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Rivadan

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Re: Utrogestan
« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2011, 03:50:53 PM »

Further to my last post, having re-read the information on Utro 200 on the EMC website, it says "200mgs at bedtime for 12 days - withdrawal bleeding may occur in the following week". So, it seems you may not necessarily have a bleed every month if only on a low dose of oestrogen.

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Hurdity

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Re: Utrogestan
« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2011, 03:57:02 PM »

Hi Rivadan
That was the same for me towards the end of using Cyclogest - similar natural prog (pessaries). I was on the Estradot 50 patch and using Cyclogest for 11 days per month. My bleeds stopped (even though the migraines didn't!). As I reported the first two monthly cycle using Utro as the prog (12 days) I did get a bleed.
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Rivadan

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Re: Utrogestan
« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2011, 04:10:32 PM »

Did you say you were using Utro 200 mg vaginally Hurdity?

I will see what happens in February. If I don't get a bleed then, I will see my GP and maybe get it checked out.

All things considered bi-monthly is looking like it might be the best option for me though.
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Hurdity

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Re: Utrogestan
« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2011, 04:21:36 PM »

Yes Rivadan - the very same! I decided to stick to the same dose vaginally for 2 months, that others use orally for 1 month cyclically - because a longer cycle needs a stronger prog  - even though more gets through when used vaginally, if you see what I mean!
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coffee mate

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Re: Utrogestan
« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2011, 01:59:29 PM »

Can I just ask a question about Utro. As I have said before my GP gives me sort of "carte blanc" regarding my HRT.
He has let me try Utro 100mg.  he has left the *hows and whens* to me, I'm not too sure if I should be taking it every night or could I get away with taking it for only 2 weeks of the month?
I've only taken two so far and I haven't had any negative reactions with it, though I know it is still too early to tell, I am still keeping my fingers crossed. Because with Provera, I only took one 2.5mg and the next day, I seemed to be worse than ever! [talking about mood swings],  and it lasted for at least 3 days!
BTW for those who don't know, I'm also using Evorel 50 patches.   

cm xx
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Hurdity

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Re: Utrogestan
« Reply #50 on: December 20, 2011, 02:33:30 PM »

Hi cm

Was trying to find your posts to remind me if you were supposed to be on conti (but couldn't find as would take too long!) and noticed you have been registered on here 1 year today so happy MM anniversary   ;D

Bascially I would ask - has the doc prescribed you for conti HRT? It is a bit irresponsible of him to leave it completely to you! If he has prescribed 100 mg then that is the official dose for continuous use (Days 1 - 25).  You will see from the discussion that some have been prescribed variations of this but under medical supervision.

If you took it for only 2 weeks of the month then you would be on a cycle again and may expect a bleed after withdrawal of the Utro. The normal dose for cyclical use is 200 mg taken orally for 12 days per month.

So I would say 100 mg orally 2 weeks per month may not be enough to oppose the endometrial build up - unless as I said you are especially prog intolerant and your specialist may is monitoring you. There may not be much build up if you are post-meno and only on 50 mcg oestrogen but there could still be some risk here.

Therefore I would take it (ie 100 mg) from Days 1 - 25 initially as per the instructions or until we have it confirmed that it is OK to be completely continuous.

I expect the others who have been prescribed differently will be along to say what they use as I can't remember each person - but I think it is minor tweaking of the conti dose, or a shorter cycle for the cyclical one.

Really pleased if the utro seems to be agreeing with you so far! Long may it last  :)

Hurdity x  :)

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Bette

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Re: Utrogestan
« Reply #51 on: December 20, 2011, 02:58:29 PM »

If it's suiting you, I'd stick to the prescribed regime - why not?  :yes:
Bette x
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coffee mate

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Re: Utrogestan
« Reply #52 on: December 20, 2011, 03:07:43 PM »

Thanks again Hurdity. I can't believe it's one year today since I joined MM. WOW! how time flies when you're having fun!. Lol

Yes I am post meno. TBH he did ask me if I wanted 200mg or 100mg, of course I opted for 100mg.
 
I think because no matter what he says to try and deter me from taking HRT, I always come back with some kind of statement that I've read on here. So I think the poor man is at his Witt's end with me. Lol
I don't mind taking it for 25 days especially if it agrees with me. I just live in hope that one day I'll see some evidence that post menopausal women do not need any progesterone. Until then I'm looking for ways where I can at least, take as little as possible.

Thanks again for all the advise. [I'm sure it wont be long before I'm needing it again  ::)]
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Rivadan

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Re: Utrogestan
« Reply #53 on: January 05, 2012, 07:58:00 PM »

I'm 5 days into my second round of 200mgs Utro and feeling horribly sleepy again. I was intending to go bi-monthly but then I thought I may as well give it another go and see if I felt any better this time.

The first two days I tried using it vaginally but I had horrible cramps. To be honest it just feels like way too much progesterone.  I don't think this is going to be the thing for me. I have to consider what will happen during the hayfever season when I'm dosed up with antihistamine too - I will be comatose!

