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[CLKD]

Neighbours had complained that owners had failed to feed dogs/cats left in a property.  RSPCA were called - now I would have removed the animals then put the tape across 


The inspector, who could see the animals alive inside the property, placed seals on the door to monitor if anyone would access ** the property over the next two days.

When no-one did, police were called to assist with the removal of the animals.

Russel later returned to the property and presented "a list of excuses" about the state of her pets, claiming she had left the tap running "24/7" and "fed them three times a day".

This seems 2 me to be about evidence gathering rather than getting abandoned animals into safety where they can be fed, checked over etc..  Surely by leaving the animals ** is exactly the same situation 

I can't find the thread about 'dog breeds' 

[Penguin]

Neighbours had complained that owners had failed to feed dogs/cats left in a property.  RSPCA were called - now I would have removed the animals then put the tape across 


The inspector, who could see the animals alive inside the property, placed seals on the door to monitor if anyone would access ** the property over the next two days.

When no-one did, police were called to assist with the removal of the animals.

Russel later returned to the property and presented "a list of excuses" about the state of her pets, claiming she had left the tap running "24/7" and "fed them three times a day".

This seems 2 me to be about evidence gathering rather than getting abandoned animals into safety where they can be fed, checked over etc..  Surely by leaving the animals ** is exactly the same situation 

I can't find the thread about 'dog breeds' 

Gosh that is awful. I agree. Perhaps they left food and then taped up?

[CLKD]

That was what DH suggested but the media didn't mention that.   . They would have to have got the Police involved in order to enter .....

[CLKD]

So microchipping at a large cost to breeders is working well then?



The animals, all female cockapoos, were found tied to a gate in the middle of a quarry off Barley Green Lane in Alrewas by a cyclist last week.

The animal charity has launched an appeal for information.

RSPCA inspector Graeme Brookes said seeing them in such a condition was heartbreaking.

"They were cold, wet, shivering and very scared and had probably been left there in the early hours," he said.
"One of them was so terrified that she couldn't walk on a lead.
"I had to carry her to my van, and while she was in my arms, she locked eyes with me and wouldn't look away. When we arrived at the vet, she wouldn't leave me."

The dogs are now being cared for at an emergency boarding facility.  All are microchipped but details are out of date"

[CLKD]

The Welfare of Dogs Bill aims to promote responsible ownership by making sure people understand the commitment required before they take on a pet.

Within 12 months the government will need to draw up a code, effectively a checklist of questions about whether the new owner has considered whether they have the time, space and money needed.

That would then inform a certificate, to be signed by the new owner and the person they are acquiring the dog from, to underline that both sides understand the commitment involved.



AND?  R all breeders to be responsible for following up each pup that they sell?  Whilst a good idea with large kennels selling lots of dogs annually it would be virtually impossible.

[SundayGirl]

A responsible breeder doesn't need a Welfare of Dogs bill. They are already doing this.

A good breeder should take some responsibility for each and every one of the pups they raise. Good breeders tend to only have one, sometimes two, breeds of dog. A really good breeder will also make sure all health checks are done and will only breed their girls once they have thoroughly researched the bloodlines of potential studs. They will also only allow their stud to breed with girls who's owners have done the same.

Some of our dogs have come from the same breeder. She showed her dogs so only had a litter when she wanted a new dog to show. She had her pick of the litter and the others were rehomed to people on her waiting list. She no longer shows, so she no longer breeds. We used to receive the odd email from her and she was thrilled when we sent photos of our furkids as they grew. And she could recognise one of "her" pups in a crowd.

.......with large kennels selling lots of dogs annually it would be virtually impossible.

This is NOT a breeder, this is a puppy farm   
They don't give a flying fig about the animals, all they care about is making money. They all need shutting down. And stringing up by the you know whats.


Getting down off my soap box now.

[CLKD]

I agree - also no contract between a breeder or buyer of pups would stand up in a Court of Law.  It's a civil matter.


Puppy farms are different to breeders selling lots of dogs.  In the 1970s friend had 2 labs; half brothers; from a breeder who also sold Boxes and Akitas  ....... they were bred when they wanted a show dog.  All kept in kennels until the pups arrived, they were brought inside to get used to hoover, washing machine, kids etc.. 

