. Even if it is purely in the interests or research!
I seem to have inadvertently de-railed my own thread here. No wonder I'm always the bridesmaid and never the bride. I'm too easily distracted. LOL
-
Smutty ! :lol:
-
Depends on the age Annie - what is old to a twenty year old is young to us "older" ladies... rest assured I've seen a few and not much changes. A bit of shrinkage here and there and a bit more coaxing needed.. think tortoise coming out of his shell...
Taz x ;D ;D
-
:rofl:
So much to look forward to!
I'm not going to be able to keep astraight face next time I'm presented with the tortoise lol
-
:rofl: now that's what I call a meander :lol:
Would I marry again: we have been probably too happy and I DREAD him dying. Would I stay where we live now - probably not, too many memories. Would pack up and auction most of it, sell and find somewhere with a small property and good sized garden.
It would have to be someone who would willingly cook for me every day B4 I would consider living under the same roof :whist:
I was told many years ago that by having had a good marriage it is a sign of respect to marry again ....... however, the next might not treat me 'right' and I'm SO set in my ways ::)
-
Its the poor tortoise I feel sorry for. No wonder they hide in their shells. Every time they pop out someone compares them to an old blokes todger!
I'm so glad to hear that you DREAD the though of loosing your OH CLKD. I would hope he feels the same about you.
Not something to dwell on really but probably one of the reasons why mature couples get wed. Despite living in liberated times the state of marriage seems to be the only one which is recognised when it comes to legal matters like probate and tax allowance not to mention transferring any pension entitlement.
Just because it makes sense financially dosent mean it cant still be about love though does it?
-
This is a bit of a story, so please excuse me if it seems long.
Mum met a young man through her Church. They started seeing each other, with my grandparents permission, however they were kept a sharp eye on.
At 17, they became engaged. It was 1939. He was already in the Royal Navy. They married in October 1941, she was 19.
She'd have liked a family, but he refused. Why? Because he felt that if anything happened to him, she'd be better able to remake her life if she didn't have a child. A tremendously brave decision. He came back from war, his health destroyed. Mum slowly watched the man she adored start to die, one little bit at a time. Then for most who contracted TB, it was a death sentence. It finally took him in 1947. They had been married for 6 years and had not spent too much of those years together.
In 1961, she and my Daddy married. They had 20 years and 21 days together. She told me years later a story about her wedding ring. Her first husband was at sea and told her to get her wedding ring. Her Mum went too. The shop owner who sold her the ring told her that ring would last her 2 lifetimes. When she and my Daddy were getting engaged he didn't have much money. She put a suggestion to him. Would he be comfortable if she married him with her original wedding ring. He agreed. His ring for her is beautiful. The shop owners prediction came true.
Mum told me that although she has been widowed twice, both her husbands hard been true and honest gentlemen. Very different in character, but she knew she had been fortunate in both her marriages. She had loved and been loved by two amazing men.
A week before my DH and I were to marry, we were at Mum's. To his surprise she came out with the following:
S, have you really thought about the vows you are going to make? Those are not to me, the congregation or society. They are to C and are before God. If you haven't given them serious thought, you must not marry C, because I know she has really thought about the vows.". He was able to tell her he had given them serious thought. Mum was happy about that.
We married because, for us, there was no other path we wanted to walk. The previous Sunday we invited all who would like to share our ceremony with us, please to so. When I entered the Church on the arm of a very good friend, I was astonished, the Church was full to standing room only.
Our main reception was a lovely meal. DH's sister acted as our Mistress of Ceremonies, his brother was Best Man. My bridesmaid was a friend.
The evening celebration caused some confusion to some of our friends and family. My Daddy had died in 1981. I was very close friends with a wonderful couple. Mum asked if I' like him to give me away. A lovely idea. He was as proud walking me down the aisle as he had been his own daughter. Mum has never been one for discos, so his wife did the Mother of the Bride bit in the evening.
DH's parents have been married for 58 years, they have 3 children. All 3 married. We and their daughter and SIL celebrated our 25th anniversaries last year. Their younger son and DIL celebrated their 21st anniversary this year. MIL laughed when I said to her they must have done something right!
For some, marriage is a path they don't wish to take. I believe that choice should be respected. Couples I know who choose not to marry have longer lasting and stronger relationships than some who put on very expensive shows. Their commitment to each other is beyond question.
Brighteyes
-
Thank you Brighteyes.