Back to the drawing board.
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Hurdity

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Re: Utrogestan
« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2012, 08:57:26 PM »

Hi Rivadan

Sorry to hear that Utrogestan is making you so tired - but I think that is one of the side effects.

I can't remember what oestrogen you use and can't find on the thread - are you taking tablets? Apols for forgetting - Christmas has happened since we last spoke on here!!!

Coincidentally I have also just started my second course of Utro (vaginally) - the first was November - if you remember I am trying out a two-monthly regime. Interestingly I do not feel anywhere near as tired as last time - and did not have that head not wanting to leave the pillow feeling first thing in the morning for the first few days. In fact at the moment I hardly notice it - I feel bloated in the lower abdomen and have to undo my trousers in the evening but that's no big deal (maybe too much choc and alcohol over Xmas!!). Also feel pressure on the bladder which makes me more in the night than when on oestro (but on more than twice - usually only once) - but again that's no big deal either.

The difference since the first time is that I am now on Orthogynest for VA - started in Dec, and what I think is that this has plumped up the nether regions so that less progesterone is absorbed systemically - therefore there is less in my body. If that's the case this is fantastic.

The other thing Rivadan is that you are still doing monthly and maybe some prog has remained in your system after only a fortnight off, so you maybe feeling the effects more? After 6 weeks I think mine (stored prog) has probably disappeared.

Re way too much prog - some of the meno specialists only prescribe 100 mg for vaginal use because so much more is absorbed directly to where it is needed via this route. Are you able to find someone (meno-clinic?) who could prescribe this for you and try it again vaginally to see if you still get cramps using this?

Hope things improve for you.

Sorry have no idea how any of the HRT preparations mix with anti-histamines....

Hurdity x  :) Also have to use the only smiley left with a santa hat on as it is the 12th day of Christmas today - now is 12th night!!! :-\  :-\ :-\
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coffee mate

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Re: Utrogestan
« Reply #55 on: January 06, 2012, 05:43:12 AM »

Hi Rivadan I'm using Utrogestan, but I've chosen to use 100mg for 25 days out of 28 days and find [fingers crossed] that although I do sleep much better, I'm not as tired during the day, now that my system is more used to it.
I have had the odd bleed, but compared to how I felt on other progesterones that is nothing.

I do hope you find a *system* that is right for you. I do know how bloody awful it is when you're struggling to find some sort of combination that suits us.
cm xx
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Bette

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Re: Utrogestan
« Reply #56 on: January 06, 2012, 08:40:41 AM »

Rivadan - wouldn't it be worth trying the 100mg dose and seeing how long you can take it without getting too many unpleasant side effects? It may be wishful thinking but maybe half the strength wouldn't affect you so much and you might even be able to tolerate the full 25 days.  :-\
Bette x
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Rivadan

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Re: Utrogestan
« Reply #57 on: January 06, 2012, 08:59:52 AM »

Yes, I think I'm going to have a total break from it all for a couple of months (which is probably about as long as I'll be able to stand the hot flushes!) and then review the situation.

Its become very obvious to me  that prog in any form just doesn't suit me - headaches, backache, tummy cramps all appear in varying degrees of discomfort whenever I take it - plus the hair shedding (which was my main reason for trying Utro over the synthetics).

I really can't stand the foggy headed feeling Utro gives me. I also have an added issue which is that I periodically have to take antihistamines which also make me feel tired, and the two combined would be a killer!

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Night_Owl

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Re: Utrogestan
« Reply #58 on: January 06, 2012, 11:35:51 AM »

"It's become very obvious to me that prog in any form just doesn't suit me"

Oh Rivadan, sounds like you're at the same stage as me.  Sorry to hear that the Utro doesn't suit.

Utro use 100 or 200 oral or vag, sequi or conti also turns me into a zombie - literally I can't get out of bed.  Plus other awful side effects, including migraine. 

Been through the spectrum of progesterones (synthetic and natural) HRTs.  Even if I start off feeling 'sort of bearable' on a particular prog, within a few months the continued, cumulative effect sets in and I can't tolerate it any longer.  So I try another, ditto.  Each time, it's back to square one.

Utro is supposedly less androgenic but by day 5, I still experienced tingling scalp (telegon effluvium) and shedding.

At each visit to the meno clinic prog intolerance is discussed in depth.  Now the only suggested 'way forward' is a hyster in order to be able to take estro only - but I'm struggling to accept this drastic step.

Sorry not to be more encouraging - just sharing experience to relate, for information purposes.

There is also the option, suggested by meno clinic, of Utro 100 vag, alternate nights, conti, no break, could be worth a try.

Can only imagine Utro + anti-histamine combo would be total knock-out.  Have taken anti-h in the past (pre-meno) and even the non-drowsy ones pack a punch.

Please let us know what you decide as your next step after a few months off.  Are you able to get a meno clinic referral for some specialist advice?

Night_Owl
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Rivadan

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Re: Utrogestan
« Reply #59 on: January 06, 2012, 01:03:41 PM »

Hi Night Owl

I'm not sure we have a meno clinic in our area but will mention it next time I visit my GP. Hysterectomy does sound very drastic and I think I would also have difficulty getting my head round that idea --- but I'll tell you if I feel the same in a few months time!

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