PuppyWatch in the 1980s tried to get the regional authorities and Government of the day involved with stamping out these backstreet/farm multiple breeders but the MPs simply weren't interested then and they aren't now. 

Channel 4 did a programme in the early 1990s when a bitch, registered with the KC, having apparently had 2 litters 4 weeks apart but it wasn't picked up in the paper work.   [I'm not making this very clear  ].  So many people who allow their bitch to have pups aren't registered with the LA - currently when a person has 2/more breeding bitches they should be registered and the property has to be checked by the LA.

The English KC told me that they would not register pups from my partie-coloured spaniel if she was mated with a solid dog.   However, my friend's bitch had 3 litters consecutively and each was accepted on the KC at a fiver each pup!  She had a solid black bitch and a blue roan dog.  Go figure.

They also tell potential breeders that they won't accept more than 1 litter from a dam if she is younger than 18 months, nor will they allow continual pups ....... they like 3 seasons between each litter. 

I don't need a soap box  .......

[SundayGirl]

Puppy farms are different to breeders selling lots of dogs.

There's no difference between the two. People have a picture of a puppy farm as a grotty run down barn type set up. Not always the case.

The English KC told me that they would not register pups from my partie-coloured spaniel if she was mated with a solid dog.   However, my friend's bitch had 3 litters consecutively and each was accepted on the KC at a fiver each pup!  She had a solid black bitch and a blue roan dog.  Go figure.

You sure you understood correctly? As long as the parents are the same breed, colour is irrelevant. Unless you're breeding for a particular colour of dog. The only dogs you can't register are the ones that are cross-breed. EG all the current doodles etc

They also tell potential breeders that they won't accept more than 1 litter from a dam if she is younger than 18 months, nor will they allow continual pups ....... they like 3 seasons between each litter. 

I don't need a soap box  .......

Makes perfect sense but there's always a way around these things. I nearly bought a 2 year old girl that had been retired from breeding due to health issues. The so-called breeder (who I discovered had multiple different breeds who were all kept separate in cages in an extension - not someone you'd call a 'classic' puppy farmer but that's exactly what she was) refused to hand over her KC papers as she was going to use them to register multiple litters from a different bitch. 

I feel really strongly about animal welfare.

[CLKD]

There was totally a difference from puppy farms and where my friend purchased her Labs from.  All registered with the LA and she was open and up front about the 3 breeds that she had chosen.  The Labs were lovely, well socialised etc.  I can never understand why any1 wants to have more than 1 breed ........... unless they are 'into' terriers for example.

I do know of a woman who bred what was 'popular' i.e. what ever won Best in Show at Crufts, even meeting 1 'breeder' in a lay-by to pick up a Fox Terrier.  No way of being sure that the papers were 'true' etc., I avoided her from then on.

I met with a woman who kept those Mexican hairless, 20 of them in individual cages in her front room.  I was so astounded that I didn't ask if she kept them like that all the while ........... 

So do U think that this Scottish idea is likely to be successful?  Cynic?  Moi?   . In the same way as there is no legal requirement to update microchips in dogs/cats which would be impossible to enforce?

[SundayGirl]

I think anyone who wants a particular breed of dog needs to do their homework and find a breeder who has the welfare of the dogs as their priority rather than the money they can make from selling them. Definitely don't find a dog through a Facebook ad.

Anyone wanting a dog should also make sure they can visit the breeder and have a meet and greet with the pup's mother in the home. That tells you a lot.

No, I don't think a Welfare Bill will make any difference whatsoever. And if you're cynical, then I'm with you sister 

Sounds like we've both come across the same type of "breeder" 

[CLKD]

Morning.  Yep - Puppy Farms were my grouch in the 1960s/70s.  Farmers were told to diversify and boy did they!  Hence PuppyWatch ....... mainly in Wales and the English border.

On a meander, I do think that babies should have their blood group tattooed at birth ........

[SundayGirl]

That's some meander 

[CLKD]

Yep   

I would also like it to be written in Law that 'rescue centres' contact Breed Rescue groups ........ for example there are two Caucasian Shepherd dogs - 1 is listed as a German Shepherd Cross - which would mayB benefit from being with people who understand the breed.  Every pedigree has a rescue group in the UK