I'm afraid the only advice I had from Mum before my wedding was to make sure I had some tissues! :o
-
Lovely story Brighteyes. My mum and her first husband made a different choice in that, when he was being sent to Singapore in 1941, they decided to try for a baby in case he didn't come home. He was killed, at the age of 21, on Valentine's Day 1942 and my brother was born in April 1942. My mum did often wonder whether their decision was a selfish one but my brother obviously disagreed with her!
I've been married twice - both marriages (one of two years and one of forty years) had their good bits and their not so good bits. Not sure I'd do it again although my current partner would like to.
It's interesting that, if I remember rightly, in Heaven there wont be any marriages.
Ju Ju - did you have some? ;D
Taz x :)
-
We have known each other since school and got married young (no one believed it would last but humoured us and one relative was convinced I was pregnant, after all why else would we be getting married? Well the baby didn't arrive until 4 years after we got married!! Then we had 2 more, raised them as best we could on little money, bought our first little house (I loved that house), were never in debt apart from the mortgage and 7 years later bought the house we are still in now after 30 years.
Last year we had our Ruby wedding (40 years), have three beautiful grandchildren, have been through the mill at times and love each other dearly. I cannot imagine life without my lovely man but I realise one day one of us will be left. Whether it is sooner or later I would not marry another. I would be happy to meet new friends but, for me, there is only ever one man, no other could come close to what we have been to each other and still are :)
-
Oh ladies thank you for sharing your wonderful stories and examples of true love.
I'm a sucker for a happy ending and have enjoyed reading about yours.
-
I don't think I'd get in a relationship after this one though, I'd be there yonks telling them all about my body and mind changes and difficulties 😂
-
DH loves my body as it is, as I his. We've been on this journey together for many years. The wrinkles and scars are as much part of his story as mine. Would any other man see what he sees? I think if another man didn't like who I am and what I look like, it would be "on yer bike!" No, I think the granny annexe my DD threatened me with will suit me fine if DH died before me! Better than the home for the bewildered that she threatened my DH with! She also said I had better behave as she will be choosing my nursing home! Cheeky!
-
Ah JuJu,
I'm so pleased for you and your man.
We all grow old and are lucky if we grow old together. I'm hoping that you never have to consider loving another or that your DH has to either but I think women tend to expect their bodies to defy the aging process far more than men do and expect to be judged for it. I suspect lots of ladies resist romance the second time around as the idea of baring your body let alone baring your soul can make us feel self conscious and vulnerable. I'm not sure that men feel the same anxieties about getting on.
What about Dame Judi and her new love interest Ju? They must be able to see beyond the superficial of pert breasts and tight buttocks? So there is hope for all of us to find love at any age.
I guess romance amongst mature couples has the potential to be more grounded, realistic and as a result deeper and more sustainable than the basis that some younger couples build a marriage on. I'm basing that assessment on the magazines in the hairdressers and the things that I read about the stars of a show called Love island ( what ever that is ) by the way as I am too old to remember what I based my romantic decisions on first time around.....though I could guess. lol
Well....
-
Can I just say I really love Last Tango in Halifax :)
-
Annie, congratulations. That's so wonderful.
-
My Mum was told by a child psychiatrist that I would not be able to sustain an adult relationship. (Childhood depression. Seen as clinical rather a result my parenting.This was the 60s!). Mum in her 'wisdom' told me and I believed her. What a load of codwallops! However, I think it did me a favour. I was in the mindset to seek a happy single life. When DH entered my life, I liked and trusted him, but thought no further. I just wanted to enjoy myself. DH thought differently. Apparently he told his mum he had met the woman he was going to marry. It took time to get me into the right mind space. Fortunately he was patient. If he had been more insistent I would have run. I had to believe he loved me warts and all. And I knew what annoyed me about him! What I loved about him far outweighed that. I started to fall for him when he was demonstrating why he couldn't wear his tall policemans helmet in a car by going in and out of the Wendy house doorway and knocking it off. This was to my reception class of children not me! Then one night at a party and slightly tipsy I realised I loved his smiley face. Not classically handsome but quirkily gorgeous! I feel I am a better person for being around him.
-
Ju Ju that is so very moving.. How long have you been together now? :)
-
1978.
