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Progesterone intolerance OR not enough estrogen? Advice please!

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BlueButterfly:
Dandelion root tea (it is as awful as it sounds by the way) helps your liver to flush out excess estrogen as well. Another option to try or use alongside the milk thistle.

EnglishRose:

--- Quote from: Ladybt28 on November 27, 2018, 11:48:00 AM ---Hi Misstowers - yes my body loves sunlight and hates the winter but I have been on very high strength vitamin D 5,000iu which a doctor recommended when he told me I had fibromyalgia (which I am pretty sure I don't just I had very lax muscles due to lack of oestrogen causing the aches and pains) but to be honest it doesn't really seem to make any noticeable difference.  I wonder if the oral spray absorbs better though instead of going through the stomach?

I think your own balance will be a little harder to achieve because of your own hormones and unlike us post meno people maybe you need to vary your does of oestrogen through the month - I'm sure a pattern will emerge - like when you are jittery or when you have PMT or when you think the progesterone is causing problems.  I think I read in post a while back - sorry cant remember where or when but she upped her oestrogen to counter progesterone problems for a few days a month and then dropped it again when she wasn't on the oestrogen - she said it provided better balance and she just added what she thought her body was asking for rather than stick to a strict regime of same oestrogen dose etc every single day.  She said it helped to deal with her own fluctuating hormones - bit of a faff I know but it may be the answer to the roller coaster?

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I'm experiencing that up and down dose thing. My boobs are about to burst and I feel like I'm due to start a period so I'm getting sensitive to caffeine now and jittery from the Oestrogel... it's truly difficult to calculate when you're still having cycles .

I tried the progesterone Tablets, just 1 the next day I was terrible crying and depressed and I've been applying cyclogest (Progesterone passaries) for years with no issues...

But I can't say for sure whether it was the Progesterone Tablet or just coincidence bc I'm all over the place since 7 weeks ago,,,

It's a bit of a lottery I'm afraid x

sheila99:
Keeping a diary is a good idea, as well as noting if your cycle is a 'normal' cycle or a non-ovulating one. I'm in peri & on utro for 12 days. On an ovulating cycle the prog is too much, I suffer fatigue and low mood. On a non-ovulating cycle there are no symptoms.

Misstowers:
Hi Sheila99, Thanks for your comments,  can you explain a bit more what you mean by ovulating cycle and non-ovulating cycle? Do you mean non-ovulating as in the pill? I am considering switching back to the pill, it wasn't ideal and if anything I ended up feeling numb on it, and still had night sweats, disrupted sleep, brain fog, zero libido....but that might be better than this....

Roseenglish, sorry to hear youre on this shitty rollercoaster too, it does sounds like the prog is affecting you - I'm now convinced that the utrogeston/prog is not the culprit for me, as I haven't taken it since 12th nov and I feel worse - severely low mood, I had to come home from work today as I kept on bursting into tears. Unless it's my own natural progesterone that has me depressed...? But, As others have said, if I were prog intolerant I would have had issues in the past, pre peri-meno. I used to have bad periods when I was in my teens, heavy and painful cramps, but only for a few days and it seemed to improve after having kids, been on the pill for most of my adult life, without issues... so I'm thinking it's not a question of too much prog or a reaction to utrogeston for me.

I've been in this particular hole for a week now. I had two good days at the start of last week, (when I'm sure I was ovulating) then whack! So that's pretty much 2 good days the whole of this month and getting deeper. This really sucks! I just want to feel normal again, I have everything I could ever want, a loving husband, 4 great kids, a good job, a lovely home... and yet i feel so down and can't shake it off. I feel like a real loser :(

Bluebuterfly - I'll try that tea thank you x

sheila99:
If you weren't on HRT an ovulating cycle would be a normal one where you release the egg then bleed a couple of weeks later. A non-ovulating one is where if you weren't on HRT you would miss a bleed, but because you're on HRT you still have one. I can tell because on a normal cycle as I approach the bleed my breasts become sore & lumpy, short tempered, bloated, loose stools. On HRT on a non-ovulating cycle breasts are a little sore but that's the only sign. It's difficult in peri because your own body is producing.
 Not been on the pill much so don't know much about it but if you have meno symptoms on it I think you'd have to conclude you don't have enough oestrogen.
 

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