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[GypsyRoseLee]

I jus feel like crying. I finished my Utrogestan a week ago and I was really looking forward to the 'patch only' part of my cycle.

Well I am on day 6 of just wearing a patch and I have just felt worse. Had awful insomnia Sunday night. And last night it happened again. 2 nights in 3 days. This has never happened before. I feel wretched.

I thought oestrogen was meant to help you sleep and to make you feel better?

At my wit's end with this.

[LizeeeH]

Hi

I haven't had a decent night sleep for years!

Going through a nasty divorce, running my own business and all of this really has taken its toll
One day I think it will all be back to normal........yeah right! Im not on HRT....just a personal preference....but I know the work load and stress over the years haven't helped me

Liz xx

[toffeecushion]

I'm not on HRT but do go through stages where I can't sleep for days at a time.  Just rest as much as you can and try to eat properly.  You will sleep when your body needs to, try not to worry.

[Spangles]

I really sympathise with you, I had a terrible night last night. I must say though in general I tend to sleep better when I'm on the Utrogestan, (hope I've not just jinxed myself)!
Try to pinch a little nap when ever you can.
xXx

[dazned]

It could be the " comedown" after finishing the progesterone maybe ! 
A few days after progesterone stops bleed starts so it could be slight pmt symptoms you are experiencing. As others have said keep hydration up and rest when you can.x

[GypsyRoseLee]

Thanks everyone. I felt great on the Utro and my sleep was really good.

Feel physically very drained and shaky today. Will try to drink but am at work so can't rest really.

I assumed that it would be the oestrogen that helped me sleep?

Have finished my bleed now, so could I still be 'coming down' off the Utro, as I haven't taken it for 6 days now.

[dazned]

Its usually the utrogestron that makels people sleepy,progesterone supposed to be the calming hormone.

[GypsyRoseLee]

That's news to me! I thought oestrogen was meant to make you feel calmer and happier and your mood more stable?

Was effect is oestrogen meant to have then? Just on the Estradot 25mg patch I feel jittery and wired and not in a nice way.

[Tealady12]

Hi GypsyRose Lee and Ladies

So sorry to hear you are struggling to sleep, it seems there are so many of us suffering like this, what with the anxiety, mood swings, flushes and so on and on and on...
I also had a rubbish sleep last night, infact over the last few nights.. It is such a horrible feeling, so sending much sympathy. As Sparkle says it then doesn't help at all with the anxiety. I had my oestrogen patch increased to 75mg last week and now wonder if it's too much, my anxiety has been worse and I too have felt jittery, my heart thumping like the clappers.  I now have no clue as to what's going on..my own hormones must be doing their own thing along side the HRT - I now have the Mirena for the progesterone part as I couldn't tolerate the 12 day cycle of Utrogestan - I got really down, tearful and low. I have no idea really what to do - last week the meno clinic were nice but seemed reluctant to make a correlation between my anxiety and ovarian decline...whaaaaat?? Am just completely at a loss now, as the other ladies suggest I just try to be kind to myself and to just get through an hour at a time if need be....Sorry GypsyRoseLee, not a lot of help but am sending much empathy and hugs to all. Took a BBlocker today  - it's helped a bit and will get the Kalms out tonight to see if they help.
Best Wishes for a better night for all
Tealady xxx

[CLKD]

Lack of sleep can be debilitating.  It's used as a torture method for a reason   

[Kathleen]

Hello GypsyRoseLee.

So sorry that you are suffering.
I am on 50 mcg patches and although my sleep is okay I find I am a nervous wreck during the day! Like many ladies and perhaps some professionals too, I am confused as to which hormone is supposed to make us feel calmer ( if I knew I'd take it by the bucket load!).
Sorry I don't have any answers but you have my sympathy and you are not alone.

Take care.

K.

[GypsyRoseLee]

Everyone is so kind, thank you 

I'm still so shocked at how badly I can sleep nowadays. I used to be a really good sleeper.

Sparkle - yes, not sleeping just seems to ramp up my anxiety ten fold. Then you start of vicious cycle of getting anxious about not sleeping etc.

Feel headachy and my hands feel cold all the time today. It's because I feel so tired.

But the really weird thing (among so many weird things) is that my mood isn't as low and frankly despairing as it normally is after a night of insomnia? Yes, I feel drained and my head aches but inside I don't feel as desperate and anxious as I have felt in the past?

Maybe this is a tiny sign that the HRT is starting to take hold? Or am I just clutching at straws  It's only been 3 weeks on HRT for me, but have read plenty of posts from ladies who say their sleep/mood improved a lot within a week. This scares me a bit as I'm so worried that maybe HRT won't 'cure' my symptoms.

[CLKD]

We do get analytical too  ………

I didn't sleep well for years.  Busy responsible job, parental history niggling - until 1 night in 1979/80, I thought 'well not sleeping well hasn't killed me yet' and from then on, apart from a few nights a year, I've slept much better.  The nights I don't sleep straight away or wake earlier than I would like, I read, play music, make a cuppa ……. it leaves me feeling tired but usually I am able to function.

It's the racing brain that gets to me, things I can't tackle in the early hours but by morning, I've forgotten what I ought to be doing 

[pepperminty]

Hi GypsyRoselee,

I really know what you are going through. The progesterone can have a sedative effect. I thought I may be allergic or intolerant to it because of my experience last year. But this time around on a different HRT I was ok on the combined part so far !! ( with progesterone ) but once I had finished it within 2 days of taking oestrogen only I was an exhausted emotional ,confused wreck.
 The menopause nurse specialist said I am not 'allergic or intolerant to progesterone because my symptoms started after I finished it and at the start of the new pack. I didn't sleep as I was hot etc. Apparently it is your hormones kicking in and PMT. Like you I thought that I would feel good on only oestrogen, but apparently some ladies react strongly to the sequential HRT and fair better on the combined because it is a continuous dose.
Anyway I didn't feel better until day 6/7 on the oestrogen only bit. I was at my wits end too and nearly stopped taking it . Hopefully your ( and my!!) hormones will eventually adjust and even out. Although I get the feeling that I may have to suffer PMT every month . I am wondering if I need a higher dose of oestrogen, to give me a boost. Who knows??
It's so frustrating when you dip so badly. Sometimes just knowing you are going to have a rough couple of days can help as it's not such a shock when it comes . Stick with it and see how long it lasts and when on the regime it happens and if its regular you can at least be prepared. I felt nauseous this morning on second week of new pack and  knackered this afternoon. But at least I can think on HRT which I couldn't before I was taking it. You need to just do the minimum and forget anything else . Look after yourself. You will feel better soon .I had insomnia before HRT , so it may be just a blip.
Keep us informed .
Peppermintyxx

[GypsyRoseLee]

Tealady - it's awful isn't it.

I'm wondering if my Estradot 25mg isn't enough, but then there's you feeling like you're on too much at 75mg.

I blame myself a lot because I sort of convinced myself that wearing an oestrogen patch would have magical properties and within a few days I would feel 100% normal again. Stupid of me, really. But still so crushingly disappointing.

Bizarrely I really enjoyed the last 7 days of my Utro phase. Slept really well and mood much better and stable. And I'd been TERRIFIED about taking it. Seems like it's the Estradot only phase which I need to be terrified of instead.

Like you though I think my own hormones must also be doing their own stuff. Before HRT for the last few months I felt very low and anxious during my period and for a few days afterwards. Which would correlate to me starting to feel bad again when my bleed started on Saturday.

Lots of hugs to you x