I went out with his brother for a few short dates first. He proceeded to tell me what my shortcomings were e.g. I didn't wear enough makeup, nail varnish etc. All superficial stuff. He finished with me before I had the chance to dump him! But I shall always be grateful that he introduced me to his brother. Sadly DH's brother has been hostile towards me ever since. But that's his problem.
-
1976 we married but we were at school together. We have been around each other since we were 13. I can't remember a time when he did not feature in my life.
-
Thank you Trey. It's lovely that you can honour and grieve for your first husband within your marriage. And that your husband does not feel that your love for your first husband does not threaten the love for him. Rather it has enabled you to give and receive love. We have had our ups and downs, but rode them together, thus making us stronger.
-
Juju, did your Mum think you might want to make pretty tissue swans?
Brighteyes
-
;D
This is the lady who asked me how many beds DH had in his house. I did tell her the truth. There were 4! She couldn't bring herself to ask me if we were sleeping together when I stayed with him at the weekends. By the way, I was 24 when I met DH and not living at home. And she keeps bewailing the fact that my DD hasn't got married to her partner. My answer is always the same. She's happy and it's up to her.
I wish there was a better word than partner. And what to call his parents? We call each other the out laws! Trouble is someone I know overheard me, jumped to conclusions, and started to berate me me for being disrespectful! We are all very good friends, out laws or not.
-
'significant other'? ::)
-
"My Handsome" ;)
-
just watching a programme on 4oD called I do at 92. Seems it's never too late to get wed. ;)
-
How lovely. A lot of it is about companionship probably.
-
For the oldest couple it was about companionship with morality I think. They wanted to spend as much of their precious time together in a care home and were probably of a generation which didn't feel comfortable doing that without legitimising things. Perhaps they felt judged or embarrassed?
One couple had been living together for 3 years when he proposed and I think that he just wanted to prove to himself and his previous family that he could be a good husband and get things right this time. Self forgiveness maybe? His wife to be had, had an abusive alcoholic for a husband first time round and only married him because she was pregnant. So I think she too wanted a fresh start.
They had all been married before and in one way or another had all loved and lost. I guess if you have been Mrs Something before its easier to be Mrs something again........?
Being married rather than co-habiting, clearly means something to people regardless for religious beliefs or moral judgments. I'm just still not sure what exactly it means to me or why......? Perhaps you only really understand it when you do it?
-
I *fell* literally ::)
-
I'm getting married in just over 2 weeks !
Just me and him and we'll meet the witnesses when we get there.
Why am I ? I'm nearly 51, divorced at 36 after 17 years and said I'd never remarry. Had a disastrous 7 yr relationship after that with a man I constantly refused to marry.
Then I met the guy I'd known all my life. I offered him friendship only then 2 days later told him I never want him out of my life, fortunately he thought the same and we've been together nearly 8 years. He's my bestest friend forever and my rock. He was the one mentioning marriage a few times and couple of years ago whilst away for my birthday he took me to a jewellers to buy an engagement ring, then last year he took me abroad for my 50th and said about planning a wedding. We don't need a fuss, our kids are all adults but we don't have any parents alive so want to do this alone. I want to be with him forever and make it official x
Oooh Annie, you are my sister from another mother!
I too have an ex husband, ex very bad long term relationship after, and then I married someone who I knew from my youth. We did it two years ago, only us and a minister. And we did it on our 7th year aniversary. :)
Good luck and all the best to you! Love rules! :)
jmj
-
Almost identical stories ! X
-
JMJ,
I hear stories like yours from women so often and I never tire of them!
So often we girls seem to wander in the wilderness, academically, personally, romantically or professionally. Resisting the inevitable until suddenly a light goes on and we are filled with a passion to claim what we really wanted all along.
Yours and Annie's experience reminds me of an excerpt by Caitlin Moran about her doomed love life and how she finally fell in love with her long term friend.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-2101087/My-Big-Fat-Freaky-Wedding.html
I do wish you both all the luck in the world but I have a sneaky suspicion that life and love is on your side this time and you aint gonna need it. ;)
-
We always joke if we can pitch our tent, take it down and still want to be together, we can survive anything ! X
-
Thank you Sooby,
Yes I'm pretty sure life is on my side again! :) It took "a while" but better late than never :)
-
Its never too late to be in love to want to make that final thing in any relationship marriage jmo though xxxxx
-
I remember the night that I 'fell' in love :-*
-
Me too still am IN LOVE 45 YEARS LATER TO MY BOBBLES BON BON